Episode 381: Dead. Hate. Living.

[Nakor]

I still think using a HARM spell would be great. I want to see what it'll look like.

The BIG question is, how will WM and BB get there, and what will happen in the meantime?

[Apletto]

Originally Posted by Mystic_Cloud

I have noticed many a person stating that WM and BB are to far away to help. I would like to redirect you all to the following:
http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=040205
BB states that there bord game is really a "dissertation on hyperdimensional physics". Canches are, they will be pulled into the bord along with there remaining game pieces, and land right smack dab in the middle of this littlr "Lich" perdiciment.

And how could a skeleton have a kid that's a vampire? It just not right, i say! It's like a dog giving birth to a cat. And how could vilbert have been walking around in broad daylight?

First, Black Belt's whining was just an excuse for losing.
Second, all Liches and Vampires are living first. Clearly Vilbert's dad was killed and turned into a lich, while Vilbert was bitten by a vampire. Or directly cursed with vampirism.

[Aesteval]

Originally Posted by 01d55

It's entirely possible that the "nuke" spell you refer to Lich using is in fact identical to BM's hadoken. Remember, every time he uses it there's a mushroom cloud.

Nuke is a level 8 spell in Final Fantasy. I'm under the impression that the Hadoken is beyond level 8. Therefore Nuke and Hadoken would not be the same.

[Martyr]

Hadoken is lv. 9, I think, beyond the scope of FF1. I'm pretty sure it's equivalent to Ultima or Flare in FF2j.

But it might also be some rare bit of origionality on Brian's part, and Lich's knowing Nuke may be completely unrelated.

Anyway, I just thought of something.
WM is required to heal, but not really be a LW warrior herself. If BM is the one in Lich's cold grasp, why would WM go out of her way to help him?

[Lycanthrope]

because she's a do-gooder. that's what she does. She has to kill the lich because the lich is evil for evil (as opposed to BM, who is evil, but bound to Thief, who is neutral for self, but whose ultimate goal, in this case, coinside with the purpose of light) If she didn't kill the lich, she'd be allowing an evil loose on the world. She'll also probably think that the Lich killed the "poor boy" Vilbert.

A bit late but:

- White Mage also had that holy fire way back when to destroy a creep. (Surely people remember that nuke)

- FF1 monsters did have instant death spells. Astos have the spell "rub" I believe and it's instant death. Also later those annoying wizards with instant death spells who you can't run from. Good thing for Pro. Rings.

- and indeed Harm is a white mage spell that only harms undead (Harm 3 dealing as much damage to Lich as Fire 3.)

The Lich getting bigger could be like a Gandalf, meaning when Bilbo was ready to fight Gandalf in order to keep the ring, Gandalf appeared to grow immense in size.

EDIT: On the otherhand, Brian could put off a really cheesy Warcraft 3 joke with this. Frostmourne hungers...

[Endarire]

In FF1, HARM hurt undead and CUREs couldn't target foes.

-EE

[Hamelin]

I assume they did that because they couldn't make it so you could target enemies with spells that you can use on yourself, and make them have the reverse effect.

So, Harm was just there because you couldn't target enemies with Cure, and even if you could, it might have healed them anyway.

[Martyr]

I think they did that because nobody had come up with the idea that, in FF, cure should hurt undead. And so they never even said, "why waste time programming this," it just never came up.

On another note - It's poison attacks that cured the Undead, not damage spells. So, if HARM wasn't a White Magic undead killer and just a Holy Fire spell, it'd still hurt undead because it has nothing to do with poison.

And I just read that Lich might steal BM's hadoken and foolishly nuke itself to death. That'd be equally logical AND brilliant at the same time. I'd love to see that as much as WM HARMing the thing to death.

[Starbuck_II]

Originally Posted by Martyr

I think they did that because nobody had come up with the idea that, in FF, cure should hurt undead. And so they never even said, "why waste time programming this," it just never came up.

On another note - It's poison attacks that cured the Undead, not damage spells. So, if HARM wasn't a White Magic undead killer and just a Holy Fire spell, it'd still hurt undead because it has nothing to do with poison.

And I just read that Lich might steal BM's hadoken and foolishly nuke itself to death. That'd be equally logical AND brilliant at the same time. I'd love to see that as much as WM HARMing the thing to death.

And yet Martyr, in every FF since that I've played cure spells do hurt undead. Its possible the idea was not thought of till after FF1, but clearly it was thought of.
However, Harm should have stayed a spell also, in retrospect it is a D&D's turning check that Cleric's get. There are Cause but not harm spells in D&D.(Cause light Wound, etc) which are the opposites of cure (cure light wound, etc).

Liches touches cause damage, usually a sort of cold damage. (cold air, frreezes spot a bit)
Fighter will take down the Lich with Bahamit's Fire, the best move in swords play he has...only attempted on the werewolves but he stopped before due to being asked to stay out of it...