Beyond the human's mind to concieve- the limits of us as a people - Page 2

lazy man · 01-27-2005, 08:27 PM

Alright, since Fuzzy here is my friend in real life and he's already talked to me about this, I'll just explain a little more. This is more of a "What if..." type of thing. We're not trying to prove anybody wrong, just trying to wonder something that could happen. It's like aliens and other supernatural things. You can think about what might happen or what's going on, or you could just try and prove people wrong. This is more of the thinking side of that. Just try to have an open mind and think about it instead of trying to prove everything you see wrong.

Anyway, back on topic. I think part of what Fuzzy is saying is what if there are senses we could have, but don't, and those senses could let us see something entirely different in the universe. The reason we wouldn't know about it is because it's beyond us, something we're not meant to have, maybe even something we had, but lost in our evolution. We could probably even gain it back, but it would probably require science or breaking our limits as humans. Even if it could be possible, it still might not be, and then there might be other things that go way beyond what I just said. If we ever find out, who knows what we could find out or gain, but we might not even be alive to find out if we find out.

Genkotsu Ikaru · 01-27-2005, 08:42 PM

Lazy, you and your friend have been a bit too involved in the low-budget sci-fi thing, I think. There's no "what if" here. In order for this whole thing to be viable, we'd have to omit a very large amount of scientific data, and that data would be the only thing we would have had available with which to formulate a response that means anything. Of course, I'm assuming the type of discussion you want is factual. If you're trying to write a novel or a script or something, don't bother. I think I've already seen that B movie. I wouldn't recommend it.

BitVyper · 01-27-2005, 08:42 PM

Yes, I addressed all of that. Whether we're 'meant' to or not, is bordering on religious grounds though.

Fuzzydoom · 01-27-2005, 09:01 PM

All I'm saying is that if there is a substance or creature or somesuch thta our minds can't understand how would we know? How can you prove if something you don't have is truly there or not. Think of it like trying to tell a blind person what the color blue is. What if there are more than five senses? What if, somewhere, there is an animal or somesuch that has an organ that allows it to "see" (for lack of a better word) things that even with infrared and what-not we still can't detect. How can you prove it wrong, or right for that matter, if you have no frame of refrence? Once again it's like trying to desribe the color blue to a person born blind. Ikaru, what scientific research are you referring to? Can you be more specific please? Has anyone ever done research into this kind of thign before? If so, would you mind please linking to any site or somesuch there may be on this subject? I'd appreciate it. And thanks to every one for telling me how dumb i am.

Yunni · 01-27-2005, 09:11 PM

Edit... again.

I think Fuzzy is trying to discuss a hypertheitcal situation, a "What if" is more of a discussion, rather than a debate. Which is good, concidering this is a discussion board :P

Hrem.. I think that what you are wanting to talk is bordering on beliefs, since hard scientific evidence possibly negates any "What if" situations.

I admit it would be very strange to have another hidden sense or world that we do not see, feel, hear, or touch - but... this remindes me of the Matrix XD

Edit... again.

Total_Calamity · 01-27-2005, 09:13 PM

We're not here to tell you how dumb you are. You asked and we responded. And even though I think this is a great thought, the idea that we could have another sense is really irrelevent seeing as we've survived this long without it. And if there is stuff out there we can't sense, it hasn't bothered us yet, so why try to find it? This could be turned into an interesting script/story if anyone would put the time into it.

Fuzzydoom · 01-27-2005, 09:15 PM

ummm... thanks. I appreciate the good words and such. I'm not talking about finding some creature that could possibly kill us all. If there are things we can't detect even with all our tech, think what we could be missing. This is gonna sound really sci-fi wanna be-ish, but what if there are whole races we don't know about. They could be sitting right next to me and laughing over my shoulder and I would never no it. I think that possibility is awesome. And if possible can some1 plz sight the scientific data your using to kill my crazy ideas?

It just keeps getting harder to talk about crazy stuff with people anymore.

Genkotsu Ikaru · 01-27-2005, 09:23 PM

Actually, the script's been done, in a fistful of made-for-TV sci-fi movies. So has the scientific discovery of things we couldn't sense. Google "atom", for example.

If there were something we just couldn't understand, we'd know because we'd be looking at it and saying "Wow... I don't understand!" If we were incapable of percieving such a thing, and anything that could be directly linked to such a thing... Well, there's been a lot of discussion about that. It's called "philosophy" and "religion".

Fuzzy, I can't link you to the specific scientific research. There's too much. Because that's the definition of science. Explaining and codifying phenomena. If you're referring to extra-sensory stuff, I don't know any links. I did my own experimentation based on reading (books I've long forgotten) and hearsay.

Total_Calamity · 01-27-2005, 09:30 PM

About the idea of another being that we can't percieve watching over our shoulders is highly unlikely. Just imagine that there ARE other beings we can't percieve but they can percieve us. First why can they percieve us? if they could they would have a sensory like ours which would mean they could communicate, and they haven't. Second, our being here would ultimately be obstructave to their own race, meaning they would most likely destroy us without our even knowing why people were dying. Of course you could argue that they're experimenting on us somehow, watching us with their sensories that we don't have. But even then, if they have sensories that can "see" us, we should be able to see them because, assumedly, they would have similar physical builds to our own. That is, carbon based.

Fuzzydoom · 01-27-2005, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Genkotsu Ikaru

Actually, the script's been done, in a fistful of made-for-TV sci-fi movies. So has the scientific discovery of things we couldn't sense. Google "atom", for example.

If there were something we just couldn't understand, we'd know because we'd be looking at it and saying "Wow... I don't understand!" If we were incapable of percieving such a thing, and anything that could be directly linked to such a thing... Well, there's been a lot of discussion about that. It's called "philosophy" and "religion".

Fuzzy, I can't link you to the specific scientific research. There's too much. Because that's the definition of science. Explaining and codifying phenomena. If you're referring to extra-sensory stuff, I don't know any links. I did my own experimentation based on reading (books I've long forgotten) and hearsay.

I'm sorry if I offended you, but would you please stop being so negative about my ideas. Maybe you don't agree in what I have to say or think I'm an evil heretic. Fine, your oppinion is your oppinion, but could you please stop making mine sound like something spoken by the anti-christ, or the village idiot?

01-27-2005, 08:42 PM	#13
BitVyper History's Strongest Dilettante Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Arcadia Posts: 6,662	Yes, I addressed all of that. Whether we're 'meant' to or not, is bordering on religious grounds though. __________________ "There are worlds out there where the sky is burning, and the sea is asleep, and the rivers dream. People made of smoke and cities made of song. Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, somewhere else the tea's getting cold. Come on, Ace; we've got work to do!" Awesome art be here.

01-27-2005, 09:01 PM	#14
Fuzzydoom lvl 6 shmuck Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: far far away Posts: 619	All I'm saying is that if there is a substance or creature or somesuch thta our minds can't understand how would we know? How can you prove if something you don't have is truly there or not. Think of it like trying to tell a blind person what the color blue is. What if there are more than five senses? What if, somewhere, there is an animal or somesuch that has an organ that allows it to "see" (for lack of a better word) things that even with infrared and what-not we still can't detect. How can you prove it wrong, or right for that matter, if you have no frame of refrence? Once again it's like trying to desribe the color blue to a person born blind. Ikaru, what scientific research are you referring to? Can you be more specific please? Has anyone ever done research into this kind of thign before? If so, would you mind please linking to any site or somesuch there may be on this subject? I'd appreciate it. And thanks to every one for telling me how dumb i am. Last edited by Fuzzydoom; 01-27-2005 at 09:05 PM.

01-27-2005, 09:11 PM	#15
Yunni L0L and so on... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Middlesbrough, England Posts: 207	Edit :P Edit... again. I think Fuzzy is trying to discuss a hypertheitcal situation, a "What if" is more of a discussion, rather than a debate. Which is good, concidering this is a discussion board :P Hrem.. I think that what you are wanting to talk is bordering on beliefs, since hard scientific evidence possibly negates any "What if" situations. I admit it would be very strange to have another hidden sense or world that we do not see, feel, hear, or touch - but... this remindes me of the Matrix XD Edit... again. Last edited by Yunni; 01-27-2005 at 09:16 PM.

01-27-2005, 09:13 PM	#16
Total_Calamity The Dude Abides Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: DS-9 Posts: 31	We're not here to tell you how dumb you are. You asked and we responded. And even though I think this is a great thought, the idea that we could have another sense is really irrelevent seeing as we've survived this long without it. And if there is stuff out there we can't sense, it hasn't bothered us yet, so why try to find it? This could be turned into an interesting script/story if anyone would put the time into it. __________________ "Smokey, this isn't Nam, it's bowling, there are rules." Walter, "The Big Lebowski"

01-27-2005, 09:15 PM	#17
Fuzzydoom lvl 6 shmuck Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: far far away Posts: 619	ummm... thanks. I appreciate the good words and such. I'm not talking about finding some creature that could possibly kill us all. If there are things we can't detect even with all our tech, think what we could be missing. This is gonna sound really sci-fi wanna be-ish, but what if there are whole races we don't know about. They could be sitting right next to me and laughing over my shoulder and I would never no it. I think that possibility is awesome. And if possible can some1 plz sight the scientific data your using to kill my crazy ideas? It just keeps getting harder to talk about crazy stuff with people anymore. Last edited by Fuzzydoom; 01-27-2005 at 09:20 PM.

01-27-2005, 08:27 PM	#11
lazy man Harrumph! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: My not-so-humble abode Posts: 2,891	Alright, since Fuzzy here is my friend in real life and he's already talked to me about this, I'll just explain a little more. This is more of a "What if..." type of thing. We're not trying to prove anybody wrong, just trying to wonder something that could happen. It's like aliens and other supernatural things. You can think about what might happen or what's going on, or you could just try and prove people wrong. This is more of the thinking side of that. Just try to have an open mind and think about it instead of trying to prove everything you see wrong. Anyway, back on topic. I think part of what Fuzzy is saying is what if there are senses we could have, but don't, and those senses could let us see something entirely different in the universe. The reason we wouldn't know about it is because it's beyond us, something we're not meant to have, maybe even something we had, but lost in our evolution. We could probably even gain it back, but it would probably require science or breaking our limits as humans. Even if it could be possible, it still might not be, and then there might be other things that go way beyond what I just said. If we ever find out, who knows what we could find out or gain, but we might not even be alive to find out if we find out.

01-27-2005, 08:42 PM	#12
Genkotsu Ikaru Troopa Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Kansas Posts: 69	Lazy, you and your friend have been a bit too involved in the low-budget sci-fi thing, I think. There's no "what if" here. In order for this whole thing to be viable, we'd have to omit a very large amount of scientific data, and that data would be the only thing we would have had available with which to formulate a response that means anything. Of course, I'm assuming the type of discussion you want is factual. If you're trying to write a novel or a script or something, don't bother. I think I've already seen that B movie. I wouldn't recommend it.

01-27-2005, 09:23 PM	#18
Genkotsu Ikaru Troopa Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Kansas Posts: 69	Actually, the script's been done, in a fistful of made-for-TV sci-fi movies. So has the scientific discovery of things we couldn't sense. Google "atom", for example. If there were something we just couldn't understand, we'd know because we'd be looking at it and saying "Wow... I don't understand!" If we were incapable of percieving such a thing, and anything that could be directly linked to such a thing... Well, there's been a lot of discussion about that. It's called "philosophy" and "religion". Fuzzy, I can't link you to the specific scientific research. There's too much. Because that's the definition of science. Explaining and codifying phenomena. If you're referring to extra-sensory stuff, I don't know any links. I did my own experimentation based on reading (books I've long forgotten) and hearsay.

01-27-2005, 09:30 PM	#19
Total_Calamity The Dude Abides Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: DS-9 Posts: 31	About the idea of another being that we can't percieve watching over our shoulders is highly unlikely. Just imagine that there ARE other beings we can't percieve but they can percieve us. First why can they percieve us? if they could they would have a sensory like ours which would mean they could communicate, and they haven't. Second, our being here would ultimately be obstructave to their own race, meaning they would most likely destroy us without our even knowing why people were dying. Of course you could argue that they're experimenting on us somehow, watching us with their sensories that we don't have. But even then, if they have sensories that can "see" us, we should be able to see them because, assumedly, they would have similar physical builds to our own. That is, carbon based. __________________ "Smokey, this isn't Nam, it's bowling, there are rules." Walter, "The Big Lebowski"