Sex Scenes in games: Deep gameplay or CHEEEEEEEEEEESE

[Aerozord]

Originally Posted by Nique

Yeah thats part of why I have a hard time buying that, I mean, video games aren't really even a new media they're just combinations of exsiting media technology.




Give me one example.

No no, not cause I don't belive you! I just need to know becuase that is (very darkly) hilarious.

worst one I've seen is in water world. bad guys got the kid, leaving them stranded, and they decide to have sex. Oh and by the way, the ships also slowly sinking. Out of place is one thing, but thats down right counterproductive

[Krylo]

There's a good one.

I wanna say there was something similar in one of the Conan movies, but I don't really have them on hand, and trying to find the endings to Conan movies on youtube is like pulling teeth (Conan the Detective, however, is quite easy to find--also the video games). And maybe that one where the dude could talk to animals?

But it's pretty common in lots of popcorn action flicks. There was one I can't remember the name of with a giant squid thing killing people that I think had something similar as well. Though corpses were out of sight.

Oh, or how about the sex scene in The Chase, where she climbs onto him while he is, literally, in the middle of a high speed chase with the police? There's a good 'un. S'rsly.

Edit: She's also his hostage.

[Kim]

On the subject of sex scenes in video games, I thought that the one in MGS3 was well/tastefully done and made sense within the context of the game.

[tacticslion]

Originally Posted by Krylo

Edit: She's also his hostage.

At least there's some psychological precident for being a hostage turning into feelings of closeness with the captor. On the other hand, in a high speed car chase, closing your eyes, and having a persistant, shifting weight that often blocks your view and moves your body even while knocking your arms off of the wheel... yeah, that's more than slightly stupid. I mean, beyond the whole "hey, let's drive at high speeds while being totally distracted!" stupid that any kind of sexual activity behind the wheel is.

Originally Posted by Krylo

If anything, it seems to do a slightly better job. I've yet to have my video game action hero fuck his damsel in distress with alien corpses a few feet away, but I've seen suggestive fade to blacks in just that situation in all kinds of movies.

Or how about (extremely short, yet) highly explicit scenes*?

Originally Posted by Nique

Give me one example.

Highlander 2. Synopsis? Eco-terrorist woman kidnaps the weak old man who saved the world by killing the sky. She then sees some strange freaks assault and kill him, only: oho, he's not dead! Further, he beheads them and explodes (twice). Thereafter she immediately decides to have sex, up against a wall, in the alleyway, with no protection, with said frail old man who now appears all young and virile. Because that's how people think. Seriously: two freakish, headless corpses, a burning gasoline truck, a fail old man turned younger man, and a dirty alleyway totally justify deciding to get it on right then.

Comparison (two examples that haven't been mentioned multiple times**):
- NWN <Hordes of the Underdark>: through conversation, you eventually learn that your characters are (possibly) having sex, through their conversations, while nothing is shown. This only occurs after three chapters (for two of them, anyway) of social interaction. (Admission: The OC has a whorehouse in chapter one, but then again, it does pretty much everything poorly.)

- NWN2: in the OC, after a long campaign filled with conversation, there's a moment when, if you've built up a relationship, you are pulled aside, and given the option to physically consumate it, at the end of the game, with nothing shown.

Were either of these perfect? No.
Mature? More than "I'm Connor MacLoud of the Clan MacLoud, and I'm-" "Oh, yes do me, yes, oh, please, uh, here in the alley, oh, on the wall, yeah, that's right, oh, that was good, kthnxbai!" Also more mature than Charlie Sheen's performance given above. Also more maturely than most porno.

Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! I've got a perfect example of sex handled maturely in games: Harvest Moon.

*If I recall correctly, this one (unlike the first) is done without nudity! See? Classy!
**Ironically, these are still both by bioware. Huh.

[32bit-RedMage]

Sex in games ?

It was already happening in the NES era.
Remember Golgo 13: Top Secret Episode ???

[DFM]

Custer will have you know it was happening way before that.

[Osterbaum]

Porn on the Atari 2600, oh yeah.

[Lumenskir]

You know, I can't decide if video games actually fit the oft used excuse used by apologists that 'they are a media form in it's infancy' and mature subject matter will eventually be handled at the same level we think we see in film and literature, or if that is totally bogus. I'm not seeing a lot of middle ground there.

Yeah thats part of why I have a hard time buying that, I mean, video games aren't really even a new media they're just combinations of exsiting media technology.

Cmon, Nique, these are the types of things you read immediately after you post and then scramble for the delete button.

Under your definition, movies aren't new media, they're just old-fashioned photographs displayed one right after another, animation is just the same thing but with paintings, comics are just written words and sequential art, and novels are just ripoffs of written words from poetry/epics, which themselves are just recorded versions of things we've been saying (not to mention thinking).

And how can you not see the middle ground? Do you think humanity painted caves for centuries until one guy stumbled onto Guernica (or whatever you think is the apex of painting)? The Godfather (or Citizen Kane, or Fight Club, or what have you) didn't just pop out of no where after Ott's Sneeze? All great pieces of art comes from the continual refinement of what makes their respective media great. Video games might be a long way off, but you can find the same anti-worth sentiment applied to every media and genre throughout history.

Of course when videogames do reach the point where they can reliably produce great works, that doesn't magically mean that all dreck stops. It's still a commercially driven format, whatever sells will continue to get made. This isn't anything new in any medium where selling something is usually the primary goal, it'll just mean that we have to stop pretending that the dreck is actually worthwhile for anything other than entertainment.

What the apologists get wrong with videogames nowadays, however, is the fact that they don't have any truly great works to show off yet, just the knowledge that the medium has the potential (like all media has). This leads them to treat almost everything videogames have to offer (which is mostly dreck) like art, and for reasonably smart people like Tycho to stay stupid things like "A team of artists working on something must be art" just because someone (understandably) happens to find videogames lacking.

[Pip Boy]

This kind of trash is in video games now as much as its in movies and TV, and its not a coincidence that a lot of the major best-selling titles include it. Consumers are impulsive morons and sex sells. It contributes nothing to the game itself but everything to its sales, so its probably not going to change soon.

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Megaman FTW

This kind of trash is in video games now as much as its in movies and TV, and its not a coincidence that a lot of the major best-selling titles include it.

Yeah, I forgot about that part in Halo 3 where Master Chief and Cortana had sex. Or in Modern Warfare where you had sex with your drill sergeant. Or the sex scene in Final Fantasy XIII.