Pokemon Umbral Discussion 30: Less and Less About Pokemon Each Day

[Menarker]

Can I just mention one thing wrong with the plan?

Milsha is PIERCE'S enforcer, not Impact's. Kurika is the one that would end up being switched out.

Also, I didn't know that we could have Lexhur attack more than once, provided that he had enough rage. In that case, I opt we not attack this turn, In case even more reinforcement comes. Then we can use Grill Gore on one target that we can't or don't want to deal with, and knock it away for two turns, while using the Laser on the same turn.

>_> Can we use Helping Hand on Lexhur's Laser?

[Geminex]

What does this mean? I think you're saying that pokemon go rogue when their masters are attacked after they've been knocked out, but that's retarded.

Hey...
Hey, Drac.
Remember when going rogue was first mentioned? Lemme refresh your memory. In the very, very early days, before Impact intended any world domination at all, I asked a little question. Something along the lines of "what happens if I attack trainers?". AB's answer was "Their pokemon go rogue".
Going rogue is designed to make sure people don't cheat by attacking trainers instead of their pokemon. It's less of a "pokemon will prevent your attacks" and more of a "if you kill them, their pokemon will kill you so hard, you wouldn't believe it".

So yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. In mission 1, Rayleen got wounded badly enough that she lost control over her pokemon. That's what "going rogue" means, you're aware of that, right? The pokemon's master is sufficiently badly wounded that they lose control over their pokemon, they're no longer their master.
And I don't think "really close to death" can come from just being reduced to zero HP.

Anyway, this discussion is stupid. Just like you. Let's ask AB.

Hey, AB, how is going Rogue handeled? Under what circumstances will trainers' pokemon go rogue? Will battle masters' (and other classes') pokemon go rogue as soon as their masters reach zero HP, if their masters are actively fighting?
And how should we treat being at zero HP? Utter unconciousness? Or can our characters at least still talk, move slightly, edge-of-conciousness kind of thing?

Um. Lexhur's Rage was at 400 last turn. When this turn starts, it'll be at 500. If we have him spend 100 RPs this turn, he'll still be at 500 RPs at the start of next turn.

Nope. I calculated, unless he started battle with 200, he'll be at 400 at the start of this turn.

Oh, and Bard is now Official Insulter of my empire.

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Geminex

And I don't think "really close to death" can come from just being reduced to zero HP.

So does that mean we haven't killed anyone ever?

Because I don't think that's quite appropriate. Not that Pierce would mind, but I'm pretty sure Impact and Charlotte and maybe Matthias would've killed their KOs so far.

Because, see, if you can't bring someone close to death by reducing them to zero HP then you certainly haven't killed them. Unless you're suggesting that "zero HP =/= near-death" only applies to us good guys, which is ridiculous. It's simply not plausible that we can get by only seriously wounded but otherwise very much alive while leaving only the bloodied, burned and beaten corpses of our enemies? These people are supposed to be trying their damnedest to kill us, even moreso than we are them.

So for everyone, zero HP should mean either dead or really close to it.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Anyway, this discussion is stupid. Just like you.

No, you!!!

Yeah, I can't really let this go without getting in the last word.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Hey, AB, how is going Rogue handeled? Under what circumstances will trainers' pokemon go rogue? Will battle masters' (and other classes') pokemon go rogue as soon as their masters reach zero HP, if their masters are actively fighting?
And how should we treat being at zero HP? Utter unconciousness? Or can our characters at least still talk, move slightly, edge-of-conciousness kind of thing?

See, you're making that last part sound like a request, rather than a question. Meaning AB will be inclined to put it the way you want it to be.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Nope. I calculated, unless he started battle with 200, he'll be at 400 at the start of this turn.

Ssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

[Astral Harmony]

Almighty is the new word for no-type. It comes from the Shin Megami Tensei series, where Almighty has no resistances, no strengths, no status, and can't be guarded by any kind of special defense.

Plasmaburn should heal automatically on the third turn switched out.

Yes, Harliette will be protected from negative status due to Rachel's ability.

Rogue Pokemon fight based on a pathetic little strategy: 100% buff on the first turn, 50% on second turn, attack moves on third turn or on first if no buff moves are available. When suffering from status effects or low HP, they will use moves to cure and heal up. If those don't exist, they simply fight until death. A Pokemon that is already defeated before going rogue will simply die at the end of the turn in which it does go rogue, no moves made or nothin'.

You should know the circumstances of Pokemon going rogue. If I say that trainer is defeated, doesn't matter who they are, those Pokemon go rogue.

Defeated characters aren't necessarily dead, they just can't continue the fight. This is usually do to severe weakness, exhausted muscles, too much blood loss, wounds that need serious medical attention, unconsciousness, being a douchebag, having an allergy to fanservice (I'm keeping the fanservice regardless), chronic bowel voiding, psychological trauma, low resale value on your home, and erectile dysfunction.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Its not a big deal guys, just chill out. Like, logically, I think Impact should be out-cold, but if Gem insist on him giving orders than I guess he can. Although I imagine that they would be so strained and struggled that we wouldn't hear them.

I'd insult your intelligence, but words fail me. Hey, Bard, cover for me?

Ummm, Uhhh.... Er.....

Boy, did you eat a bowl of stupid for breakfast?

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by BardTheFifthLightWarrior

Although I imagine that they would be so strained and struggled that we wouldn't hear them.

AUGH Goddamnit I am deeply ashamed that I didn't think of this before Christ dammit.

Nothing could possibly make me feel worse than I do right now.

Originally Posted by BardTheFifthLightWarrior

Boy, did you eat a bowl of stupid for breakfast?

... Dude way to kick a guy while he's down.

[Astral Harmony]

Originally Posted by BardTheFifthLightWarrior

Ummm, Uhhh.... Er.....

Boy, did you eat a bowl of stupid for breakfast?

Wow...I nearly fell out of the chair from that. *writes that one down*

Congratulations, Bard. You just edited about 40% of all dialogue in Pokemon Umbral.

Burkmont: "This failure to accomplish your mission is uncharacteristic of you, Major Grant. Care to enlighten me as to why?"
Grant: "My apologies, General. I must have eaten a bowl of stupid for breakfast."
Burkmont: "Whatever. Get back out there and take down PATCA for good, you silly doodle!"

- Pokemon Umbral: Sometimes the PCs Write the Best Dialogue

Here's how we'll work it for Cerulean Oil and Plasma Burn:

You'll need to do two washings for a Slayer or Pokebrid and one washing for any Pokemon to clear Oil. The remove Plasmaburn, you'll need to cure burn status twice. It doesn't downgrade to a burn on a first status cure, it stays there until you cure it twice and then goes away completely. Regardless, Oil and Plasmaburn do not go away upon being switched out or defeated and then revived.

No, you can't use Helping Hand on Lexhur's Laser. Nor should you even need to. Lexhur's Laser packs enough pwnage on its own.

[Dracorion]

AB, this has been asked before and I don't remember you answering, but what does it mean when it says "Almighty type damage" in Lexhur's laser description?

To play around with Geminex's plan in light of AB's revelations:

Menarker: Magnezone and Swampert both use water moves on Harliette to extinguish her.
Matt: Keep on hyper beamin'. Also, he can use an item, right? If so, use a full restore (I'm sure you brought at least one) on Harliette.
Impact: Switch with Kurika for a round. Kurika to use her Nerve Strike on Wildfire. If we keep Impact out for two turns, will that heal Plasmaburn? Or if we only keep him out for one turn, does that count as one heal out of two to clear Plasmaburn?
Charlotte: Pike to use Thunder on Wildfire, use a Rage Rocket on Rachel (I'm assuming Charlotte would have one, only problem is convincing her to help someone else). Trainer attack on Wildfire.
Rachel: Pretty sure Synch-techs take an action, so... Full Restore on Harliette to cure Plasmaburn, then Pokeshift to Magnezone, Paradigm Shift and Magnet Crush. Harliette should be rendered immune to Plasmaburn for three turns thanks to Rachel's ability, right?
Moon: Both, Starmie and Fathom use surf on Wildfire and the Wall, and hit each other with their Friendly attack.
Harliette: Repeat what she did last turn. Focused Earthquake, helping hand, Aqua Shot
Wilhelmina: Put two dark rounds into wildfire
Pierce: Thunder from Aria, Hydro Pump from Kingdra
Lexhur: Recoilless Cannons twice.

That's so we can get to use Magnet Crush this turn. Impact would have to stay down, of course, but then he might be more valuable than Harliette, leadership not withstanding. We could have Rachel revive him right away, then he and Matthias can use Full Restores on him.

Or, if we don't have Rachel use Magnet Crush this turn, we could heal Impact and Harliette right away.

[Menarker]

Originally Posted by BardTheFifthLightWarrior

Ummm, Uhhh.... Er.....

Boy, did you eat a bowl of stupid for breakfast?

>_> Did you direct that toward Drac or Gem? =P

[Bard The 5th LW]

Its really open to interpretation. I imagined that Gem would think it towards Drac and vice-versa.