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Unread 12-13-2011, 12:53 PM   #31
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Law voted for Nik, too.

Not that I care because I'll probably change my vote anyway, but it's the principle.
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Unread 12-13-2011, 02:04 PM   #32
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Vote: Nikose

I'm sorry, but roleclaiming miller right off the bat? That, I don't know, that just screams scum to me. Without ever able to tell if he is truly scum or not via investigation, he has made a defense against the PO, town's best weapon, along with trying to get everyone to accept he is town. That just seems like either a bad move or a smart defense, so voting to call him on it.
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Unread 12-13-2011, 02:06 PM   #33
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sweet, Kerensky, Lawful Neutral, and Inbred Chocobo are the mafiates. Shortest game ever.

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Unread 12-13-2011, 02:07 PM   #34
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Unvote: Greed

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Unread 12-13-2011, 02:32 PM   #35
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IC, you want to claim miller right off the bat when you're town. Because otherwise, you run the risk of the PO wasting an investigation on you. Claiming miller on D1 is literally the best way to play the role, because, if you're gonna turn up scum anyway, you might as well warn people. And, given that, from what I've heard, you're pretty experienced, I woulda thought you knew that.

Mind you, I'm not saying Nikose is town. He started the game off by throwing around 3 random accusations, and that really didn't seem in the spirit of Jest. That alone seemed like something of a scummy thing to do, since by hurling around suspicion, you're kinda liable to cause a good amount of chaos. Nik did a similar thing in MLP mafia, so I'm not sure if unbased D1 predictions are just his thing, or if he's just trying to see if it'll work this time. Lawful voted for him based on those D1 predictions, and, while I would've waited for more evidence to pop up, I certainly think that vote was justified. I don't think that counts as evidence to call lawful scum.

As for Kerensky... what'd he do? All I see is a joke. Which he's admittedly stretching. But I wouldn't declare him mafia for it. Just as I wouldn't declare lawful to be mafia for voting for Nikose a few posts in. And the fact that Nikose is making those declarations seems... unusual. Sure, IC's attack on him seems unjustified and suspicious. But Nikose hasn't quite been an angel of innocence himself.

He never outed himself as Miller until I challenged him on it, which is strange. He clearly alluded to the existence of a Miller, trying to hint to town that there probably was one. Which is cool, but it helps scum. Because "There's probably a miller" only serves to weaken the PO, whose investigations suddenly have a chance of failure. If you want to help town, you want to definitely out yourself as the miller, not vaguely hint at the existence of one. So, if he was a town-aligned miller, why not just come out and say it?

Plus, there's the fact that he accused RPG, greed and moogle with absolutely no basis, and the fact that he's seemed all too eager to declare Lawful and Kerensky to be scum.

I've got to admit, I'm kinda split on whom to vote for. I'd like to hear from both, Nikose and IC.
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Unread 12-13-2011, 02:42 PM   #36
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I generally open games I play in with random accusations; The only reason I'm even lumping in Kerensky and Lawful is that I now have a trail of 3 voters on me, which is our theoretical Mafia number.

Kerensky came in with a joke, called it a joke, and then hung on with it despite his attempts to play it off with the whole "Eh, I'll change it later".

Essentially it seems to me like an easy lead-on, and all three may not be mafia; however I tend to have a good track record of point-and-be-right, too. [sidenote: Fenris after MLP mafia: "What the fuck Nikose get out of my inbox"]

As for not immediately confessing being a miller? Literally didn't occur to me. I was just 'talking out loud' in my post, trying to reason out who was who. Didn't actually think to include "Right, I said there is a miller because I'M the miller".

Anyway the people I've pointed fingers at are probably all power roles this game and I cannot in any reasonable way justify why I'm saying that.

But IC is definitely mafia in my eyes. Mostly because he's IC.
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Unread 12-13-2011, 03:01 PM   #37
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It was Nikose's approach to declaring himself miller that throws me off. He really didn't state intentions or anything, or justify it. I mean it would be one thing if he made a post going. "Okay guys, Roleclaim: Miller. Here is why I am doing it" but instead we got "So yada yada yada oh btw I am miller LOL." when someone questioned him on it.

The fact that it was prodded out of him rather than him coming straight out with it first is what bugs me. Him suggesting first that their is a miller, someone then prodding him, hey, why are you so sure, and then him going because I is one, is well, just a weird way to do it. It feels like a gambling tactic with its execution rather than him truly being mafia.

Then again, this is what I am reading in the miller claiming, I'm not sure if its 100%. Geminex brings up a good point, that is the best way to play as if you are miller, so I may need to brew on it more.
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Unread 12-13-2011, 03:09 PM   #38
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Please note that again, while 'brewing' over something he is indecisive about, he does not relinquish his vote on me; nor has Kerensky or Lawful at this point, which, when things eventually flip into action, will end up casting some pretty pale light on all 3 of them.

Also, I have absolutely no qualms with my eventual demise; as the only person here who's come out to say "I'm town but look scummy", things are going to happen one of three ways:

1) I die today.
2) I die tonight by a vig or a mafiate looking to kill a boisterous, active town that people seem to be listening to.
3) I day tomorrow because mafia didn't kill me in the night.

My fate is pretty much set in stone.
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Unread 12-13-2011, 03:31 PM   #39
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IC is mafia because he is IC. What? Only thing I disagree about, but I'm guessing that it's a joke.

I'd like to hear from Law before making any decision.

Unvote: Lawful Neutral

Since it was a joke vote originally.
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Unread 12-13-2011, 03:32 PM   #40
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If we don't lynch you today, why would we do it tomorrow? I mean, we might get around to it eventually, but if we don't have enough evidence on D1 we're not gonna have enough with just one night intervening.
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