Beyond the human's mind to concieve- the limits of us as a people - Page 5

Fuzzydoom · 01-27-2005, 10:45 PM

Well, the anamoly itself isn't readily observable, I mean we cant walk out into space (theoretically) and say " I smell an anomoly", or "this place tastes like an anomoly", or "hmm i feel an anomoly comin on". Though u do have a point... damn
I just can't win. Well fine, ur right, but just by recognising that it's there doesn't mean we can comprehend what it "is". I can't really describe it so im gonna say it's "being" for the sake of arguement. Anyways, therfore an anomoly is still within the boundaries of my thread.
Damn this thing is getting really really long.

Genkotsu Ikaru · 01-27-2005, 10:51 PM

How is that not observing? Say I hear you walking up behind me. That's not you in my ear. That's air vibrating from your footfall, and the vibration reached my ear. I still observed your presence, via a phenomenon you caused. The thing that makes an anomaly different is that, well, it's different. You can observe something about it, but it's something you're not expecting. That's what's so anomalous about it.

Fuzzydoom · 01-27-2005, 10:57 PM

But what if i didn't interact with the space surrounding you in a way u register as someone aproaching. What if I was of a race that you couldnt see hear taste smell see or feal. Wouldn't it make sense that I would react with the objects around you in a way different from what you'd expect from something you can percieve normally?

Genkotsu Ikaru · 01-27-2005, 11:06 PM

No, Fuzzy. If you could walk across the floor, through the air, I could hear you or smell you just from that alone. If you can't interact with things in that manner, then you're not real. End of story.

01-28-2005, 03:13 AM

Not real? To what extent does your reality exist, Ikaru? Simply put, this is a topic that will first delve into science, and inevitably fall into one's "religious" beliefs. If ghosts are to exist, how can you observe them? Through sight? Hearing? Perhaps there is something more, as stated earlier, a sixth sense.

After all, how can some others virtually detect the thoughts of others? (You can call me nuts on this, but I've witnessed these things happen) Predict events without knowing a thing about them? Know an entire person's life without ever knowing a person existed?

Clearly some of you have things you need to think about should you find them worthy of the time. Otherwise, these things are naught but more than simple fledgling indignities that science can explain.

After all, it could just be an over exposure to magnetism.

Feel free to PM or IM (preferable to be instant messaged) me to talk further. (my SN is in my profile) Sharing more on the matter goes into areas where the rules say topics shouldn't go.

Edit:

I would just like to say one thing to people who would hear nothing of said "sixth or more senses." Do not be so convinced in what you "know," for it may turn out one day that all that you know, or thought you knew, is completely wrong.

Also, I ask anyone here to prove to me what is knowledge; what they know for certainty that applies to the universe.

And, lastly, a good way of looking at "additional senses" is enlightenment. Needless to say, I know not what enlightenment would feel like, but someday I shall hope to. Building upon that, what I am saying is to remain open in your ways for future comings, for some things just might surprise -- even shock -- you. Again, I avert all further queries to IM as discussion there can freely be of the "religious" sort.

Genkotsu Ikaru · 01-28-2005, 04:40 AM

Ya know, I don't know how to reply to this post without repeating myself one more time.

If these things exist, they interact with the rest of the world in some way. That's more or less the meaning of existance. Within the scope of this discussion, without restating the whole of philisophy (including religion), that means that something of the nature you describe would be observable.

I'm not going to argue about the existance or non-existance of ghosts. I'm just going to point out that people talk about seeing or hearing the presence or actions of ghosts. No extra senses required. As for "telepathy", I've experienced it. It amounts to a knowledge of a person's conversation habits, along with observation of their body language, subvocalizations, and other such subtleties. When I was in the Army, I could tell what my barracks-mate was thinking by the way he shifted in his bed. Not because I was reading his mind, but because I knew him really, really well. And predicting the future is something of the same. Knowing future events is the art of reading current patterns based on the input you have.

Robot Jesus · 01-28-2005, 04:48 AM

The thing is, in the end its impossible to prove that our 5 senses actually exist. Our perception of the external world could just be a hallucination and where just really an abstract consciousness ness in a universe without matter. Merely imagining everyone and everything around us. You just need to accept that your senses are correct and move on.
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Total_Calamity · 01-28-2005, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Robot Jesus

The thing is, in the end its impossible to prove that our 5 senses actually exist. Our perception of the external world could just be a hallucination and where just really an abstract consciousness ness in a universe without matter. Merely imagining everyone and everything around us. You just need to accept that your senses are correct and move on.
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That's way to sci fi. We have to admit our senses are correct because it's all we know. And I'm not sure if this has any immediate relation to the conversation now, but I would like to point out that there are people with only 4 senses that survive just as well as people with all 5. For example, a blind person can survive by "seeing" with their ears, not seeing colors like most people do but hearing what is going on around them and putting the sounds together to make a mental image of what's where around them. So I guess where I'm going with this is that even if we do have a "sixth sense" we don't need it because we've survived this long without it(and yes, I know I've said this numerous times throughout the thread).

01-28-2005, 02:08 PM

Holy crap beating a dead horse can be so much fun. Only now it's turned into globs of red jellatinous globs. Maybe a few pieces of bone and sinew as well.

Long story short, you guys, in my opinion mind you, need to think beyond the surface if you are to understand what you say you do. Otherwise, you're merely saying exactly as others tell you and you're more than happy being a lapdog to someone else's ideas. Me, that's just not good enough for me. I need a little more than "knowing" what someone else tells me is truth.

And, again, I'm going to avoid sharing any ideas on said "telepathy," etc, for the sake of avoiding flaming.

Yeah, I think that about says it...

Fuzzydoom · 01-28-2005, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Total_Calamity

That's way to sci fi. We have to admit our senses are correct because it's all we know. And I'm not sure if this has any immediate relation to the conversation now, but I would like to point out that there are people with only 4 senses that survive just as well as people with all 5. For example, a blind person can survive by "seeing" with their ears, not seeing colors like most people do but hearing what is going on around them and putting the sounds together to make a mental image of what's where around them. So I guess where I'm going with this is that even if we do have a "sixth sense" we don't need it because we've survived this long without it(and yes, I know I've said this numerous times throughout the thread).

I see exactly where ur coming from with that. My point is how would we know if there were other senses that we don't know about that other races might have?
Now, if their is one there could be more, what I'm saying in earlier threads is that maybe there are things we cna't percieve with the senses we have. SO Ikaruga has said that we would be able to tell by how they react with the world around them. What I'm saying in my last thread before this one is that if they can't be detected by our standard senses, then wouldn't it make sense that they would react with the world around them in a way we wouldn't recognize for what it is?

01-27-2005, 10:45 PM	#41
Fuzzydoom lvl 6 shmuck Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: far far away Posts: 619	Well, the anamoly itself isn't readily observable, I mean we cant walk out into space (theoretically) and say " I smell an anomoly", or "this place tastes like an anomoly", or "hmm i feel an anomoly comin on". Though u do have a point... damn I just can't win. Well fine, ur right, but just by recognising that it's there doesn't mean we can comprehend what it "is". I can't really describe it so im gonna say it's "being" for the sake of arguement. Anyways, therfore an anomoly is still within the boundaries of my thread. Damn this thing is getting really really long. __________________ I think all the funny in my fingertips dried up a while ago. I leveled up!

01-27-2005, 10:57 PM	#43
Fuzzydoom lvl 6 shmuck Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: far far away Posts: 619	But what if i didn't interact with the space surrounding you in a way u register as someone aproaching. What if I was of a race that you couldnt see hear taste smell see or feal. Wouldn't it make sense that I would react with the objects around you in a way different from what you'd expect from something you can percieve normally? __________________ I think all the funny in my fingertips dried up a while ago. I leveled up!

01-28-2005, 03:13 AM	#45
LordTobias Guest Posts: n/a	Not real? To what extent does your reality exist, Ikaru? Simply put, this is a topic that will first delve into science, and inevitably fall into one's "religious" beliefs. If ghosts are to exist, how can you observe them? Through sight? Hearing? Perhaps there is something more, as stated earlier, a sixth sense. After all, how can some others virtually detect the thoughts of others? (You can call me nuts on this, but I've witnessed these things happen) Predict events without knowing a thing about them? Know an entire person's life without ever knowing a person existed? Clearly some of you have things you need to think about should you find them worthy of the time. Otherwise, these things are naught but more than simple fledgling indignities that science can explain. After all, it could just be an over exposure to magnetism. Feel free to PM or IM (preferable to be instant messaged) me to talk further. (my SN is in my profile) Sharing more on the matter goes into areas where the rules say topics shouldn't go. Edit: I would just like to say one thing to people who would hear nothing of said "sixth or more senses." Do not be so convinced in what you "know," for it may turn out one day that all that you know, or thought you knew, is completely wrong. Also, I ask anyone here to prove to me what is knowledge; what they know for certainty that applies to the universe. And, lastly, a good way of looking at "additional senses" is enlightenment. Needless to say, I know not what enlightenment would feel like, but someday I shall hope to. Building upon that, what I am saying is to remain open in your ways for future comings, for some things just might surprise -- even shock -- you. Again, I avert all further queries to IM as discussion there can freely be of the "religious" sort. Last edited by LordTobias; 01-28-2005 at 03:20 AM.

01-28-2005, 04:48 AM	#47
Robot Jesus Libertarian Socialist Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 377	The thing is, in the end its impossible to prove that our 5 senses actually exist. Our perception of the external world could just be a hallucination and where just really an abstract consciousness ness in a universe without matter. Merely imagining everyone and everything around us. You just need to accept that your senses are correct and move on. . __________________ We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. ---Richard Dawkins there was only one true Christian, and he died on the cross. ---Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche These are rumors spread by the liberal, elite media. Much like civil rights and Kepler's Laws of Planetary Motion.

01-27-2005, 10:51 PM	#42
Genkotsu Ikaru Troopa Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Kansas Posts: 69	How is that not observing? Say I hear you walking up behind me. That's not you in my ear. That's air vibrating from your footfall, and the vibration reached my ear. I still observed your presence, via a phenomenon you caused. The thing that makes an anomaly different is that, well, it's different. You can observe something about it, but it's something you're not expecting. That's what's so anomalous about it.

01-27-2005, 11:06 PM	#44
Genkotsu Ikaru Troopa Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Kansas Posts: 69	No, Fuzzy. If you could walk across the floor, through the air, I could hear you or smell you just from that alone. If you can't interact with things in that manner, then you're not real. End of story.

01-28-2005, 04:40 AM	#46
Genkotsu Ikaru Troopa Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Kansas Posts: 69	Ya know, I don't know how to reply to this post without repeating myself one more time. If these things exist, they interact with the rest of the world in some way. That's more or less the meaning of existance. Within the scope of this discussion, without restating the whole of philisophy (including religion), that means that something of the nature you describe would be observable. I'm not going to argue about the existance or non-existance of ghosts. I'm just going to point out that people talk about seeing or hearing the presence or actions of ghosts. No extra senses required. As for "telepathy", I've experienced it. It amounts to a knowledge of a person's conversation habits, along with observation of their body language, subvocalizations, and other such subtleties. When I was in the Army, I could tell what my barracks-mate was thinking by the way he shifted in his bed. Not because I was reading his mind, but because I knew him really, really well. And predicting the future is something of the same. Knowing future events is the art of reading current patterns based on the input you have.

01-28-2005, 02:08 PM	#49
LordTobias Guest Posts: n/a	Holy crap beating a dead horse can be so much fun. Only now it's turned into globs of red jellatinous globs. Maybe a few pieces of bone and sinew as well. Long story short, you guys, in my opinion mind you, need to think beyond the surface if you are to understand what you say you do. Otherwise, you're merely saying exactly as others tell you and you're more than happy being a lapdog to someone else's ideas. Me, that's just not good enough for me. I need a little more than "knowing" what someone else tells me is truth. And, again, I'm going to avoid sharing any ideas on said "telepathy," etc, for the sake of avoiding flaming. Yeah, I think that about says it...