Milk raids? Seriously? - Page 5

Jagos · 08-08-2011, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TDK

I call shenanigans.

There's a reason most places moved to having all calorie info online now. The physical materials for all of the paper can be pretty expensive.

Aerozord · 08-08-2011, 12:36 PM

point is this doesn't apply to this case. Someone already posted the cost, 100 dollars a year, which is freakin cheap. Thats like the cost of my cars license plates. As for cost of actually regulating it. If you cannot afford to make sure your food isn't tainted, you shouldn't be in business.

I also want to change something I said earlier. These customers won't suffer because they are stupid, but because they are naive and I dont believe in punishing someone for being trusting if I can help it.

Reason is simple, you talk about warnings and waivers, but in practice the American consumer assumes the food and drink they receive are safe for human consumption. While intentionally or not these people are spewing misinformation about it being natural. It is true, but people confuse natural with healthier. Most natural methods aren't used specifically because they are unsafe and/or ineffective

You shouldn't punish the customer for believing what they are told, you should punish the salesman for not giving a crap about his customers health and well being just so he can make some extra cash.

Immoral business practices aren't limited to big corporations, you can get people just as underhanded at your local small business

BitVyper · 08-08-2011, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jagos

There's a reason most places moved to having all calorie info online now. The physical materials for all of the paper can be pretty expensive.

http://www.louisvilleky.gov/HealthyH...nuLabeling.htm

Important part:

"Federal grant funds are available locally to help small businesses (restaurants with fewer than 20 locations) and caterers to become a Healthy Hometown Restaurant and implement menu labeling.
Approximately $500,000...."

Note that this is the only place I could actually find the number 500000 in association with the cost of calorie labels. They don't CHARGE you that much for it, they offer grants up to that amount.

Professor Smarmiarty · 08-08-2011, 01:03 PM

Let's assume you want to print A4 glossy posters of calorie information. I can get those done for 10 c a sheet, a person making large orders could get it far cheaper.
But let's say 10c. $500,000 will get you 5 million sheets. Even assuming every customer took one of these and wrecked it so it couldn't be reused you've served 5 million people. What kind of ridiculous margins are you operating on that the extra 10c per customer is going to wreck you.
Also if you got 50 employees you aren't a mom and pop place, you are a reasonable sized business with a decent turnover.

And if youc an't make a profit without killing your customers you don't deserve to be in business and you should be shut down.

E: Didn't see Bitypers post making my analysis of the $500,000 pointless.

BitVyper · 08-08-2011, 01:08 PM

I'm pretty sure the majority of the cost is in actually getting the food analyzed, but not only is the government giving you a grant for that (unless you're already extremely successful enough to have twenty restaurants), they're giving you a grant to pay for local chefs (supporting local economies? COMMUNIST!) to help you reformulate your recipes. They are literally giving you money to make your food better.

I can see now how REGULATIONS destroy small businesses.

Edit: The government website seems to suggest that menu labelling is entirely voluntary.

Professor Smarmiarty · 08-08-2011, 01:14 PM

I'm trained in analytical chemisty. Are you telling me I can earning 100000s analysing food for restaurants? Cause fuck that is totally what I should be doing.

BitVyper · 08-08-2011, 01:18 PM

Either that or selling menus.

Professor Smarmiarty · 08-08-2011, 01:34 PM

Maybe small business forecloser.

BitVyper · 08-08-2011, 01:42 PM

Do all three, then grow a Snidely Whiplashi moustache and twirl it as you foreclose on business owners who paid you for menus and food analysis.

Voyager · 08-08-2011, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

I'm trained in analytical chemisty. Are you telling me I can earning 100000s analysing food for restaurants? Cause fuck that is totally what I should be doing.

Eh. It's been a while since I read the article, so I've probably garbled the number. That said, I've yet to see a government compliance anything take less than a month of work to drive through. Granted, I'm in a different industry, but I've yet to see any bureaucracy that was quick about things.

It's not the analysis itself that costs money, rather it is having a dozen people in meetings for a month convincing the government that the analysis is valid that costs the big bucks. And it doesn't matter whether you have a production unit of one, or one thousand, the meetings still cost the same.

That the real point I'm trying to make: most compliance costs have tremendous economies of scale. One compliance can often be applied to many units, so a business that has many units, be it franchises, or production run can spread the cost out, whereas a business that has few units still pays similar compliance costs, but has to spread that cost over fewer units, be it franchises, or a run of production. As such regulations can be used to produce artificial economies of scale, even in an industry that would otherwise trend towards a more distributed layout.

08-08-2011, 12:36 PM	#42
Aerozord So we are clear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Former murder capital of the world Posts: 13,824	point is this doesn't apply to this case. Someone already posted the cost, 100 dollars a year, which is freakin cheap. Thats like the cost of my cars license plates. As for cost of actually regulating it. If you cannot afford to make sure your food isn't tainted, you shouldn't be in business. I also want to change something I said earlier. These customers won't suffer because they are stupid, but because they are naive and I dont believe in punishing someone for being trusting if I can help it. Reason is simple, you talk about warnings and waivers, but in practice the American consumer assumes the food and drink they receive are safe for human consumption. While intentionally or not these people are spewing misinformation about it being natural. It is true, but people confuse natural with healthier. Most natural methods aren't used specifically because they are unsafe and/or ineffective You shouldn't punish the customer for believing what they are told, you should punish the salesman for not giving a crap about his customers health and well being just so he can make some extra cash. Immoral business practices aren't limited to big corporations, you can get people just as underhanded at your local small business __________________ "don't hate me for being a heterosexual white guy disparaging slacktivism, hate me for all those murders I've done."

08-08-2011, 01:03 PM	#44
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	Let's assume you want to print A4 glossy posters of calorie information. I can get those done for 10 c a sheet, a person making large orders could get it far cheaper. But let's say 10c. $500,000 will get you 5 million sheets. Even assuming every customer took one of these and wrecked it so it couldn't be reused you've served 5 million people. What kind of ridiculous margins are you operating on that the extra 10c per customer is going to wreck you. Also if you got 50 employees you aren't a mom and pop place, you are a reasonable sized business with a decent turnover. And if youc an't make a profit without killing your customers you don't deserve to be in business and you should be shut down. E: Didn't see Bitypers post making my analysis of the $500,000 pointless. Last edited by Professor Smarmiarty; 08-08-2011 at 01:08 PM.

08-08-2011, 01:08 PM	#45
BitVyper History's Strongest Dilettante Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Arcadia Posts: 6,662	I'm pretty sure the majority of the cost is in actually getting the food analyzed, but not only is the government giving you a grant for that (unless you're already extremely successful enough to have twenty restaurants), they're giving you a grant to pay for local chefs (supporting local economies? COMMUNIST!) to help you reformulate your recipes. They are literally giving you money to make your food better. I can see now how REGULATIONS destroy small businesses. Edit: The government website seems to suggest that menu labelling is entirely voluntary. __________________ "There are worlds out there where the sky is burning, and the sea is asleep, and the rivers dream. People made of smoke and cities made of song. Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, somewhere else the tea's getting cold. Come on, Ace; we've got work to do!" Awesome art be here. Last edited by BitVyper; 08-08-2011 at 01:10 PM.

08-08-2011, 01:18 PM	#47
BitVyper History's Strongest Dilettante Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Arcadia Posts: 6,662	Either that or selling menus. __________________ "There are worlds out there where the sky is burning, and the sea is asleep, and the rivers dream. People made of smoke and cities made of song. Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, somewhere else the tea's getting cold. Come on, Ace; we've got work to do!" Awesome art be here.

08-08-2011, 01:42 PM	#49
BitVyper History's Strongest Dilettante Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Arcadia Posts: 6,662	Do all three, then grow a Snidely Whiplashi moustache and twirl it as you foreclose on business owners who paid you for menus and food analysis. __________________ "There are worlds out there where the sky is burning, and the sea is asleep, and the rivers dream. People made of smoke and cities made of song. Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, somewhere else the tea's getting cold. Come on, Ace; we've got work to do!" Awesome art be here.

08-08-2011, 01:14 PM	#46
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	I'm trained in analytical chemisty. Are you telling me I can earning 100000s analysing food for restaurants? Cause fuck that is totally what I should be doing.

08-08-2011, 01:34 PM	#48
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	Maybe small business forecloser.