You can not make this shit up...

[Amake]

I don't know, would I still be allowed to copy my Diablo 2 save files to make a mockery of Hardcore mode?

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I don't care what religion you are, but that is out and out blasphemy right there.

[Mr.Bookworm]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

The common "popular" religions like Catholicism, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, etc are based on the worship of deities and the virtues they represent.

You don't actually know anything about Buddhism, do you?

That doesn't change that he's trying to evade the consequences of breaking the law.

Alright. I'm a member of the Society of Friends. If the draft gets reinstated, God forbid, I can register as a conscientious objector on religious grounds. Does that mean my religion is "trying to evade the consequences of breaking the law"? In Germany, it's illegal to display a swastika. But Buddhist and Hindi temples can display them, because they're religious icons to them.

Yes, in this case, it's fairly clear cut what he's trying to do, but almost all religions have exemptions built into the law for them.

[Osterbaum]

Forgett religion, I'm way more interested in the arguments about how file copying is inherently wrong.

[Jagos]

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

EDIT:

They're labeling something objectively harmful as morally good and right and while the industry makes a bigger deal of it than is probably warranted, when you get down to the nuts and bolts there's good reason to consider it morally wrong. Their views on source code are objectively harmful. There's nothing arguable about this. You can maybe convince yourself that copying things is morally neutral, but to say that copying things is the opposite end of the moral spectrum than is objectively observable until you get your fancy post-monetary Star Trek society is just plain self-servicing no matter how you look at it. Add in IQ's point of subjecting others forcibly to your beliefs and you get something in the same class, although a lower level, as anti-abortion legislation and other things.

Blues... That's good, and I'ma let you finish...

But moral rights in a copyright debate really has no place being in there.

And I have the greatest interruption of all time!

[Amake]

I always thought there was something strange about the concept of "deserving" things. And now I know what! Boy, I'm learning a lot today.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by Mr.Bookworm

You don't actually know anything about Buddhism, do you?



Alright. I'm a member of the Society of Friends. If the draft gets reinstated, God forbid, I can register as a conscientious objector on religious grounds. Does that mean my religion is "trying to evade the consequences of breaking the law"? In Germany, it's illegal to display a swastika. But Buddhist and Hindi temples can display them, because they're religious icons to them.

Yes, in this case, it's fairly clear cut what he's trying to do, but almost all religions have exemptions built into the law for them.

Or you know, massive tax exemptions.

[Osterbaum]

Also the right to taxation.

e: Atleast where I'm from.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I'm not sure whether you want to hear why the "right to taxation" is good/bad, why it is/is not a "right". Also not really a right as much as a responsibility? That statement just bamboozled me.

[bluestarultor]

Originally Posted by Mr.Bookworm

Alright. I'm a member of the Society of Friends. If the draft gets reinstated, God forbid, I can register as a conscientious objector on religious grounds. Does that mean my religion is "trying to evade the consequences of breaking the law"?

The thing is that's built into the law specifically because pacifism is considered a positive thing. In that case, it's allowing the preservation of life.

In Germany, it's illegal to display a swastika. But Buddhist and Hindi temples can display them, because they're religious icons to them.

The Manji (as the Japanese call it) is a very common shape worldwide, actually. Native Americans also have it in their designs. The Nazis themselves got it from I think the Romans. I think it makes sense not to remove religious iconography in that it's generally not hurting anyone. I'd say the same thing about a pentagram or Star of David or anything else.

Originally Posted by Jagos

Blues... That's good, and I'ma let you finish...

But moral rights in a copyright debate really has no place being in there.

And I have the greatest interruption of all time!

Chalk it up to it having been late. I should have known better.

On the other hand, this hits pretty square for me because this stuff is pretty much in direct opposition to my job. I could write them off more easily if it was just copying files and stuff, but the fact they go so far as to say source code is fair game is more extreme than I can comfortably ignore. Source code is an incredibly valuable resource. They may as well say the programming industry shouldn't exist.

Like I said, this would all be more arguable if there wasn't money involved. Unfortunately for them, their stance is pretty much "fuck the industries providing the world with data, I WANT FREE STUFF!"