The Campaign Against Porn

[The Wandering God]

Does pornography affect your behavior? Is it adverse or positive? Or does it not affect you at all?

Is porn itself bad, or just the viewing of it?

Is this a bill about explotation? Or about freedom of speech vs religious censorship?

Two (or more) consenting adults decide to do something together. Money is given to do this. Then it is shown to others. The only difference between movies and pornography is the subject matter. And the main reason to be against pornography is religious concerns. A crime is something that infringes on the rights of others. If everyone is of able mind and has the ability to comphend is consenting, then no crime occurs.

Records should be kept, but not retroactively. It's (as above user said) unconstitional.

So, yeah. It makes me uncomfortable sometimes to know that large groups of people gather to listen to one man give an interpretation of a book and to follow his instructions implicity, but I don't even want to come anywhere close to suggesting that it be stopped. Just because it makes me uncomfortable does not make it wrong. And it certainly doesn't make it illegal.

The Wandering God

[Nique]

Isn't this a personal choice, though?

At least as much as anything else is.

However, I can see the argument that this leap is a fundamentally tantalising one for humans; too tantalising for its existence to be valid, and thus, it is a succubus of sorts.

In a way. Without touching relgious ground, I think there's something to be said from a purely social viewpoint about satisfying sexuality in monogamous relationships... The princeples of that philosophy would extend to whom you did or did not allow your sexual attention to be directed at, e.g. subjects of pr0n.

Is this not the point of video-games? Video-games are escapism, and so is porn, at least most of it (you could argue the same for games). And if the only true issue with video-games is being mature enough to distinguish between fantasy and reality (most sensible people), then the only true issue with porn is the same.

I belive that there are differances in what each form of entertainment is appealing to in the human mind. There is no basic function or need that I posses which I can directly associate with video games. Pr0n is different. It directly arouses and enhances an already strong, very natural, desire. So much so to the point of addiction in varying levels and forms.

However, you do make a point there I agree with, albiet probably not the one you intended. Any entertainment can be somewhat habit forming, and something that catches your attention like games and pr0n, even moreso. They are similar in their level of involvment, although I'd say it's in fairly different ways.

Does pornography affect your behavior? Is it adverse or positive? Or does it not affect you at all?

I would say yes. I think it would cuase, in most induviduals, a certain unrealistic expectation of what sex with their (potential) partners should be like, and how often they would expect it.

This kind of goes into locke's video game comparison - Which makes it look like, 'oh, well, as long as I don't get TOO obbsessed with pr0n, then it won't have any effect on me'. But I don't think enough people who do view pr0n do so only very, very occansionally (primarily men). Rather, like I said earlier, it seems to become a habitual thing. I think it's damaging to relationships, and also to the induvidual as they learn to rely on images and videos for this paticular need, rather than human companionship.

Is porn itself bad, or just the viewing of it?

This question, it confuses me... I'm not sure you could say one was bad/good, and not say the same thing about the other...

Anyway, as a legal issue, this whole thing is done-up all wrong. If this was a bill passed about child-labor laws, it wouldn't be nearly as sloppy.

[Kaelus]

Originally Posted by Nique

Viewing Pr0n doesn't make you less 'horny' overall, it just increases the frequency of the chemicals that cause sexual desire in the first place. So, now, instead of just thinking about it once in a while, it becomes an addiction/obession.

I don't know, I'd rather give my cousin a Playboy magazine than have him staring at my chest all the time. I also noticed people are more aggressive if they're deprived of that kind pf physical needs, but that's just me.

And not in all cases pornography has addictive effects. I believe that people are able to cope with their sexuality in a way that it won't bother anybody around them. This also includes the ability of not being illuded by situations depicted on websites or magazines and moderating the use of such things.

Considering the fact that most people are idiotic, this can be an extremely rare situation, but I'm still expeting it to happen.

[bolevar321]

... Ok. I am very much against child pornography.
Y'see, the thing is, requiring this documentation is kinda stupid. A person can claim to have this documentation locked up in their house, and you know what? Nobody can dispute it. Police need probable cause to obtain a warrant to search areas not in plain sight. That means they need to be 99% sure there's been a violation already. If they hear rumors, and see a picture of a youthful appearing model, it's not enough. That's hearsay, and inconclusive evidence (unless they can produce the model in question.) The police can't even try the whole "he was suspiciously guarding us from searching the area" bit, because the person can claim to be protecting the model's privacy. Again, I'm against kiddie porn, but they're going about preventing it the wrong way.

[Nique]

I don't know, I'd rather give my cousin a Playboy magazine than have him staring at my chest all the time.

But I'd be willing to bet you'd rather see him in a healthy romantic relationship that he can (responsibly) focus his sexual attention on, without the need to obsess over countless airbrushed models, or stare at anyone's chest... or at least no one whom doesn't wish there chest to be stared at... Point being, what he needs is not a quick fix from his playboy mags.

Also, as a personal tip - be wary of who you let know that you posses a chest anyone might consider worth staring at... Most of us are not creepy about that kind of thing, but we are online after all.

I also noticed people are more aggressive if they're deprived of that kind pf physical needs, but that's just me.

I don't agree. In an immediate sense, perhaps, but not overall. Deprived of a drug to the point of rehabilitation, the person is generally speaking, calmer. If sex is an obbsession for someone, the same thing could be said. I think any aggressiveness that is so acute that it puts anyone around the person in danger, speaks to a bigger problem.

And not in all cases pornography has addictive effects. I believe that people are able to cope with their sexuality in a way that it won't bother anybody around them. This also includes the ability of not being illuded by situations depicted on websites or magazines and moderating the use of such things.

Considering the fact that most people are idiotic, this can be an extremely rare situation, but I'm still expeting it to happen.

Let me put my viewpoint this way; Humans have sexual needs. It's scientific, and despite opinions to the contrary, it's even religious. It's obviously pleasurable, and it's meant to happen. Like all such things, however, sexuality can be overused, underused, or misused. Since it is SUCH a strong desire, I personally find it better to restrain it, control it, so that it may be used responsibly. Viewing pr0n, and even masturbating, would not help anyone do this, but rather, those things have the greatest potential to 'boost the signal', so to speak, making sexual urges more difficult to control.

That's not to say that anyone who ever has done those things (most people) is inable to control their sexuality, if they want to at all. However, those who make an effort to fulfill their 'needs' only in relationships based on more than JUST sex (so, yeah that excludes one-night-stands) typically stand a better chance of doing just that.

[Funka Genocide]

Originally Posted by Nique

But I'd be willing to bet you'd rather see him in a healthy romantic relationship that he can (responsibly) focus his sexual attention on, without the need to obsess over countless airbrushed models, or stare at anyone's chest... or at least no one whom doesn't wish there chest to be stared at... Point being, what he needs is not a quick fix from his playboy mags.

Who said anything about needs? Orgasm is not a physical necessity, it's like a bonus round in Street Fighter 2 where you get to bash an old corvette to pieces with your bare hands. It's just plain fun with no real purpose.

except maybe bonus points...

Sex and orgasm, in the context of this discussion, are leisure activities, not all consuming biological urges that cannot be ignored, as such one can decide how they wish to fulfill their desires however they please. If they fulfill them at all.

So you're right in a sense, he doesn't need a quick fix, he wants one.

Originally Posted by Nique

Let me put my viewpoint this way; Humans have sexual needs. It's scientific, and despite opinions to the contrary, it's even religious. It's obviously pleasurable, and it's meant to happen. Like all such things, however, sexuality can be overused, underused, or misused. Since it is SUCH a strong desire, I personally find it better to restrain it, control it, so that it may be used responsibly. Viewing pr0n, and even masturbating, would not help anyone do this, but rather, those things have the greatest potential to 'boost the signal', so to speak, making sexual urges more difficult to control.

I have no idea what you're on about their Nique. heh

If you're suggesting that orgasm is addictive to the point of driving a person to irrational activity to attain it, you're starting to sound a bit crazy yourself.

Masturbation is not crack. It's not dangerous and it doesn't lead to an uncontrollable sexual deviancy. It doesn't make you grow hair on your palms and you won't go blind if you do it too many times.

Also, God doesn't kill a kitten everytime you do it, he reserves the feline murder only for scat porn usage.

You seem to be pushing this monogamy or bust angle pretty hard, and that's all well and good, but the simple fact that you prefer that to porn has no bearing on what should be legal. It doesn't change the fact that porn is entertaining and fun. And it really has nothing to do with the continued existence of porn. This bill is a bid by current lawmakers to appease an irrational populace. It's placing dogmatic morals above logical, legal proceeedings and trying to pontificate through legislation.

and everytime I have to read the word pr0n my head hurts a little...

I'd also like to point out that not everyone is able to participate in a meaningful monogmaous relationship. Whether its the fact that they are hideously ugly or completely socially inept or they live in a deserted bomb shelter which miraculously has internet access, the fact is that everyone wants and deserves a good old fashioned orgasm. The world isn't some idyllic fantasyland where everyone finds that "special someone" and falls madly in love. It just doesn't work that way and no matter how more appealing you find monogamy to be it isn't going to change the fact that there are horny people out there without a snowballs chance in hell of ever getting laid.

have some compassion man!

[Krylo]

I would say yes. I think it would cuase, in most induviduals, a certain unrealistic expectation of what sex with their (potential) partners should be like, and how often they would expect it.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you've said you're a virgin quite a few times. ...So what would you kno about what are unrealistic expectations?

In all reality, porn helps me create actual situations. For instance I'll be browsing along when I'm looking to get off without anyone around, and I'll see a position I haven't tried. I'll be all like "Huh, I'd kinda like to try that." Then I do. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. A few of my favorite positions are awkward enough to get into that I'd never have thought of them without porn.

But I'd be willing to bet you'd rather see him in a healthy romantic relationship that he can (responsibly) focus his sexual attention on, without the need to obsess over countless airbrushed models, or stare at anyone's chest... or at least no one whom doesn't wish there chest to be stared at... Point being, what he needs is not a quick fix from his playboy mags.

Well, I don't know what Kaelus would rather, but given a choice between my little cousins wanking or fucking, I'd pick wanking. And, yes, if they're in a romantic relationship it's going to eventually lead to sex at younger ages nine times out of ten... and at older ages the statistics aren't much better, really, even though people have more control, it's also more acceptable.

It's obviously pleasurable, and it's meant to happen. Like all such things, however, sexuality can be overused, underused, or misused. Since it is SUCH a strong desire, I personally find it better to restrain it, control it, so that it may be used responsibly.

Have fun with your prostate cancer.

[Toilet Rancor]

Probably everyone here agrees that child porn is bad so i'll just talk about the legal kind.

I think the only time pornography can become "bad" is when it finds its way into the hands of the wrong people, such as children, irresponsible parents, the highly impressionable, and the criminally insane. In most cases though, if an adult person is incapable of viewing porn without it influencing him to do bad things, he/she was probably a lost cause to begin with. The problem is that there's no 100% effective way to make sure porn only goes to the right people. Still thats no reason for such an attack on an industry that provides entertainment and release for millions of people all over the country. I don't see them attacking knife vendors to keep people from getting stabbed. :p

I'd like to see it become less accessable on the internet though. I could be searching for something like dvd burning software and porn ads start popping up everywhere. It makes me scared to ever have kids.

[Kuponutmog]

I don't see why porn is seen as such a bad thing really. It provides jobs for many mentally-inactive models and perverted men, and provides entertainment for many people. Leave it be, i say.

[Lockeownzj00]

But I'd be willing to bet you'd rather see him in a healthy romantic relationship that he can (responsibly) focus his sexual attention on, without the need to obsess over countless airbrushed models, or stare at anyone's chest... or at least no one whom doesn't wish there chest to be stared at... Point being, what he needs is not a quick fix from his playboy mags.

A: I want to go to that concert, Friday.
B: Why not just listen to the CD?

The two events are for different situations.

I don't agree. In an immediate sense, perhaps, but not overall. Deprived of a drug to the point of rehabilitation, the person is generally speaking, calmer. If sex is an obbsession for someone, the same thing could be said. I think any aggressiveness that is so acute that it puts anyone around the person in danger, speaks to a bigger problem.

Being high-strung and stressed out from lack of a sex life or sexual release isn't a theory, it's a known phenomena.

It's scientific, and despite opinions to the contrary, it's even religious.

Somehow God has touched even my phallus? Is nothing sacred?