Presidential Debate

[Psrdirector]

Originally Posted by LordTobias

Actually, Psr, the debates have little effect on the decisions of most people. The only people it REALLY has any effect at all on are the undecided people -- like myself.

And, just to tell you...If you told people who are in their 30's to 50's that Reagan was a bad president, half of them would at least try to slap you silly (not joking there, either). I can't say if he was or not as I was not...er...quite alive at the time if my years are correct.

Uh...yeah.

I still say Arnold Schwarzenegger should be the president...

how do you know it has no effect on people, did you go and ask every person in the nation if it did, i didnt think so. I say it does cause i have seen people who changed there vote, from kerry to bush or the other way around

Secound part, the other half would cheer you on and agree hole hardedly


Arnold Schwarzenegger should not be a president, i hate bush but if it was bettween them i would vote bush with all my might. One he can never go beyond govener, since to be elected to any national position you need to be born in this country. He is incomaptent and hasnt even done the stuff he promised to do.
just a tid bit, did you know his father was a Nazi. Thats interesting, i wonder if that is why he respects hitler

[Robot Jesus]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/default.stm#


I just watched the debate and noticed something troubling. Bush made no distinction between Middle Eastern counties and Al Qaeda.

I felt that bush held his own but lied, a lot. How many times did he say that Saddam was misleading the inspectors, but as we all know now there where no WMD’s. so what where they misleading them about.

I think his handlers told him to just replace the world evil with hate. By bushes own words the terrorists in Croatia don’t want self-determination they just hate everything. Bushes view on the war on terror is far too simplistic to ever work.

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Regan did not win the cold war. Gorbachev lost it. He made the mistake of moving towards more freedom. In response to this Regan initiated an escalation in arms build up. The USSR was then forced to shift production from butter to guns. This combined with the new freedom allowed for a popular revolution. Now instead of a communist dictatorship, Russia is a capitalist dictatorship and all is well. Kind of shows what was valued. I know this was not brought up yet but when Regan is being discussed the “victory” is inevitable. Also a new topic for Regan dissection would be a good idea.

[The_Phat_G]

Originally Posted by Psrdirector

He is incomaptent and hasnt even done the stuff he promised to do.
just a tid bit, did you know his father was a Nazi. Thats interesting, i wonder if that is why he respects hitler

Incompetant? Hasn't done stuff he promised to do? Sounds a bit like a certain president we've had recently...

Also, calling Arnold Schwarzeneggar a Nazi because his father was one is completely out of line. Hitler brainwashed the majority of the German population into thinking that by doing what he said, Germany and the world would become a much better place. The fact that Germany was in the middle of a severe depression only helped him.

[Psrdirector]

i never said that he was one. I dont think he was, i also have more respect for him then to say it is. he was born after hitler i think. But his dad was a supporter of hitler even after ww2, i just thought maybe that is why he said he had respect for him. but yes he like bush didnt do anything they said they would (well bush did some of the things) and actually made things worse

[Ganurath]

Effect on liberals in general:
Kerry kicked Bush in the teeth.
Effect on moderates:
It looked like Kerry won.
Effect on mild conservatives (using Republican homeroom teacher and little brother of Teenage Republicans pres as sources):
Kerry did the least bad I've ever seen him.
Bush didn't do as well as I expected.
Effect on deep conservatives:
Bush did very good!

I'd say Kerry won, hands down.

I'm not even going to comment on Psrdirector's comments since they aren't worth even a mere second of my time.

But, I would definitely say Bush had to try a little too hard to cover his ass -- and showing his disapproval -- if not anger -- only worsened his cause. I think Kerry showed that he certainly has the needed charisma and that he can stay on the same idea. Maybe the real problem is keeping in line what he actually says to people, but, that is something that all politicians have to do.

And sometimes we are just misquoted/lied about. Oh, and his semi-crazy wife is no help! (Yes, that was a joke)

But, when thinking about it, I think that Kerry might do better in the polls after the debates, but not drastically, as quite a few people don't base their decisions entirely off of a couple debates, contrary to what the all-encompassing knowledge of Psrdirector informs us of. (yes, I decided to comment on something)

Does anyone know when the next debate is supposed to be? (Date would be preferable)

[Illuminatus]

To the intellectual, psuedo-intellectual, and pretend-intellectual, Kerry won. To the down home, hard-working, blue-collar American, Bush said everything they wanted to hear, and thus won the debate. I thought as far as style goes, Kerry was very composed and intelligent, and Bush did very poorly. But get this-that's what people LIKE about bush. His down-home enthusiasm and cowboy image appeal to the American voter. Think about that before you throw the debate to Kerry.

[DragonDaimyo]

LordTobias, next debate is Friday (Oct. 8th).

There have been a couple of people who say that this debate will make a significant difference in the polls. Let me tell you right now that that is not the case. When you think about it, most of the people in the country have already made up thier minds. No debate is going to change that.

The thing it can affect are the votes of swing voters, and the debates failed there. A survey of potential swing voters showed that only 6% of them were affected by this debate. 3% went to Kerry, 2% went to Bush, and 1% went back to undecided.

So we have all of this contention and arguing and all of that and for what? Just barely a 1% swing. And that's only among undecideds. Face it, one debate does not an election win, and both candidates have to do a lot more if they want to win.

BTW Psrdirector, about your comments on Reagan, how is it that he was a bad president, yet still kicked Carter AND Mondale all around the electoral map? Seems kinda contradictory to me, don't ya think? And during the 2000 Florida recount, I'd agree with you if Gore got closer every time. But every recount gave Bush a bigger lead there. How is it that he stole it then?

Thank you kindly Saiyaman.

I have found that it is simply easy to not comment on Psrdirector's words at all, given that he rarely makes any sense, clutters boards with his comments -- I could go on, but I want to spare us all.

Anywho, you hit it head on, "I8stupidppl." I don't particularly understand why Bush's outward appearance is appealing because he more often than not seems disorganized, unthought, unthinking, uncompromising, and overall just dumb. As a president, those are things that should sway votes in the other direction, but, again, I am not advocating either president.

And I still say Arnold should be the president.

Hypothetical situation:

The constitution is amended and Arnold made the pres...would he then go from the Terminator to the Governator to the...Presinator?...

[DragonDaimyo]

President Bush's apperance appeals to people because they can identify with it. Most people are at least occasionally lost in thought/disorganized/disheveled/etc. This pulls the common man (like me ) to identify with the president

Originally Posted by LordTobias

Hypothetical situation:

The constitution is amended and Arnold made the pres...would he then go from the Terminator to the Governator to the...Presinator?...

I would still call him the Governator, just cause it flows better and it was his political beginning (plus I live in CA).