Hatland Mafia

[rpgdemon]

Originally Posted by greed

Personally I think Bahmut hasn't been acting particularly scummy. He's been mostly acting inexperienced. So not going to vote for him, yet.

In my opinion the scummiest are RO and RPG.


Also I stick by my list. I think that however they may have jumped onto the train late when they realised it was inevitable and they weren't going to shift it. The last person to vote for RO was RPG.

Also when you think someone let slip that they're a mason like he did you don't call attention to it. You hope no scum notice. Putting it out in the open is scummy as hell as it calls attention to a town power role. Note I'm not a mason but RPG thought I might have admitted to being one (or the PO seeing as that's the only other way to know) and then jumped up and down alerting people to the fact.

so


VOTE: RPGDEMON

I thought that Mason was a separate scum faction? That's what everyone had been implying.

[Ravashak]

Not necessarily, last game, I was mason'd, but still town. It pretty much meant we were allowed to communicate outside of the forum thread.

As for me, I'm keeping my vote on BahamutFlare. The reaction to my vote (which wasn't too serious at that point, as I've stated in the post I made the vote in) seems excessively defensive, followed by a self-vote. Then, 8 minutes later, this vote was undone, due to it being "against the rules" (which isn't as far as I can tell, last game, Sifright self-voted pretty much every day the first couple days to strengthen his statements), this fast correction feels too much like someone pointing it out, and I suspect this is through mafia communication.

Besides, I don't feel that BahamutFlare's self-aligned claim was too strong, considering it happened after Gregness', mine and I think SMB's. Add this to the knowledge that Sleazy was self-aligned, as well as my theory when I claimed, and it wouldn't be too strange for a/multiple mafiates to do the same, trying to spread the risk.

And greed, I don't understand your vote on rpgdemon. You made a mistake and typed mason instead of miller a bit earlier, rpgdemon asked about what you meant, you corrected it, and now he's scummy for calling you out on a mistake (which, at this point, I believe was an innocent one)?

[Geminex]

I thought that Mason was a separate scum faction? That's what everyone had been implying.

That's cult, not masons. Masons are townies who know about each other. Masons are good for town. Cultists are bad.

As for the rest, still reading up on stuff, haven't had internet for two days now.

[Geminex]

Right. Couple of things.

First, RO lynch, I've been having second thoughts. I mean, yes, I said I'd vote for him if he didn't post in time, but that was more to get him to freaking post. And now that he hasn't, I don't believe that he'd risk another lynch just for the sake of keeping quiet and hoping we forget about him when we clearly haven't. What if he really can't post today, as a result of "disappearing" at the end of last day? Hell, what if disappearing wasn't even his own power? I could imagine a role that just removes a player from the game for a day. Protects them from harm and prevents them from doing anything. It'd just be a powered-up jailer. And if that was the case, that wouldn't tell us anything about RO, really.

I'm just not sure what the hell is up with him, and somehow, I think we should give him a chance to explain. I'm not exonerating him or anything, he's still suspicious as fuck because the stuff he said yesterday, but I don't think he's not posting because he wants to. And given that, I dunno about the people voting for him. We've got him in our sights, we can wait to hear what he has to say, and go for other people now. There's gotta be at least one mafiate still around.

Of course, who to go for?

Greed's arguments seem strange. There's been quite a bit of finger-pointing at RPG, but I've never noticed him doing anything really incriminating. Yes, he hammered the last RO vote without any explanation or justification, which in itself seems weird, but that happens. Someone has to be last to vote, and while the lack of explanation is fishy, it's not enough to justify a lynch in my mind. And I think cult and mason are sufficiently interchangable so as to make that kinda mistake. Hell, it wouldn't even have been in scum's interests to point it out publicly, since then can talk to each other in private. I don't think he's a good target.

Bahamut is weird, though. The overreaction to Ravashak is in itself suspicious, and his behavior is contradictory. He advocates lynching RO if no other leads pop up, and when the time comes to lynch RO, he unceremoniously votes for Earl. Earl hadn't done anything to warrant additional suspicion, and the argument that Bahamut's agreeing with is one I made a while ago. All that really happened between Bahamut defending his proposed RO vote, and voting for Earl is him getting called out on his RO vote. It seems like he's trying to dodge suspicion more than anything else, and that's scummy.

Plus, this.

RPG, you already know who I am and it's not mafia. Quit trying to vote me. If you don't, then think a little. You're smarter then this. Yes it explains everything you think. If you're self-aligned, you'll realize how much sense this makes and unvote. I hope you realize what this cryptic message means.

The hell? Cryptic message indeed, but I don't get it. Maybe there's something behind it, maybe you're bluffing. And given all the other stuff, I'm gonna assume it's the latter.

So ##VOTE: Bahamutflare

[greed]

Well admittedly I was adding to other stuff about him you mentioned in my head. But yeah good points actually. Alright I can accept he might have made a mistake and that pointing it out while not good for the town probably isn't scummy. More bad town move I guess.

Alright

UNVOTE: RPGDEMON
VOTE; BAHAMUTFLARE

[Ravashak]

Warning to those that want to use the full day, we are now at 4 out of 5 required votes for a lynch.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

I still think RO is our best bet. But we can't confirm that lynching him again wouldn't just be a wasted vote, so I'll concede on that.

I'm somewhat concerned about your reasoning though, Gem.

It seems like he's trying to dodge suspicion more than anything else, and that's scummy.

To be frank... I believe everyone would be trying to dodge suspicion in that circumstance. Even a townie won't willfully do something that makes them seem like scum.
I kind of see where you're coming from with that argument, but if you could rationalize it a bit better that'd be nice.

[Geminex]

I kind of see where you're coming from with that argument, but if you could rationalize it a bit better that'd be nice.

Well, nobody wants to get lynched, that's true. But it's in the interest of town to lynch the mafiate. As such, they want to vote for the guy they think is the mafiate.

Whereas scum doesn't necessarily care as much whom they hit. They have nightkills to do the work for them, they simply want to survive the day. Sure, sometimes they're gonna push to lynch a specific target, but the rule, to me, is that mafia just want to survive the day.
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When bahamut changed his vote, he showed that 'not seeming suspicious' is less important to him than 'targeting the player who I think represents scum'. At least that's how I interpreted it. Sure, he might be a self-aligned power role. But this is just one of three major scumtells. The overreaction, the contradictory behavior, and the really vague possibly-kinda-maybe roleclaim.

That make more sense`?

[BahamutFlare]

Well, F it. die tonight or die now. Let's go for tonight.

RPGdemon did guess who I am before. I am the dreaded SK or Vig if you want to think that self-aligned is a town faction. That's how I thought Fenris and Hawk were scum. I couldn't prove it. I couldn't say, "Oh I did do something about it. I targeted them." Sif was really just aggressive with little valid points made.

Gem, I may be acting that way for 3 reasons. I am the SK, and D3 just messed with my mind. I shouldn't have posted after RL traumatic events. I'm nowhere near as calm as I was before, and going with first instinct has been shot to heck. Really thinking in general has not been working. I've dropped SO many tells RPG picked up on.

[/cryptic message]

[BahamutFlare]

Actually, I am the Self-aligned Vig. I'm not a SK kinda. I thought it did day SK before. But I guess I forgot a few weeks later.

the Man in the Ushanka, Vigilant Killer, self-aligned.