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Unread 07-01-2011, 01:26 AM   #111
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If you want a take on this...both Parties suck and are right and wrong.
I hate it when self-professed liberals engage in this deprecation in an attempt to seem "fair and balanced" in their loathing.

There is no equivalency between Democrats and Republicans. You don't win free points in 'moderation' simply by repeating a maxim that Democrats are merely a lesser evil.
That's not to say that Democrats are perfect, but anyone who says "The party who concedes that Global Warming exists, doesn't mind the very existence of LGBT individuals, does not receive visceral thrills merely from being in war, does not obscenely favor corporations in every imaginable circumstance, does not support a widening gap between the rich and poor, and does not decry the rights of those who look and act differently than they do" has any symmetrical or comparable responsibility for America's wanton debauchery is someone who's lost their mind.
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Unread 07-01-2011, 01:55 AM   #112
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I hate it when self-professed liberals engage in this deprecation in an attempt to seem "fair and balanced" in their loathing.

There is no equivalency between Democrats and Republicans. You don't win free points in 'moderation' simply by repeating a maxim that Democrats are merely a lesser evil.
That's not to say that Democrats are perfect, but anyone who says "The party who concedes that Global Warming exists, doesn't mind the very existence of LGBT individuals, does not receive visceral thrills merely from being in war, does not obscenely favor corporations in every imaginable circumstance, does not support a widening gap between the rich and poor, and does not decry the rights of those who look and act differently than they do" has any symmetrical or comparable responsibility for America's wanton debauchery is someone who's lost their mind.
No, you see, the Democratic Party ENABLES the Republican Party. They do a circular dance with each other and nothing every really changes for the better because they are both in on it together inside the pockets of their corporate interests.

The Dems never use their power so the Republicans roll over them and end up pissing people off so they vote Dem and the Dems never use their power so the Republicans roll over them and end up pissing people off so they vote Dem and the Dems never use their power so the Republicans roll over them and end up pissing people off so they vote Dem and the Dems never use their power so the Republicans roll over them and end up pissing people off so they vote Dem and the Dems never use their power so the Republicans roll over them and end up pissing people off so they vote Dem and the Dems never use their power so the Republicans roll over them and end up pissing people off so they vote Dem and the Dems never use their power so the Republicans roll over them and end up pissing people off so they vote Dem and the Dems never use their power so the Republicans roll over them and end up pissing people off so they vote Dem and the Dems never use their power so the Republicans roll over them and end up pissing people off so they vote Dem and the Dems never use their power so the Republicans roll over them and end up pissing people off so they vote Dem and the Dems never use their power so the Republicans roll over them and end up pissing people off so they vote Dem and...
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Unread 07-02-2011, 01:08 AM   #113
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Globally, the democrats are center right, politically. I'm pretty sure that's about as far to the opposite of 'extreme left' as you can get without actually being republican. Or fascist. Or libertarian.

Right and left dichotomies are dumb. You really need a plane, more than a line.

Beside the point, though.

'Socialist' party would be extreme. Green is certainly 'more' extreme than the Dems.
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Unread 07-02-2011, 02:36 AM   #114
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lol? Isn't she always going on about being a dragon? They live forever seemingly, at least until a bunch of dwarves and a hobbit show up.
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Unread 07-02-2011, 02:48 AM   #115
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The only good thing about Democrats is they happen to be paid by lobbyists representing unions which ostensibly represent somebody actually ostensibly doing some work somewhere. Unions are more likely to represent the lower 95% than the top 5%, basically. So it might be chance that Democrats are less evil rather than that they are good people. I'm sure a few of them got into politics hoping to make stuff better though. Like Bernie Sanders seems like a cool guy. Actually he's an Independent--and on the socialist side of things (I think he is the first Independent to not be on the far right but on the far left in recent memory), not like that asshole Lieberman who became an Independent so he could basically be a Republican.

I just find people like Joe Lieberman despicable. Like, take Ron Paul. I basically don't agree with any of his economic policies and probably his basic outlook on life half the time. But I can kind of respect the man. He's honest and actually seems to use his philosophy and beliefs to make all his decisions rather than always being self-serving. He doesn't favor subsidies for giant corporations just like he doesn't believe in welfare for poor people. He believes a hundred percent in the first amendment (to a fault, of course) and favors getting out of Afghanistan and so on. I disagree with him on probably 80% of what he says but he is not despicable like people like Joe Lieberman, Blue Dog Democrats, and 99% of Republicans.
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Unread 07-02-2011, 03:49 AM   #116
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lol? Isn't she always going on about being a dragon?
Only with tongue planted firmly in cheek, I assure you.
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Unread 07-02-2011, 10:36 AM   #117
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How are the Democrats anything even resembling extreme?

Please explain this to me.
If Democrats are anything they're typecast.

If they're too far to the left, they're radical.

If they support healthcare for all, they're Socialist.

If they enforce mandatory healthcare, they're Communist.

If they want to legalize marijuana, they're hippies.

If they do anything that goes against centrist politics, the net result is that there's little chance they won't hear about it, instead arguing for a balance that doesn't exist. Let's face it, they're Repub. Lite.
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Unread 07-02-2011, 01:16 PM   #118
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Watching the debt ceiling negotiations sometimes feels like watching that scene in Blazing Saddles where the sherrif holds a gun to his own head, except if the Sherrif were the dumbest, smuggest, fake-tannedest rich white guy who ever lived, and also if shooting himself in the head would ALSO kill THE ENTIRE COUNTRY.
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Unread 07-02-2011, 09:51 PM   #119
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Short answer, no. Considering the liberal leanings of this forum that would just be inviting a rather pointless argument. Besides many of my views align more with what modern democratic party represents so I am bias. That being said I have no doubt there are perfectly reasonable and understanding individuals that still view what I see as reasonable as being too far into the opposite extreme.

In other words, I do not think I have the perspective to answer that question. Nor am I so arrogant to think that the party I most heavily lean to is entirely in the right just because they agree with me.
It's an easy question all in all. Even if you were a communist you would have to agree that violent takeover of the state and distributing the means of production is an extreme position. However, being that Democrats are a Big Tent that includes the far left and the center right, and being that the current climate is so far right that GOP ideas about healthcare in 1994 now amount to socialistic takeovers.

Democrats have been a party of big tent compromise since they lost the Christian vote during the Civil Rights Era, and as such have only been holding in the best of times and losing in all other times, progressive programs enacted under LBJ and FDR. Reagan, being that he raised taxes in his presidency, is in this climate all together too liberal to be elected by any standard in the GOP. While extremes in ideology exist in the Democratic party, in the GOP they are the norm. If politics were a seesaw the Democrats would be the fulcrum, not the other side.
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Unread 07-02-2011, 10:03 PM   #120
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Like, take Ron Paul. I basically don't agree with any of his economic policies and probably his basic outlook on life half the time. But I can kind of respect the man. He's honest and actually seems to use his philosophy and beliefs to make all his decisions rather than always being self-serving. He doesn't favor subsidies for giant corporations just like he doesn't believe in welfare for poor people. He believes a hundred percent in the first amendment (to a fault, of course) and favors getting out of Afghanistan and so on. I disagree with him on probably 80% of what he says but he is not despicable like people like Joe Lieberman, Blue Dog Democrats, and 99% of Republicans.
Except that Paul is one of the biggest abusers of earmarks in congress. His racket is that he claims to oppose them, tacks them onto legislation that will invariably pass no matter what he does, then votes against the legislation on the basis that it had too much wasteful pork barrel spending and enjoys his millions of federal tax dollars for whatever the fuck he wants to do with it, and the small government folks eat it right up.

The man is a massive con artist.
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