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Unread 02-14-2012, 08:53 AM   #31
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The point about the deathmiller is they could be legit or dudes playing some kind of wacky game. But if we lynch them we don't learn anything which is the problem. It's best to just leave them till we have other information to go off.
The PO could potentially investigate them if he wants though its up to him.

However claiming miller is suspicious as all fuck because you are basically just buying yourself immunity from PO which the deathmiller does not have as such.
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Unread 02-14-2012, 10:04 AM   #32
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Well see

If they were reverse millers in the sense that investigated, they turn up town, and revealed as mafia on death? that would work too, and that's kind of the angle I'm not seeing addressed.

Also this could just be a massively elaborate game where the mafia doesn't actually know any other mafiates, and the mafia believes they ARE town- these deathmillers may actually be the mafiates.
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Unread 02-14-2012, 10:22 AM   #33
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I'm up for lynching hawk, his story doesn't follow, or rather it stops following once you take into account that it lists him as the mafia don when he dies, which from the fluff perspective he is putting forward doesn't make sense.

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I understand that when he dies it won't prove him guilty or innocent as he truly could be a death miller... but his claim strikes me to much as exactly what you would want every one to believe if you are the mafia don and investigate as town from a PO.
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Unread 02-14-2012, 10:28 AM   #34
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Two "death" millers seems a bit much. We might be onto some kind of overarching theme for the game there.


Would we have any other "Death" millers willing to come forth and further complicate this sordid tale, perhaps?
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Unread 02-14-2012, 10:59 AM   #35
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If they were reverse millers in the sense that investigated, they turn up town, and revealed as mafia on death? that would work too, and that's kind of the angle I'm not seeing addressed.
Two people are already claiming this? And I am saying not to lynch them for that very reason and instead lyncht he person who claims to be a straight miller. Not sure what you're smoking.
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Unread 02-14-2012, 11:31 AM   #36
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Miller, Town Aligned. Win condition being win when town wins. As mentioned before. The death millers...what's your win condition.

So there's now two mafia dons. You being so close to them, I'd bet you'd know who they are. Frankly, I don't trust death millers. I believe they've been lied to because how can there be 2 mafia dons? You are the mafia don Hawk. Also, you could very well be town and our true enemy is cult/SK/5th party. There may be no actual mafia.

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(Sorry, I get lazy when it comes to colors, I do casual unless asked. And I see Hawk used MafiaN also, so I have no idea what logic train to use except that there can't be more than 1 mafia don)

Who wants to bet that mafia has a reverse death miller that infiltrated town?
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Miller, Town Aligned. Win condition being win when town wins. As mentioned before. The death millers...what's your win condition.

So there's now two mafia dons. You being so close to them, I'd bet you'd know who they are. Frankly, I don't trust death millers. I believe they've been lied to because how can there be 2 mafia dons? You are the mafia don Hawk. Also, you could very well be town and our true enemy is cult/SK/5th party. There may be no actual mafia.

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(Sorry, I get lazy when it comes to colors, I do casual unless asked. And I see Hawk used MafiaN also, so I have no idea what logic train to use except that there can't be more than 1 mafia don)

Who wants to bet that mafia has a reverse death miller that infiltrated town?
Something very odd is going on this game, I was going to keep this hidden for a bit longer but with all the millers out the woodwork:
Miller, Town aligned.
That makes at least 1, (If I'm the only one being honest) and at most 4 millers.
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Unread 02-14-2012, 11:57 AM   #38
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My role flavor states that my work for the agency has left a bad paper trail for me, that would paint a bad picture of me to anyone who found it. So I carry it on me at all times. I assume that the death flavor for me would be someone finding the documents on me, and coming to the conclusion that I work for the rogue group.

My flavor also states that if only someone would come talk to me, I could get someone on my side. Which relates to being investigated as town, I'd assume.

My win condition is that I win when town wins.

I cannot confirm Hawk's role claim, nor flavor. Our role flavors are very different, I know nothing of infiltrating anyone. In fact, Hawk's role flavor makes me somewhat suspicious of him, as it could be a neat ploy by the mafia don, sensing an opportunity after I role claimed.

The reason I felt I should role claim right off on day 1 was that I knew I could die at any time, and if the town thought I was mafia after I died they'd be off on any future calculations of how many mafia are left. Any interactions I had with anyone during the day would be seen in an incorrect light, and could lead to suspicion being cast on people undeservedly. Anything I said while alive would be viewed with suspicion, and could undo any positive contributions I make. Regardless of the town's reaction to my role claim, lynching me or not, I felt that ensuring the town had the correct information from which to work was vitally important.
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Miller, Town Aligned. Win condition being win when town wins. As mentioned before. The death millers...what's your win condition.

So there's now two mafia dons. You being so close to them, I'd bet you'd know who they are. Frankly, I don't trust death millers. I believe they've been lied to because how can there be 2 mafia dons? You are the mafia don Hawk. Also, you could very well be town and our true enemy is cult/SK/5th party. There may be no actual mafia.

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(Sorry, I get lazy when it comes to colors, I do casual unless asked. And I see Hawk used MafiaN also, so I have no idea what logic train to use except that there can't be more than 1 mafia don)

Who wants to bet that mafia has a reverse death miller that infiltrated town?
How would a deathmiller showing up as mafia don make two mafia dons. that's dumb.
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Unread 02-14-2012, 12:10 PM   #40
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Miller, Town Aligned. Win condition being win when town wins. As mentioned before. The death millers...what's your win condition.
I am town aligned. I win when town wins. That is what town aligned means. Did I really have to explain that?

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No, there is probably only 1 mafia don, I just show as the don upon death.

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You being so close to them, I'd bet you'd know who they are. Frankly, I don't trust death millers. I believe they've been lied to because how can there be 2 mafia dons? You are the mafia don Hawk. Also, you could very well be town and our true enemy is cult/SK/5th party. There may be no actual mafia.
We haven't been lied to, it explicitly states what my alignment is and who I win with, which is town.


This is the damn problem with any kind of miller tough, for once I get to actually make a claim and be completely honest and open about exactly what I am, and you all want to immediately lynch me. I've told you what I am, I've even given you my entire role info near verbatim, what else can I do here?
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