Smash Bros Brawl Extravaganza Part 4 - Now With 40% More Metagame - Page 10

Mirai Gen · 05-11-2008, 04:51 PM

Wario is lots of fun, and he's strange. He kind of reminds me of Lucario, in that they changed the physics so much for one character that he ends up as a wholly new and unique character.

I mean he's got Jigglypuff's air-maneuverability but not her jumps and WAY better attacks. It's strange but great.

Regulus Tera · 05-11-2008, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mirai Gen

Moving on; Sonic really suffers from a lack of KO power. The only ones he can actually throw out are his Bair and his Fsmash, but both are admittedly low-range and Fsmash has got really lousy lag.

I have seen some great Sonic players but it's alot of running around and liberal use of Fair and Nair.

His lack of KO power is his second worst problem. The real killer for him is his lack of priority. I understand Sakurai tried to balance his speed by making most of his attacks be overwhelmed, but having Sonic not being able to even connect his attacks is overkill.

Odjn · 05-11-2008, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Loyal2NES

Do you have any idea how absurd (no, I'll go further, it's completely stupid) a statement "If you don't like it, leave it alone" is? That one single statement destroys the very heart of criticism, constructive or otherwise.

I'm not saying you're stupid, but I hear that sentence so often and people think it's some sort of valid argument and in reality it doesn't even come close.

I don't really know how the tournament scene works, but I am under the impression that people don't exactly get free plane tickets to attend a Smash tourney on the other side of the country (or in another country altogether). If you have a tournament that promotes an uneven or random chance of winning, based not on player skill but on the rules of engagement, the premise of going to this tournament becomes considerably less attractive.

People don't go to tournies to have fun, they go to win. And they go to win by merit of their skill, not by a lottery ticket with slightly better odds based on how good they are at the game.

Anyway, to honor Mirai's request I'm done.

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Snoic sux, lol. But no, seriously? I can't use him, and the fact that my main man Wario just eats Sonic for breakfast (literally. Wario's Bite counters damn near everything Sonic does) just turns me off to the character as a whole.

Loyal, out of respect for Mirai's wish I'm not going to reply to any of this in the thread. But calling the idea that some players want to play a different type of competitive based of different skills (yes. items are random. However, you can develop skills to evade these items, so there is indeed skill involved, like there is skill in setting up a strategy that exploits the dynamics of a predetermined route on a stage.) The fact that some people do set up tournaments to have fun by playing a game, however skillfully, proves that statement wrong. Some people have fun even if they lose. Calling me stupid based on your notions on how something should be set up is inappropriate and rude no matter what your opinion on how I view things. It is certainly out of place when people say they'll do things the way they want to when they're setting up a tournament that you do not have to attend or even think about and I defend them for choosing to determine whether or not what to use based on their own experience and what they want from the game in their tournament.

I am very sorry, MG, that I had to bring this up again, but it is my personal belief that I should never allow myself to be insulted without response.

Moving on...

I think Wario's a fun character. He's heavyish but not too heavy and he has a very nice speed move on his bike. Sonic doesn't feel too fleshed out to me, but Snake is absurdly so and they've found all kinds of cool tricks you can pull with him.

Pip Boy · 05-11-2008, 06:43 PM

This looks like the PERFECT time to change the subject without continuing that argument. Seriously. Before Fifth or Shiney show up.

This game has, more than any other, brought me disappointment with Nintendo for ruining what was very close to being a beautiful thing. I am wholly satisfied with the game itself, and the multiplayer is everything I expected and more.

Until you try to play on Wi-Fi.

Then the poor online hits you so hard that Miyamoto might as well have walked into your house himself and kicked you in the balls.

Regulus Tera · 05-11-2008, 07:45 PM

As much as I hate agreeing with Megaman FTW, playing Mario Kart Wii online has convinced me that the lag in Brawl is the code's fault and not really Nintendo's servers. The powers that be should really patch this somehow.

Hell, Nintendo could release Super Smash Bros. Brawl 1.5 with a few little touches to the gameplay mechanics, one or two new characters, and a fixed online. That would garner them another millions of copies sold and the redemption their online needs.

Ryong · 05-11-2008, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Megaman FTW

Then the poor online hits you so hard that Miyamoto might as well have walked into your house himself and kicked you in the balls.

He's on the plane right now. Seriously, though, I've played two Nintendo games over the internet: Mario Kart DS, which made the other character constantly change places and Pok�mon Diamond, which was perfect and had voice chat. My friend who has Brawl tried playing it online. He got Falcon, started with a falcon PUNCH!!!1 and then he was knocked off the stage. THAT is lag.

Loyal · 05-11-2008, 10:57 PM

I dunno, I find Falcon Punch to be pretty effective online.

Then again, it's four-player free for all, and I've had years of practice in Melee (the only thing Brawl did with the Punch was give me more varied angles to attack from with it).

Odjn · 05-12-2008, 05:26 AM

I've never used Falcon Punch, but the rare instances you can get away with a Warlock punch is gold and always makes me laugh.

Ryong · 05-12-2008, 07:53 AM

Warlock Punch and Falcon PUNCH!!!1 are perfect for free-for-alls. While everyone's hitting eachother you jump in and use it. Chances are you'll send someone flying and someone else will try to do the same to you for stealing his kill.

Mirai Gen · 05-12-2008, 02:43 PM

Just as a note: Whenever I refer to in-game uses, I'm almost always talking 1v1.

Having said thus, Falcon Paunch and Warlock Punch are downright useless except for edgeguarding, and even then you've got the Thunder Stomp Dair. Even in FFA if you're playing against talented people you can almost always count on them running once they see the startup. The chances of hitting increase but they're not stupid.

05-11-2008, 04:51 PM	#91
Mirai Gen We are Geth. Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 14,032	Wario is lots of fun, and he's strange. He kind of reminds me of Lucario, in that they changed the physics so much for one character that he ends up as a wholly new and unique character. I mean he's got Jigglypuff's air-maneuverability but not her jumps and WAY better attacks. It's strange but great. __________________

05-12-2008, 02:43 PM	#100
Mirai Gen We are Geth. Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 14,032	Just as a note: Whenever I refer to in-game uses, I'm almost always talking 1v1. Having said thus, Falcon Paunch and Warlock Punch are downright useless except for edgeguarding, and even then you've got the Thunder Stomp Dair. Even in FFA if you're playing against talented people you can almost always count on them running once they see the startup. The chances of hitting increase but they're not stupid. __________________

05-11-2008, 06:43 PM	#94
Pip Boy Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: A right and proper Nerd Cave Posts: 2,460	This looks like the PERFECT time to change the subject without continuing that argument. Seriously. Before Fifth or Shiney show up. This game has, more than any other, brought me disappointment with Nintendo for ruining what was very close to being a beautiful thing. I am wholly satisfied with the game itself, and the multiplayer is everything I expected and more. Until you try to play on Wi-Fi. Then the poor online hits you so hard that Miyamoto might as well have walked into your house himself and kicked you in the balls.

05-11-2008, 07:45 PM	#95
Regulus Tera lol i dont even know Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 7,271	As much as I hate agreeing with Megaman FTW, playing Mario Kart Wii online has convinced me that the lag in Brawl is the code's fault and not really Nintendo's servers. The powers that be should really patch this somehow. Hell, Nintendo could release Super Smash Bros. Brawl 1.5 with a few little touches to the gameplay mechanics, one or two new characters, and a fixed online. That would garner them another millions of copies sold and the redemption their online needs.

05-12-2008, 07:53 AM	#99
Ryong Professional Threadkiller Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Brazil Posts: 3,798	Warlock Punch and Falcon PUNCH!!!1 are perfect for free-for-alls. While everyone's hitting eachother you jump in and use it. Chances are you'll send someone flying and someone else will try to do the same to you for stealing his kill.