Downplayed PSX Games - Page 3

AndyBloodredMage · 05-31-2004, 07:08 PM

FF8 is considered by many people to be the worst ff, for various reasons. He means games that either didnt get much attention, or got bad reviews that are actually fun.

Fifthfiend · 05-31-2004, 07:14 PM

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FF8 is considered by many people to be the worst ff, for various reasons

FF7, FF9, FF10, and FFX-2 are each considered by many people to be the worst ff, for various reasons. So what's your point?

Jumping on someone for bringing up FF7 and FFT when you started the conversation bringing up FF8 and Chrono Cross is just some pot/kettle bullshit.

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Back on track -- you know what was the ultimate in obscure PS2 games? Intelligent Qube. I swear, I'd play that game for hours. There's no quick way to explain it, except to say that it's a puzzle game that pretty much depicts a mathematician's version of Hell.

Wolf99x · 05-31-2004, 09:11 PM

One of the most obscure great games for the PSX is "The Raiden Project". One of the greatest and most frantic veritcal arcade shooters (and it's sequel), enjoyable without having to burn away so many quarters. I also think Ehergeiz (think that's how it's spelled) is another oft overlooked game. Squaresoft made a very good fighting game that for some reason didn't experience success here in the States.

h4x.m4g3 · 05-31-2004, 09:38 PM

Ahhh after skimming through my PSX titles I realiazed I forgot to mention the Armored Core Series
It's not exactly an obscure game but its a game for people who want to play a game with minimal amounts of storyline to keep up with, and instead focus on building the Mech that complements your fighting style the best. One of the best things about the game there wasn't really a wrong type of mecch to use. If you preferred playing with a light mech that used quick boost to dodge shots and get in close to use it's powerful laser blade you could. If you preferred to have the slow ass mech loaded to the teeth with the most powerful weapons ever that could evicerate a target in a single shot go ahead. It all depended on what you wanted not what the game wanted.

Jagos · 05-31-2004, 09:59 PM

Yeah, but how many people bashed it compared to FF7 or even 9. Seriously, the flames don't need to get any higher. Some people have played FF8 and because they listen to the reviews in a magazine or their friends, didn't play it. I'll prolly play it one day soon but right now I'm too busy playing Stepmania. You'd be surprised how many songs are out there with steps to it from people.

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No Parasite Eve?

I don't know which I liked better. They changed the first and second so much from each other that I like both of them almost the same. Except for the Resident Evil type moving around the 2nd is really good. But that's another game to finish.

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Lufia II (not the first) is great, but little-known. That's about all I can think of.

The only thing I hated was the bug in it where you couldn't figure out where the hell to go near the end... Or was that the first one?

Kenryoku_Maxis · 05-31-2004, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by fifthfiend

FF7, FF9, FF10, and FFX-2 are each considered by many people to be the worst ff, for various reasons. So what's your point?

Jumping on someone for bringing up FF7 and FFT when you started the conversation bringing up FF8 and Chrono Cross is just some pot/kettle bullshit.

No, its pretty much what Mirai Gen, fifthfiend and AndyBloodredMage said. Although yes, I meant a distinction between 'underplayed' and 'downplayed'. But to clear it up, I mean games that are considered by large amounts of people to be bad or downright crap, but you thought was really good.

Almost everyone who ever talks about FFVII has also played FFVIII. But the amount of people who like FFVII seems to greatly outnumber those who like FFVIII. Not going to say FFVII is horrible nor press that I like VIII more here, but I just don't see why VIII has to be treated so bad. Nor Chrono Cross. I understand they're very different from the RPG/FF norm but they were suppose to be and we all know that's why the people have problems with them.

I agree that I have also heard people say that FFIX - X-2 are crap. But I have also heard people say IV - VII are crap, so in the overall picture, I just wanted people to talk about the games THEY thought were not given much credit that OTHERS didn't. But come on....FFVII and FFTactics are just about the MOST loved FF games I hear about on all 4 of the Boards I visit + all my RPG playing friends + 90% of the Gaming review sites I go...etc.

Point in the end! I think FFVIII and Chrono Cross are good.....

Krylo · 06-01-2004, 09:07 AM

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I understand they're very different from the RPG/FF norm but they were suppose to be and we all know that's why the people have problems with them.

Now why'd you have to go say that? I was just going to let it go... but nooo... you have to go and make a statement like that.

Lunar (movement area battles), FFT (very strategy orientated RPG), Wild Arms (force point system), FF7 (materia), FFX (sphere grid), Parasite Eve (limited real-time dodging and fighting), etc. etc. are all very different and I liked them all very much. Hell, I even liked all the 'different' parts of CC, which is pretty much the battle system and element grid. Both were fun (except when they kept clearing my element grid everytime I got it just how I wanted. Bastards).

However... enemies shouldn't be harder to beat if you level more. That just shouldn't happen. That's the main problem I had with FF8. I can go through that game at low levels and rape it, but if I don't run from battles all the time, I'm the one getting raped. And CC had about 50 characters... with no personality of their own. There's no point in having that many characters if they all say exactly the same thing in every situation. That's why I didn't like the games.

It has nothing to do with them being 'different'. It has to do with them having aspects I didn't like. Sure, I guess you can say that they were 'different' in that they HAD aspects I didn't like... but then I could say eating glass is different then eating food. Doesn't make it good, or mean people don't like it out of an intrinsic hatred for different things.

And, as for downplayed games that I liked. I don't really know... I don't usually buy downplayed games because I'm poor white trash and can't afford to spend money on things that are probably going to be crap. I suppose I'll toss out FFX-2. As someone else said somewhere, if they had renamed 'dress spheres' into 'class change' and dropped the lengthy changing animations many many more people would like it. The battle system is genuinely fun. That's not something you can usually say about an RPG. The only real problem is that the story is pretty damned lacking, but they manage to make it at least sort of interesting. Sure, it's not the best game ever, but it's not as bad as everyone likes you to think.

Kenryoku_Maxis · 06-01-2004, 10:08 AM

Well, I made the comment so people would actually start saying how they felt about it. -_- And partially because I feel that's the majority of peoples gripe with it, although I know some don't feel that way.

Your comments on the two games I would like to comment on myself though. One, alot of people get angry because some RPGs sometimes are too easy. And to me, I actually think that the farther you go in a game, the harder it should get. But in the majority of RPGs (especially FF games), you can advance through the game, but just level twice as much as the game wishes you to and it just makes the game fricken easy! So as a switch, FFVIII encourages you to fight alot from all the stuff you can steal/items to obtain/drawing all the Magic and therefore makes the battles more challenging. But as a constilation for me anyway, I found that the game wasn't THAT hard and although I died a few times, I think it had a pretty good balance of challenge and the game was still fun. I don't really see why a game just can't have a game be opposite of normal games and grow harder the farther you go, progressively through how much of the game you choose to partake in rather than making the as hard as possible by simply not battling much. FFVIII should be a game loved by those who want a challenge in their RPGs and I didn't see any boss that couldn't be defeated in any stage (heck I fought both Weapons and Ultamecia at lvl 100).

And as for Chrono Cross, I think the characters do have substance, the majority of them anyway. But I'm not playing the game just for the characters and the story isn't exactly 'my' kind of story. Its everything that comes together that makes it good to me, and that mostly goes to the fun battle system and for me, the abilityto choose whatever characters I want. I don't HAVE to use Kid or if you are required to use a certain character at times like Guile or Fargo or Nikki, you don't HAVE to always use them. Frankly, I wouldn't have enjoyed CC as much if I HAD to use Kid....but since I could exchange her for Leena, Pip, Glenn, Nikki, Poshul, Guile, Van..... I think you get the picture. Customization and choices. I love those games the best. Might not be for everybody though I understand.

KefkaTaran · 06-01-2004, 11:22 AM

Ken: I think what Krylo's trying to say about Chrono Cross is that customization and choices is all well and good, but in CC all you're doing is taking one soulless, lifeless character and replacing it with another. Basically you're just changing skins. There's no real customization because there's no real DIFFERENCE between the characters.

Keep in mind that this is just my interpretation of Krylo's post as someone who has only played about half of CC.

Kenryoku_Maxis · 06-01-2004, 02:19 PM

Yeah, I know that's what he meant and I agree somewhat. Some characters are pretty much just the same as others with different speech patterns. But even just those small changes in speech, additude and way the character moves is enough to make them feel original enough to me. And there's also some characters that they actually put some work into making unique in alot of situations, like Glenn and Radius in my opinion. And somewhat with Leena, Riddell and Nikki; since the versions of both their characters are different from their versions in the 'other' world and you see the difference quite alot.

So yeah, Chrono Cross isn't like OMG WOW all the characters are SOOO Unique! No, it doesn't do what Suikoden Does. But the ability to pick a character I like either by look, additude, speech or all combined is nice instead of just being stuck with set characters that I may not like...

06-01-2004, 10:08 AM	#28
Kenryoku_Maxis 87% Pokemon Master Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California, Somewhere Therin Posts: 2,405	Well, I made the comment so people would actually start saying how they felt about it. -_- And partially because I feel that's the majority of peoples gripe with it, although I know some don't feel that way. Your comments on the two games I would like to comment on myself though. One, alot of people get angry because some RPGs sometimes are too easy. And to me, I actually think that the farther you go in a game, the harder it should get. But in the majority of RPGs (especially FF games), you can advance through the game, but just level twice as much as the game wishes you to and it just makes the game fricken easy! So as a switch, FFVIII encourages you to fight alot from all the stuff you can steal/items to obtain/drawing all the Magic and therefore makes the battles more challenging. But as a constilation for me anyway, I found that the game wasn't THAT hard and although I died a few times, I think it had a pretty good balance of challenge and the game was still fun. I don't really see why a game just can't have a game be opposite of normal games and grow harder the farther you go, progressively through how much of the game you choose to partake in rather than making the as hard as possible by simply not battling much. FFVIII should be a game loved by those who want a challenge in their RPGs and I didn't see any boss that couldn't be defeated in any stage (heck I fought both Weapons and Ultamecia at lvl 100). And as for Chrono Cross, I think the characters do have substance, the majority of them anyway. But I'm not playing the game just for the characters and the story isn't exactly 'my' kind of story. Its everything that comes together that makes it good to me, and that mostly goes to the fun battle system and for me, the abilityto choose whatever characters I want. I don't HAVE to use Kid or if you are required to use a certain character at times like Guile or Fargo or Nikki, you don't HAVE to always use them. Frankly, I wouldn't have enjoyed CC as much if I HAD to use Kid....but since I could exchange her for Leena, Pip, Glenn, Nikki, Poshul, Guile, Van..... I think you get the picture. Customization and choices. I love those games the best. Might not be for everybody though I understand. __________________ "You fight pretty tough for someone without Health Insurance." -Homer Simpson Star Trek > Star Wars. But both are irreversibly off-track. Just realize we can always trust in the sanctity of Indiana Jones and the Simpsons! Oh wait...

06-01-2004, 02:19 PM	#30
Kenryoku_Maxis 87% Pokemon Master Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California, Somewhere Therin Posts: 2,405	Yeah, I know that's what he meant and I agree somewhat. Some characters are pretty much just the same as others with different speech patterns. But even just those small changes in speech, additude and way the character moves is enough to make them feel original enough to me. And there's also some characters that they actually put some work into making unique in alot of situations, like Glenn and Radius in my opinion. And somewhat with Leena, Riddell and Nikki; since the versions of both their characters are different from their versions in the 'other' world and you see the difference quite alot. So yeah, Chrono Cross isn't like OMG WOW all the characters are SOOO Unique! No, it doesn't do what Suikoden Does. But the ability to pick a character I like either by look, additude, speech or all combined is nice instead of just being stuck with set characters that I may not like... __________________ "You fight pretty tough for someone without Health Insurance." -Homer Simpson Star Trek > Star Wars. But both are irreversibly off-track. Just realize we can always trust in the sanctity of Indiana Jones and the Simpsons! Oh wait...

05-31-2004, 09:38 PM	#24
h4x.m4g3 Lakitu Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,152	Ahhh after skimming through my PSX titles I realiazed I forgot to mention the Armored Core Series It's not exactly an obscure game but its a game for people who want to play a game with minimal amounts of storyline to keep up with, and instead focus on building the Mech that complements your fighting style the best. One of the best things about the game there wasn't really a wrong type of mecch to use. If you preferred playing with a light mech that used quick boost to dodge shots and get in close to use it's powerful laser blade you could. If you preferred to have the slow ass mech loaded to the teeth with the most powerful weapons ever that could evicerate a target in a single shot go ahead. It all depended on what you wanted not what the game wanted.

06-01-2004, 11:22 AM	#29
KefkaTaran Magikoopa Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,545	Ken: I think what Krylo's trying to say about Chrono Cross is that customization and choices is all well and good, but in CC all you're doing is taking one soulless, lifeless character and replacing it with another. Basically you're just changing skins. There's no real customization because there's no real DIFFERENCE between the characters. Keep in mind that this is just my interpretation of Krylo's post as someone who has only played about half of CC.