The UFO discussion thread

[Death by Stabbing]

Originally Posted by Azisien

The problem with that clip was...it was just this guy I've never seen before was like, "Oh yeah, I've worked on dozens of top secret projects for dozens of years, so I know what I'm talking about. The problem with UFO debunkers is the fact that they lack evidence, whereas the pro-Alien folk know what they're talking about. I mean it's obvious there are aliens and their spacecraft on Earth, it's so obvious, here's a piece of paper that's completely blanked out!"

Now don't get me wrong, as an avid sci-fi geek, this kind of thing intrigues me greatly. I rarely bother myself with conspiracy theories and such, though, it's more like an occasional thing to look into for an hour or two twice a year. But every time I watch a video like this, or some show on TV that bombard me with pictures of penlights floating around on the background of real footage, or dramatizations of "what really happened" with no evidence that anything actually happened, or, actually this is my favorite, interviews with crazy people that require medication.

Seriously, when some 400lb widow from Texas is telling the camera a 9 foot tall lizard alien teleported into her bedroom at 3am, stood there and did nothing, then teleported away, there are problems with her neurons. Big problems.

I imagine all governments probably keep secrets. I keep secrets, you keep secrets, my neighbours keep secrets. Extrapolate that, I imagine organizations and states keep secrets too. Going from that to "aliens crashed, we have their bodies and spacecraft" is conjecture. Right out of the psychology textbook, memories are not objective. If I show you a picture of a blue van and TELL you it's a white van, then come back to you in two weeks and ask you what colour the van was, 99.9% of the time you'll say it was a white van.

While I LOVE to fantasize about the presence of aliens around our solar system, I think it's just a hype thing until I see a smidget of evidence to the contrary. I think all the theorists want there to be aliens, so they make it so, regardless of evidence or lack thereof. Maybe all the crazy "technology" is human technology? Where was the jump to alien made? Is it completely out of the realm of imagination to think a scientist working for the government, perhaps a top secret agency, actually made a huge breakthrough? Not all breakthroughs need be public, especially if people keep secrets.

But I imagine all the UFO sightings, videos, and pictures we see are fakes. As an example, take a look at some of the very first UFO pictures, even the most convincing ones ever. Now think about the time period they came from. 1940's and 1950's, then look at the picture, and tell me honestly that isn't a model with a 1940's and 1950's "flare." Now look at a more modern close-up. It's a nice sleek vessel with all kinds of pretty lights. It looks almost...modern. I guess the aliens just change their UFOs to suit our ability to build UFO models and imprint them on picture backgrounds. It's not like video editting can't be done realistically. We could add those cheap light effects years ago (see: Star Wars). Just look at what we can do with computers in the present (see: The Matrix trilogy, Lord of the Rings, Superman Returns, etc).

First of all, You must not do a lot of UFO research since the man in the video was Stanton Friedman. One of the premier UFO researchers. He's basically the Bob Dylan of UFO researchers...you can hardly read a book about UFOs with out his name coming up. And since the document he was holdling indeed a CIA document (he has put the pages in books he has written). Use what little logical prosesses you might posess, Azisien. Since it is a CIA document about UFOs and most of it is blanked out then they have to be hiding something...why bother blanking out pages and pages of paper if you aren't hiding anything? Just to get people to think there are UFOs when you don't want them to think that? That just doesn't make sense.

Secondly, There are pictures from earlier than the 40's and 50's...some are accidental...I can't remember the site or book it was in but there was a picture of a man out side of his house and in the sky behind him in the right side of the picture is a disk shaped object...some people think that this is a street light...however this picture is old enough (1920's or so) so that electric street lights haven't been invented or haven't been installed everywhere yet...the road clearly seen behind the man is dirt...at the time if street lights were invented they would not be installed on a dirt road.

I will try to find this picture and will get it so that everyone can see it.

Also Azisien, how do you explain pictures all the way back to cave paintings of UFOs? Were these too doctored? Why would a caveman want to fake a picture of a UFO? Epecially since he would have no reason for lying

Sure some people do make up stories about UFOs and Aliens...but people make up things all the time...

I have seen a UFO and I know they are real.

As far as UFOs looking different sure they may be changing but so have cars here on earth...we are always trying to improve the designs of things so wouldn't other visitors try to do the same thing?

Also couldn't we be visited by more than one kind of being...and couldn't there be more than one producer of UFO craft just like there are different makers of cars on Earth? This could also explain the common saucer shape...Ford, Dodge, and Chevy all make Pick-up trucks...they look similar but they are different...from a distance they might look the same to anyone...UFOs are often shown from far distances this could explain why so many look the same...in reality they are just simmilar looking!

I'll try to find that picture for everyone,

Until Next time,
Love,
DBS

[Meister]

Originally Posted by Death by Stabbing

Use what little logical prosesses you might posess, Azisien.

The Discussion forum is not the Belittle Your "Opponents" Thinking Abilities forum. Tomorrow at this time you shall be able to return.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Just to clear this up, are we arguing that UFO's don't exist, or that they are not extraterrastrial in origin?

[Staizer]

yes, we are actually just discussing their existence, be they governmental experiments or beings from another planet, it doesn't matter. Or whether they exist at all or not

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Of course they exist. You see somethin' flying, no-one knows what it is, Emeril, UFO.

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by Roy_D_Mylote

Of course they exist. You see somethin' flying, no-one knows what it is, Emeril, UFO.

But see, how do you know that no-one knows what it is? Government falls in. It leads on to other points. That's why it's discussion and not, "Give an obvious scenario on only one interpretation of it."

So, basically, discuss whether the "U" in "UFO" applies, Roy.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

What I am trying to say is, from your perspective, you have a UFO. Later, if it turns out it really was a government test plane (yeah, sure) then it's not a UFO anymore. But it was a flying object that was unidentified relative to you.

[Fifthfiend]

You know I don't know where this thread is supposed to be going, I'm almost certain it's not going to get there, and, what, we've already had one member get himself banned over this tom-fool nonsense? Closing this one down, and let's not do this again soon, 'k?