So... Super Bowl

[Apletto]

Originally Posted by GreatSageCorban

Yes it may come to the point that my children have to be completely devoid of Television because Nick(Viacom) is now showing my kids the best way to have group sex.

I don't watch much Nick now, becauss I watch my younger siblings less now. So, I could've missed this, but I honestly don't recal seein gnay such thing.

Originally Posted by GreatSageCorban

CBS(Viacom) MTV(Viacom) Nick(Viacom)

Seriously, get off of this. It's not like Viacom is one guy making all of this by himself. It's not even done in the same building, or the same city. It's a huge company, made up of coubtless people. It is entirely probable that the people at CBS had no clue what would happen. Does it shock you when you can't by pizza's at KFC, I mean KFC and Pizza Hut are both owned by the same company?

Originally Posted by GreatSageCorban

How often do you want to explain to your children that, even though society seems to think its ok to have nudity and sex in a family oriented program, it's wrong.

Once, then they should get it if they were listening.


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Originally Posted by Meister

(you'd grow tired of it, for starters)

I don't honestly think that most people would get tired off that. Well, maybe at first, but then they'd build up endurance. Not that that justifies it.

What the controversy isn't over whether sex/nudity is a bad thing. It's about whether or not children are mature enough to understand and handle it. When children see nudity on tv, it distorts their view about public decency and they get the idea that running around public naked isn't a bad idea and that if they lose their virginity at age 13 it's no big deal. That is why (responcible) parents moniter what their children do and what they watch.

[Mashirosen]

Originally Posted by Apletto

I don't honestly think that most people would get tired off that. Well, maybe at first, but then they'd build up endurance.

I never get tired of watching Salma Hayek do the albino python dance in From Dusk 'Til Dawn. Some things are too potent and holy to become commonplace.

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by krylo

I really think the way they were sexually dancing, and the average MTV music video is far worse... it doesn't have nudity, but it's far more sexual.

Other than Meister, everyone else kind of ignored this part of my post, but it was really the most important part.

What I was trying to say in that thing was this--the nipple is nothing compared to the dancing, music videos, etc. etc. No one cares about them, and I see it as kind of silly to care about one second of nudity, when no one complains about dry humping on stage...

I was trying to put the nipple in perspective, by pointing out that there were worse things before and after it, so far as sex goes.

Originally Posted by krylo

I really think the way they were sexually dancing, and the average MTV music video is far worse... it doesn't have nudity, but it's far more sexual.

Yes, that's true that MTV music video's are worse. But parent's and others know that is what MTV music video's are like and make a choice to watch it, unlike the half-time show where it was a complete surprise and no one had any warning.

ok corban you're lost, i don't know how you made US to mean 10 year old people, but it doesn't matter since decency apparently means thinking exactly like you do and always will. anyway i think what's funny about it is that those who oppose it succeded in accomplishing the incident's mission. that's to say that in talking about it so actively they effectively gave her the very publicity she wanted

*sigh*
My, things have certainly gotten needlessly warm in here...

[Apletto]

Originally Posted by krylo

I was trying to put the nipple in perspective, by pointing out that there were worse things before and after it, so far as sex goes.

Just to put the Unibomber in perspective, more people were killed in the holocaust before him and in the Twin Towers on 9/11. So what?! He was still a twisted murdering psycho.

All of this 'putting in perspective' that lots of people like to do is stupid. I've actually heard such arguments(but less obviously stupid than my example designed specifically to show the fallacy of the logic) about everything from cheating to stealing to assault to murder. Things have to be judged on their own merit, not on 'perspective.' Can't they all be wrong? Is there a rule against that?

[Crodevillian Team]

I think the entire issue has blown horribly out of proportion.

There's also a little thing called Common Sense. Why is this wrong? BECAUSE IT IS!

and:

When children see nudity on tv, it distorts their view about public decency and they get the idea that running around public naked isn't a bad idea and that if they lose their virginity at age 13 it's no big deal.

Let's take a look at a place I like to call "Europe." Nudity is broadcast on public television in most of Europe. I have friends in Sweden. They regularly go swimming topless, bottomless and otherwise (*gasp!*) NUDE. The last I heard, their children, or their friend's children, or the friends of their friend's children, or their friend's friend's friend's children were not having babies at 13.

In fact, here's an interesting titbi.. er, tidbit of information: The United States has the highest rate of teen pregnancies (and sexual activity) among other developed countries. Source: Here

Yet, the United States has strict censorship laws that do not allow for nudity to:

A) Be displayed in public.
B) Be displayed on TV.

Corban: Stop claiming that people who don't object to "A Breast" lack morals. This type of thing occurs in other countries all the time with no repercussions.

It's ridiculous how Puritanical the United States is about its views on sexuality. Everyone's so hush-hush and uptight about it. If this "Horrifying, Emotionaly Traumatizing Breast Display of 2004" forced some parents to talk to their kids about sex, then it's accomplished a good thing. So many parents neglect to address the issue, and their kids grow up with no information on how to have safe sex. If parents actually talked to their kids, it's my opinion that many problems would simply go away: People would grow up knowing that sex can be a safe and very enjoyable thing for two people who love each other to do.

[Krylo]

Just to put the Unibomber in perspective, more people were killed in the holocaust before him and in the Twin Towers on 9/11. So what?! He was still a twisted murdering psycho.

All of this 'putting in perspective' that lots of people like to do is stupid. I've actually heard such arguments(but less obviously stupid than my example designed specifically to show the fallacy of the logic) about everything from cheating to stealing to assault to murder. Things have to be judged on their own merit, not on 'perspective.' Can't they all be wrong? Is there a rule against that?

Well, if no one complained about 9/11 and did about the unabomber, I'd be making the same arguement.

I'm not going to bother arguing that it was 'right' or that both aren't bad, because that'd be pointless. I'm not going to change anyone's mind. HOWEVER:

Before you saw the nipple they were dry humping... there were scantily clad women doing high-kicks... there was the kind of thing you normally see on MTV, which is FAR more sexual, and if you're going to argue that sexual things warp children (which I don't believe, but let's not go there), then things that are far more warping to the children.

Yet, out of all of that, people single out half a second of nipple. "Oh yawn... dry humping... nothing wrong with junior seeing that... OH MY GOD! A NIPPLE! LIKE THE THING I FED MY CHILDREN WITH! HOLY SHIT!"

That's what people are doing, and that's what I'm trying to point out.

To use your own analogy, it's the equivalent of people saying: "Oh yawn... 5000 people dead in a terrorist attack... OH MY GOD! 500 PEOPLE KILLED BY MAIL BOMBS! HOLY SHIT!" Or however many people the unabomber killed.


In other words, I'm pointing out a huge bit of hypocrisy in people getting up in arms about the nipple, but not about anything else on the half-time show.