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Unread 04-14-2004, 04:10 PM   #21
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For your information, most of the elders will be from the Camarilla. Sabbat is too fractious to have many elders, and besides, most Sabbat elders are usually stalked by diablerist coteries who seek to eat the elder's blood and thus power themselves up. So any elders there are going to be monstrously powerful if they've managed to survive up till now...

Not that you'll run into them, of course. Lambach Ruthven and Archbishop Polonia are somewhat out of everyone's league...

Elder Werewolves are deadly too. Werewolves operate on a Rank system, which affects the Gifts and Rituals they can learn. Rank 5-6 Werewolves, easily the most experienced of their kind, have incredile shamanistic powers at their command.

Groups of wolves can also use unique pack fighting techniques, like Fur Gnarl (tears opponent's armor away), Savage (one wolf pins a foe down while the rest take bites out of him), etc
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Unread 04-14-2004, 04:13 PM   #22
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If he'll cooperate, I guess I'll partner up with IHMN and be uzi-wielding werewolf #2.
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Unread 04-14-2004, 04:14 PM   #23
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Alright, so far we have -

Werewolves: 2
Vampires: 1
Demons: 2
Mages: 0
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Unread 04-14-2004, 04:14 PM   #24
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Good, good, we already have two wolves...

I'll play as whoever FZ directs me to be, but I'm leaning towards a vampire myself. Ph34r the undead. Largo does.
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Unread 04-14-2004, 04:17 PM   #25
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While I'd prefer demon (you can go for vaguely angelic looking ones right?) I'd be pretty happy with vampire.
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Unread 04-14-2004, 04:22 PM   #26
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Demons come in two flavors, your Low Torment Fallen have a Torment Rating of 3 and lower, and hope for redemption from their rebellion against God. These are your "Good" Fallen, and are immune to many holy attacks against demons since they want to be redeemed by God and are similar to angels. Their Apocalypse form is generally angelic and holy.

Then you have your High Torment Fallen, who have a Torment Rating of 4 or higher. These are your evil, demonic, hellish demons, that are still rebelling against God. These are your "Evil" Fallen. They are effected by holy attacks, prefer to cause suffering and pain over helping others, and their Apocalypse form generally involves fire and brimstone, and a form that horrifies any that see it.
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Unread 04-14-2004, 04:28 PM   #27
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The Fallen ehre are disembodied spirits who possess human shells. So they'd appear human at first sight. However, when they choose to manifest their apocalyptic form, then they appear as they truly were.

Exactly how angelic or demonic you appear varies depending on then Visage that you choose and the amount of Torment that you have.

And FZ, Torment 4 isn;t necessarily utterly evil... starting Devils have Torment 4, and even they can be fairly decent. But 6 and above is not a good sign.

All the Earthbound are Torment 10+, of course.
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Unread 04-14-2004, 04:39 PM   #28
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Ahh, I assumed wrong then. I got that from the chapters on things effecting Fallen, and it said that any with a 3 or lower Torment had forsaken their demonic habits and wished for redemption, making them immune to Holy Grounds, or the effects of Holy Weapons, but that any with a torment of 4 or greater still embraced their demonic side, and were weak against Holy Wapons and grounds.
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Unread 04-14-2004, 04:40 PM   #29
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How are torment points determined? Are they assigned or acquired through doing dodge deeds?
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What kind of torment would a fallen who believes that god betrayed them, and dislikes god immensly, yet believes that humans will someday receive a similiar betrayal--and thus pities/empathizes with them, have?
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