In my creation of a World of Darkness RP...

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Me on page 15

But you'd need one hell of a resources score to get a flamethrower, while just about anyone can make a molotov cocktail.

Also: Why machinegun me? I was just wondering if it was possible for a werewolf to have true faith in gaia.

Edit: For that matter, would a fallen seeking redemption be able to have true faith in judeo-christian beliefs?

Or... does proof beget faith, meaning neither can have true faith, because it's been proven to them?

That one.

[IHateMakingNames]

So, can I have a flamethrower, preferably a dual tank one with two parts to shot fire out of?

[Dante]

SILENCE! All shall feel the righteous judgement of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch!

[Forever Zero]

Originally Posted by Dante

FZ: Maybe what he's talkign about is that Demon postulates Lucifer as a noble being who wished to care for humanity, rather than drag it down into sin.

Point, although if you read Paradise Lost it also attempts to portray Lucifer in a positive light (I haven't read the whole thing, only an excerpt). Of course, that may explain why it was banned by the Catholic Church when it was first written...

It all depends on interpretation. The Fallen book also leaves it open for you to see Lucifer as a traitor, that lead all the Fallen into banishment, then abandoned them once they were sentenced to the Abyss, leaving the Fallen to come to the conclusion that this was all a mistake, and that Lucifer was wrong and not even worth following. Thus the Redeemer Faction that believes that Lucifer was full of lies, and they are trying to seek God once again to be redeemed.

But now I'm starting to get off onto a Religious rant, so I'll leave it open for our previous discussions.

[Krylo]

IHMN-Put all your points into resources and buy one if you want one so damn bad. You'll suck at using it... probably won't be able to drive worth shit... and will be kinda shitty in melee combat too, but at least you'll be able to buy anything you want.

edit:

krylo: The Fallen DO have True Faith. or at least, they used to have. Now they've turned their backs on God, that faith is hardly True Faith any more. All they know, all they believe of God is that he cast them down for caring for the very things they were commanded in His name to make and watch over. To say all Fallen resent God to some extent is correct... and thus they CANNOT have True Faith, at least not in the sense that mortals do.

How about the ones who want redemption, though? Those ones are trying to redeem themselves before god, and resent lucifer for getting them into this, not necessarily god.

Note: This is all academic. My demon will not want redemption.

[Dante]

Not to mention that a flamethrower is a SHOOT ME sign.

And using a flamethrower is pretty much kissing all your Glory Renown goodbye...

How about the ones who want redemption, though? Those ones are trying to redeem themselves before god, and resent lucifer for getting them into this, not necessarily god.

They can't ever look at Him the same way again. The Torment prevents them from doing so. If they reduced their Torment to zero, maybe it'd be a different matter... Actually, it is stated in Demon that if a Fallen reduced his permanent Torment to 0, he might actually be redeemed... but that is beyond the scope of the corebook.

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Dante

They can't ever look at Him the same way again. The Torment prevents them from doing so. If they reduced their Torment to zero, maybe it'd be a different matter... Actually, it is stated in Demon that if a Fallen reduced his permanent Torment to 0, he might actually be redeemed... but that is beyond the scope of the corebook.

...You can reduce torment?

Also: My guy would be what? A torment of 3 or 4? I remember FZ going into what faction I would be in (Luciferian or Faustian Slayer), but I don't think he mentioned how much torment I would have.

Not that I would want to reduce it to zero or whatever... I'm just curious as to whether my apocalypse form would be all demony or all angely... I'd kinda like an angel only with black wings and blood stained armor. That'd be cool...

Even if I rarely get to use it...

[Snefix]

Samejima Mamimi of FLCL infamy.

[Dante]

Originally Posted by krylo

...You can reduce torment?

Yes. If you do or experience things that let you believe that there is something better in life (IE seeing good deeds, doing good stuff, etc.) you can reduce your permanent Torment.

Also: My guy would be what? A torment of 3 or 4? I remember FZ going into what faction I would be in (Luciferian or Faustian Slayer), but I don't think he mentioned how much torment I would have.

Torment is affected by your House, not your Faction. Slayers start with... 4 Torment. On the edge, IMO.

Not that I would want to... I'm just curious as to whether my apocalypse form would be all demony or all angely... I'd kinda like an angel only with black wings and blood stained armor. That'd be cool...

Even if I rarely get to use it...

I have no idea what Visage that is, nor do I ahve the inclination to seek it out... Generally, the higher Torment you are (5-6+) the more evil-looking you are. Torment affects your Lores as well - High-Torment demons tend to manifest extremely destructive effects.

EDIT:

Snefix: Very the kawaii.

EDIT THE SECOND: krylo, The Visage of the Celestials sounds good for you. It's the classic "figure of lordly might" angelic visage, which degrades into "tyrannical mien" as your torment goes up.

[Krylo]

So that's why the earthbound ones are so damned dangerous? ...That clears a lot of stuff up.