Damsel in Distress... Women in games - Page 6

Aerozord · 03-11-2013, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kim

I'll let you know when I want a dude to tell me how to get true equality.

It will probably be a while.

if you really believed in equality you wouldn't dismiss someones opinion simple because of their gender.

Kim · 03-11-2013, 10:15 PM

lol

POS Industries · 03-11-2013, 10:33 PM

Oh noooooooooooo

Not the misandryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Marc v4.0 · 03-11-2013, 10:43 PM

It only took 6 pages

POS Industries · 03-11-2013, 10:48 PM

Like okay lemme break it down for y'all, see Kim's objection is not that pornography or erotica or whatevs is inherently wrong, but rather that the state of the porn industry throughout basically forever has been engineered in such a way that it is designed almost exclusively for the benefit of men at the degradation of women, which is shitty because women (being half the population with just the same amount of sexual impulse as men) should also have the privilege of being able to enjoy getting off to watching other people have sex without having to basically sit through the message that they are lesser beings in the sexual servitude of men (unless the woman happens to be into that).

As it stands now, you really have to dig to find woman-friendly porn and then you also have to take in the added complaint that porn in its current state upholds the idea that men are expected to by society to "conquer" as many women in the sack as possible, which doesn't feel great to us guys but still hurts women more because it breeds the sorts of situations that lead to rape and sexual abuse.

And while it might help to a degree to have women "reclaiming" their rightful place as people of agency in the field of erotica, it's not really the root of the problem. Women aren't being excluded from porn, they're being exploited by it, and the sooner we figure out how to shift our cultural shift from porn being sexual exploitation to honest expression, the better.

Kyanbu The Legend · 03-11-2013, 11:00 PM

Didn't I make a thread about this years ago?

Anyway I agree, DiD needs to either,

A) Disappear completely which admittingly is easier said then done. But do able none the less.

or

B) Atleast handled in a way that's not completely terrible. Like providing a good reason why it happened, and making the princess not seem useless. Make her a well written character with depth. Which is again easier said then done seeing the current state of the gaming industry, but do able non the less. After all we do have a good number a games with strong female protagonist already.

Well that's my 2 cents on the matter. Pass down what you've learned and teach the coming generation what's truely right and teach them about equality, fairness, and kindness. If done enough times it will eventually spark a change for the better.

Ramary · 03-12-2013, 01:59 AM

Red Mage Black · 03-12-2013, 06:41 AM

Admittedly, the only thing that bothers me about her was the fact that she needed almost $150k+ for this and she didn't even change the platform she was using to send the message. Can someone tell me the difference between this video and those before the kickstarter? I'm not trying to sound like an asshole, I genuinely want to know.

Edit: For clarity's sake, I'll say this much. I have no objections to the content of Sarkeesian's videos nor do I have an opinion about her in general.

Another thing I failed to remember up till this point: Granted, the 6k was her original intended goal and so the $150k+ she got was due to all the backers. Yet I fail to see how she needed anything at all. Seeing as, at least as far as I remember, YouTube is a free medium from which to voice your opinions.

I state my original intention once again, I genuinely want to know the reasoning behind it and how the videos even changed. All that seemed to change, at least to me, was the theme.

Ramary · 03-12-2013, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Mage Black

Admittedly, the only thing that bothers me about her was the fact that she needed almost $150k+ for this and she didn't even change the platform she was using to send the message.

Common misconception, she asked for $6,000 and got a lot more people to donate after seeing the usual internet fuckery on the video page.

To answer your actual question...no idea what she is doing with the 150k, if I don't get interviews with people from the industry or something (money is on no, but it would be a pleasant surprise) it seems like it is just gonna go into her pocket. Even the 6 grand she asked for at first is kinda questionable.

Ryanderman · 03-12-2013, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramary

Common misconception, she asked for $6,000 and got a lot more people to donate after seeing the usual internet fuckery on the video page.

To answer your actual question...no idea what she is doing with the 150k, if I don't get interviews with people from the industry or something (money is on no, but it would be a pleasant surprise) it seems like it is just gonna go into her pocket. Even the 6 grand she asked for at first is kinda questionable.

I could be wrong about how Kickstarter works, but it's not a charity. It's a business facilitation platform. For whatever reason, be it logistical need or not, she decided she wanted $6,000 to create this video. People, for whatever reason, be it that they wanted the video or wanted to support her, pledged their money to her to create this video. Upon accepting the money she became obligated to create the video, but at no point is she obligated to use the money for anything other than what she wants to. People paid her money in return for content; she is providing content; their interest ends there.

Again, I could be wrong, but that's how it appears to me.

03-11-2013, 10:15 PM	#52
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	lol __________________ this post is about how to successfully H the Kimmy

03-11-2013, 10:33 PM	#53
POS Industries Argus Agony Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gotta go fishing! Posts: 10,483	Oh noooooooooooo Not the misandryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy __________________ Either you're dead or my watch has stopped.

03-11-2013, 10:43 PM	#54
Marc v4.0 Fight Me, Nerds Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,470	It only took 6 pages __________________

03-11-2013, 10:48 PM	#55
POS Industries Argus Agony Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gotta go fishing! Posts: 10,483	Wherein I put words in Kim's mouth like a douchebag and hope I'm not off base here. Like okay lemme break it down for y'all, see Kim's objection is not that pornography or erotica or whatevs is inherently wrong, but rather that the state of the porn industry throughout basically forever has been engineered in such a way that it is designed almost exclusively for the benefit of men at the degradation of women, which is shitty because women (being half the population with just the same amount of sexual impulse as men) should also have the privilege of being able to enjoy getting off to watching other people have sex without having to basically sit through the message that they are lesser beings in the sexual servitude of men (unless the woman happens to be into that). As it stands now, you really have to dig to find woman-friendly porn and then you also have to take in the added complaint that porn in its current state upholds the idea that men are expected to by society to "conquer" as many women in the sack as possible, which doesn't feel great to us guys but still hurts women more because it breeds the sorts of situations that lead to rape and sexual abuse. And while it might help to a degree to have women "reclaiming" their rightful place as people of agency in the field of erotica, it's not really the root of the problem. Women aren't being excluded from porn, they're being exploited by it, and the sooner we figure out how to shift our cultural shift from porn being sexual exploitation to honest expression, the better. __________________ Either you're dead or my watch has stopped.

03-11-2013, 11:00 PM	#56
Kyanbu The Legend Local Rookie Indie Dev Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,497	Didn't I make a thread about this years ago? Anyway I agree, DiD needs to either, A) Disappear completely which admittingly is easier said then done. But do able none the less. or B) Atleast handled in a way that's not completely terrible. Like providing a good reason why it happened, and making the princess not seem useless. Make her a well written character with depth. Which is again easier said then done seeing the current state of the gaming industry, but do able non the less. After all we do have a good number a games with strong female protagonist already. Well that's my 2 cents on the matter. Pass down what you've learned and teach the coming generation what's truely right and teach them about equality, fairness, and kindness. If done enough times it will eventually spark a change for the better. Last edited by Kyanbu The Legend; 03-11-2013 at 11:04 PM.

03-12-2013, 01:59 AM	#57
Ramary HE OPENS THE DOOR TO HIS DARK PAST Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Some craphole Posts: 770	Oh hey, critique of her that is not terrible. (dated though)

03-12-2013, 06:41 AM	#58
Red Mage Black Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Where the Sun isn't so warm. Posts: 2,673	Admittedly, the only thing that bothers me about her was the fact that she needed almost $150k+ for this and she didn't even change the platform she was using to send the message. Can someone tell me the difference between this video and those before the kickstarter? I'm not trying to sound like an asshole, I genuinely want to know. Edit: For clarity's sake, I'll say this much. I have no objections to the content of Sarkeesian's videos nor do I have an opinion about her in general. Another thing I failed to remember up till this point: Granted, the 6k was her original intended goal and so the $150k+ she got was due to all the backers. Yet I fail to see how she needed anything at all. Seeing as, at least as far as I remember, YouTube is a free medium from which to voice your opinions. I state my original intention once again, I genuinely want to know the reasoning behind it and how the videos even changed. All that seemed to change, at least to me, was the theme. Last edited by Red Mage Black; 03-12-2013 at 07:10 AM.