Tiller Assassination - Page 8

Archbio · 06-09-2009, 01:53 PM

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Question: How does this fit in with child support laws and whatnot? If the father has no role in deciding that the child lives, should he have a role in having to take care of the child unwillingly if he wanted the abortion to take place, but had no role in the decision?

One doesn't fit in with the other. One shouldn't fit in with the other.

Honestly, this is purely offtopic unless you're really suggesting that "the father has a role in the decision", which is at best nonsensical. What role? Can he veto the pregnancy? Can he veto the abortion? That wouldn't be a role, that would be the entire freaking decision.

If the emphasis is on the "should he have a role in having to take care of the child unwillingly", then it really has nothing to do with abortion at all. The question remains whole regardless of the legal status of abortion. The idea that a legal right to unilaterally opt out of parenthood altogether should be awarded to fathers to compensate for women being deemed to have the right to control their own bodies, a right that men enjoy without question, is ludicrous.

If one thinks that the right to unilaterally opt out of parenthood should exist, why wouldn't it exist for both mothers and fathers? Why not argue that instead of tacking the issue onto abortion? Because the latter is clearly an empty rethorical clich� the point of which isn't quite clear.

*Abortion being the right to unilaterally opt out of pregnancy, having as much to do with opting out of parenthood as vasectomies do.

Marelo · 06-09-2009, 02:00 PM

It wasn't really an argument made so much as what I labeled it as, that is, a question. I was honestly curious as to your thoughts about it.

Archbio · 06-09-2009, 02:04 PM

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It wasn't really an argument made so much as what I labeled it as, that is, a question. I was honestly curious as to your thoughts about it.

I think my post answers to it both as a question and as an argument (variations of which I've seen made about a hundred times), so there you have it.

Fifthfiend · 06-09-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Runswithnopants

Question: How does this fit in with child support laws and whatnot? If the father has no role in deciding that the child lives, should he have a role in having to take care of the child unwillingly if he wanted the abortion to take place, but had no role in the decision?

Short explanation is that as the dude you get to make your decision about willingness to father a child when you are having the sex that then creates the child. The lady has that opportunity plus an additional roughly three to six month window to decide whether she wants to mother a child, which she has due to the pretty important fact that she is the one whose body is going to spend 3/4 of a year growing the single-cell organism which the dude helped her create into an actual functioning human baby.

The problem with pretty much any other hypothetical version of this arrangement is that it runs you smack into the issue that the entire process we're concerned with here takes place inside the body of a human being. Maybe if people were birds we could work things out more conveniently? But stupid jerk sentience had to evolve out of mammalian life so well, here we are.

....didn't wanna close this on me having the last word but we're getting off topic even more than we were already off topic.

So, closed.

06-09-2009, 02:00 PM	#72
Marelo Napoleon Impersonator Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 816	It wasn't really an argument made so much as what I labeled it as, that is, a question. I was honestly curious as to your thoughts about it.