It's over NINE THOUSAND!!!

[I_Like_Swordchucks]

Kid Gohan pounding the hell out of baddies every time he got pissed off, culminating with SSJ2 and beating Cell to a pulp was what made the show for me. That and Piccolo. Piccolo is the only action figure I still have from when I was a kid out of sheer sentimental value.

And I refuse to consider Dragonball GT anything other than a fan-made spinoff. Gohan and Piccolo became pointless, and Gohan was supposed to be the single strongest character in the whole thing. It made me sad.

My favorite of the movies is actually the Bardock movie. That was awesome, even if the good guys lost.

[Regulus Tera]

Originally Posted by Lord of Joshelplex

the majority of [the characters] look the same

I would like to argue that, even if the majority of the extras look the same, most of the important cast is decidedly distinct from one another, Gohan and Goten being the exception to the rule. Most importantly, one thing that always struck me from Toriyama's art was how detailed and beautiful the backgrounds were, a fact that was more evident in the manga. It made the battles feel, to me, even more epic, as I could imagine how devastating it was for the Earth to feel the impact of these godlike beings fighting against one another.

It's also one of the reasons why I loved Dragon Quest VIII. I wouldn't doubt that Toriyama was also involved in the scenery for the game.

[Red Fighter 1073]

The thing that I like/hate about Toriyama's art is that you will recognize a character designed by him. It helps his image in that his work is easily recognizable but to be honest, I've never really played Chrono Trigger because the SNES was mostly before my time because the N64 was my first major system and when I see Crono, I always think he looks exactly like Goku except for a few changes in hair color and other stuff.

And I refuse to consider Dragonball GT anything other than a fan-made spinoff. Gohan and Piccolo became pointless, and Gohan was supposed to be the single strongest character in the whole thing. It made me sad.

Yeah, I had forgotten about that. GT really did make everyone except Goku and Vegeta in some cases just feel extremely useless and now I remember how badass Gohan was even when he was a child with his tail. How did Goku and Gohan end up losing their tails completely. I know they've turned into Saiyan Monkeys or whatever they're called, but even if their tails are cut off while in the Monkey form, I always thought it grew back.

[synkr0nized]

Originally Posted by Bellsouth Minion

The show itself is greatly fun. The fighting is totally over the top, and yet convincing to a level that i've never seem any other anime do yet.

I lol'd. I mean, it's kinda true, but I'm sure there's better fights.

Also, even the Cell Saga could have been cut, leaving the end of Namek as the end of the series (though I admit I liked Cell and am still bitter that he lost ever).

[Aerozord]

Bardock movie was what you look for in an anime movie story. It was well made, showed you how typical Saiyans were, good story.

Brolly was what you wanted in action. I still remember Brolly Uppercutting Trunks and you just hear that crunch, awesome. When Brolly litterally ignores their strongest attacks. Truth is the legend was right, there is one true super saiyan, and it was Brolly. Unlike the other villians you survived for more then five seconds against him for one reason, he wasn't done making you suffer yet. Only sad part was the ending, it just screamed plot device

Storywise, to me it peaked at Frieza, but really I think it needed Cell saga. Things were so nicely finished. Earth was at peace, Gohan was the new protector of Earth just in case, Goku could finally move on. But oh no, they weren't done milking this series dry. There were some good moments, and although it began dropping after Frieza it TANKED after Cell. So much didn't make sense

Can someone tell me why after Gohan got his nice mystic boost, where he was beating Buu normally, he didn't just go Super Saiyan when Buu got more power? And I like Gohan and all but how many times are they gonna unlock his inner power, because that was atleast the third. GT... I'm not even gonna acknowledge that it existed

I liked the idea that Gohan didn't find a new level of Super Saiyan, he just had an awesome power he was able to call up. Like we say him do throughout the series, just now he can at will. It was even better in the manga. Remember the Cell Jrs? Yea they didn't turn to dust, here is an example. He punches one, and his brain flies out the other side. Want to know the real reason they ran? Because they were pretty freaked out when their siblings body parts started raining down.

Originally Posted by Mirai Gen

Once a 10 year old Goten and Trunks broke their barrier just by practicing I was like "Okay seriously I am not believing this stupid retcon bullshit."

I think Vegeta put it best. "Did I miss something? When was the transformation into the legendary warrior of the Saiyan race reduced to a childs play thing?"

Oh and because of this threads title, ahem

[Lord of Joshelplex]

Originally Posted by Bellsouth Minion

Brolly is the best Villan, he deserved more than movies

Same with Bojack. He was a total badass.

Originally Posted by Bellsouth Minion

Scratch the Majin Boo saga

I hated almost that whole saga, if not for Vegito, I woulda hated all of it.

[I_Like_Swordchucks]

Originally Posted by Aerozord

Can someone tell me why after Gohan got his nice mystic boost, where he was beating Buu normally, he didn't just go Super Saiyan when Buu got more power?

Technically he would have gotten weaker. That form was considered "Ultimate Saiyan" and was stronger than an SSJ3. In fact, even when he unlocked it the Elder Kai told him to just act as if he was going Super Saiyan, and Goku noted that though the massive power increase happened, there was no physical appearance.

The advantage is that though he didn't look like the Super Saiyan, it was also a permanent transformation and took no effort for him to maintain (unlike Goku with SSJ3, which tired him out quickly).

So in short, while he had black hair, he was a Super Saiyan already. Just a really really advanced one.

[Donomni]

Anyone still miffed about the fact that if you're not a Saiyan in part or whole in that universe, you pretty much suck?

I mean, DBZ was teh fun and lulz, but man, did they ever promote racism.

Wait, or is it Specism? Hmm.

[Aerozord]

Thats why I said it peaked at about the Frieza saga. The others may have been weak, but atleast they could do something.

Originally Posted by I_Like_Swordchucks

Technically he would have gotten weaker. That form was considered "Ultimate Saiyan" and was stronger than an SSJ3. In fact, even when he unlocked it the Elder Kai told him to just act as if he was going Super Saiyan, and Goku noted that though the massive power increase happened, there was no physical appearance.

The advantage is that though he didn't look like the Super Saiyan, it was also a permanent transformation and took no effort for him to maintain (unlike Goku with SSJ3, which tired him out quickly).

So in short, while he had black hair, he was a Super Saiyan already. Just a really really advanced one.

which would make alot of sense, if in GT we didn't see Gohan always going super saiyan instead

[Lord of Joshelplex]

Wasnt that only during the time he was mind controlled by Evil Mind Control Guy?