TF2 - Christmas Update - Page 8

**Revising Ocelot** · 12-16-2011, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke cole

I'm not sure why the Phlogistinator needs to force a taunt before tripping it.

Then again, it's like a combination Sandvich/Steak that doesn't lock you into your melee weapon...

Because an instant on-demand full heal would be overpowered. That's exactly why Sandvich locks you into NomNomNom OmNom (or two seconds worth of equipping and tossing sandvich for a half heal).

Buffalo steak Nom time should be shorter, in my opinion. Same with Dalokohs, although it'd still be useless.

Arcanum · 12-16-2011, 07:13 PM

Oh just so everyone is aware: I will trade my kidney (or something in my inventory if that's more your thing) for a Spy-cicle or a Nice Crate, so if you have a spare of the former or want to dump the latter, let me know.

Shyria Dracnoir · 12-16-2011, 07:32 PM

I'll trade a vital organ* of your choice for the Outback Intellectual.

(* read, hats)

Ryong · 12-16-2011, 07:41 PM

I'd like the new flamethrower or the new pyro pistol. I'll trade...A bunch of stuff.

Shyria Dracnoir · 12-16-2011, 08:56 PM

Disregard this, got what I was looking for.

Kerensky287 · 12-16-2011, 11:08 PM

The new pyro flamer is kinda cool, but it won't really be worth using until they remove the taunt that activates Mmmph. Make it an instant effect like uber and you've sold me, but having to stop for 5 seconds while the Pyro does his little dance means that you basically lose any windows you might have had to do serious damage.

It takes a little while to fill anyway, and the damage boost isn't enough to risk a kamikaze attack. It feels like it indirectly buffs the Detonator a bit, since immolating whole groups is a surefire way to fill the gauge quicker, but Flare sniping works just as well if not better. It fills the bar in two or three hits.

Losing airblast is too serious of a drawback at this point, and you'll never fill the bar in a single life without Flare Gun or Detonator, so I recommend against it until a buff comes.

Locke cole · 12-16-2011, 11:16 PM

Speaking of buffing the Detonator, they increased the size of flare jumps by a bit.

Arcanum · 12-16-2011, 11:20 PM

When you could still jump and activate without the taunt I would see quite a few people just wrecking everything with it, since the instant-heal and crits made it ridiculous.

Also, judging from this video (skip to 1:00) you have a massive damage reduction during your taunt, so if that's the case then I think it's more than fine the way it is.

Kerensky287 · 12-16-2011, 11:24 PM

Yes, you have massive damage reduction, but this is a weapon designed to give you a short (but sweet) offensive boost. Giving it a 5-second deploy time is absurd, especially if you can be backstabbed/outmanouvered/fled from during that time.

They should give you a different set of stats, maybe, to compensate for the lack of any delay. Minicrits instead of crits, perhaps, and high regen instead of instant heal. But a speed boost would be cool too - it's basically Pyro super mode, and he trades the fucking AIRBLAST for it. It needs to be worthwhile.

Arcanum · 12-16-2011, 11:30 PM

It's two and a half, three seconds tops. It's not as horrible as you're making it out to be.

12-16-2011, 07:32 PM	#73
Shyria Dracnoir Kawaii-ju Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Monster Island Posts: 4,240	I'll trade a vital organ* of your choice for the Outback Intellectual. (* read, hats) __________________ Godzilla vs. Gamera (1994)

12-16-2011, 08:56 PM	#75
Shyria Dracnoir Kawaii-ju Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Monster Island Posts: 4,240	Disregard this, got what I was looking for. __________________ Godzilla vs. Gamera (1994) Last edited by Shyria Dracnoir; 12-16-2011 at 10:53 PM.

12-16-2011, 11:08 PM	#76
Kerensky287 Just That Good Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,426	The new pyro flamer is kinda cool, but it won't really be worth using until they remove the taunt that activates Mmmph. Make it an instant effect like uber and you've sold me, but having to stop for 5 seconds while the Pyro does his little dance means that you basically lose any windows you might have had to do serious damage. It takes a little while to fill anyway, and the damage boost isn't enough to risk a kamikaze attack. It feels like it indirectly buffs the Detonator a bit, since immolating whole groups is a surefire way to fill the gauge quicker, but Flare sniping works just as well if not better. It fills the bar in two or three hits. Losing airblast is too serious of a drawback at this point, and you'll never fill the bar in a single life without Flare Gun or Detonator, so I recommend against it until a buff comes. __________________ People who live in Glass homes should not throw stones or Jerk off at daytime

12-16-2011, 11:24 PM	#79
Kerensky287 Just That Good Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,426	Yes, you have massive damage reduction, but this is a weapon designed to give you a short (but sweet) offensive boost. Giving it a 5-second deploy time is absurd, especially if you can be backstabbed/outmanouvered/fled from during that time. They should give you a different set of stats, maybe, to compensate for the lack of any delay. Minicrits instead of crits, perhaps, and high regen instead of instant heal. But a speed boost would be cool too - it's basically Pyro super mode, and he trades the fucking AIRBLAST for it. It needs to be worthwhile. __________________ People who live in Glass homes should not throw stones or Jerk off at daytime

12-16-2011, 07:13 PM	#72
Arcanum Strike the Earth! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 3,185	Oh just so everyone is aware: I will trade my kidney (or something in my inventory if that's more your thing) for a Spy-cicle or a Nice Crate, so if you have a spare of the former or want to dump the latter, let me know.

12-16-2011, 07:41 PM	#74
Ryong Professional Threadkiller Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Brazil Posts: 3,798	I'd like the new flamethrower or the new pyro pistol. I'll trade...A bunch of stuff.

12-16-2011, 11:20 PM	#78
Arcanum Strike the Earth! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 3,185	When you could still jump and activate without the taunt I would see quite a few people just wrecking everything with it, since the instant-heal and crits made it ridiculous. Also, judging from this video (skip to 1:00) you have a massive damage reduction during your taunt, so if that's the case then I think it's more than fine the way it is.

12-16-2011, 11:30 PM	#80
Arcanum Strike the Earth! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 3,185	It's two and a half, three seconds tops. It's not as horrible as you're making it out to be.