Kingdom Hearts II: Why all the hate?

[Mirai Gen]

Because Squaresoft won't stop cockteasing us with the 'darker' version that marries Final Fantasy universe and Disney into a universe-torn world featuring love stories, war-ravaged worlds, and epic fight- and cut-scenes.

And each time they cocktease us it's a complete disappointment, instead of being dark and gothic and epic it's boring and trite and sluggish.

It's like if Disney would get off the "Kid friendly" area and embrace this in a "Pirates of the Carribean" sort of way, where it's Disney but not cartoon family-movie Disney, and let Squaresoft do exactly what it wants for once they would be able to make a game that's not just interesting but storyline engaging.

Seriously the entire game would be ten times more engaging if the whole Roxas/Sora thing was more interesting than just "Oh he's just a splintered part of his soul", as though it's some sort of perfectly normal thing. Not to mention giving him a totally unique and cool fighting style but then using it for one fucking battle. God damn that was stupid.

I mean, that's my main complaint. They keep on coming up with good ideas then it gets sent to Disney and I'm sure it goes, "Okay, but we need it less violent. So let's totally cut the balls off of the game because we want an E rating instead of a T, and therefore screw over our biggest fans in favor of the Soccer Mom buying it for their kids after looking at the title and going 'Oh hey, Disney!'"

On top of that the entire leg of Kingdom Hearts II had me going, "Okay, seriously, I've visited like ten fucking planets and not a single one carries any information on the fucking plot!?" The plot pacing was abysmal at best.

Atlantica. UGH.

Having said thus, it's not that it was a bad game. It was just a huge letdown. I loved the improving of, well, everything that wasn't the storyline or characterization. Especially the AI, and yes I know that doesn't fix anything. But thank christ because to me Goofy was more than just a big sack of HP this time around. Not by much, but it was something. His techniques were actually useful this time. If they could make him more Captain America and less "Hyuk Hyuk, what do I do now, Sora?"

Also, seriously, fire their dialog translators. "Sora, Donald, Goofy" was annoying the first time.

EDIT: Hugs n kisses, Odjin.

EDIT:

You're probably right. I'm just biased because I absolutely HATED Roxas. HATED HIM. I just found him SO FREAKING ANNOYING. But yeah, it might have been better if they made an effort to explain some of those important little details instead of using ZOMG ALTERNATE DIGITAL WORLD AND EVIL PEOPLE!! as an excuse.

That was why I hated him too. He had such potential but instead you spent all your time delivering packages on a surfboard. Then you get his Keyblade for ten seconds, fight off your former best friend, use a totally awesome fight style and never hear from him until the end. Gah.

[mauve]

If I may argue, Mauve, Roxas was one of those things that could've worked magnificently if only Nomura had some decency to explain and expand it in a satisfying way instead of making it a complete melodrama at the beginning and the end, without actually caring to make him develop a bond with Sora.

You're probably right. I'm just biased because I absolutely HATED Roxas. HATED HIM. I just found him SO FREAKING ANNOYING. But yeah, it might have been better if they made an effort to explain some of those important little details instead of using ZOMG ALTERNATE DIGITAL WORLD AND EVIL PEOPLE!! as an excuse.

1. The gummi ships this time around were really fun, I liked the old system, and the new system was even better, it's what was fun after the rest of the game got boring.

Okay, so I agree with that too. Making an evil moogle ship that had sideburns, fired lasers from its eyes and carried a rotating sawblade in one hand was definitely a plus to this game.

Mauve, I really like you, so I'm not going to hold that against you.

I feel special!

[Regulus Tera]

Originally Posted by Mirai Gen

Also, seriously, fire their dialog translators. "Sora, Donald, Goofy" was annoying the first time.

I think that's not the translators' fault, but rather, Nomura's or Nojima's (who by this point is the greatest piece of shit I've ever seen in writing).

Originally Posted by Mirai Gen

That was why I hated him too. He had such potential but instead you spent all your time delivering packages on a surfboard. Then you get his Keyblade for ten seconds, fight off your former best friend, use a totally awesome fight style and never hear from him until the end. Gah.

That reminds me: Axel. Greatest badass ever that got pushed aside because of plot contrivances. He got killed in the most illogical way ever, and though you care for him, you are left wondering what the fuck he had with Roxas. I mean, it's not difficult to guess what was going on with both of them, but the time in which they took the spotlight was too small to make me feel that there was any point with those two.

[Vault Of Thrones]

Okay, so I agree with that too. Making an evil moogle ship that had sideburns, fired lasers from its eyes and carried a rotating sawblade in one hand was definitely a plus to this game.

I so wish that I had thought to do that.

And the mini ships were a waste of time in my opinion.

[mauve]

I so wish that I had thought to do that.

Oh-ho, if you could just see the menagerie of abominations my sister and I made in that gummi garage.

That reminds me: Axel. Greatest badass ever that got pushed aside because of plot contrivances.

Oh yes! He totally didn't deserve the ending he got. He was probably the only character in the game I actually cared about. He was likable, unlike most of the rest of the cast.

[Vault Of Thrones]

I'm still curious as to what made Organization XIII bad.

[Regulus Tera]

I think it was the methods they used to get what they wanted. Sora probably mentioned it in one line, but it was thrown as rather passable to be sincere.

[Ryong]

I liked the gameplay. Really did. The plot's pacing? Strange. The gummi ship system? Awesome. Roxas too, was truly awesome. Also, how come no one went "Sora is gay! For Riku!" yet? It amazes me no one said it yet. I don't think it that way ( since I know that he only goes "OMG RIKU" and not "OMG KAIRI" because he knew Kairi was safe back in destiny islands, but Riku could be any-fucking-where. Including dead. Oh sure, Mickey was with him and Mickey showed up earlier, but he's the goddamn Mickey, who is for no reason whatsoever turned into win. ) but some certain people do. Certain people with webcomics.

[Regulus Tera]

Why should something like that be a detraction to the plot? Seriously, there are more important things to complain about than ZOMG RIKU N S0R@ R T3H GAYZ!!111!!!ONE!!eleven!!1!!!one!1

[Ryong]

The thread asks why all the hate. It's almost bound that someone here would comment that. After all, there have been people who hated it because of exactly that. Back on the subject of the plot, the whole "organization XIII is bad" thing started, y'know, in chain of memories. So it could be blatant association ( half of them did bad things in CoM and the other half ain't so great either, so they MUST be evil ).