META-Mafia! - Page 8

Geminex · 10-29-2012, 01:41 PM

Well. I am sure glad last night went the way it did. Props to Dracorion for not just letting me lynch him, though obviously this in no way confirms that he is, in fact, town.

That having been said, allow me to shed some light on the events of this night!
Starting with a roleclaim.

I am none other than VeggieGreenz, Faction: Town.
I am a troll in my own way, but rather than outright trolling players, I try to clean up the game by trolling the trolls. I send people hurtful messages and cause 5 damage a night to them. Last night I hit Fenris, dropping him to 5 HP. I believe I told him he smelled like a butt that somebody did a poop on.

How is this useful? Because I have an objective as well! That objective is to kill the troll who is stealing health. That's not in itself useful, except for the fact that I know there is a health-stealing troll. He damages players and then gains health.

And that troll is Aldurin.

Y'see, as I see it, we have three damaging roles and one healing role. I was one of those. Another is unaccounted for, and hit Dracorion in the night. They are probably self-aligned. A third is Aldurin. I know this because, other than Nikose, his is the only health that increased in the night. Nikose, as we know, is confirmed town, so I hardly think we can accuse him of being the life-stealer. He was, however, masoned with the town doctor, who, I presume, can heal by 5 health (since both of the other damaging roles deal 5 damage).

What happened, as I see it, is that scum saw two confirmed townies, and nightkilled one, while life-stealing the other. The same night Ryanderman died, he healed Nikose by 5 HP. If you take those 5 HP, and subtract the two HP that Aldurin gained, things make sense.

I assume that the other damage-dealer is unaligned, because, if he were scum, I think he'd also have hit Nikose.

Ooh, and judging from the fact that Ryanderman has been "trolled to death" via PMs (like I do it!), I think we can take away that Scum deals damage, rather than outright killing. Though I dunno if they limit themselves to 10 damage, or if they can deal more.

In any case, there you have a little speculation, a little fact, and one confirmed troll.

I don't wanna discourage discussion, we should talk about things, but this day needs to end with Aldurin getting banned.

##Vote: Aldurin

Thank you and goodnight.

Nikose Tyris · 10-29-2012, 02:13 PM

See my start of game feelings were BahamutFlare, Geminex and Aldurin.

And BF was scum.

And Geminex is now outing Aldurin. This... this concerns me.

However that is a discussion for tomorrow!

##VOTE: ALDURIN

Geminex · 10-29-2012, 02:17 PM

Quote:

And Geminex is now outing Aldurin. This... this concerns me.

Yes, it must suck to find out that you are falliable! : o

Also we only have 5 votes to lynch, so if we still wanna have discussion, we should be careful. Don't pile on Aldurin unless you wanna end the day.

Nikose Tyris · 10-29-2012, 02:25 PM

I admit to being fallible. I'm often wrong!

However, I'd like to explore the fact that your role names another troll as an objective kill, not necessarily that he's scum; and while you present a fantastic case, what with your roleclaim and your breakdown of the night actions-

no you know what he stole two of the health that was meant for me, he can suck a rock, I'm not going to even try and make a case for him.

Geminex · 10-29-2012, 02:35 PM

Trolls are our mafia faction, though. I only called myself troll because I hurt people with my night powers, a bit of a misnomer there.

Inbred Chocobo · 10-29-2012, 02:58 PM

Hmmmm, I can't really see any holes in Geminex's argument. I mean, if he is bold face lying what does he have to gain, we then just lynch Gem tomorrow and that doesn't help him. The only other way I see that is that Gem has a special victory condition of being lynched on the third day or something, and that this is an elaborate setup, but even then that is a huge leap of logic to just make up on the spots. So I am inclined to believe him here.

##VOTE: ALDURIN

The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk · 10-29-2012, 02:59 PM

Wow, guess I dodged a bullet there, nearly voting for Drac and losing hp because of BF. But yeah, it was inevitable we were going to lose one of our masons last night, though I actually thought it would be Nik since his power at least was confirmed. Guess scum aren't so worried about hp damage as they are unknowns.

On Gems claim, it sounds pretty reasonable. At first I was trying to find a flaw in the logic but the maths is pretty sound, since we have 2 players who were both healed 2 and 3 points respectively, which are slightly unnusual since all other damage done so far is 5. Not saying I fully buy it yet, since there may be some other unkown going on that none of us are aware of, but since Nik is already voting for Al I will probably back him on the lynch later on.

I will also add more info to the pile regarding my own role, because I too have/had a secret objective which is going to make things a little more awkward; my secret objective is/was to kill Nikose. Because apparantly I hate trolls, specifically 1336hax. So I'm a townie who wants another townie dead. Obviously that's not going to happen, since we now know he's on our side, but it does mean that anyone with secret kill objectives should tread carefully, since it seems the people you might be after could be on the same side.

I have obviously foregone my ability to earn more points by killing Nik since he claimed mason early on and I had the power to confirm it, which made it a really awkward objective to go for anyway. I was pretty sure he was my target, since early on he kept talking in leet speak, which fit his character name, but there was still the off chance he was scum. Turned out he wasn't and I had just exposed my kill target as a town.

So yeah... not sure what rpg was going for there but it obviously didn't work out so well. I guess it's part of th "meta" that we're playing 2 games, one where we play mafia and help our team, the other where we stab each other in the back for points, so we should watch out for that.

The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk · 10-29-2012, 03:03 PM

Sorry, meant to say hackers, not trolls, in regards to Nikose there. Nik isn't a troll, since they're the mafia.

Aldurin · 10-29-2012, 03:07 PM

Wha . . . bold move, but dumb. At least now I know who I affected last night.

##Vote: Geminex

Here's my role:
Sw4gg8alls: You think you've got the moves and the style, and like to hijack trolled discussions with witty mockeries of their trolling to take their glory and save the day! And to make things worse you're an admin.
Secret: You steal a random person's power each night but they'll know it was you.
Objective: Outlive the scum.
Faction: Town

I guess how it works is that I am able to access a random PM and utilize it for myself. Last night I was told that I found a PM from a troll that already harmed the recipient, but that I did a counter-reply to the troll quoting his PM in order to take the morale he stole. I wasn't told the name of either person, so all I know is that there is a health stealer and either Nikose, Dracorion or Fenris is the victim.

Given how Gem immediately tried to pin the stealer role on me while claiming to be a troll that helps town, either him or one of his scum buddies (but probably him) is the health stealer. Now they're capitalizing on my gained health to try to run an easy town lynch, which could be easily stomped now that Nikose seems to have voted for me since he wants someone to be butthurt at for only getting 3 HP, and Inbred Chocobo and Hawk seem to be for it (possible scum or just town).

The only other possibility is that Gem is telling the truth too and I ganked the health from someone else entirely, but this is a hard push from him which makes it suspicious.

Nikose Tyris · 10-29-2012, 03:25 PM

And that's what I needed from Aldurin. I only have the capacity to deal 3 points of damage. My power activated randomly (Seriously, no control at all), so I could have been the one who hit Drac or Fenris; but someone else would have hit/drained them too. As I understood it, Ryanderman could only heal for 3 points as well.

Geminex has a solid understanding of the 2 HP drain; I believe that Geminex is the more likely to be scum individual out of our options, and went after Fenris, because Fenris.

##Unvote: Aldurin

##Vote: Geminex

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10-29-2012, 01:41 PM	#71
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	Well. I am sure glad last night went the way it did. Props to Dracorion for not just letting me lynch him, though obviously this in no way confirms that he is, in fact, town. That having been said, allow me to shed some light on the events of this night! Starting with a roleclaim. I am none other than VeggieGreenz, Faction: Town. I am a troll in my own way, but rather than outright trolling players, I try to clean up the game by trolling the trolls. I send people hurtful messages and cause 5 damage a night to them. Last night I hit Fenris, dropping him to 5 HP. I believe I told him he smelled like a butt that somebody did a poop on. How is this useful? Because I have an objective as well! That objective is to kill the troll who is stealing health. That's not in itself useful, except for the fact that I know there is a health-stealing troll. He damages players and then gains health. And that troll is Aldurin. Y'see, as I see it, we have three damaging roles and one healing role. I was one of those. Another is unaccounted for, and hit Dracorion in the night. They are probably self-aligned. A third is Aldurin. I know this because, other than Nikose, his is the only health that increased in the night. Nikose, as we know, is confirmed town, so I hardly think we can accuse him of being the life-stealer. He was, however, masoned with the town doctor, who, I presume, can heal by 5 health (since both of the other damaging roles deal 5 damage). What happened, as I see it, is that scum saw two confirmed townies, and nightkilled one, while life-stealing the other. The same night Ryanderman died, he healed Nikose by 5 HP. If you take those 5 HP, and subtract the two HP that Aldurin gained, things make sense. I assume that the other damage-dealer is unaligned, because, if he were scum, I think he'd also have hit Nikose. Ooh, and judging from the fact that Ryanderman has been "trolled to death" via PMs (like I do it!), I think we can take away that Scum deals damage, rather than outright killing. Though I dunno if they limit themselves to 10 damage, or if they can deal more. In any case, there you have a little speculation, a little fact, and one confirmed troll. I don't wanna discourage discussion, we should talk about things, but this day needs to end with Aldurin getting banned. ##Vote: Aldurin Thank you and goodnight.

10-29-2012, 02:35 PM	#75
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	Trolls are our mafia faction, though. I only called myself troll because I hurt people with my night powers, a bit of a misnomer there.

10-29-2012, 02:58 PM	#76
Inbred Chocobo Bitches love the crown Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: In my happy place! Posts: 3,264	Hmmmm, I can't really see any holes in Geminex's argument. I mean, if he is bold face lying what does he have to gain, we then just lynch Gem tomorrow and that doesn't help him. The only other way I see that is that Gem has a special victory condition of being lynched on the third day or something, and that this is an elaborate setup, but even then that is a huge leap of logic to just make up on the spots. So I am inclined to believe him here. ##VOTE: ALDURIN

10-29-2012, 03:07 PM	#79
Aldurin Lakitu Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 4,648	Wha . . . bold move, but dumb. At least now I know who I affected last night. ##Vote: Geminex Here's my role: Sw4gg8alls: You think you've got the moves and the style, and like to hijack trolled discussions with witty mockeries of their trolling to take their glory and save the day! And to make things worse you're an admin. Secret: You steal a random person's power each night but they'll know it was you. Objective: Outlive the scum. Faction: Town I guess how it works is that I am able to access a random PM and utilize it for myself. Last night I was told that I found a PM from a troll that already harmed the recipient, but that I did a counter-reply to the troll quoting his PM in order to take the morale he stole. I wasn't told the name of either person, so all I know is that there is a health stealer and either Nikose, Dracorion or Fenris is the victim. Given how Gem immediately tried to pin the stealer role on me while claiming to be a troll that helps town, either him or one of his scum buddies (but probably him) is the health stealer. Now they're capitalizing on my gained health to try to run an easy town lynch, which could be easily stomped now that Nikose seems to have voted for me since he wants someone to be butthurt at for only getting 3 HP, and Inbred Chocobo and Hawk seem to be for it (possible scum or just town). The only other possibility is that Gem is telling the truth too and I ganked the health from someone else entirely, but this is a hard push from him which makes it suspicious.