Soldiers of Light: Mafia

[Bailey]

See, now this is where your logic falls apart.

If you're wrong about there being another cultist then either the game continues because there's still a threat which is not a cultist, or the game ends because somebody has some sort of screwy secret role like "you win and everybody else loses if there are only three other players left"

See, that's the thing about secret roles, the only way to know what they do is to investigate, or kill the person.

Secret roles could be anything.


I think it's best to be safe and get rid of Arhra now.

[Arhra]

Or did you consider the possibility that if I'm wrong about there being another cultist that the townies would win the game due to a lack of remaining threats? I find your attempts to pin suspicion on me quite amusing.

I already know Iowa is almost certainly the last cultist. You gave him away yourself Newb. Once you're gone, only he will be left.

[Bailey]

Arhra, you're forgetting one thing.

One cultist by themselves is not a threat!

Even if they were to manage to manipulate votes, they're hardly going to get the last person to vote for themselves!

I revealed myself because I was in a position to distribute information that would save an innocent person and increase the chances of a mafiate being lynched so that the game could end faster.

Now, I'm suddenly the center of suspicion.

I'm convinced that you have some sort of power that allows you to steal the win away from the townies either after a certain number of turns into the game or when there are a certain number of people left, although I find the first more likely for the simple reason that otherwise the voting would have no reason to continue.

Even assuming that Iowa is also a cultist, there's no reason to continue the game on our account, since we have no means to gain the majority. A cult without a leader could be defeated simply by a continuous vote of no-lynch!

Obviously there is somebody still here who either can kill under special conditions or can win after a certain amount of time.

I am saying, in short, that Arhra holds the secret role "Doomsday Device Engineer" who wins on night 6, which is this next night coming up.

[P-Sleazy]

Originally Posted by NEWB

Even assuming that Iowa is also a cultist, there's no reason to continue the game on our account, since we have no means to gain the majority. A cult without a leader could be defeated simply by a continuous vote of no-lynch!

now see, this is where you just told us that we need to lynch you. Iowa hasn't voted yet. And IF he is a cultist like you just said, he wouldn't be voting NO LYNCH right now because if you could get just one of us townies out right now (Me, Arhra, Ole Dude) then that leaves you with 2 cultists and 2 townies. What do we have now? 2 cultists who will vote for the same person, and 2 townies who may or may not vote for the same person, possibly siding with the cult.

Bottom line is, once the cult makes up half the town in this stage of the game, there's no way for the town to win. My vote stays.

[Bailey]

What I'm saying is that even if we are both cultists, that wouldn't be what the threat to the town is, since we would have no way to induct anybody. It has to be some power that comes into effect after a certain number of turns have passed.

Arhra has already told us he has a secret role, and the nature of secret roles is that you can't tell people what they are. Since he has already told us that his role activates when he is attacked at night, we can assume that to be a lie.




In any case, if Iowa was a cultist, there's no way I would have gone after Rhiya. I would have gone after somebody else, let Rhiya kill at night, and then gone after Rhiya so that we would have held the majority.

Give me the credit of having some intelligence here, please.

[P-Sleazy]

Honestly, I beleive you would have gone after Rhiya regardless because of the potential risk of her killing Iowa. And you weren't even sure if Rhiya was the last mafiate so you couldn't have known before hand that you were going after the Mafia don.

Finally, Why would Ecurt investigate Iowa? He could have gotten the investigation by inducting him into the cult too which leads me to suspect he inducted Iowa into the cult along with you. And that is how you know that Iowa is innocent of being a mafiate and not having a secret roll but you also know for sure if he's a cultist or not. And you "conveniently" decided to cover up his initiation into the cult by saying Ecurt investigated him instead of initiating him. So, the moment we vote someone off who isnt in the cult this turn, is the minute you've grabbed victory for the cult, assuming Iowa is in the cult aswell.

[Ole' Dude With the Face]

My vote stands. Nothing more to say, I've already explained myself and I find no reason to change anything at this point in time.

[Bailey]

Look, if Ecurt had been able to induct people all along, he would probably have not been killing people.

He didn't gain the ability until several turns after he was inducted, that's why I think that Arhra's ability might be time based.

Ecurt hadn't gotten the ability to induct yet, which is why he merely investigated Iowa. The next turn, he gained the ability, and I got inducted.

[P-Sleazy]

Except that Ecurt probably gained that ability once the Cult Leader initiated him but only after the Cult leader died. So that would mean he's been able to initiate since about day 3 or 4, after CmP's death. And that's what makes me beleive he initiated Iowa aswell.

Unless you have one final trump card, you're as good as dead in this game.

[Arhra]

The reasoning is quite simple Newb. You lied about Iowa being investigated. Instead, Ecurt made him join the cult that night.

That's why when I was believing that Iowa was the last mafiate you came out and made up that story in order to shift the lynching onto Rhiya. They were the two greatest suspects.

Can we hang Newb now?