The Nintendo Zii: This Year at GDC

[Kim]

Nintendo May Announce New Console at GDC (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/98019-Rumor-Nintendo-To-Announce-New-Platform-At-GDC)

Obviously this is far from confirmed, but I can't help but feel this is too soon, if it is true.

I'm also considering that it might just the a new version of the same console, like the DSi. Nintendo supposedly copyrighted the name Zii, so it would almost vaguely make sense.

"The Nintendo Zii! Now featuring controllers you can afford you middle class son of a bitch!"

[Kerensky287]

"The Nintendo Zii! Now featuring controllers you can afford you middle class son of a bitch!"

More like "The Nintendo Zii! Now featuring an online system worth a damn, and maybe a patch for Smash Bros Brawl or something!" Because honestly right now Brawl is the only Wii game I give 2 shits about.

[synkr0nized]

What, they'll make the screen wider and remove the ability to play GC games?


Oh, no, perhaps they will be adding a Z axis so you can jump, too.

[Bells]

Because honestly right now Brawl is the only Wii game I give 2 shits about.

That's....

...well, you're actually missing on quite a LOT of stuff then.

I doubt Nintendo would launc a new console now... the "Zii" and "Wii HD" Rumors have been around for some time. They have a new Zelda coming out for the Wii, new Mario Galaxy, still a bunch of decent games coming this year... it would make little sense to launch a new platform right now when they are still leaders in sales across the board.

[Loyal]

Yeah, the Wii's still going way too strong right now for a new console to be in any way feasible.

[Kim]

That's....

...well, you're actually missing on quite a LOT of stuff then.

I doubt Nintendo would launc a new console now... the "Zii" and "Wii HD" Rumors have been around for some time. They have a new Zelda coming out for the Wii, new Mario Galaxy, still a bunch of decent games coming this year... it would make little sense to launch a new platform right now when they are still leaders in sales across the board.

Actually, if memory serves, sales of the Wii itself have been dropping pretty dramatically of late. Plus announcing it now would just mean it's coming out in two or three years, not this year, unless it is just an upgraded version instead of a whole new console. If it is an upgrade, those very games you mentioned would still be selling for that console, as well as the existing Wii.

[Mike McC]

Nintendo announces new consoles a few years out from release. Then it's a slow release of information building up what it's going to be like.

[Nightshine]

This better be marketed towards hardcore gamers and hardcore gamers only.

[Sithdarth]

This better be marketed towards hardcore gamers and hardcore gamers only.

Can we please not do this in like every Nintendo thread ever. Seriously at this point its been elevated almost to the point of discrimination against anyone that doesn't self identify as a hardcore gamer. On top of that it is an utterly meaningless distinction which is little more than cover for what appears to be the sentiment that all games ever made should be of a certain type a person likes and damn everyone else.

On topic I'm not exactly sure where Nintendo can go that's really that new but they always seem to find something.

[stefan]

This better be marketed towards hardcore gamers and hardcore gamers only.

cry me a fucking river. "hardcore" gamers bitched to no end about everything Nintendo ever did, and once nintendo handily proved that "hardcore" gamers weren't needed for a successful gaming console, they come crawling back like an abusive boyfriend who realized the woman was the one who actually got shit done in the relationship.

[Roland]

hardcore gamers

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/badass.jpg

Moving on, in all likelihood it's probably just the DSiXL. Probably.

[Kim]

The main problem with the Wii, as I see it, is that it has a new control system that most other developers don't know how to use properly yet, meaning that their shallow attempts to make it work hurt otherwise good games. Additionally, since the Wii isn't HD, it's cheaper to make games for it, so you get a lot of third party companies making shovelware because even if it sells poorly, they'll still make a profit, especially given that a lot of Wii owners aren't always as informed about what games are good or not. They also aren't as experienced with games and thus aren't as picky. The problems with the Wii have very little to do with the Wii itself or Nintendo.

EDIT: Oh, right, I guess I'm still pretty pissed about how much the controllers cost all in all, but other than that...

[Nightshine]

cry me a fucking river. "hardcore" gamers bitched to no end about everything Nintendo ever did, and once nintendo handily proved that "hardcore" gamers weren't needed for a successful gaming console, they come crawling back like an abusive boyfriend who realized the woman was the one who actually got shit done in the relationship.

It's too easy now.

It's too bland now.

It's too lame now.

It's too cliche now.

It's too boring now.



Where are the video games for people who want to play something deep, difficult and INVENTIVE?

[Azisien]

It's too easy now.

It's too bland now.

It's too lame now.

It's too cliche now.

It's too boring now.



Where are the video games for people who want to play something deep, difficult and INVENTIVE?

You're a cliche.

http://www.mywii.com.au/img/game/large/Calvin-Tucker-s-Redneck-Jamboree-1.jpg

[Kim]

Where are the video games for people who want to play something deep, difficult and INVENTIVE?

Persona 3, Persona 4, Nocturne, God Hand, Killer7, No More Heroes, No More Heroes 2, Devil May Cry 3, Contra 4, TWEWY, Trauma Center, Silent Hill 2, Mirror's Edge, Lost Planet, Dead Rising, Contact, and probably half a billion other games that I couldn't think of off the top of my head. Of course, this is also after limiting myself to games that came out this console generation or on the PS2.

EDIT: Oh yeah and MGS3 because that shit is awesome.

[Bells]

Where are the video games for people who want to play something deep, difficult and INVENTIVE?

"Deep" is subjective.
"Difficult" is a silly ground to build something that is supposed to turn a profit
"Inventive" is subjective.

Zack And Wiki was Difficult, was Inventive and it didn't sold.

Disaster: Day of Crisis was Deep and Inventive and it didn't sold.

Tales of Symphonia 2 and Tales of Graces (i've played): are both of manageable Difficulty and deep and sold not as much as desired.

Mario Galaxy could be Difficult, and it's inventive.

If i go to my own personal choices, Gundam Wars and Fire Emblem are both hard as FUCK, inventive enough and deep.

"Deep difficult and inventive" by themselves don't mean a damn thing...

Point being that the Wii is a commercial success and, sadly, for gamers the intake of simplistic and entry-level titles is much larger than that of games that engage you for months on end.

Some of us like games but simply don't have the time or the simple desire to seek our teeths for hundreds of hours in a game just to beat it because it's "Oh so fucking difficult". Even the top sellers in the 360 and PS3 are games that got mixed feelings and range around simplistic and over beaten tactics and gameplay mechanics but survive on a cinematic experience and stunning visual display.

Sadly, the Wii can produce games of the same caliber than God of War 2, Final Fantasy XII and Devil May Cry 3, but rarely a producer wants to put that kind of money and time in there.

I was never a huge fan of the Wii at first, and i still own mine here. And i have a collection of over 100 games for it, and these are games i PLAY, there were games i didn't like and i simply give it away or return it (it's easier since they are mostly free) so, over time i come to learn that the meat of the Wii is not trully known by many.

I don't want to get rid of the thing now, it's fun, it's light and i can engage in complex gameplay whenever the hell i want. Maybe today i'll clear one mission on Modern Warfare Reflex before going to bed... or maybe i'll clear one more mission on Tony Hawk Proving Grounds.

But maybe i want to beat one more opponent on Bakugan, or maybe level up my Gundam a little bit further or give that one hard quest o Valhalla Knights another Shot. Or maybe i just want to build a new house in My Sims, or play around a bit in Mario Kart or Tatsunoko Vs Capcom.

Hell... sometimes i put in some Endless Ocean and go swimming with my Dolphin. Just as much as i can play on match with my team on Pro Evolution Soccer or practice my swing in Tiger Woods 10.

The Wii has a TON of good AND great games. And it's a shame most people don't know it. Sadly not everyone has a chance to try as many gamas as i had the chance to, and i wish they could. It would change their vision. It certainly changed mine.

I still think that the Wiimotion Plus is a lame ripoff cashcow. I still think the Online system of the Wii is a joke (thus why my console is not hooked up) and i still think the developers could sink their teeth a little further into the game and develop amazing things.

But it's FAR from a Failure or a "Lessen Console".

Also, from what i saw around this "Zii" thing was just a Trademark Nintendo filled to fight another Asian trademark that was aiming at that. And with the Motionplus still in it's infancy and the whole "Vitality sensor" they want to push around... i would say Nintendo has at least 1 more year ahead before they even announce a new console

[Mirai Gen]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand there goes the thread.

[Mike McC]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand there goes the thread.To be fair, it's not like this thread had much of a chance of this not happening eventually.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Well it seems Nintendo will be the first out of the gate next gen.

[Kim]

To be fair, it's not like this thread had much of a chance of this not happening eventually.

Point. Still, it would have been nice if we'd been able to make it a single page before hitting "THE WII IS A DUMB CASUAL GAMER CONSOLE FOR GRANDMAS AND MENTALLY HANDICAPPED TODDLERS!"

Trying to get the thread back on track: I'm kind of curious if they're going to go for 3D technology beyond wearing stupid paper glasses. I mean, I don't really know how they'd do that, but it'd be neat. Of course, for all we know, it'll be the WiiHD, but with a $200 force-feedback bodysuit.

[Marc v4.0]

ahem...

This better be marketed towards hardcore gamers and hardcore gamers only.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1633/troold.gif

[bluestarultor]

All I have to say is I will be VERY disappointed if Nintendo doesn't make an updated (aka actually functional) Power Glove within the next two console generations. I don't even care if it has force feedback anymore at this point. (Okay, I do, but I can settle for less if I absolutely have to.) The seed of a great idea is there: manipulate objects with your hands. You don't get much more fine-tuned than that.

[Mirai Gen]

Point. Still, it would have been nice if we'd been able to make it a single page before hitting "THE WII IS A DUMB CASUAL GAMER CONSOLE FOR GRANDMAS AND MENTALLY HANDICAPPED TODDLERS!"
We can all thank Nightshine.

[Hanuman]

Wii is the only console worth buying.
HOLD ON I WILL EXPLAIN

Ok, there's no argument that the PC is the ultimate gaming system, and if you try you will fail. If you replace your normal gaming system's wacky plug ends with USB plugs and gaming disks could be read and played on PC's you'd make the switch immediately.

PRE-EMPT STRIKE!
With 1 cable (less than 20USD) you can use your computer's visual feed directly into your TV, and if you are worried about all the cables and finicky business of hooking up a clunky box up to the back of your TV then take a look at what you do with your console in the first place.
The entire concept of windows making Xbox is so ridiculous compared to them just making XBOX OS built into off-the-shelf PCs that if they switched to that plan the console wars would be over, Microsoft would get all the money, all the exclusives for outsourced dev games, Sony would sink like a stone and Wii would be fairly untouched.

No wonder apple is blowing Windows out of the water, they don't see apple's critical weakpoint.

But what they don't have is 2 things:
1) Fun same-room multiplayer games systems have used devs to build exclusively for their systems.
2) A good market for cool physical-based tech that modifies your playing experience, which went out of style in the late 90's with flight sim and driving wheels.

Now, I agree that other systems have this... but honestly compared to brawl the other games available just suck. Why? Because almost all of them are shooters and shooters work infinitely better with this gaming device (http://sliceofmit.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/mouse1.jpg), which as laptops (for LAN parties) become more and more useful as gaming devices as the devs figure out that there is a limit to the amount of eyecandy you can stuff into a game before it becomes less budget-worthy that developing less hardware-intensive content... like extending the playing experience past the 7 day mark.

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Wii fit board is awesome, it just is.

Every wii bought supports the advancement of IR tracking dev in games, which is going to be CRAZY awesome... I mean facial recognition tech + IR tracker tech... next gen Nintendo console could use simple black cloth bands with cheap little reflective beads on them (only a few $ to create, ship and buy) and transform your body into a 2d rendering version of this (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_liDP9r7h7UY/SiEPyLBJzyI/AAAAAAAAAK4/ctcQFUkUoHc/s400/Optical+Motion+Capture.gif) which could skin your body into the game as well.

OR Wii could go with the other path lined up for it, using the camera device to use facial recognition to zoom in on your face and trace your pupil movements into cursor movement, then you could wear a tiara-like helmet (about 30 seconds to hook it on and apply pads) and then we could start seeing thought-controlled console gaming like they started developing early last year.

All cool stuff, but srsly the devs for PS and Xbox need to switch over to computer.


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If you are having too easy of a time with games, there are a few options for you:

Because the demograph of gaming has actually been diminished by its popularity, gaming is now "cool" and every "average" INT dick and tom meathead has an Xbox, playstation or whathaveyou, along with the expansion of the demograph beyond the ESRB's age limit on it... so a 13+ game might be playstyled for the "average" 10 year old up to the crunked 25 year old.

How to escape this problem? Find games built for a different demograph, Korea is an example of a gaming demograph with HUGE diversity, from one extreme to another their demograph is the most demanding.

Another way to escape this demograph is to escape back into the past where single player games were built to be challenging, before massive multiplayer games were popular and thus soaked up most of the intense gaming userbase... ghosts and ghouls, megaman 5, mario kaizo, stuff like that.

[Marc v4.0]

We can all shank Nightshine.

You made a spelling error

[Kim]

Lev Post

AAAAAAAAAGH

Please stop console warring in this thread. PLEASE.

[McTahr]

Seeya Nightshine. You know why.

Anyway, at this juncture, I can't see them really doing a "revamp" of the console without making people buy new hardware to play the fancy new games it can run, so I suspect this is more of a "Hey in like a couple years, this Wii thing? We're gonna Out-Bitchin' it. Yeah. We made that word up just for the occasion."

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Lev, consoles are already going the PC route. by the third gen after this one, consoles will be no different then PCs. In fact next gen all 3 systems will have motion controls equal to the wii's. It's obviously going to happen.

[Hanuman]

Lev, consoles are already going the PC route. by the third gen after this one, consoles will be no different then PCs. In fact next gen all 3 systems will have motion controls equal to the wii's. It's obviously going to happen.
1) Why buy a console trying to be a computer when you could buy just a computer without paying for the brand name on every stick of ram and videocard?
2) TBH I don't like the wii's controls as-is... they were rushed and that's understandable. The IR camera tracker works wonderfully for games like COD... until someone grapples you and then you need to swing wildly around for about a solid minute... or try frantically to figure out how to use the motion for the defibrillator paddles in Trauma Center, which come to think of it is a very fun and challenging game!

[Kim]

So I'm not sure what the Wii2 will do with the motion controls. I'm pretty sure I recall an uppity up at Nintendo saying something about how Natal is a bad idea or something, so I don't think they'll go that route, even if they were just trying to downplay the Microsoft E3 conference. Haven't found a source for that yet, though. They might scale motion controls back and make it more like a regular controller that has motion control capabilities, without them being the focus. Maybe create the illusion of 3D by somehow manipulating the screen to be moving as the controller moves or some such. I remember seeing something vaguely similar on Youtube a year or two back.

[Mike McC]

Requesting a generic console war rage-off thread because we need a place to banish that stuff to. People just won't stop getting mad 'bout veedjia jhames.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

1) Why buy a console trying to be a computer when you could buy just a computer without paying for the brand name on every stick of ram and videocard?
2) TBH I don't like the wii's controls as-is... they were rushed and that's understandable. The IR camera tracker works wonderfully for games like COD... until someone grapples you and then you need to swing wildly around for about a solid minute... or try frantically to figure out how to use the motion for the defibrillator paddles in Trauma Center, which come to think of it is a very fun and challenging game!

In the end when you add up the price you would have to pay to get a new Com and/or parts for it you're still paying more then you would for a new console. I know because if all you really had to do was get new ram I'd be running Vista/7 by now. Phoenix more then likely will be using a motion set up similar to what's seen in the movie "GAMER". You know that motion add on for the 360 that Microsoft was talking about months/a year ago.

I guess what i should have said is that in 20 years time (3 gens) consoles will be computers. As in it will be the exact same thing.

[Bells]

Ok ok, let's get constructive here. WIIHD was debunked by Nintendo itself. Not that it's not possible, but it's not on the table right now...

BUT...

If the merged the Nucnhuk and Wiimote and Wiimote Plus into one design... then make it BC compatible with the whole Wii and Gamecube library, then open it's Online capabilities and substituite the IR bar for something better (not a camera, but not something that can be replaced by a par of freaking candles)

Now you keep the Flash memory (bigger) and allow the thing to use USB HDD solutions.

Now the Twist. The current nunchuk, merged with the original Wiimote, gives place for a new Wireless Power Glove. Optional for most games, but useful.

In the end, what you TRULY get is a "Wii2". But the Wii works on it's own unniverse, so a good upgrade is better than a full overall.

[Doc ock rokc]

NO! I Don't want a new generation Yet! I DON'T HAVE THE CASH!

[bluestarultor]

1) Why buy a console trying to be a computer when you could buy just a computer without paying for the brand name on every stick of ram and videocard?
2) TBH I don't like the wii's controls as-is... they were rushed and that's understandable. The IR camera tracker works wonderfully for games like COD... until someone grapples you and then you need to swing wildly around for about a solid minute... or try frantically to figure out how to use the motion for the defibrillator paddles in Trauma Center, which come to think of it is a very fun and challenging game!

The problem with IR tracking is that, like a remote, it only works when you're pointing directly at the receiver. The "sensor bar" actually doesn't sense shit; it's the part that emits the IR. The Wii-mote is the part that actually senses stuff. Without Motion Plus, if you're not pointing it directly at the screen, it's totally blind.

A better alternative is actual tracking, like the PS3 wand or Natal. The camera is an actual camera that looks into the room, eliminating blind spots. Sure, it makes point and click a bit more difficult, but if you want point and click, that's what a mouse is for. Aside from that, it's not impossible with tracking; you just have to track an object as the pointer, rather than having a pointing beam. It simply means that the pointing is a gesture, which means out of the box, the Wii-mote requires the least movement out of any of the motion control systems, which entirely defeats the marketing.

Edit: My bad, I missed the "don't." >.<;

[Azisien]

In the end when you add up the price you would have to pay to get a new Com and/or parts for it you're still paying more then you would for a new console.

This is only somewhat true. I'd say to surpass the performance compared to console gaming you have to spend more on a PC, but I'm the exception in my circle of PC gamers because I was willing to do that. Most of the friends I play Left 4 Dead 2 with are doing so on $200-300 refurbished desktops.

And of course not counting the multitasking ability of PCs.

And the games which are on average $10-30 cheaper than console games.

And the god damn mouse and keyboard god daaaamn.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

This is only somewhat true. I'd say to surpass the performance compared to console gaming you have to spend more on a PC, but I'm the exception in my circle of PC gamers because I was willing to do that. Most of the friends I play Left 4 Dead 2 with are doing so on $200-300 refurbished desktops.

And of course not counting the multitasking ability of PCs.

And the games which are on average $10-30 cheaper than console games.

And the god damn mouse and keyboard god daaaamn.
Some consoles have/had keyboards (DC had one. 360, and PS3 are compatible with just about anything that can be plugged up to a USB port to my knowledge which shouldn't be interpreted as a fact.) That aside everything is else is correct.

[bluestarultor]

This is only somewhat true. I'd say to surpass the performance compared to console gaming you have to spend more on a PC, but I'm the exception in my circle of PC gamers because I was willing to do that. Most of the friends I play Left 4 Dead 2 with are doing so on $200-300 refurbished desktops.

And of course not counting the multitasking ability of PCs.

And the games which are on average $10-30 cheaper than console games.

And the god damn mouse and keyboard god daaaamn.

I just want to say this, but a lack of multitasking is actually one of the greatest strengths of consoles because it means it can use resources however is needed without having to divide them up. Computers don't actually multitask so much as rapidly switch between different tasks, putting a higher load on the resources just by having to switch. In a console environment, it's easier to code things because you don't have to worry about sharing the resources or the sunk resources used to do the rapid switching.

Some consoles have/had keyboards (DC had one. 360, and PS3 are compatible with just about anything that can be plugged up to a USB port to my knowledge which shouldn't be interpreted as a fact.) That aside everything is else is correct.

I wouldn't be so against having keyboard controls if developers didn't feel they had to use every single one. That's another strength of consoles is that their controllers have a limited number of buttons to force some modicum of restraint onto developers, and even then, people these days can't be dissuaded from using L and R3.

[Kim]

@Bells: If I remember correctly, they didn't say the next Wii wouldn't have HD, but that it wouldn't be exclusively HD. They don't want to lose their shovelware developers, so HD won't be a requirement for games to play on it.

[PsychicKid]

Nintendo copyrights names all the time. Just look at the Pokémon franchise. They likely snagged Zii just to keep poor imitators from flooding the market.

[bluestarultor]

Nintendo copyrights names all the time. Just look at the Pokémon franchise. They likely snagged Zii just to keep poor imitators from flooding the market.

Like the Vii.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wed_bW8iiEw

Not the commercial, but this actually drives the point home that nobody's kidding.

[Bells]

@Bells: If I remember correctly, they didn't say the next Wii wouldn't have HD, but that it wouldn't be exclusively HD. They don't want to lose their shovelware developers, so HD won't be a requirement for games to play on it.

to be honest, just this week i saw at Kotaku a piece about that "Mistranslated" interview from nintendo on a japanese mag where the nintendo rep pretty much said "we talk about new hardware all the time, but that doesn't mean we're going forwards with a thing or the other".

Which i translated to "we talk about anything we want and when we sell it you'll know we're producing" so now even Nintendo statements sound like speculation...

But really, what "HD Wii" really means? More horsepower under the Hood? Output aimed exclusively to HDMI? 3D ready console?

Considering how Nintendo manage their business in the last years i just don't see they coming out with something as powerfull as the 360 or PS3 now.

The 360 came out a year ahead of the PS3 and it gave Microsoft a boost thanks to that. I just can't connect Nintendo announcing a new console at this GDC with the same effect... honestly, i would expect E3 or even TGS for that, at least!

[Regulus Tera]

Actually, if memory serves, sales of the Wii itself have been dropping pretty dramatically of late. Plus announcing it now would just mean it's coming out in two or three years, not this year, unless it is just an upgraded version instead of a whole new console. If it is an upgrade, those very games you mentioned would still be selling for that console, as well as the existing Wii.

Except for the fact that during December Wii had the biggest sales for any video game platform ever in the U.S., you're right (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=384933).

It's not gonna be a Wii successor. No chance in hell of that. It may be another DS iteration (probably the US unveiling of DSi XL), although I doubt it's DS2.

[Kim]

Honestly, if they do announce a new console, I'm hoping for something like a Gamecube controller with a sensor motion sensor port where the cord would normally be with a built in equivalent to Motion+, an improved sensor bar, and current gen HD graphics. I'd have a normal controller when I needed it, motion control when I needed that, and it would look nice. Do this and I think we could have a pretty great console on our hands.

[Mirai Gen]

Honestly I'm okay with console war threads. They're kind of inevitable and it's quite easy to sense the Force, know what's going on, and tip the fuck out the door.
Seeya Nightshine. You know why.
Hug.

[tshadowdrag]

To save trouble on the new system Nintendo is going to unveil that is causing hype is most probably the portable one they were investing in to surpass the Dsi due to it's restraints compared to the Sony PSP as far as specs go.

They were tossing that about in gaming magazines and the like before so I would give that one would be what is coming out.

The Wii still has much potential and is staying there for about another year or two. With all the games coming out for it, including zelda by 2011, I doubt a transition is going to take place right now.

[Mirai Gen]

Oh right we had a thread here didn't we? I guess I'll put away my champagne and party blowers.

I'm with Shadow on this one - there's no way they're releasing a whole new console. I'm willing to bet that they're getting penis envy about everyone else's high-powered consoles so either this is the rumored DS2 or maybe a Wii with an actual hard drive.

I'm thinking the latter as it'd be the ultimate punch to the dick to everyone who tried for four fucking years to get one due to low supply; right up Nintendo's alley!

[tshadowdrag]

Actually the rumor mill has been that nintendo is finally making the Game Boy successor as the DS platform was going to coexist with it a separate entity as it has been already.

I got a Wii at launch and what the real question should be presented is IF nintendo decided to release a next gen console what would it have? It can't use HD and DVD holds far less memory than it.

Nintendo can't use Blu-ray because guess what? Sony owns that one, so welcome back to 1996? If they release anything new on those terms it'd have a HDD and digital downloading which both the big N and Microsoft would do next generation.

[Mike McC]

Nintendo can't use Blu-ray because guess what? Sony owns that one, so welcome back to 1996? If they release anything new on those terms it'd have a HDD and digital downloading which both the big N and Microsoft would do next generation.Or use something like HDDVD. Just because it failed to be a movie disc format does not mean it won't have uses.

[Regulus Tera]

Actually the rumor mill has been that nintendo is finally making the Game Boy successor as the DS platform was going to coexist with it a separate entity as it has been already.

The whole "3rd pillar" talk was obviously a PR talking point/'just in case" fallback from the get go, and any hope if it being otherwise should have flown out the window the second the DS started selling, as proven by Nintendo killing the GBA unmercifully. Seeing that the DS has already surpassed the original Game Boy's sales (http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/62160)*, I fathom hey have no reason to revive the Game Boy.

The Game Boy is gone (like the Walkman).

*Fun fact: The Wii has already beaten the NES too.

[Krylo]

Why would they even consider 'reviving' the gameboy while the DS exists, anyway? Anything a GBA reiteration could do, the DS/DSi/DSfuckyou or whatever they're on now could do just as well. All they'd have to do is not use the bottom screen, or use it for some important game information they don't want clogging the main screen.

Basically like that Mario game on the DS.

It wouldn't make sense to have two handhelds, they'd compete with each other, regardless of whether one lacks a stylus.

[tshadowdrag]

Why would they even consider 'reviving' the gameboy while the DS exists, anyway? Anything a GBA reiteration could do, the DS/DSi/DSfuckyou or whatever they're on now could do just as well. All they'd have to do is not use the bottom screen, or use it for some important game information they don't want clogging the main screen.

Basically like that Mario game on the DS.

It wouldn't make sense to have two handhelds, they'd compete with each other, regardless of whether one lacks a stylus.

Because they're nintendo.

On a note from the other response before, exactly who pioneered HDDVD, was it microsoft? I know they use it but who owns it?

[Mike McC]

Because they're nintendo.This argument uses no logic, or even sense. Especially since Nintendo has never done that sort of inter-brand competing before.

[Bells]

On a note from the other response before, exactly who pioneered HDDVD, was it microsoft? I know they use it but who owns it?

It was the same deal that was with the Bluray. a Bunch of Big names are together to "own" it, but Microsoft was spearheading it and Toshiba was leading with it.

[Mike McC]

It was the same deal that was with the Bluray. a Bunch of Big names are together to "own" it, but Microsoft was spearheading it and Toshiba was leading with it.Plus, even if it was 'owned' by Microsoft, there has been inter-company agreements on technology before, like Microsoft settling with Nintendo on the controller vibration technology.

[Loyal]

All they'd have to do is not use the bottom screen, or use it for some important game information they don't want clogging the main screen.Which is what a lot of developers do anyway, so yeah.