OH GOD BIOWARE WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU DONE

[Osterbaum]

And what about that new playable character they introduced a while back? Generic (Jersey Shore) Space Marine? I mean what the fuck.

[Aerozord]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Mass Effect, like the original game, appealed to me precisely because, in the efforts to create a new universe of science fiction, it took itself seriously. It did its painstaking research. It wasn't trying to appeal to the masses with some bullshit romance option cameos.

the biggest buzz around the first game, was lesbian sex with an alien. Now this is certainly a step back from their approach to male homosexual relationships etc. Its possible that choice in the first game was done for purely legit reasons and it was used by others just as a marketing ploy. But also possible they knew nerds wanted to bang the blue skinned alien babe and were happy cater to that.

[edit] weird thought and I was curious about how people would respond to options that allowed for non-monogamous relationships? While can easily see that as catering it does also allow for more options and complexity especially if designed so there are consequences. Personally I always wanted a game where if I decide to get with two girls there are actual repercussions to it. Like the team suffers for me deciding to be a man-whore.

I think KotOR did this abit where if you tried to get closer to some crew members it makes it harder to get closer to others (I might be misremembering). Like if you romance Tali she is closer to you and thus more verbal about her disapproval of Legion.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by Aerozord

the biggest buzz around the first game, was lesbian sex with an alien.

What.
Holy shit.
What.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Aerozord

the biggest buzz around the first game, was lesbian sex with an alien.

That was the biggest buzz that Fox News and other media outlets artificially manufactured about the first game. The actual "lesbian alien sex" scene was about as tame as it could be.

...Mind you, it would have been nice if ME1 was a little more equal-opportunity in approaching homosexual relationships, but I think you're comparing apples and oranges here.

[Ramary]

Originally Posted by Osterbaum

I also haven't yet heard if the game wil be Origin-exclusive. If it is, that is another deterrent for me actually getting the game.

I got bad news for you son.....

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

That was the biggest buzz that Fox News and other media outlets artificially manufactured about the first game. The actual "lesbian alien sex" scene was about as tame as it could be.

...Mind you, it would have been nice if ME1 was a little more equal-opportunity in approaching homosexual relationships, but I think you're comparing apples and oranges here.

Apples and oranges are both fruit though. This is... I don't even know.

[Ramary]

Karesh I think the words you are looking for are misinformed stupidity.

[Kerensky287]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Mass Effect, like the original game, appealed to me precisely because, in the efforts to create a new universe of science fiction, it took itself seriously.

I've had enough of your snide insinuations.

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

...This is basically all about giving nerdy male gamers a fantasy of sleeping with some girl whose popularity in nerd culture stems solely from her appearance and her willingness to become a sex symbol. I am not comfortable with that in my Mass Effect. Hell, I'm not certain I'd be comfortable with it in any game, but especially not Mass Effect, and especially if they're investing hordes of man-hours into making this character while refusing to bring Mordin's VA back, and especially if they're investing man-hours into this when they could have used that time and effort to make another ME2 character or two come back in squadmate roles.

Again, show me evidence that they aren't bringing Mordin's VA back. Hard evidence, not some tweet off the webs.

Acting like this cameo is taking away development time from another character is absurd. Either it was planned from relatively early on (in which case it's deeper than you imply), or it's a last-minute addition, and therefore not very detail-intensive.

You could argue that they cut out some important scenes to make room for it, but you could just as easily argue that they added in the new stuff and simply worked the development team harder. In fact, the only evidence we have is Bioware's track record for game development, which has been universally stellar (with the, again, arguable exception of DA2). With that in mind, I'd say it's more likely that they're still dedicated to quality.

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

I mean if you're going to thrust Chobot into a cameo, could you at least not make her into a romanceable character, or use her likeness? Is there any way you could possibly set the bar lower not just for the game, but for nerd culture in general? What does it say about us dorks and nerd culture generally that Bioware thinks we're so desperate that they think giving us a Jessica Chobot love scene is really fucking appropriate?

I think you're reading way more into this than you need to.

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

(Also let's not compare Martin Sheen with Chobot, Sheen is a legit actor, and he's not romanceable anyway. The apt comparison would be if Hunger Games brought in Robert Pattinson to play a character virtually identical to Edward from Twilight solely to play upon young women's fantasies and sell more tickets. Only this is actually worse because it's an interactive medium and the romance is intended to be between 'you' and a 'Chobot clone'. But imagine if like ME's creators were like "We want to make this game appeal more to women, so here's Edward Cullen as a romanceable character!" Wouldn't that infuriate you? Why is this is any more permissible just because the character is aimed for the 'target' audience?)

Well, you have a po- wait.

Wait. No you don't.

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

solely to play upon young women's fantasies

Thane Motherfucking Krios.

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

...Really, this entire game feels rushed, sloppy, and just a mess of contradictions.

This comment feels out-of-place considering that your entire rant is focused on the inclusion of one possibly-minor character and several other points of questionable verity.

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

There's things about my impressions of it that I simply can't talk about right now, but I can't say my 'faith' in this franchise could possibly be any lower. I can say that my objections to the "released script" reflect not just on the quality of the written dialogue, but rather on some of the broader general plot ideas, and that spells doom and gloom, no amount of great voice-acting or great visuals can save that.

Again, we have no evidence that the script you saw is the *real* script. And again, execution is everything.

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

I understand it's still ingrained in the psyche of hordes of ME fans to reflexively defend the franchise but at one point or another enough evidence just sticks to the wall.

I understand that it's ingrained in the psyche of hordes of humans to reflexively hate and fear change but at one point or another you have to realize that you are complaining about a fucking optional cameo.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Kerensky287

Again, show me evidence that they aren't bringing Mordin's VA back. Hard evidence, not some tweet off the webs.

Micheal Beattie has confirmed that he wasn't asked back.

Acting like this cameo is taking away development time from another character is absurd. Either it was planned from relatively early on (in which case it's deeper than you imply), or it's a last-minute addition, and therefore not very detail-intensive.

She's a romanceable character. I'm sure this has been in the works for a while.

Well, you have a po- wait.

Wait. No you don't.

Oh man aren't you a thrilling example of cutting wit

Thane Motherfucking Krios.

Thane Krios was awesome, I don't know what you're talkin' 'bout.

I understand that it's ingrained in the psyche of hordes of humans to reflexively hate and fear change but at one point or another you have to realize that you are complaining about a fucking optional cameo.

Yup!
Someone disagrees with you about an upcoming game you like and has articulated reasons he dislikes the thing you are liking
Someone call the police

[Aerozord]

wait, it just occurred to me, hope I'm not the only one.

but we are talking about how they handle gameplay and story elements, in a game that doesn't even exist yet. A studio can drop the ball on a great idea, or find a way to make a horrible one work. Not to mention this thing doesn't even have a release date yet. They can still make any number of changes