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Unread 06-16-2009, 07:40 PM   #71
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This is a bit misleading. Oxygen in no way balances out CO2. There is no dichotomy there. The questions are, whether or not CO2 is a driver in climate change (it has never been shown to be so), whether mankind's emissions of CO2 are causing significant harm (in light of the previous answer, clearly not), and whether actions to counteract the release of CO2 have negative consequences (very much so).
I admit I worded it to seem like a perfect dichotomy. I could have expanded by saying the point is, we're putting out CO2 that no plant or bacteria is going to convert back to oxygen, so it's just going to sit there in the atmosphere. With natural sources of CO2, there ARE countering natural sinks.


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As an illustration of just how fast the change is happening, show me shots of the polar ice caps every year, from, say, 2005 onward. Go on. The University of Illinois has them available on their site.
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Over the past several decades, the strongest warming in the Northern Hemisphere has indeed occurred in the Arctic, and sea ice has retreated farther than ever before in the historical record. Glaciers are retreating throughout the Arctic, and permafrost is thawing. Residents of the Arctic are experiencing shorter winters and longer summers, growing seasons are lengthening, and forest fires are becoming more widespread during drier summers.
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Recent observed surface air temperature changes over the Arctic region are the largest in the world. Winter (DJF) rates of warming exceed 4 degrees C. over portions of the Arctic land areas (shown left). We provide Arctic temperature trends and changes of other primary surface variables (e.g., sea level pressure, precipitation, sea ice cover) archived in this climate summary, portions of which are published each year in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society.
(And the several papers I skimmed on the site by Dr. John Walsh confirmed an expected warming of both the Arctic and Antartica during the 21st century.

Or maybe we should just check on the best meteorologists in the world...

Except the University of Oklahoma School of Meteorology seems to focus almost all of its research efforts on the continental US, though a hundred times while browsing their website they have research focus on "effects of the US due to changing climate."


If we want to attack catastrophic effects of global warming we can just consider cloud cover. Models don't really know how clouds will react to climate change, and a few percentages extra or less clouds is enough to raise or lower the Albedo effect enough to negate/amplify CO2 effects.

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Never mind I found the pictures at the Illinois website. The website where they catalogue the subsequent loss of Arctic sea ice every single year including 2009.

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Unread 06-16-2009, 07:41 PM   #72
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Interesting, maybe. Off topic? Completely.
This entire global warming chat has been off topic.
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Unread 06-16-2009, 07:42 PM   #73
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You really shouldn't be confused as to why you're seen as a troll.
I'm not. I'm really not. People want to believe this crap, and so hoot and scream and shake the branch whenever anybody questions it. I'm being pretty civil in my actual arguments. Your post is the only one where I actually said anything nasty about the contents, because you actively said you didn't care about the truth. For the rest, I'm just defending myself where people are attacking me for daring to disagree with them.
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Unread 06-16-2009, 07:42 PM   #74
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This entire global warming chat has been off topic.
That's why we changed the topic.
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Unread 06-16-2009, 07:43 PM   #75
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This whole global warming thing is off topic
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Quick derail to dismantle anti-global warming thought.
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For the rest, I'm just defending myself where people are attacking me for daring to disagree with them.
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Unread 06-16-2009, 07:44 PM   #76
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That's why we changed the topic.
Noted.

Why do I keep fucking doing that?

I'm just going to start spoiler texting everything I type, then curl up in a fetal position under my bed.

But honestly, Fifth started this whole troll war...thing.
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Unread 06-16-2009, 07:44 PM   #77
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That's why we changed the topic.
I wanted to change it to reflect that it was now a Godhand party but Fenris got upset.
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Unread 06-16-2009, 07:46 PM   #78
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This party's over man. Somebody's pregnant, the family's favorite vase is broken, and there's vomit all over the bathroom floor.

And we all know who to blame. Bob. :shifty:
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Unread 06-16-2009, 07:47 PM   #79
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