Damsel in Distress... Women in games

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Bells

I think you are going on argumentation by qualifiers... yeah, it's real easy to find really bad examples of a lot of bad culture in games, but i would prefer to think we have evolved quite a bit ahead from "Custers Revenge" era by now...

No. We haven't.

There are still porn games. There are still rape games. They haven't been unmade from the fabric of reality. People still make these things.

In fact, I'd wager more of them are made nowadays than were back when Custer's Revenge was made.

[Bells]

rape games i understand, but... can you tell me what's wrong with a game with or based on sexual content?

Cause... you just said "Porn Games"... yeah, they exist... more like Wanking Simulators really... but there are a few games (really bad ones though), but you object to their existence entirely!?

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by Bells

that's my point... here we are discussing the obvious over the obvious, so far there is very little insight aside from "that's terrible" "yes it is uhum uhum uhum" for 4 pages now. It's not bad... it's not good... it's nothing really... i mean, everybody agrees that the article was poorly done and written, and everybody agrees this is a real issue.... a bad cultural thing... and as far as i can tell, we pretty much all agree that once you actually watches the video the entire argument of the article and nature of the thread goes kaput... so... yeah......

...And? Discussing an issue isn't just two opposing sides arguing with each other like we're the fucking debate team.

Of all the dumbass threads we have around here, many of which are about literally nothing at all, you're seriously going to come into this one and be like, "Man, what is even the point of talking about this?"

[Kim]

I object to a culture wherein the bulk of all pornographic content is made by heterosexual men for heterosexual men, because it objectifies women and promotes actively harmful ideas of sexuality of all forms.

[phil_]

Originally Posted by Bells

I wouldn't say eliminate... but these sorts of conversations usually focus too much on older games. I think it would be more interesting to change the angle and focus a bit more on current gaming today... that's all really.

Originally Posted by The video we're all discussing

Ok, so we've established that the Damsel in Distress trope is one of the most widely used gendered cliches in the history of video games and has been core to the popularization and development of gaming as a medium. But what about modern games? Has anything changed in the past 10 years? Well stay tuned for Part Two, where I'll be looking at more contemporary examples of the Damsel in Distress trope. We'll look at all the dark and edgy twists and turns and see how the convention has been used and abused right up until today.

Bells, did you watch the video we're discussing? You wouldn't jump into a thread to say "You're all talking in circles" without watching what's being discussed, would you? 'Cause that's really the only way to make a meaningful contribution to a conversation: knowing what's being spoken about. Or jokes, I guess, but you're not doing that.

[Premmy]

1hy do people still respond to Bells' posts? I get that he's still around because Barrel got banned and NPF needs at least one useless troublemaker around to prove some stupid-ass point I'm unaware of, but do we really need to treat him like he matters?

[Bells]

Originally Posted by phil_

Bells, did you watch the video we're discussing? You wouldn't jump into a thread to say "You're all talking in circles" without watching what's being discussed, would you? 'Cause that's really the only way to make a meaningful contribution to a conversation: knowing what's being spoken about. Or jokes, I guess, but you're not doing that.

Yeah, i saw part 1, but, Kinda hard for me to comment on a Part 2 that isn't out yet, don't you think?

However, i CAN do what i was doing... which is try to steer the conversation to that topic, which i still think it's interesting, without having to wait for the video to come out...

1hy do people still respond to Bells' posts? I get that he's still around because Barrel got banned and NPF needs at least one useless troublemaker around to prove some stupid-ass point I'm unaware of, but do we really need to treat him like he matters?

Of course, however, if this is the type of mentality that is ok on this Thread, i'll just excuse myself for now... enjoy agreeing with one another...

[synkr0nized]

Originally Posted by Premmy

1hy do people still respond to Bells' posts? I get that he's still around because Barrel got banned and NPF needs at least one useless troublemaker around to prove some stupid-ass point I'm unaware of, but do we really need to treat him like he matters?

Enjoy your break from NPF, Premmy!

[Aerozord]

Originally Posted by Kim

I object to a culture wherein the bulk of all pornographic content is made by heterosexual men for heterosexual men, because it objectifies women and promotes actively harmful ideas of sexuality of all forms.

I object to a culture where sex and nudity is treated as any form of taboo. Bulk of it is made by men for men because our society still believes that sexual promiscuity is only appropriate for males. Heck not even appropriate, but that there is something wrong with a male that doesn't seek it with the opposite is true for females. To get equality in our erotica first the culture must accept varying degrees of a persons sex drive and acknowledge that gender has nothing to do with where they fall on that scale.

[Kim]

I'll let you know when I want a dude to tell me how to get true equality.

It will probably be a while.