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Unread 06-29-2011, 12:06 AM   #1
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The law's backers have long argued that the law would become popular just as soon as the public started to see its benefits. But more than a year after its passage, they're still struggling to convincingly explain just what those benefits are.

There is, however, one class of people to whom they probably don't have to explain anything. It's one of the few classes that's already doing quite well off of the law's existence: health policy consultants and lawyers—especially those advising state governments on how exactly to implement the law. Via Sarah Kliff at Politico:
Yeah... EVERYONE saw this coming, seeing as how Obama was the prime candidate to come from the political background of the Senate. We seriously need some new blood in the political system, that's neither Democrat or Republican.

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Unread 06-29-2011, 12:11 AM   #2
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In fairness more than a year after its passage most of the law hasn't actually become law yet.

In unfairness it was always plainly fucking stupid to have all the important provisions of the law become law after the 2012 election.
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Unread 06-30-2011, 08:28 PM   #3
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I believe the benefit was not being left to die penniless of cancer just because you make minimum wage. BUT THAT'S JUST ONE BENEFIT, I GUESS.

My problem with politicians who bitch about Obamacare is that they are mostly the same politicians who gutted it and made it into a subsidized health insurance program instead of a single-payer, Medicare-for-all type program.

They are also the same ones hiring these lawyers in an attempt to figure out a way they can get out of implementing the Obamacare that did get passed or trying to figure out how to argue it is unconstitutional or defund it, come up with their own state health care plan that pretends to be as good but is actually worse and costs them less so they can keep spending money on their salaries, etc.

Notice it says "advising state governments on how exactly to implement the law"--these are the states/governors that are trying to get out of implementing it as it is written.

If they had cut the middle man of insurance companies out of the mix, it would have saved billions of dollars. But unfortunately they had to go with the system that makes big private health corporations the most money.

EDIT: Also a site named "Reason.com" seems like the internet equivalent of a person infatuated with smelling their own farts.
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Unread 06-30-2011, 09:45 PM   #4
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In utter seriousness, Obamacare is a pretty heinous coinage in itself. What's the meaning of the term, exactly? It's not a pun, as far as I can see. Someone just thought: hey, lets append the name of the guy directly on the term we use to call the policy, because hey, furrein sounding name.
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Unread 06-30-2011, 10:25 PM   #5
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It's to associate it with someone that lots of voters don't like, Obama.

They don't like him because he is black and has a foreign sounding name and is a "commie liberal", but technically the name sounding foreign wasn't why they appended it to the national healthcare plan. They appended the name of the man who is hated because he has a foreign sounding name to associate the plan inextricably with him in the minds of the people who hate him because of his foreign sounding name. Technically they could have (and probably did) call it Hitlercare, but not because Hitler is a foreign sounding name but because it is the name of a man people hate because he was a massmurdering psychopath. At least this is why they came up with the term "death panels" to evoke Hitler's policy of eugenics.

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Unread 06-30-2011, 10:31 PM   #6
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the whole reason these consultants are making so much money is because of how stupidly complex the law is. This should be a giant red flag as to why we need a simple "health care for everyone" system like you know EVERY OTHER DEVELOPED NATION ON THE PLANET
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Aero, obviously using government subsidies paid for through taxes to buy private insurance for people to pay doctors, is way easier than paying doctors with taxes. SO MUCH EASIER THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY DID AFTER A YEAR OF HATRED, BILE, AND MURDEROUS RAGE

That's why they want to change Medicare, too. It's such a complicated system, this whole "pay doctors with taxes" thing.
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Unread 07-01-2011, 01:43 AM   #8
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It's to associate it with someone that lots of voters don't like, Obama.
They probably wouldn't have driven that hard at the whole anti-cult of the personality thing if he didn't have a "foreign sounding name" and if he wasn't black.
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Unread 07-01-2011, 01:58 AM   #9
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Jagos, I've stopped keeping count. After your third or fourth politician scandal/receding rights thread I've just stopped keeping score. Tell me who the Americans should vote for and I`ll argue for them.
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Unread 07-01-2011, 07:10 AM   #10
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Jagos, I've stopped keeping count. After your third or fourth politician scandal/receding rights thread I've just stopped keeping score. Tell me who the Americans should vote for and I`ll argue for them.
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That's the entire point in showing things like this. It's supposed to be your choice. It's to highlight that Americans really aren't given a choice in who they want in politics. It's clear that I would vote for Ron Paul (Rand is a little bitch, but that's another story), or even a third party candidate because our two party system absolutely SUCKS at representing the little people. I would want someway to allow people to vote for up to three choices in their elections, and have the winner be the person with 51% of the vote. I would like to stop this red vs blue nonsense because politics are not TF 2. Politics has become nothing more than a numbers game for people obsessed that the old system works the best.

If there were any way to offer people a fair chance, I'm all for it. That's all I can truly advocate.
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