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Unread 05-11-2011, 04:43 PM   #141
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I could blame this thread, I could blame a million other things, but it was all my fault, and y'know, I can deal with that. So yeah, I was in the wrong for posting that Fenris. I probably could have phrased all or any of that better, but since I'm at a loss as to how to do that, exactly, I'll just apologize for it.
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Unread 05-11-2011, 04:44 PM   #142
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Unread 05-11-2011, 04:51 PM   #143
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Guys, someone just apologized on the internet.

I don't think we have a protocol for this. My Google front page is just examples of people saying "Don't do it" and "It never happens."

I'm not even sure where I am anymore.
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Unread 05-11-2011, 04:56 PM   #144
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Unread 05-11-2011, 05:08 PM   #145
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I suppose I should stop making jokes and just put in my two cents, whatever that is worth (hint: exactly two pennies)

As a whole, communication is a rather messy affair. If I fuck up V-For-Victory in the UK or give a thumbs up to a Persian I'm liable to offend and anger this person not even meaning it. As the offender I've interrupted an otherwise fine social interaction and should apologize and indicate that the offense wasn't meant. Now, whether or not the person should have been offended, to me, is beside the point. I don't control them, only me, and my control over myself is tenuous at best.

Therefore, as a pragmatic means of enhancing communication, avoiding offense whenever possible should be preferred.

Now, in terms of my own reaction, I take a words are words approach and try not to get offended. Then again, as a white male in the US. There isn't much to be offended by.

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Unread 05-11-2011, 05:17 PM   #146
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Here's what I don't get, like at all. Why do people think that getting mad and insulting people will help them AT ALL on the internet? Not to single Snake out, but this post here made me wonder this:

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The persistent NonCon bashing is starting to get really annoying, like seriously the next time I see someone pull that shit I'm going to fly off the handle annoying, and it's been happening in way too many threads that have no correlation whatsoever with NonCon.
This post is being used as an example, there are a ton of other posts in many threads threatening the same things or DEMONSTRATING the same things, by many other people.

There is literally no logic in flying off the handle on the internet. Less than the lack of logic there is in real life. You fly off the handle, the person you fly off the handle at is all, "Wow, what a moron", and nothing is accomplished. You can't INTIMIDATE someone that way, unless you're trying to give off the impression that you're crazy and will track them down if they don't stop immediately, which I doubt anyone is trying to do. And it's not even like real life where in a real conversation, you have to react RIGHT THEN during the heat of the moment. If their actions are upsetting you, you can cool off and then respond, or you can just NOT respond, and no one will know that you never responded to them.

The whole concept of yelling at someone via a forum is incredibly silly, because the whole idea is: Yelling is not something you want to do ever, because it makes you look like a fool, and as soon as you start throwing insults, you've lost the argument. Both sides can lose an argument. In real life, people do it because they're caught up in the heat of the moment, but no moments exist on a forum.

Edit: Like, I don't always do this since I'm not perfect, but generally when people are saying things that I find stupid or offensive or upsetting or whatever, I just ignore the thread for awhile, until I feel like I can come back to it without taking anything personally. If people are going out of their way to make the thread personal, I'll generally just try to avoid the thread, and to be fair at the people making statements about Noncon, I've left threads 100% because he's started making things personal at someone, and it's just a waste of time and emotion to bother slogging through it anymore, or to try to respond.
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Unread 05-11-2011, 05:23 PM   #147
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I suppose I'm grateful I was away while this topic ran its course.
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And it's pretty clearly obvious to any idiot who can read american english that he did commit the offense for which he was banned, unless the username NonCon doesn't mean NonCon but means bizarro NonCon, in which case I demand the presence of a mustache.
I think he made a "Nocnon" not too long ago...?
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Unread 05-11-2011, 05:27 PM   #148
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@Loyal: Let's pretend you didn't pretend my post didn't happen and not drag up old things that have already been taken care of, okay?

If you REALLY wanted to say that to him, it seems like it would be more appropriate for a PM or IM conversation.
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Unread 05-11-2011, 06:05 PM   #149
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rpgdemon: At the risk of going into too much specifics over stuff that's already played its course I'm...somewhat surprised you picked my comment defending NonCon as an example of "getting mad or insulting people on the internet" as opposed to, y'know, the post that actually insulted NonCon and that actually triggered my response.

By contrast, I feel that my post was comparatively tame insofar as it did not single any particular forumite out. There's a difference between offense and defense, y'know, or like a difference between offending someone and saying that people ought not to offend someone.
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Unread 05-11-2011, 06:10 PM   #150
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rpgdemon: At the risk of going into too much specifics over stuff that's already played its course I'm...somewhat surprised you picked my comment defending NonCon as an example of "getting mad or insulting people on the internet" as opposed to, y'know, the post that actually insulted NonCon and that actually triggered my response.

By contrast, I feel that my post was comparatively tame insofar as it did not single any particular forumite out. There's a difference between offense and defense, y'know, or like a difference between offending someone and saying that people ought not to offend someone.
Nah, it wasn't so much that you were getting mad/insulting people, so much as it was that the post was easy to use as an example, because you were outlining the process of getting mad, and as such it was the one that sparked the thought. I didn't mean any insult in using yours as the example, and I'm sorry if I did cause any, because it wasn't meant as an example of getting mad, so much as the thought process behind getting mad, which was easier to address than just picking a random post going, "BLARGH I AM ANGRY", and going, "Look at this guy. He's mad! That's silly."

I actually meant to avoid singling anyone out as being angry by using your post as an example, since you seemed to outline the exact thought process that a lot of people go through, and it was that thought process that I was interested in remarking upon, not the fact that someone was angry. And you didn't seem angry.
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