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Unread 06-16-2009, 07:18 PM   #61
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Because there's so very many links being provided in this discussion. I'm the only one not providing evidence.
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Yeah, NASA is totally lying.
Hey look at that, it's one more link than you've put up. How 'bout that.

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I used my education to refute the argument that I was ignorant, and no other. No fallacy applies.
You should try getting an education that refutes your poor reading comprehension.

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Unread 06-16-2009, 07:19 PM   #62
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"Scientists are creating a scare to get grant money."

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If they wanted more money they would say "hey we aren't sure, we need to study this more because of potential dangers." That is not what the National Academies of 11 countries that signed the G-8 joint statement are saying. They are saying we know the dangers, it's time to take action. They are not stalling for more funding.
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Unread 06-16-2009, 07:21 PM   #63
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Especially when it is in our best interest to spend as little as possible.
Why, exactly? Isn't that exactly the kind of thought process that put us into an economic slump that's ten times worse than if the media never caught onto it?

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They just pretend, because there's tons of money being thrown around, and big fancy conferences in cities where prostitution is legal. (Copenhagen's prostitution revenues went through the roof during the last big activism summit, BTW. Just thought you should know where all those tax dollars are going. FOREIGN WHORES.)
Strawmen right to Ad hominem?

Dude what the hell kind of degree did you get cause it sure as hell wasn't in Debate or English.
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Unread 06-16-2009, 07:27 PM   #64
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Unread 06-16-2009, 07:31 PM   #65
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Now, I won't argue on either side here, though I very well could, but I will point out the disdain I have for the lack of respect in this argument. Sure, it's far more than it is elsewhere on the internet, but it's still disgusting how ad hominem keeps making its way into this debate. I'm most surprised at whom the greatest disrespect is coming from. No position is illegitimate if it can be held and argued, so (to no one specific) stop treating your opponent as dead wrong.

You know, I used to wonder why debate was so structured and inflexible. Eventually I figured it out.
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Unread 06-16-2009, 07:33 PM   #66
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"Scientists are creating a scare to get grant money."



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And which courses of action are we going to take? Who is going to determine that? You think there might be some money left over for research? Maybe?

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Why, exactly? Isn't that exactly the kind of thought process that put us into an economic slump that's ten times worse than if the media never caught onto it?
Our current rate of spending is forcing the world credit institutions to examine the prospect of lowering the US credit rating. The economic consequences would be astounding.

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Strawmen right to Ad hominem?

Dude what the hell kind of degree did you get cause it sure as hell wasn't in Debate or English.
Just an interesting aside. I'll try to find the link to this article, as well as the others I'm gathering.

And Fifthfiend, when you are defending an unpopular viewpoint, that doesn't make you a troll. When you have nothing to add to the debate but nasty comments about the other side, that does, in fact, make you a troll.
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Unread 06-16-2009, 07:36 PM   #67
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Just an interesting aside.
Interesting, maybe. Off topic? Completely.
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Unread 06-16-2009, 07:37 PM   #68
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With access to their fossil fuels, these countries could sell the surplus to buy generators that run on a fuel they can afford. They don't have this access, and so they can't.
And then got shafted in the end by big businesses in other countries.

I suppose my response to this point didn't have a lot to do with global warming, and a lot more to do with some of the follies in capitalistic policy.

Then again, that should have been apparent by my last two sentences.
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Yeah, no. There's been work going on for many years to try and find alternative power sources, but no one can come up with a way to make them sustainable. The scientists are still working on a way to make things like wind and solar power viable on a large scale, but they're too costly and inefficient.
From everything I've read, that's mostly been bullshit fudged by big businesses to allow them to keep selling fuel and making money.

More specifically, the practical testing was purposely gimped to create tests that would show alternative methods to be inefficient.

It's similar to the auto industries purposely stunting their own growth to keep making a profit.
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If it's an energy efficiency issue, let's make it an energy efficiency issue. I'm cool with that. I'm all for developing more energy sources. My issue is with global warming, and all the hysteria and scientific dishonesty and real human cost that goes along with it.
I'm glad we agree on this.
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It's people like you who kill science, and I think you should have your computer taken away for this.
More specifically, it's people like me that make a politician. I guess I'm just beyond the point of believing that if you give people a pile of facts that they can actually make something out of it, so there has to be some sensationalist bullshit to provide a catalyst.

Also, your second sentence hardly makes any point you're making endearing. If you're going to insult my ideas, make the insult at least related to your complaint.


Also, just going to mention, that you're using some of the more bullshit online arguments I've ever seen. I mean, even Fifthfiend is looking more convincing, and he's just hollering and insulting people. You really shouldn't be confused as to why you're seen as a troll.
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Unread 06-16-2009, 07:39 PM   #69
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Just an interesting aside.
Bullshit. You specifically and intentionally said it to discredit the 'corrupt' scientists. Cripes - every time someone points something out and adds "I'm just saying," they are doing it ironically.
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Our current rate of spending is forcing the world credit institutions to examine the prospect of lowering the US credit rating. The economic consequences would be astounding.
Except that the foremost thing the US Government can do in the cases of an economic slump is to create jobs that will be temporary on a several-year basis so they can be slowly withdrawn when the economy gets back on its feet.

Like, you know, green energy construction. Something that's temporary.
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Unread 06-16-2009, 07:39 PM   #70
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