Beyond the human's mind to concieve- the limits of us as a people - Page 3

Yunni · 01-27-2005, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Fuzzydoom

I'm sorry if I offended you, but would you please stop being so negative about my ideas. Maybe you don't agree in what I have to say or think I'm an evil heretic. Fine, your oppinion is your oppinion, but could you please stop making mine sound like something spoken by the anti-christ, or the village idiot?

Don't take the burn, dude - I think it's fun to see what other people think. In a way, I kind of think there possibly IS something you are talking about... although instead of sci-fi - more in the paranormal catagory... Ghosts and spirits.

Ho ho ho, silly Yunni, making funny?
Deary, no - it's what I believe, or think, or whatever you want to call it. If science boffins don't like it, it's their oppinion and I respect that. If they try and throw facts in my face, then i'll shrug it off - it's like throwing 'proof' that God can't exist in the face of a Christian. You can't prove either way.

Genkotsu Ikaru · 01-27-2005, 09:40 PM

Fuzzy, I'm answering the questions you pose to the best of my ability. If it sounds like I'm making fun of you, I assure you, it's not because I'm being mean, it's because that's what the answers are. For instance, I have, in fact, seen multiple B movies with this theme. No, I didn't bother to remember the titles, but you can browse any video store and come up with countless examples. I pointed out for you "science", "religion", and "philosophy" because I exhausted the scientific explanations, and if you wanted to move beyond them, you'd have to go to religion or philosophy, where a lot of the thought deals, directly or indirectly, with what you're asking. I'm not trying to make this personal. Just trying to make things clear.

Fuzzydoom · 01-27-2005, 09:44 PM

Clear is an illusion. Especially since we can't see "clear"... it's clear. Never mind. forget I said anyhting. But on the thread note, I can see where Yunni's going. Maybe we should open up another htread based on this paranormal thingy?
P.S. It was the whole heretic thing that got me pissed.

Total_Calamity · 01-27-2005, 09:47 PM

If youd like, I'm sure it would be interesting. Just make sure not to get too religious

Genkotsu Ikaru · 01-27-2005, 09:53 PM

Yes, you can see "clear". Not directly, of course, but, assuming something is transparent and not colored at all, there will be airborn sediment landing on it, light shimmering on it, etc., and you're able to percieve it. It's just not an obstacle. This is actually a pretty fair representation of the thread as a whole. Even if we can't directly percieve something, we'll observe it interacting with its surroundings and outside forces. In that case, it's percieved. If it doesn't do any of those things, then it just isn't there in our reality. If it doesn't interact with anything at all, then it's not "real" in any applicable definition of the word.

Yunni · 01-27-2005, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Total_Calamity

If youd like, I'm sure it would be interesting. Just make sure not to get too religious

I don't think religious = paranormal.. it's more mythology in the most part - unless something is directly related to a religious issue - the Chinese had vampires, for example, in their mythology (vampire that fed on chi), as did the japanese (the hopping vampire :P).

Total_Calamity · 01-27-2005, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Genkotsu Ikaru

Yes, you can see "clear". Not directly, of course, but, assuming something is transparent and not colored at all, there will be airborn sediment landing on it, light shimmering on it, etc., and you're able to percieve it. It's just not an obstacle. This is actually a pretty fair representation of the thread as a whole. Even if we can't directly percieve something, we'll observe it interacting with its surroundings and outside forces. In that case, it's percieved. If it doesn't do any of those things, then it just isn't there in our reality. If it doesn't interact with anything at all, then it's not "real" in any applicable definition of the word.

Very true. If we couldn't see the things we're talking about we would still be able to hear it, smell it, taste it(under the right circumstances), sense it's presence, or see it intereact with the things around it; like footprints in snow. And if we couldn't do any of those things to percieve it, it's just not in our reality.

BitVyper · 01-27-2005, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Genkotsu Ikaru

Yes, you can see "clear". Not directly, of course, but, assuming something is transparent and not colored at all, there will be airborn sediment landing on it, light shimmering on it, etc., and you're able to percieve it. It's just not an obstacle. This is actually a pretty fair representation of the thread as a whole. Even if we can't directly percieve something, we'll observe it interacting with its surroundings and outside forces. In that case, it's percieved. If it doesn't do any of those things, then it just isn't there in our reality. If it doesn't interact with anything at all, then it's not "real" in any applicable definition of the word.

That, and clear is just a property of matter, not matter itself.

Illuminatus · 01-27-2005, 10:00 PM

I'm one to talk, but you guys are being awfully cynical about this. Is it really that hard to consider the possiblity of something beyond human being's ability to sense?

Fuzzydoom · 01-27-2005, 10:03 PM

That's what I said.

01-27-2005, 09:44 PM	#23
Fuzzydoom lvl 6 shmuck Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: far far away Posts: 619	Clear is an illusion. Especially since we can't see "clear"... it's clear. Never mind. forget I said anyhting. But on the thread note, I can see where Yunni's going. Maybe we should open up another htread based on this paranormal thingy? P.S. It was the whole heretic thing that got me pissed. __________________ I think all the funny in my fingertips dried up a while ago. I leveled up!

01-27-2005, 09:47 PM	#24
Total_Calamity The Dude Abides Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: DS-9 Posts: 31	If youd like, I'm sure it would be interesting. Just make sure not to get too religious __________________ "Smokey, this isn't Nam, it's bowling, there are rules." Walter, "The Big Lebowski"

01-27-2005, 10:00 PM	#29
Illuminatus The Dread Pirate Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Where the wild things are Posts: 1,310	I'm one to talk, but you guys are being awfully cynical about this. Is it really that hard to consider the possiblity of something beyond human being's ability to sense? __________________ Man, n. An animal so lost in rapturous contemplation of what he thinks he is as to overlook what he indubitably ought to be. His chief occupation is the extermination of other animals and his own species, which, however, multiplies with such insistent rapidity as to infest the whole habitable earth and Canada. -Ambrose Bierce's Devil's Dictionary

01-27-2005, 10:03 PM	#30
Fuzzydoom lvl 6 shmuck Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: far far away Posts: 619	That's what I said. __________________ I think all the funny in my fingertips dried up a while ago. I leveled up!

01-27-2005, 09:40 PM	#22
Genkotsu Ikaru Troopa Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Kansas Posts: 69	Fuzzy, I'm answering the questions you pose to the best of my ability. If it sounds like I'm making fun of you, I assure you, it's not because I'm being mean, it's because that's what the answers are. For instance, I have, in fact, seen multiple B movies with this theme. No, I didn't bother to remember the titles, but you can browse any video store and come up with countless examples. I pointed out for you "science", "religion", and "philosophy" because I exhausted the scientific explanations, and if you wanted to move beyond them, you'd have to go to religion or philosophy, where a lot of the thought deals, directly or indirectly, with what you're asking. I'm not trying to make this personal. Just trying to make things clear.

01-27-2005, 09:53 PM	#25
Genkotsu Ikaru Troopa Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Kansas Posts: 69	Yes, you can see "clear". Not directly, of course, but, assuming something is transparent and not colored at all, there will be airborn sediment landing on it, light shimmering on it, etc., and you're able to percieve it. It's just not an obstacle. This is actually a pretty fair representation of the thread as a whole. Even if we can't directly percieve something, we'll observe it interacting with its surroundings and outside forces. In that case, it's percieved. If it doesn't do any of those things, then it just isn't there in our reality. If it doesn't interact with anything at all, then it's not "real" in any applicable definition of the word.