It's over NINE THOUSAND!!!

[Aerozord]

Part I think I loved best about DB was that things like flying and energy waves were rare with only a few knowing them. In DBZ they kept adding new moves but by Cell everything had a been there seen it feel. The feel was abit deadened since I already knew alot of the powers, but it wasn't so bad since I had no idea when they learned them

Originally Posted by Lord of Joshelplex

Ya gotta admit though, Kenpachi's ultimate attack/power was pretty sweet.

Kenpachi's ultimate technique, fear as he now fights... with both hands!

[Lord of Joshelplex]

He 1 hitted a dude who was more or less invinceable.

[Aerozord]

to be clear I wasn't being sarcastic, I think thats awesome

[BitVyper]

Originally Posted by Aerozord

which would make alot of sense, if in GT we didn't see Gohan always going super saiyan instead

Yeah, but GT is basically one big fanfiction. A bad one, at that.

I love Dragonball. It is still one of my favourites of all time, anime or manga. I love watching and reading it just to watch the art and storytelling evolve. I notice new things about it all the time.

I think it had some of the coolest looking villains of all time. No matter which arc, there were always neat character designs for the bad guys.

My favourite arc is probably Piccolo Daimyo. The Freezer arc is definitely up there though.

Then he kicks them around like crazy so they run away and power up more.

You know, everyone always says this, but it's honestly a major oversimplification of everything that happened in the Android/Cell arc. There were all kinds of little things that happened all over the place, and more than a couple subplots going on at the time. Even in the anime, what you saw of the actual training amounted to very short bits in between all the other stuff.

It's kind of ironic that you don't like the Buu saga, because they really returned to their roots in that one. It was much less serious, and more like oldschool DB.

[Mirai Gen]

It was much less serious, and more like oldschool DB.

Less serious? You have to be kidding. I don't know what's less serious about Buu killing everyone on the planet to give them a few hours. But then oh, it's okay, let's go get the Namekian Dragon Balls, which is especially nice because the Namekians just gave their dragon the power to revive the dead.

I mean come on - They went through the whole Kid Buu/Super Buu/Evil Buu/Majjin Buu cycle which involved, what, several characters kicking Buu around so hard he spit out his shitty personality and became more powerful.

Like I said, Dragon Ball Z is okay in the beginning. But when it turned Goku from the Super Saiyan, THE most powerful, THE best fighter, into Goku Is The Best But Every Other Saiyan Even The Half Saiyans Are Just As Good.

[I_Like_Swordchucks]

Originally Posted by Mirai Gen

Like I said, Dragon Ball Z is okay in the beginning. But when it turned Goku from the Super Saiyan, THE most powerful, THE best fighter, into Goku Is The Best But Every Other Saiyan Even The Half Saiyans Are Just As Good.

I read somewhere that Toriyama intended for Gohan to have the potential to be the single strongest character in the series right from the start, due to hybrid superiority.

In fact, I do believe the only reason that Gohan wasn't the one who beat Buu at the very end was due to fan reaction of wanting Goku to be the one to do it.

[Bells]

Except for Pan, because Girls will always suck on fighting animes, unless it is Softcore porn material

[Lord of Joshelplex]

Originally Posted by I_Like_Swordchucks

In fact, I do believe the only reason that Gohan wasn't the one who beat Buu at the very end was due to fan reaction of wanting Goku to be the one to do it.

Fan reaction made it go past the Frieza Saga too. That woulda been a fairly decent ending right htere.

Really though, how can someone like Pan, who's 1/4th Saiyan be expected to be comparable to full and halfs?

[BitVyper]

Originally Posted by Mirai Gen

Less serious? You have to be kidding. I don't know what's less serious about Buu killing everyone on the planet to give them a few hours.

Which is pretty much just Piccolo Daimyo on a larger scale. Besides which, it wasn't really given too much focus, not nearly as much as Piccolo Daimyo's atrocities ("lets see which city we'll slaughter today"). Instead, you had stuff like Buu being a comic sort of character half the time, Akira Toriyama pretty much doing self parody with some of the fights, elder Kaioshin, the gumdrop fight, Mr. Satan, Gotenks. There were gags left and right, much more on par with classic DB. And DB has been using the dragonballs to bring people who got killed during the arc back to life since the Red Ribbon arc; the final arc just did it on a grander scale.

[Aerozord]

I do think the dragonballs got over used towards the end. The whole thing with them making Nemekian dragon able to bring multiple people back at once, was the definition of a plot device.