Happy Fun Adventure Time! - an Illustrated Adventure

[Aerozord]

so we dont have to worry about fluid, why not devolve secretion and evolve like, claws or something else we can use for climbing

[Wigmund]

I thought Squishy was big enough to just look over the wall's edges and then Squishy met Mr. Robot who greeted it with his fist.

[Krylo]

so we dont have to worry about fluid, why not devolve secretion and evolve like, claws or something else we can use for climbing

'Cause claws are only good for climbing soft materials. Like wood.

There's no wood where we are.

Only stone.

I'm pretty sure claws sharp and hard enough to dig into stone well enough to allow us to climb would require a series of evolutions to be applicable, kinda like our laser eyes are just now, hopefully, getting to be worthwhile.

[Aldurin]

'Cause claws are only good for climbing soft materials. Like wood.

There's no wood where we are.

Only stone.

I'm pretty sure claws sharp and hard enough to dig into stone well enough to allow us to climb would require a series of evolutions to be applicable, kinda like our laser eyes are just now, hopefully, getting to be worthwhile.

Evolve claws like Knuckles has. Those things can climb up any surface with even the crappiest climbing technique.

[Aerozord]

'Cause claws are only good for climbing soft materials. Like wood.

There's no wood where we are.

Only stone.

I'm pretty sure claws sharp and hard enough to dig into stone well enough to allow us to climb would require a series of evolutions to be applicable, kinda like our laser eyes are just now, hopefully, getting to be worthwhile.

Depends on the rock, claws can fit into the small cracks and edges assuming the stone face isn't smooth. Plus there are alternatives, like those tiny hairs insects use

[Fenris]

Or secretions! :knowledge:

[Aerozord]

yes I am fully aware secretion can accomplish this, like what a slug does. But I suggest an alternative since our fluids are limited and we depleted every known source of it already

[Arhra]

Hmm, designing things is so very time consuming.

And I can safely say that nothing said so far has changed events in the slightest.

GOOD NIGHT EVERYONE.

[akaSM]

I don't think the nose has done anything for us, we should de-evolve it. If we need any other evolutionary slots we should take away our whiskers (makes us cuter, hasn't done anything else so far) and acid secretion (so far, I see no use for it) or even everything that relates to secretions, since there are no other ways to get more FLUIDS that we know of. Anyway, right now, de-evolve the nose, whiskers and acid secretion, lets keep the others just in case.

Next, we should eat what was left of the DWELLER. And see if the giant ROBOT is friendly or not, you know, it didn't attack us last time. We should go out where we saw it last time, if it isn't paying attention to us and is looking away, we should make some CUTE SOUNDS to attract it's attention without getting to exposed to another attack. If it does something that looks harmful to us, we should run and hide. otherwise, continue to make sounds and try to COMMUNICATE with it

Next, it's time to explore whatever we missed, if there aren't any rooms left in the upper part of the cave, it's time to go and see the HOLE the DWELLER came out of.

Finally, is there any way to increase the evolutionary slots? I'm thinking they're connected to our brain size. maybe they can be evolved. or are something that can be found.

Now that I think about it, try to evolve extra evolutionary slots, if that doesn't work, try to evolve a BRAIN that can have extra evolutionary slots.

[Krylo]

since there are no other ways to get more FLUIDS that we know of.
Other than this:
Next, we should eat what was left of the DWELLER

Also: Drinking anything.

Which we'll probably need to start doing eventually, anyway.

ALSO GUYS SERIOUSLY DEVOLVING THINGS NOT THE THING TO DO.

We have reached a plateau here. We can devolve maybe what, five things that we aren't using?

What can we do with five slots? Apparently we're working on a system of irreducible complexity here. We need to come up with some way to gain more evolutionary slots or we'll never be anything more than a vaguely animal shaped pink blob swapping things in and out.

Take, say, a gerbil, for instance. We could drop secretion control, acid secretion, sticky secretion, laser eyes, and giant mitochondria. That's five things.

Then to become a gerbil we'd have to evolve a central nervous system, a skeleton (and remember, growing a SPINE took an evolutionary slot, so we're looking at, at least, a few more evolutions to get this--like legs), a musculature system, internal organs (multiple evolutions), fur, teeth, claws, etc. etc.

Even assuming we can just say "Skeletons, fur, muscles, internal organs, teeth, and claws," that still uses more evolutions than we've removed, and we've only succeeded in becoming a small rodent.

There has to be a way to increase or evolutionary limit, and we aren't going to figure it out by just deleting evolutions constantly.

[DarkDrgon]

before we do anything, we have to devolve something. Theres nothing squishy can do until then

[Aerozord]

actually, while I understand desire to change, I dont think thats what we should worry about. There is a hole in the wall, a, at the very least injured, dweller who apparently left his dwelling, I think we should saddle up, explore and see if there are any changes.

I propose "return to pit" and just be ready for a tactful retreat. I doubt its hungry for a fight in any case.

[DarkDrgon]

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You've forgotten something important.

You are at your EVOLUTIONARY LIMIT!

This is our prime concern. we can do nothing until this is fixed.

[Krylo]

This is our prime concern. we can do nothing until this is fixed.

Correction: We can't move or eat until it is fixed.

There is no precedent set that says we can't think or evolve further, nor that moving or eating is necessary to increase our evolutionary limit.

[Aldurin]

Correction: We can't move or eat until it is fixed.

There is no precedent set that says we can't think or evolve further, nor that moving or eating is necessary to increase our evolutionary limit.

And no precedent that we will or won't die if we try evolving further. I for one would like to make a perfect run (no dying).

[BitVyper]

And no precedent that we will or won't die if we try evolving further.

What about the precedent where trying to evolve further than we're able to turns us into an amorphous blob? Death wasn't on the table until you randomly brought it up. there's been no indication that trying to figure out a way to increase our evolutionary limit will kill us.

Personally, I think it may be like level grinding, where we get more slots as we do more stuff, but there's nothing wrong with what Krylo's saying. Necessity is the mother of invention, after all. You don't push boundaries by running away from them... unless you're a master of Saotome style martial arts. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_VZqZXImpQ)

Might also have to do with eating something different or special. I'd be inclined to get rid of one single thing, finish off the Dweller, and see what happens, but I'm on board with trying to deal with the limit problem too.

[Vauron]

Might also have to do with eating something different or special. I'd be inclined to get rid of one single thing, finish off the Dweller, and see what happens, but I'm on board with trying to deal with the limit problem too.

Essentially, that is what I put forward a few weeks ago. First get rid of something that hasn't been very useful, such as the secretions. Then, see if the Robot is doing anything besides stand there after crushing one of the Dweller's tentacles. After that, look down the hole to the Dweller's area, possibly with the intention of going back down to gank it.

Fake Edit: Make sure to wait for condensation to finish before going Dweller hunting.

[Aldurin]

To make things simple for you guys so that we keep the essentials and unessentials.

Devolve LASER EYES and MITOCHONDUITS. Evolve ROCKET LAUNCHER.

It does the same thing and will work until we gain enough slots to get it back.

[Krylo]

To make things simple for you guys so that we keep the essentials and unessentials.

Devolve LASER EYES and MITOCHONDUITS. Evolve ROCKET LAUNCHER.

It does the same thing and will work until we gain enough slots to get it back.

Except evolving a rocket launcher would require the huge ass mitochondria because... well here, let's start with what a rocket launcher is:

A rocket launcher is a steel tube with a simple, but incomplete, electrical circuit near the back. The circuit is broken in two places. One is at the back of the barrel, one is at the trigger mechanism.

When a rocket is slid into it, the rocket lines up with the circuit at the back of the barrel. When one pulls the trigger, then, it sends an electrical current through the rocket propelled grenade, igniting the rocket, and propelling it from the tube.

Meanwhile, the rocket itself is filled with an explosive substance that is detonated by a variety of means depending upon the warhead. We're going to go ahead and assume it's one that explodes on impact.

So, what we would need to do to have a rocket launcher:

First, retain mitochondria, as we will need it to create the electrical impulses necessary to ignite the rocket.

Second, evolve some method of creating steel. Note: Just evolving a steel tube isn't good enough, because the actual warhead also contains steel and we will need a method of creating more of them. This would probably be a secretion. Secrete: Hardening Steel Alloy.

Third, evolve some method of creating copper, for the wiring both within the rocket tube and the warheads. Secrete: Hardening Copper Alloy.

Fourth, evolve a method of creating highly volatile explosives. Secrete: Highly Volatile Explosive Compounds.

Fifth, Evolve some kind of heat and explosion resistance to protect us from the back blast from the rear end of our squishy mounted rocket launcher.

Now, evolving a biological rocket launcher is probably not impossible, and we could probably rig something similar with only a few extra secretions and some method of throwing them, BUT it's going to involve more evolutions than the laser eyes we already have and will require us to retain the secretions everyone but me wants to get rid of.

Also, if I know Ahrha, he'd require us to have some kind of extra evolutions (mixing a variety of simpler excretions to create the desired explosive effect, maybe) to create some kind of decent explosive, as opposed to just spitting snappers (http://www.epartyunlimited.com/snappers.html) at opponents.

[Aerozord]

seems brain size might work like intel stat in a good old table top RPG, by that I mean just because we dont know doesn't mean our blob doesn't. I say devolve everything we dont immediately need and put all of that into increasing our mental capacity and then once we are able to understand ourselves contemplate method to surpass evolutionary limit.

Plus if we are lucky bigger brain means potential psychic powers

[Aldurin]

Except evolving a rocket launcher would require the huge ass mitochondria because... well here, let's start with what a rocket launcher is:

A rocket launcher is a steel tube with a simple, but incomplete, electrical circuit near the back. The circuit is broken in two places. One is at the back of the barrel, one is at the trigger mechanism.

When a rocket is slid into it, the rocket lines up with the circuit at the back of the barrel. When one pulls the trigger, then, it sends an electrical current through the rocket propelled grenade, igniting the rocket, and propelling it from the tube.

Meanwhile, the rocket itself is filled with an explosive substance that is detonated by a variety of means depending upon the warhead. We're going to go ahead and assume it's one that explodes on impact.

So, what we would need to do to have a rocket launcher:

First, retain mitochondria, as we will need it to create the electrical impulses necessary to ignite the rocket.

Second, evolve some method of creating steel. Note: Just evolving a steel tube isn't good enough, because the actual warhead also contains steel and we will need a method of creating more of them. This would probably be a secretion. Secrete: Hardening Steel Alloy.

Third, evolve some method of creating copper, for the wiring both within the rocket tube and the warheads. Secrete: Hardening Copper Alloy.

Fourth, evolve a method of creating highly volatile explosives. Secrete: Highly Volatile Explosive Compounds.

Fifth, Evolve some kind of heat and explosion resistance to protect us from the back blast from the rear end of our squishy mounted rocket launcher.

Now, evolving a biological rocket launcher is probably not impossible, and we could probably rig something similar with only a few extra secretions and some method of throwing them, BUT it's going to involve more evolutions than the laser eyes we already have and will require us to retain the secretions everyone but me wants to get rid of.

Also, if I know Ahrha, he'd require us to have some kind of extra evolutions (mixing a variety of simpler excretions to create the desired explosive effect, maybe) to create some kind of decent explosive, as opposed to just spitting snappers (http://www.epartyunlimited.com/snappers.html) at opponents.

Now I want to evolve a rocket launcher even more.

[Geminex]

Or how about a flamethrower? That'd be even easier.

[Aldurin]

Or how about a flamethrower? That'd be even easier.

Rocket launcher with flamethrower built in as secondary fire.

[Vauron]

Rocket launcher with flamethrower built in as secondary fire.

I don't remember, has the pink one facepalmed before?

[Fenris]

Rocket launcher with flamethrower built in as secondary fire.

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UNEVOLVE Acid Secretion.

DIGEST REMAINS OF DWELLER that are present.

[Geminex]

Fenris' post is seconded.

...

Though we could always set the rocket launcher on fire...

[Yumil]

What we really need to do is turn ourselves into some sort of explosive. Perhaps a world shattering one or perhaps one more like Splosion Man.

So, yeah, get rid of acid secretion, I third that.

[RickZarber]

1) Can we consume the remains of our chitinous shell? Do we need acid secretion to do so? If so, I'd say we should do that before ridding ourselves of acid secretion. EDIT: Upon further thought, that would gain us mass but lose us precious bodily fluids, which we can't afford.

2) What are our whiskers doing for us, exactly? (Besides adorableness.) Regardless of finding a new paradigm of existence, I would ditch those, at least for the time being.

3) Before we go down the pit again, OTHER NORTH in the SOUTH still remains unexplored. This has been bugging me for a while now, and I think it's worth a quick peek. Who knows, there could be fluids!

[Viridis]

2) What are our whiskers doing for us, exactly? (Besides adorableness.) Regardless of finding a new paradigm of existence, I would ditch those, at least for the time being.

I think we use them like a a cat does, to measure the size of a hole before entering so we don't get stuck.

[Aldurin]

I think we use them like a a cat does, to measure the size of a hole before entering so we don't get stuck.

Eyes do the exact same thing.

[DarkDrgon]

I think we use them like a a cat does, to measure the size of a hole before entering so we don't get stuck.

except we didn't. See the above fight with the dweller

[Viridis]

I know. I'm just saying what they were supposed to be for. Besides being adorable.

[Funka Genocide]

If there is a method of obtaining more evolutionary "slots" then we should probably pursue that avenue of thought. However, I would like to see that robot crushed beneath our squishy boot heels. We've not time for alliances of convenience, we are not interested in the wimsical benevolence of fate! We must make our own fate!

And that fate is to use our supped up laser eyes to dismantle the gentleman robot.

(After we get rid of the cat whiskers and devour the remnants of the eldritch horror.)

[Flarecobra]

Keep the whiskers, lose the secreations.

[Aldurin]

We should devolve whiskers and evolve CHAOS GLAND. It's a special organ exclusive to species of malleable DNA and will cause random unexpected changes at random moments. If we keep that on long enough then we can become that galaxy-eater that we originally vowed to be by method of random mutations eventually granting INVINCIBILITY, UNLIMITED FLUIDS and EAT ANYTHING.

[Fenris]

We should devolve whiskers and evolve CHAOS GLAND. It's a special organ exclusive to species of malleable DNA and will cause random unexpected changes at random moments. If we keep that on long enough then we can become that galaxy-eater that we originally vowed to be by method of random mutations eventually granting INVINCIBILITY, UNLIMITED FLUIDS and EAT ANYTHING.

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[Sky Warrior Bob]

Keep the whiskers, lose the secreations.

Well, maybe there's a way we could lose the whiskers at an evolutionary spot, but still retain them. We could use secretion control to make the whiskers, but have them be there only for visual purposes, like hair. Either that, or we could stick them back on our face after they fall off.

I mean the glass shards are still acting as a crown, and they aren't part of our evolutionary process. I'm sure we could stick on the old whiskers in the same way.

SWB

[Aerozord]

lets just evolve some kind of shape shifting, then all our aestetic evolutions become just a single slot

[Sky Warrior Bob]

lets just evolve some kind of shape shifting, then all our aestetic evolutions become just a single slot

Or that, that works too.

[Fenris]

Or that, that works too.

I highly doubt it.

Also, don't we have some basic shapeshifting, as evidenced by our ability to assume a stealthy form?

I'm also going to go through and update the first post of this thing with links to all of the story posts for easy reference.

e: Done.

[Aerozord]

well if we have it already then my point stands, we can just morph our body into those shapes and get rid of the related evolutions

[Fenris]

I think you and I are operating under vastly different definitions of the word "basic."

[Aerozord]

then evolve greater shape shifting. I think we did something like stronger membrane for fingers. I'll go check your kindly crafted backlog

edit: ah yes it was this one http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1018164&postcount=115

[Aldurin]

Just devolve everything unnecessary, evolve something extremely violent and evolve bigger brain to figure out a way to evolve more violent things.

[Yumil]

CURRENT EVOLUTIONS

EVOLVED ABILITIES
- All Five Senses (free with EYES, EARS and NOSE)
- Bioluminesence
- Cannibalise
- Improved Echolocation (needs SPATIAL LOBE)
- Hypermass Generator
- Improved Noisemaking (free with MOUTH)
- Secretion Control
- Improved Laser Eyes (needs EYES, JUMBO MITOCHONDRION, MITOCHONDUITS)

EVOLVED BODY PARTS
- Spine
- Pea Sized Brain
-+ Spatial Lobe (needs any BRAIN)
- Jumbo Mitochondrion
-+ Mitochonduits (needs any MITOCHONDRIA)

SHAPE EVOLUTIONS
- Advanced Eyes
- Arms/Hands
- Cat Ears
- Low Profile Nose
- Mouth
- Strengthened Membrane.
- Whiskers

KNOWN SECRETIONS
- Sticky film.
- Acid.

Need to make sure everyone is on par. What we really need to do is decide on a path and take. It seems like we all want to increase our evolutionary limit, so let's work towards that. I think we should devolve anything that is not necessary and evolve our brain as far as we can. We'll treat it like an intelligence score and hope that Ahra thinks it the same way. Once we figure out how to increase the evolutionary limit, we can become cute again.

First the stuff we pretty much concluded we don't need need to be devolved. That means, Whiskers, sticky film, and acid secretion. Since we don't have any secretions, secretion control is also something we can get rid of. That's four slots gone.

Now that we have bio-luminescence , we don't need ecolocation. We also can eat without a mouth as thats how we started so, devolve Spacial Lobe, Ecolocation, mouth(and it's free noise making). That's another three down.

I don't really think we need cannibalize. There's barely any benefit to it and it takes up a evolutionary slot. Removing that will bring us to 8 evolutions removed.

There's one more questionable one that I'd like to talk about. In particular, I think that the hypermass generator is just that a generator and that after it's done it's job, we will keep the hypermass. If that is so, it's not needed anymore, which would bring us up to 9 evolutions gone, or 8 till our limit.

Use all slots to evolve brain. Increase it's size, add frontal lobe, add hemispheres, etc.. Then think of a way to evolve further. If you guys disagree say so, but it's imperative for us to increase the limit if we are going to become a squishy god!

Btw, here's how the evolutions would look like after my proposal:
EVOLVED ABILITIES
- All Five Senses (free with EYES, EARS and NOSE)
- Bioluminesence
- Improved Laser Eyes (needs EYES, JUMBO MITOCHONDRION, MITOCHONDUITS)

EVOLVED BODY PARTS
- Spine
- Pea Sized Brain
- Jumbo Mitochondrion
-+ Mitochonduits (needs any MITOCHONDRIA)

SHAPE EVOLUTIONS
- Advanced Eyes
- Arms/Hands
- Cat Ears
- Low Profile Nose
- Strengthened Membrane.
I figure these will be fine for whatever we need. We could possibly go further, but I see our main line of defense as our laser eyes, bio-luminescence and arms(along with senses).

[Fenris]

Need to make sure everyone is on par. What we really need to do is decide on a path and take. It seems like we all want to increase our evolutionary limit, so let's work towards that. I think we should devolve anything that is not necessary and evolve our brain as far as we can. We'll treat it like an intelligence score and hope that Ahra thinks it the same way. Once we figure out how to increase the evolutionary limit, we can become cute again.Agreed.

First the stuff we pretty much concluded we don't need need to be devolved. That means, Whiskers, sticky film, and acid secretion. Since we don't have any secretions, secretion control is also something we can get rid of. That's four slots gone.
This I agree with.

Now that we have bio-luminescence , we don't need ecolocation. We also can eat without a mouth as thats how we started so, devolve Spacial Lobe, Ecolocation, mouth(and it's free noise making). That's another three down. Bio-luminescence isn't for seeing, it's for hurting the dweller. We have Advanced Echolocation, which uses ambient sounds to see our surroundings. I'd rather get rid of eyes than bio-luminescence. Seeing in 360 degrees is much more useful.

I don't really think we need cannibalize. There's barely any benefit to it and it takes up a evolutionary slot. Removing that will bring us to 8 evolutions removed. It's how we get energy from our shed evolutions. This should stay.

There's one more questionable one that I'd like to talk about. In particular, I think that the hypermass generator is just that a generator and that after it's done it's job, we will keep the hypermass. If that is so, it's not needed anymore, which would bring us up to 9 evolutions gone, or 8 till our limit.
This makes us shrink in size-we might want this considering how we're outgrowing this cave.

Use all slots to evolve brain. Increase it's size, add frontal lobe, add hemispheres, etc.. Then think of a way to evolve further. If you guys disagree say so, but it's imperative for us to increase the limit if we are going to become a squishy god!
This.

[Yumil]

It's how we get energy from our shed evolutions. This should stay.
Considering we can use mass instead of energy to do so, we're fine. Besides as you said, we have enough mass as it is.

[Fenris]

Considering we can use mass instead of energy to do so, we're fine. Besides as you said, we have enough mass as it is.

Let's shed it last. Shed everything else, cannibalize what comes off, and then shed cannibalize.

[Yumil]

Let's shed it last. Shed everything else, cannibalize what comes off, and then shed cannibalize.

I'm fine with that.

[Aerozord]

evolve brain, worked for humans after all

[Aldurin]

I'm fine as long as this takes us on the path of eventually obliterating the giant robot.

[Overcast]

Whyso? It squished us once and now we've taken it personally. But a brain sounds nice, and as much as I hate to see the personality of all those little items added on intuitively I guess it is worthwhile to get ahead. Enough time to get them again later.

[Krylo]

Fenris misspoke.

Cannabalize is how we get MASS from devolutions.

We can, using the giant mitochondria, then turn mass into energy.

However, shedding cannabalize isn't a good idea as long as we're devolving things. Ever.

[Aerozord]

also, I'd like something to increase the speed we condence mass. Remember how much trouble we got into because it took so long to change size?

[Yumil]

Fenris misspoke.

Cannabalize is how we get MASS from devolutions.

We can, using the giant mitochondria, then turn mass into energy.

However, shedding cannabalize isn't a good idea as long as we're devolving things. Ever.

Problem is, we're getting too big for our location any way. Perhaps later when we aren't so big compared to our surrounding it will become better, but as it is right now, we don't really need to conserve mass. I don't deem it as useful at the moment, well it should devolved last and should the need arrive, we'll reevolve it next time we do a major devolve.

We know what it does, so when the time comes we can put it in the devolve chain. It'll cost us some mass, but better to use it as a dynamic thing than a passive.

[Krylo]

I think constantly evolving and devolving everything as it is needed is a blatant abuse of the system and I would not allow it were I running this game.

Just tossing that out there.

ALSO: Mass is necessary for energy from the mitochondria for our weaponry, and is necessary for evolution, AND our size is keeping us trapped in a small mostly explored environ.

Plus, if we manage to increase our evolutionary slots, there's no need to get rid of that many things.

[BitVyper]

I'd really prefer to just ditch a secretion and then go kill and eat the Dweller to see if anything happens first. Just eating a slightly better mushroom had a big effect on us. Eating the dweller in its entirety could very well be exactly what we need, and it seems likely that with our enhanced laser eyes, we can accomplish it. The dweller can't currently threaten us with more than a bonk or two on the head, so we should be able to deal with it safely.

We very clearly are what we eat, and the dweller is the most complex piece of food we can get right now.

[Yumil]

I think constantly evolving and devolving everything as it is needed is a blatant abuse of the system and I would not allow it were I running this game.

Just tossing that out there.

ALSO: Mass is necessary for energy from the mitochondria for our weaponry, and is necessary for evolution, AND our size is keeping us trapped in a small mostly explored environ.

Plus, if we manage to increase our evolutionary slots, there's no need to get rid of that many things.

The more slots, the more complex of a brain we can make. Then again, it may not work that way. Playing games without the rules fully known is fun isn't it?

Edit: Keep canabalism then, It's probably best we don't even try to abuse the evolution system so that we dont meet with some unexpected death.

[Aerozord]

as I said before, lets go to the Dweller's pit

[DarkDrgon]

I agree that right now we should just devolve what we have to to eat the dweller.

[Fenris]

as I said before, lets go to the Dweller's pit

No. Let's not. Let's focus on getting ourself stabilized (and possibly improved) before we go get ourselves in a battle. We don't know if the Dweller is completely dead (or if it had friends) and we're safe now, so I'd like to remain safe until we figure out how to get more evolutionary slots.

[Flarecobra]

Seconded. We need to settle in and figure out a plan.

[Aerozord]

did I say fight the dweller? no I said go to the pit, I want to know if its even still in there because clearly it left and there is no garentee it went back.

[Fenris]

did I say fight the dweller? no I said go to the pit, I want to know if its even still in there because clearly it left and there is no garentee it went back.

It can wait, mostly 'cause if we go there and its waiting for us we'll be in for another battle. We don't know if it has regenerative properties or any of that stuff so the best thing we can do right now is hang tight and figure out the evolutionary limits now rather than later.

[Tev]

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0170.pngFen, I think you found a new mod macro....

Anyway, I'm for the plan of shedding some stuff, getting a better brain, and exploring the two unexplored regions of our little home.

[Arhra]

This took waaaaaaaaaaay too long to do.


>Unevolve ACID SECRECTION, STICKY FILM, SECRETION CONTROL

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You rejoin the world of forms.


>Evolve bigger BRAIN.

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You evolve a BRAIN STEM.

You feel more IMAGINATIVE.
You can handle more complex CONCEPTS.
Your COORDINATION has improved.


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Suddenly it all becomes so much clearer.


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You can now IMAGINE your BRACHIATED SYMPTOMINODE.


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And your equally important GENERATIVE RHIZOMALGAM.

You have replaced your WHISKERS and HANDS evolutions with PROTEAN.


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You assign WHISKERS and HANDS to your ANATOMICAL TESSELLATRIX.

You can recall up to two more ANATOMEMORIES.


>DIGEST REMAINS OF DWELLER that are present.

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OM NOM NOM.


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You feel HAPPY.

Your MASS has increased.

You have regained some precious FLUIDS.


>Look down hole.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0211.png

HMMMMMMM.


>Look at Guardian

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0212.png

You head to the WEST.


http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0213.png

You carefully look over the edge.


http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0214.png

You've taken your first step into a larger world.

[Geminex]

Woot! Update!

Niiiice. Looks like the brain was totally worth it. Now to decipher the evolutionary tech-trees.

I think the BRACHIATED SYMPTOMINODE shows which evolutions are prereqs for which other evolutions. Like, can't get improved laser eyes without advanced eyes.

The second one (GENERATIVE RHIZOMALGAM) seems to be less evolutionary prerequisites, and more utilitarian prereqs. We can evolve laser eyes without needing mitoconduits, but we really can't use them effectively, or at all.

Does that make sense?

[Tev]

More Red Fluids! Consume them! Also, head EAST. The fluid puddles seem to get bigger in that direction.

[Satan's Onion]

What's that thing, looks like a big ol' test tube thingy? Go examine that.

[Tev]

What's that thing, looks like a big ol' test tube thingy? Go examine that.Do not....I repeat DO NOT try to put it on your head.

[Aldurin]

I say examine GIANT CONDOM. Then absorb RED FLUID and follow TRAIL of RED FLUID. Recover YELLOW THING from HOLE first. There might be a way to recharge it and harness it's zap (super lazer without using mitowhatchumacallit?)

[Aerozord]

I agree with the above, also looks like we can make two more anatomical alterations. If I read that right.

[Fenris]

Anatomemories = Anatomical Memories?

Assign CAT EARS to ANATOMEMORIES

Perhaps assign BRAIN STEM or STRENGTHENED MEMBRANE as well.

[Aldurin]

Well, now we know that our evolutionary slot thing isn't as simple as we thought. But more complexity means more potential exploits.

[Tev]

Also that a bigger brain mean more options.

[Fenris]

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0205.png

I think this might be representative of how close we are to our limits on various things? I'm not sure but it looks important.

We should try to figure out what the orange and green nodes represent. edit: on http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0206.png and the other. (Man Arhra this is like playing a video game by committee with no knowledge of what the menus do.)

[Donomni]

INHALEIFY the RED FLUIDS.

INVESTIGATE the GLASS TUBE for SHOCKING ORIGINS.

[Yumil]

I'm more interested in the Orange, Green, and Black circles on the evolution diagrams. I'm sure they represent evolutions we haven't taken yet but are related to the ones on the diagram near them.

As such, there are three near the Jumbo Mitochondrion, my guess it's related to power generating organs. There are three organs used by the Electric eel, though I only know two of their names, the Sachs Organ(low voltage) and the Hunter's Organ(high voltage).

So how about we try evolving the Sachs organ and see if the diagram changes?

[Tev]

Let's not talk of evolving anything until we explore our surroundings more.

[Yumil]

Let's not talk of evolving anything until we explore our surroundings more.

Well my evolution has two things going for it:
#1. It might give us a better understanding on our Evolutions, which is why we did our brain like that.
#2. It'll increase our combat capability as it'll boost the laser eyes some more.

I dont have a problem checking out the condom, but following the dweller when we did very little to him before without changing something is stupid, just in case he's still alive. If he's grievously injured, he might fight all that more ferociously.

We're playing a game who's rules we don't fully know. It's best to test and figure out the rules asap so we know how to play the game.

[Fenris]

We should try to figure out what the orange and green nodes represent. edit: on http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0206.png and the other. (Man Arhra this is like playing a video game by committee with no knowledge of what the menus do.)
Basically Yumil's reiterating this point.

And I agree with him entirely- I'd rather figure out how we work and how the world works now while we're relatively safe instead of running off into unknown dangers we may or may not be prepared for.

[Overcast]

Lets see there are three black circles of note, on the BRACHIATED SYMPTOMINODE they seem to be tied to the eyes, ears, and mouth. On the GENERATIVE RHIZOMALGAM we have two of them that seem to be corresponding on the eyes and ears still, but the mouth one is mysteriously missing, but then both mouthy evolutions seem to be capable of operating without each other. This seems to give in to the idea that these allow whole new generative branches to follow and novel improvements on earlier evolutions through earlier brachial nodes a bit like laser eyes to eyes and echolocation to cat ears.

I orange and green are creeping on me in a big way, part of me believes that orange ones are keys to improving already existing evolutions mostly due to their placement on the rhizoglam and yet their evolutionary necessity of having laser eyes first in the symptominode, their isolation in certain paths of the symptominode helps this out but it keeps me confused on one thing. The green ones. Damn me if I can think of exactly what those are. I'm thinking they could be conventional improvements on the earlier evolutions, but I am having a difficult time separating them from the blacks since it seems such a matter of opinion calling one novel and one not.

Course all of this is speculation and I am already seeing plenty of holes in my ideas, but I have enough minor lapses of insight that I can help someone else get it right.

[Aerozord]

I'd rather we sit back and digust the current information we have, while exploring some more. While it might be better for us to evolve a bigger brain and know more about how we change, I'd rather figure it out then have the answers handed to me. We got some hints, lets atleast TRY to figure it out for ourselves before we get another info dump

[Yumil]

I'd rather we sit back and digust the current information we have, while exploring some more. While it might be better for us to evolve a bigger brain and know more about how we change, I'd rather figure it out then have the answers handed to me. We got some hints, lets atleast TRY to figure it out for ourselves before we get another info dump

We aren't suggesting a bigger brain, yet.

We suggest experimenting to see if we can unlock the secrets of the clues that we just got. It's best to get a handle on what we can do now before we put ourselves into dangers we can't see yet. The battle with the dweller proved we need better defenses.

[akaSM]

We need to eat all of this:

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0212.png

[Arhra]

Man Arhra this is like playing a video game by committee with no knowledge of what the menus do.

Ahahahaha!

[Aldurin]

I was thinking, maybe we don't really die (whether from fluid loss or enough pounding) but we just revert to an inert, miniscule object until we come into contact with more fluids.

Not that I want to test this, mind you.

[Viridis]

Man Arhra this is like playing a video game by committee with no knowledge of what the menus do.Press ALL the buttons!

[Aerozord]

up up down down left right left right B A start

[Fenris]

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0027.png

[Krylo]

On better defenses: We did just evolve the jumbo mitochondria and mitochonduits to add extra power to our laser eyes.

Thus I reiterate an old suggestion;

TEST LASER EYES on DWELLER REMAINS.

On the evolutionary tree:

The BRACHIATED SYMPTOMINODE seems to be organized ala irreducible complexity. You can't have laser eyes without the advanced eyes (or eyes, at least), you can't have improved noise making without the mouth, you can't have mitochonduits without the jumbo mitochondria, etc.

Further, were we to say, evolve a sonic attack, it would appear in the black circle registering out from improved noise making.

ALTERNATIVELY, it could be based on how our new brain organizes evolutions.

Which is to say that the mitochonduits no longer count as their own evolution, nor laser eyes, nor echolocation, etc. Instead they are all considered functions of things which they are part of.

The nodes, then, would represent how many evolutions we can stack onto a body part before we need to expend further evolution slots. For instance, we could devolve laser eyes, but it wouldn't give us an extra full evolutionary slot. Simply a 'visual' or 'eye based' evolutionary slot. Of which we still have one remaining. And five remaining for our laser eyes.

This, however, seems too optimistic, and leaves no accounting for how many more 'base' evolutions we can grow. Unless we are at our current maximum for base evolutions. It also ignores the colors.

Which, I can find no explanation for. None of our current evolutions are clearly color coded. All of them are currently ringed in black or pink, and back grounded in green or pink. However it's a different shade of green from the nodes, and nothing is pink... and surely all our evolutions so far couldn't fit as 'black' evolutions, considering how diverse they are (ways to think, ways to attack, ways to sense, etc.) we should be using at least two different colors.

Unless the colors have nothing to do with purpose but with something else.

Meanwhile the GENERATIVE RHIZOMALGAM is ordered in such a way so that stand alone evolutions are the furthest out on the tree, with the dependent evolutions much closer. For instance, we could have jumbo mitochondria without laser eyes, but the reverse is not true, and the laser eyes utilize the jumbo mitochondria.

If we were to evolve, say, an electrical discharge, we would see the jumbo mitochondria as sitting on the ends of its branch as well.

Meanwhile, Protean seems to be a spot to store changes to the body's shape? But then cat ears should be in it... unless it can't store body shapes that are parts of systems--thus cat ears couldn't go into it, because it powers echolocation.

To test this I suggest we EVOLVE HIND LEGS and then add them to our ANATOMICAL TESSELLATRIX as part of PROTEAN.

I also suggest we attempt to assign CAT EARS to our ANATOMICAL TESSELLATRIX, to test the ability to place things within it that are a part of a greater system of abilities.

SUGGESTED COMMANDS:

EVOLVE HIND LEGS and then add them to our ANATOMICAL TESSELLATRIX as part of PROTEAN.

Assign CAT EARS to our ANATOMICAL TESSELLATRIX.

[Yumil]

SUGGESTED COMMANDS:

EVOLVE HIND LEGS and then add them to our ANATOMICAL TESSELLATRIX as part of PROTEAN.

Assign CAT EARS to our ANATOMICAL TESSELLATRIX.
You know, I'm all for this. So yeah, do this one(after eating the stuff we can and looking at the condom).

[Aldurin]

I wonder what the guardian was doing with that thing? :eek:

[PhoenixFlame]

Clearly, we would need genetics to understand our genome better, which would likely require biology and science.

> Theorize SCIENTIFIC METHOD

This will allow us to research concepts which might give us clues to understanding our LARGER WORLD?

[Specterbane]

So it doesn't look like the place where the dweller originally was has been explored any more either. I think that might be a nice thing to do before forging ahead.

Also can we evolve a further evolutionary limit?

[Sifright]

WE should retreat back inside and fully explore the area before heading out there was a different cave dweller we missed earlier on.

Also we should evolve some method of dumping our mass directly into energy generation for emergencies so we can super charge our laser eyes.

So evolve Mass energy conversion ability.

[Aldurin]

Also we should evolve some method of dumping our mass directly into energy generation for emergencies so we can super charge our laser eyes.

So evolve Mass energy conversion ability.

The jumbo mitochondria already does that.

[Vauron]

If the Clear Tube Thing seems to be made of the same stuff as the Hat of Clear Shards, roll the Clear Tube Thing down the hole to break it and make an even fancier hat.

[Loyal]

Guys, you're forgetting something important:

> If you're HAPPY and you know it, clap your hands!

[Sky Warrior Bob]

Do not....I repeat DO NOT try to put it on your head.

What if we attach it to our arm? Megatron Fusion Cannon style!

No?

SWB

[Aldurin]

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0027.png

We now have a better range of motions to represent this dance so we can actually unluck unlimited evolutions or something.

New Command: UP UP DOWN DOWN LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT A B START utilizing your new LIMBS and POSSIBLE MOTIONS.

[Fenris]

We now have a better range of motions to represent this dance so we can actually unluck unlimited evolutions or something.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0170.png

[Aldurin]

I will not give up!!

EDIT: Command still stands: UP UP DOWN DOWN LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT A B START utilizing your new LIMBS and POSSIBLE MOTIONS.

[Loyal]

EDIT: Command still stands: UP UP DOWN DOWN LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT A B START utilizing your new LIMBS and POSSIBLE MOTIONS.Someone had to do it.

http://i49.tinypic.com/wa3ibq.gif

[akaSM]

Wasn't it UP UP DOWN DOWN LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT B A START? I want Squishy to do that, at least for the cute dancing potential it has :3

[Aldurin]

Wasn't it UP UP DOWN DOWN LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT B A START? I want Squishy to do that, at least for the cute dancing potential it has :3

Let's do both, just in case.

Revised command: Utilizing new MOVEMENT RANGE, perform the following two sequences
1:UP UP DOWN DOWN LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT A B START
2:UP UP DOWN DOWN LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT B A START

[Fenris]

WE HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE

Actually fluffy, both are right in different games.

[Aldurin]

Exactly why we should try both.

[Geminex]

Ahem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0OZXnkfJB0

That will be all.

[Odjn]

I propose we ban EvilEarl from making suggestions that are stupid, which would effectively stop him from saying anything at all, and then we erect a statue of me for posterity.

[POS Industries]

I propose we ban EvilEarl
OH HOT DAYUM NOW YOU'RE SPEAKING MY LANGU--

from making suggestions that are stupid, which would effectively stop him from saying anything at all, and then we erect a statue of me for posterity.
...Meh. I already lost wood.

[Fenris]

You have undergone a STRANGE METAMORPHOSIS in your cocoon-like SHELL.

I think we overlooked this way back when this occured. Possible foreshadowing?!?!

[Krylo]

Pretty sure becoming Opaque was our strange metamorphosis.

[Fenris]

Pretty sure becoming Opaque was our strange metamorphosis.

It was. I'm wondering if our strange metamorphosis is complete or not. Perhaps something to explore at a later time.

[Aerozord]

I think we overlooked this way back when this occured. Possible foreshadowing?!?!

yea possible, but its about as likely as it just being the terminology he choose to use, and have no deeper meaning

[Specterbane]

yea possible, but its about as likely as it just being the terminology he choose to use, and have no deeper meaning

Or it could be just as likely that it was a quick plot device to get him out of drawing every new organ every single time. But who knows, that doesn't mean we can't undergo other metamorphoses

[Tev]

Sadly, I think we managed a Game Over with the downtime. How tragic.

[Arhra]

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0215.png

PERIL

[Flarecobra]

D: SLIMEKITTY!

[akaSM]

OMG...Squishy is back!!! X3

Also, did it lose a couple pounds or something?

[Teal Mage]

That T-Rex Bot is adorable.

I wonder if we can make friends? :D

Also, did it lose a couple pounds or something?

A lot can happen in seven months.

[akaSM]

That T-Rex Bot is adorable.

I wonder if we can make friends? :D



A lot can happen in seven months.

I was wondering if time actually ran over the past months of inactivity, Squishy doesn't seem any more evolved than before, just slimmer (maybe it's just an art change), but that's about it :/.

[Sky Warrior Bob]

Why Is Grimlock chasing us? And are we missing part of our butt?

This is clearly a life flashing before our eyes moment. What's happened to us in our adventures since we got past the robot?

SWB

[akaSM]

Maybe Grimpondlock bit Squishy's butt :O

==>
alternatively, look for a hiding hole

[Sky Warrior Bob]

I know its been a while, but you're doing it wrong.

We say stuff for P'nk Kitteth to do, and he/she/it does it. So far, my demand of memory flashback is the only command.

Never hurts to have more. Also, more people need to post, just to let Ahra know there's still lots & lots of interest in this. Just because.

SWB

[Arhra]

Oh, I'm about half done. Just having trouble making something look right.

[akaSM]

I know its been a while, but you're doing it wrong.

We say stuff for P'nk Kitteth to do, and he/she/it does it. So far, my demand of memory flashback is the only command.

Never hurts to have more. Also, more people need to post, just to let Ahra know there's still lots & lots of interest in this. Just because.

SWB

I'd prefer to find a hiding hole first. I think having the flashback in a hole is better than having it in Grimpond's (I'm calling it that XP) mouth ;)

[Sky Warrior Bob]

Oh, I'm about half done. Just having trouble making something look right.

No problem, but as your drawings take inspiration from what ppl say, I figure it should be more than just me, uh... saying things to do.

Plus, it'd be nice to have a good idea of how many ppl have noticed that this is starting up again. So if anyone is here who hasn't posted, it'd be nice to know.

SWB

[Aerozord]

well I'm here, so glad its not dead

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

I'm here too, but none of my suggestions ever made any differences so I didn't bother making any this time.

Still, glad it's back.

[Thadius]

Arhra: ==> Show the flashback for the pink blob. Just how did it get in this position anyways?!

[phil_]

Plus, it'd be nice to have a good idea of how many ppl have noticed that this is starting up again. So if anyone is here who hasn't posted, it'd be nice to know.

SWBMy subscription has never left the top folder!

But, yeah, let's get more than a panel before I start making suggestions. Plus, whoa, I'm still not touching those evolution charts with a twenty-foot pole.

[Loyal]

I'm withholding my squees till I see the goods.

[Wigmund]

Squishy ==> [S] Make It Pay

[Aldurin]

Squishy ==> [S] Make It Pay

YES

[Arhra]

Decided to put off the hidey hole command for now in case the new information made people want to try something different


>FLASHBACK.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0216.png

You try to think back about HOW THIS HAPPENED.

After pausing to fortify yourself with the Dweller's SEVERED TENTACLES, you prepared to leave the caves.


http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0217.png

You immediately stopped to evolve HIND LEGS.


http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0218.png

The new EVOLUTION was memorised in your ANATOMICAL TESSELATRIX as an ANATOMEMORY!

Your MASS decreased.


==>

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0219.png

You then attempted to memorise CAT EARS.

That was impossible. Be reasonable.


>Get on with it!

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0220.png

Emerging, you were taken back by the sheer enormity of this NONDESCRIPT CORRIDOR.


==>

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0221.png

What WONDERS might await you if you could climb this OAKEN PILLAR to the LANDS ABOVE?


http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0222.png

What UNIMAGINABLE FORCES moved this GREAT SLAB?


http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0223.png

What ORIGIN SECRETS might this GLASS TUBE contain?


==>

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0224.png

Should you have checked for other DENIZENS of this place?


http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0225.png

Yes.

[Pip Boy]

==> There appear to be fluids inside the tail of the robot. Climb in and consume them.

[akaSM]

Get up the pole thingy and hiss at Grimpond.

[Teal Mage]

==> There appear to be fluids inside the tail of the robot. Climb in and consume them.

You fool! That's what it wants. It could be a vaccum!

We must flee! Flee in the direction of that red fluid trail that the evil T-Rex-Bot isn't blocking! That way, we get a delicious meal with our terror. It shall be oh-so-memorable!

Also we won't get eaten!

Edit for Clarification: Run away and don't get eaten! Also eat the delicious red fluid if you have time and won't get eaten.

Edit for Emphasis: But mostly don't get eaten!

[Tev]

I also vote we make for the pole and climb it. Maybe there's a buffet up above.

[Loyal]

*Ahem*

SQUEE.

Jump on its head and, carefully so as not to be thrown off, use the height to ascend the OAKEN PILLAR.

[RickZarber]

If I may make a suggestion/request before we start exploring this Wide New World (and which may also have the effect of temporarily eluding our current predator):

>SCARPER back down the HOLE. Go EAST. Go SOUTH. Briefly explore illuminated OTHER NORTH.

The fact that we left this one section of the caves unexplored has bugged me for months.

[Flarecobra]

Slide under the thing's head, then get up on top of it's neck.

If possable, ride it like a mechanical bull.

[Thadius]

>Climb up that pole! Maybe there's something reasonably heavy you can shove onto this robotic thing!

[akaSM]

We don't know if the dino robot is actually dangerous to us. So far, it just seems hungry. Also, for some reason I think of it as a big dog.

Pick up something and play catch with the robot. Then, look around for things to offer our new robo pet, maybe it'll eat one of those things (and hopefully, that thing won't be Squishy :))

Oh yeah, if that fails, we can always climb the pole and hiss at the robot thing.

[Thadius]

I have the feeling, a small one, that Arhra will make the robot friendly or dangerous depending upon how many people say that it is one or the other. Personally, I think that with that body and jaw structure, it's not going to be our friend. Therefor...

>>>>>>>ABSCOND UP YE POLE, DIMWIT!

[Teal Mage]

>THROW the YELLOW THING at TENTACLES

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0160.png

You still aren't the best thrower of things. Your low VISCOSITY does not help.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0161.png

Your ENEMIES have joined forces!

This was not one of your better ideas.


I think the same muscles used in throwing are used in climbing.

Still, I support any action that does not end in us being eaten!

Edit: Like Loyal and Flare's suggestions, those sound (more) reasonable.

[Krylo]

I think I remember saying that we should keep secretion control and sticky secretions for just such an occasion.

And you guys were all "Nah, that'll never be useful."

And I was all, "But it will!"

And then it got unevolved.

And now we have to climb and have no way to do it.

[Aerozord]

jump into its mouth and EXPAND

remember we aren't really this small, we greatly reduced our size to more easily move around in the cave

[Sky Warrior Bob]

Shoot Grim-Pondie-Lock in the eyes, with our Death Ray Eyes of Laser Pointer power!

(What? Ever get a laser pointer in the eye? Its no fun.)

SWB

[Arhra]

Hmm, I'd been hoping to rush out an update tonight but that didn't work out.

I'm going to be quite busy so don't expect anything until the middle of next week.

[Wigmund]

DAMN YOU!

How dare you taunt us this way :(

[akaSM]

DAMN YOU!

How dare you taunt us this way :(

Did you think Arhra's sig was meaningless? :P

[Pip Boy]

Hmm, I'd been hoping to rush out an update tonight but that didn't work out.

I'm going to be quite busy so don't expect anything until the middle of next week.

I totally dont mind waiting but if this dies again then blood will rain like the tears of dying angels upon a world that will never again know peace.

[Whomper]

Hmm, I'd been hoping to rush out an update tonight but that didn't work out.

I'm going to be quite busy so don't expect anything until the middle of next week month.FTFY

[Arhra]

In hindsight, I should have waited a few more weeks before restarting this.




>There appear to be fluids inside the tail of the robot. Climb in and consume them.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0226.png

Hmm...


http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0227.png

...


http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0228.png

...No.


>Get up the pole thingy and hiss at Grimpond.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0229.png

Oh look, you already ran past it!


http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0230.png

Wait, another one! Go go go!


http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0231.png

Low viscosity!


http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0232.png

Poor grip!


http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0233.png

Proximity to monster!


http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0234.png

THIS WAS A HORRIBLE PLAN!!!


>Ride Grimpond like a mechanical bull.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0235.png

WHY?


http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0236.png

WHHHHHHHY???


>Then use the height to ascend the OAKEN PILLAR

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0237.png

*sliiiip*


http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0238.png

*flaaaaail*


http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0239.png

*SUCCEED*


==>

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0240.png

You have reached the Rickety Tabletop.


There is a CRACKED GLASS VESSEL here. It is leaking AMBER FLUID.

There is a PAIR OF THINGS here.

There is a STRANGE PICTURE here.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Ah so a sense of scale is at last revealed. So without further ado;

Consume amber liquid

Then;

Roll cracked glass vessel off table and onto Mechadino

[Loyal]

First consume AMBER FLUID, then investigate the PAIR OF THINGS.

[Dracorion]

Commands:

Bounce like an idiot and shit on the picture.

First, consume table to increase mass. Second, consume Grimpond.

Evolve wings and fly away.

Evolve plasma cannon.

Name: Roy.
Or,
Howwie McBobbley.

[Krylo]

Squishy: Ignore Dracorion. Those commands are silly.

Squishy: Consume Amber Fluid.

Squishy: Investigate paper.

Squishy: Consume paper after investigating it.

[Aldurin]

Consume amber fluid, investigate paper then consume all objects remaining on the table, including the cloth.

[Intern Nin]

Squishy: Morph an exact copy of the sigil on the paper onto your left front foot.

Lastly, be the robot dinosaur and consume a portion of the amber liquid in your tail to engage transformation sequence.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Squishy: Consume amber fluid.

Grimpond: Consume table leg.

[Aerozord]

that drawing is totally a transmutation circle, PERFORM ALCHEMY

[akaSM]

Consume AMBER FLUID.

Improve VISCOSITY so that wall climbing is possible.

Push the CRACKED GLASS VESSEL off the table.

Examine STRANGE PICTURE.

Examine the tastiness of the PAIR OF THINGS.

Look at what's Grimpond up to, then hiss at it.

Also, maybe Grimpond is some sort of mouse...or mouser if you will. Looks like we're in some sort of house or something, and the GENTLEMANLY ROBOT lives here. Also, the pair of things look like some lab equipment, and we've seen lots of glass tubes and other lab-y stuff.

[Fenris]

his name isn't Squishy

[Flarecobra]

First off: See if you need to jump in order to reach the AMBER Fluid.

[rpgdemon]

his name isn't Squishy

YOUR name isn't Squishy.

[EVILNess]

Weep tears of joy that you didn't get eaten!

[Teal Mage]

...

Well, now that we're out of the tunnels.

> Decompress?

I'd suggest losing that evolution, but it may come in handy later.

So! Instead I'm going to suggest getting rid other wasteful evolutions. If need be, we can evolve them again later.

> Unevolve: Improved Noisemaking, Improved Echolocation (we have bioluminescence, why do we need this?), Jumbo Mitochondria (and its related Mitochonduits) Advanced Laser Eyes (bioluminescence!), Low Profile Nose (you can't see it at all!) and Cannibalize (we really don't need this).

…I also wonder why in the world we need a spine, but, since that might help us move, for the moment, I believe we should keep it. Now then, to be constructive!

> Perhaps evolve better viscosity? I have no idea if this works.

> Evolve Bipedal Capacity (with hind legs, of course), to make pushing the glass ball onto T-Rex easier. Also better coordination, so future landings may be less shameful (http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0239.png).

[Krylo]

Advanced Laser Eyes

I will drive up there and murder you.

[Sifright]

I suggest NOT devolving laser eyes as they are one of the only defenses we have and later on we hopefully can improve them further.

Commands.

Drink Amber Fluid.

Contemplate life and look around the room taking in a 360 view of our surroundings and our position in the world.

(maybe evolve better brain, or perhaps evolve folded brain like humans have)

[akaSM]

Contemplate life and look around the room taking in a 360 view of our surroundings and our position in the world.

I was about to post something like this, I want to see the world we're in.

[Aerozord]

> Unevolve: ...Cannibalize (we really don't need this).



its been awhile, but isn't cannibalize HOW we unevolve things? I atleast know its what keeps us from losing 100% of the mass used to make it.

[Fenris]

YOUR name isn't Squishy.

You're right!

[Teal Mage]

its been awhile, but isn't cannibalize HOW we unevolve things? I atleast know its what keeps us from losing 100% of the mass used to make it.

Hm, I should have done this before.


>Evolve ability to ABSORB or RECREATE past evolutions at will.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0129.png

You have learnt CANNIBALISE. You can now consume your EVOLUTIONS to regain most of the MASS invested in them.

You are correct Aero! I apologize, let's not get rid of it. I also change command to Cannabalize, rather than merely Unevolve.

I suggest NOT devolving laser eyes as they are one of the only defenses we have and later on we hopefully can improve them further.

Laser Eyes suck.

>USE LASER EYES on DWELLER IN THE DARK

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0150.png

It's... it's ACTUALLY EFFECTIVE!

This is the only time they didn't suck, and only because the Dweller is afraid of Light. We are in a light-filled world now, ergo, laser eyes are useless.

Beyond that, Bioluminensence did a better job at being Laser Eyes than Laser Eyes ever did.

>Use LASER EYES to stun FANGED DEATH.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0158.png

It really doesn't like that.

>Force it back into the PIT.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0159.png

It has more tentacles than you have eyes!

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0161.png

Your ENEMIES have joined forces!

This was not one of your better ideas.

>Very quickly evolve BIOLUMINESCENCE

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0162.png

You now glow in the dark.

You feel PRETTY. The DWELLER has RETREATED. Your mood has improved to SLIGHTLY HAPPY.

Additionally, while the Mitochondrion may be nice, and may make the Laser Eyes undefinably better, it also costs precious mass to use.

>USE MASS to EVOLVE a method of TURNING EXCESS MASS into ENERGY.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0200.png

After careful consideration, you evolve a JUMBO MITOCHONDRION.

You feel more ENERGETIC.


>USE MASS to EVOLVE a method of CHANNELING ENERGY INTO LASER EYES for more powerful and energetic bursts.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0201.png

You evolve MITOCHONDUITS.

Your LASER EYES are more powerful!


Bioluminenscence does everything Laser Eyes does, but better. And only costs one actually two evolutionary slots!

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0206.png

You can now IMAGINE your BRACHIATED SYMPTOMINODE.


http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0207.png

And your equally important GENERATIVE RHIZOMALGAM.

Count the dots! There's either five or six evolutionary slots tied up in these useless Laser Eyes.

But if you're concerned for your safety:

> Evolve Ability to instinctively match the color of your surroundings when threatened (or just to turn clear if that's too hard for your tiny brain), simulating invisibility.

That should work until someone comes up with a better idea. Or we meet an angry thing with a nose.

…

> Evolve Ability to create new evolutions reflexively.

[PyrosNine]

> Ignore all other commands for now, you've had a long day and a near death experience, so recuperate lost energy with a nap from your perch of relative safety.

[Aerozord]

well I think its our human nature to want to kill things that threaten us. We are not a "run and hide" species.

So I say

>Cannibalize everything related to laser eyes
>Evolve Skeleton
>Evolve Claws
>Evolve Teeth
>Evolve Jaw Muscles (so they have the force to damage stone and metal)


> Evolve Ability to create new evolutions reflexively.
but that wouldn't really help since we can only make these choices between events anyways

[Fenris]

> Ignore all other commands for now, you've had a long day and a near death experience, so recuperate lost energy with a nap from your perch of relative safety.

Do this after you devour the amber fluid and examine the PAIR OF THINGS and the MYSTERIOUS DRAWING thing.

Maintain LEVEL OF ALERTNESS so that we are aware of any threats appearing before us while we rest.

[Krylo]

I swear to god if you sons of bitches devolve laser eyes before I can turn them into chemical cutting lasers I will kill someone.

[Sifright]

I swear to god if we don't take a look at our surroundings I will cut a bitch. Information is the most important thing we can gather. Lets do it please!

also before we devolve noise making Echolocate room and then use to look around

[Krylo]

Honestly, I don't know why we're thinking about devolving (or evolving) anything right now. We went through a bout of that back before this was on hiatus, and everyone agreed we wouldn't be doing a bunch of evolving any more unless it was necessary to progress, on the basis that OTHERWISE all we do is evolve/devolve things.

Also: I'd like to remind you all of the last time you went and devolved something when I said you shouldn't: Sticky secretions and secretion control.

I'd then like everyone to remember trying to climb the table leg.

See where I'm going with this?

[Dracorion]

>Evolve more lasers and more eyes. Also, evolve ability to make each eye look in a different direction.

[Teal Mage]

> Ignore Dracorion.

also before we devolve noise making Echolocate room and then use to look around

We can do that with our eyes.

We went through a bout of that back before this was on hiatus, and everyone agreed we wouldn't be doing a bunch of evolving any more unless it was necessary to progress, on the basis that OTHERWISE all we do is evolve/devolve things.

I still think we should get rid of the useless evolutions. But holding back on new ones, I suppose, is probably for the best.

Also: I'd like to remind you all of the last time you went and devolved something when I said you shouldn't: Sticky secretions and secretion control.

Those weren't useless.

well I think its our human nature to want to kill things that threaten us. We are not a "run and hide" species.

Floyd isn't human! Also hard things didn't work out too well the last time we tried them, and we're kinda tiny. Probably better to hold back on 'em.

Otherwise, I'll leave actions to other people.

[Aldurin]

>Evolve pyrokinesis, then test said power on Grimpond

[Krylo]

I still think we should get rid of the useless evolutions. But holding back on new ones, I suppose, is probably for the best.

[...]

Those weren't useless.

Firstly, you are judging them based on pre-mitochonduit status. They should now be powerful enough to create heat, and perhaps light paper on fire, assuming a sacrifice of fuel.

Secondly, you aren't looking toward the long term. What is useless today (laser eyes, STICKY SECRETIONS) may not be useless tomorrow. ESPECIALLY with more evolutions going into them. Laser eyes has always been a long term plan, that is to be very useful later, not right at the moment.

Thirdly, you aren't thinking of how these evolutions might be used in accordance with other items. For instance, what we have right now are laser eyes, and a method of delivering quick, reliable, bursts of high amounts of energy. You could argue that currently neither is particularly useful, but how about if we connected more mitochonduits to the legs and arms for bursts of high speed or power once we have the viscosity to handle it? How about to the brain to power greater computational speed or greater reasoning (a brain requires a shitload of energy).

Fourthly, you aren't even considering current uses: Bioluminescence is good for exactly one thing, the dweller. Advanced echolocation is good for having full 360 degree vision everywhere we go, regardless of how dark or bright it is. In fact, the consensus before was to hold onto both only until we can kill the dweller and then drop bioluminescence. And the low profile nose? The low profile part might be useless, but that's not why we have it. We have it so that we can smell things. It's giving us one of our five senses, and is thus immensely important. Maybe not NOW but it will be.

None of our current evolutions are useless, and shouldn't be devolved unless we NEED to get rid of something to make room for something necessary.

[Teal Mage]

Kay then!

I retract my suggestions, since I've said all I wanted to.

Well, all suggestions except:

> Decompress

[BitVyper]

Yeah, lets not devolve anything. I can't see any reason to bother right now, and all of these things can become more useful with time. It'd just be silly to ditch anything at the moment.

Speaking of uses for our laser eyes:

> Shine laser eyes on a far off wall to focus the mechadinosaur elsewhere.

Now lets just hope it isn't smarter than a cat.

[Dracorion]

I figured out how to fix our cloning problem.

>First, consume liquid. Second, create a clone that already has its own brain.

>Clone: Evolve eyes, ears, nose, mouth, legs, etc. You know, the basics.

[tacticslion]

I swear to god if we don't take a look at our surroundings I will cut a bitch. Information is the most important thing we can gather. Lets do it please!

also before we devolve noise making Echolocate room and then use to look around

>First: Carefully examine everything you can from your current location with all of your senses (auditory, visual, olfactory, tactile, anything else I'm missing) to get a good handle on absolutely everything you can everywhere you can from your current position.

Do this after you devour the amber fluid and examine the PAIR OF THINGS and the MYSTERIOUS DRAWING thing.

Maintain LEVEL OF ALERTNESS so that we are aware of any threats appearing before us while we rest.

>Second: if at all reasonably possible, without falling off, and if our sensory information doesn't indicate a good reason not to, devour AMBER FLUID and examine the PAIR OF THINGS and the MYSTERIOUS DRAWING.

Yeah, lets not devolve anything. I can't see any reason to bother right now, and all of these things can become more useful with time. It'd just be silly to ditch anything at the moment.

Speaking of uses for our laser eyes:

> Shine laser eyes on a far off wall to focus the mechadinosaur elsewhere.

Now lets just hope it isn't smarter than a cat.

>Third: if it seems wise at the time, try to distract the dino-robot (tentatively nicknamed "Grimpond") away from you. Laser-pointer might work for that if laser eyes can project a point on the floor at a good distance without setting an unwanted fire or something.

> Ignore all other commands for now, you've had a long day and a near death experience, so recuperate lost energy with a nap from your perch of relative safety.

>Tentatively agreed: except for those outlined in this post above above, ignore all other commands for now and, unless earlier sensory examination indicates it would be a bad idea, rest while maintaining as much awareness as possible in this situation.

[Aerozord]

just like to toss out that claws and teeth will aid in climbing and digesting hard materials, both things we've had difficulty with in the past

[tacticslion]

just like to toss out that claws and teeth will aid in climbing and digesting hard materials, both things we've had difficulty with in the past

Understood, but we need a more solid structure first. We don't even have a reasonable muscle mass in order to get the leverage we need to succeed with using those. At our current state they wouldn't do too much good. It's a good long-term plan, if we get that complicated, but in the short term, not so much. We'll need a lot of other evolutions first, and I think we're avoiding those for now.

[Aerozord]

think we might just need a skeletal frame, think that would be enough for basic mobility, plus wont need viscosity anymore

[Sifright]

Whilst I agree we shouldn't waste time devolving and evolving masses of different things, I agree we would be better off getting a full skeletal structure.

So in order I suggest doing a 360 degree view of the room with our advanced eyes. using echolocation to find out if the desk we are on is hollow.

Then evolving a skeleton and a more advanced brain (folded brain like humans have)

Muscle mass doesn't need to be particularly strong for us to lift our selves up if we have a rigid structure. it is a well known fact that for biological entities weight scales at much faster rate to size and we are very small so at the moment our weight should be correspondingly small and only a tiny amount of muscle mass is needed to move us around

[Aldurin]

>Attempt to devour air for any usable elements within it.

[Fenris]

>Attempt to devour air for any usable elements within it.

Please stop having ideas.

Let's get a bearing for our surroundings and make a decision once we have more information.

[DarkDrgon]

I agree with Fenris,
>Devour AMBER FLUID
>Survey Surroundings

[Sifright]

See every one agrees with me! We should check our surroundings with all available senses consume the fluid and then evolve a skeleton and a folded brain.

[tacticslion]

See every one agrees with me! We should check our surroundings with all available senses consume the fluid and then evolve a skeleton and a folded brain.

Er... no. The first two (check our surroundings and consume fluid), yes, the second (evolve), no.

Here's the tally so far (I've ignored all commands that are arbitrarily silly or have been retracted - it doesn't stop some of these from being silly):
Squishy: Ignore Dracorion. Those commands are silly.

Squishy: Consume Amber Fluid.

Squishy: Investigate paper.

Squishy: Consume paper after investigating it.


First consume AMBER FLUID, then investigate the PAIR OF THINGS.

Ah so a sense of scale is at last revealed. So without further ado;

Consume amber liquid

Then;

Roll cracked glass vessel off table and onto Mechadino

Consume AMBER FLUID.

Improve VISCOSITY so that wall climbing is possible.

Push the CRACKED GLASS VESSEL off the table.

Examine STRANGE PICTURE.

Examine the tastiness of the PAIR OF THINGS.

Look at what's Grimpond up to, then hiss at it.

Also, maybe Grimpond is some sort of mouse...or mouser if you will. Looks like we're in some sort of house or something, and the GENTLEMANLY ROBOT lives here. Also, the pair of things look like some lab equipment, and we've seen lots of glass tubes and other lab-y stuff.(re: looking around)I was about to post something like this, I want to see the world we're in.

Squishy: Consume amber fluid.

Grimpond: Consume table leg.

Squishy: Morph an exact copy of the sigil on the paper onto your left front foot.

Lastly, be the robot dinosaur and consume a portion of the amber liquid in your tail to engage transformation sequence.

Consume amber fluid, investigate paper then consume all objects remaining on the table, including the cloth.

Weep tears of joy that you didn't get eaten!

Do this after you devour the amber fluid and examine the PAIR OF THINGS and the MYSTERIOUS DRAWING thing.

Maintain LEVEL OF ALERTNESS so that we are aware of any threats appearing before us while we rest.Please stop having ideas.

Let's get a bearing for our surroundings and make a decision once we have more information.


> Ignore all other commands for now, you've had a long day and a near death experience, so recuperate lost energy with a nap from your perch of relative safety.

I agree with Fenris,
>Devour AMBER FLUID
>Survey Surroundings

I swear to god if we don't take a look at our surroundings I will cut a bitch. Information is the most important thing we can gather. Lets do it please!

also before we devolve noise making Echolocate room and then use to look around

>First: Carefully examine everything you can from your current location with all of your senses (auditory, visual, olfactory, tactile, anything else I'm missing) to get a good handle on absolutely everything you can everywhere you can from your current position.

Do this after you devour the amber fluid and examine the PAIR OF THINGS and the MYSTERIOUS DRAWING thing.

Maintain LEVEL OF ALERTNESS so that we are aware of any threats appearing before us while we rest.

>Second: if at all reasonably possible, without falling off, and if our sensory information doesn't indicate a good reason not to, devour AMBER FLUID and examine the PAIR OF THINGS and the MYSTERIOUS DRAWING.

Yeah, lets not devolve anything. I can't see any reason to bother right now, and all of these things can become more useful with time. It'd just be silly to ditch anything at the moment.

Speaking of uses for our laser eyes:

> Shine laser eyes on a far off wall to focus the mechadinosaur elsewhere.

Now lets just hope it isn't smarter than a cat.

>Third: if it seems wise at the time, try to distract the dino-robot (tentatively nicknamed "Grimpond") away from you. Laser-pointer might work for that if laser eyes can project a point on the floor at a good distance without setting an unwanted fire or something.

> Ignore all other commands for now, you've had a long day and a near death experience, so recuperate lost energy with a nap from your perch of relative safety.

>Tentatively agreed: except for those outlined in this post above above, ignore all other commands for now and, unless earlier sensory examination indicates it would be a bad idea, rest while maintaining as much awareness as possible in this situation.


In the end, it seems that we are all agreed that we should - if viable - consume the fluid, and almost all agreed that we should look around. I won't re-post the whole "evolve/don't" discussion, save to say that several people want several different evolutions/devolutions - but we're generally agreed that - for right now - we're going to NOT do any such thing.

Aldurin and Dracorion tend to have very silly ideas.

There are a number of other commands - investigate and/or consume paper, investigate and/or (look into) consuming pair of things, rest, and attempt to distract mecha-dino are the most notable by votes.

There are also a couple of calls to Be The Robot Dinosaur - I believe this will result in something similar to the Be The Robot earlier. I think, at most, this would give us a minor and brief insight into the character of the R-Dino (nicknamed by several "Grimpond"), and then back to "Squishy" which, despite anyone's personal preferences, seems to be the majority-consensus name (and was even referenced by Ahara much earlier).

Also, there's been a couple of calls to ignore most previous orders (my post included) with notable exceptions made.

[Sifright]

I'm well aware that no one was agreeing with me for the evolutions. I still think though that evolving a folded brain is a brilliant idea, we are dealing with a larger world now thus we need more brain power.

[Aldurin]

Aldurin and Dracorion tend to have very silly ideas.

Consuming anything that clearly will never have any use is very practical. But Drac's ideas can go screw themselves.

[Aerozord]

come on, skeleton, I mean we already have a spine, why so uncommited?

[Teal Mage]

Broken Bones hurt.

Also, they may not actually do anything.

We already seem to be able to maintain a shape! Beyond that, I think we could do the same thing by improving Viscosity (already suggested) without becoming susceptible to broken bones and keeping our wonderful squishy body.

[Aerozord]

we already have bones, even if we do break them can just de/re-evolve them

[Sifright]

Two votes for skeleton, Aerozord you should totally vote for a folded brain as well!

Plus skeleton would give us the ability to climb

[Teal Mage]

So would improved Viscosity, and that doesn't require Arhra to draw a new thing. Also doesn't make me wonder how Floyd would evolve a complicated bone structure without ever seeing, erm, bones before. A spinal cord (in some ways, anyway) is a lot simplier.

If Floyd can't just raise his vital statistics though, I'll (consider) supporting skeleton. 'til its proven he can't we should go with simplicity.

Oh, speaking of proving something.

> After Nap, test Improved Laser Eyes on Table.

> Be prepared to smother fire with body.

I still think its a stupid evolution, but we might as well test it.

Edit: I should note that Skeletons (on their own) do not let humans climb things, that's their muscles. I am hesitant to approve further useless evolutions. Especially when they may have negative side-effects.

[Marc v4.0]

So would improved Viscosity, and that doesn't require Arhra to draw a new thing. Also doesn't make me wonder how Floyd would evolve a complicated bone structure without ever seeing, erm, bones before. A spinal cord (in some ways, anyway) is a lot simplier.

If Floyd can't just raise his vital statistics though, I'll (consider) supporting skeleton. 'til its proven he can't we should go with simplicity.

Oh, speaking of proving something.

> After Nap, test Improved Laser Eyes on Table.

> Be prepared to smother fire with body.

I still think its a stupid evolution, but we might as well test it.

Edit: I should note that Skeletons (on their own) do not let humans climb things, that's their muscles. I am hesitant to approve further useless evolutions. Especially when they may have negative side-effects.

the laser eyes and cat ears and all that other stuff that requires a prior knowledge of something else didn't flip your "How could he have..." switch?

[Teal Mage]

They did actually!

I just didn't post about it.

Also, comparatively speaking, Cat Ears (Ears belonging to a Cat) and Laser Eyes (Eyes that shoot Lasers) are more self explanatory than, say, a full skeleton. Laser Eyes moreso than Cat Ears.

That sort of thing is really Arhra's call though.

[Aerozord]

A spinal cord (in some ways, anyway) is a lot simplier.

no, spinal cord is one of the most complex parts of your skeleton. Just compare even a single vertebra to a femur

[Sifright]

Teal mage, How did we evolve eyes and a brain before seeing eyes and a brain? Clearly our evolutions don't require us to have experience of the things before hand. Just an active imagination.

[rpgdemon]

I personally think that evolving an actual skeleton seems to be a poor idea: You risk being more susceptible to damage, and don't really get anything out of it. And you lose your ability to go stealth-mode.

[Aldurin]

Please update this before we overload with requests that may or may not be based on our limited options.

[Sifright]

We have an actual brain now. I'm pretty sure we want to keep that protected. inside some sort of a brain case. Hey i think they call those skulls what do you know? Does any one honestly think we would survive an attack like before if it crushed our brain?

[Krylo]

You're fighting a losing argument, Sif. I wanted to keep the badass super exoskeletal armor, and everyone else was all "It's uuuugly" so now we have no badass super exoskeletal armor.

[Sifright]

If i get nothing else out of every one I still say we should increase our brain size, if that means adding a temporal lobe or giving our brain folds we should do so. Temporal lobe is probably best, then we can make a rudimentry language and start to describe things and possibly understand more complex ideas like tool use.

[Loyal]

Why, though? Why do we need a more complex brain, and what do we need tool use for? Even ignoring that, it seems safe to assume that despite lacking a complex brain, Squishy can still understand complex ideas. We do have a fashionable hat, after all.

[Sifright]

IF you look earlier on we were incapable of fashioning certain things because squishy didn't understand how or what they were. Plus increased brain size will allow us to make some evolutions take up less slots as our more powerful brain can find ways to utilize basic ones in different ways.

[Aerozord]

you know you cant see the skeleton, and it would actually help define limbs. Part of the reason we gave him a spine

[Loyal]

Still doesn't explain why we'd need things like language or tool use. We are Squishy. We're a few inches tall, most other living creatures are interested only in our destruction, and our vernacular for interacting with things includes lasering it, eating it, throwing it, and wearing it as a hat.

Like, if it became relevant later, okay. But right now? What's the point?

[Aerozord]

Like, if it became relevant later, okay. But right now? What's the point?

to deduce the meaning of a robotic gentleman tipping his hat

[Fenris]

We are Squishy.

No we're not!

[akaSM]

No we're not!

Ok, everyone but Fenris is Squishy

Also, +1 to the folded brain, who knows what other secrets will be revealed to us if we get a more powerful brain. Also, I agree with creating a dot with our laser eyes and see what Grimpond does ^_^. We might even get more evolutionary slots.

Right now a skeleton or a skull don't seem like great ideas, we don't need them right now. Our body, as squishy as it is, seems to have enough support. If we needed any structure, we should try cartilage first, and if we get too heavy and need extra support, a bony structure (internal or external) would work, but not right now.

[Krylo]

I'd like to add that minimal skeletal structure might actually be advantageous to us for awhile yet, because regardless of whether we are CALLED Squishy, we totally are squishy as an adjective. Which should make it easier for us to squeeze through areas.

[Tev]

I'd like to add that minimal skeletal structure might actually be advantageous to us for awhile yet, because regardless of whether we are CALLED Squishy, we totally are squishy as an adjective. Which should make it easier for us to squeeze through areas.
Just for reference, a mouse has a skeleton. It would be shorter to list all the places a mouse cannot squeeze into.

I'm for getting our bone on. (Not that way you sicko.)

Make with the calcium structures already so we can get to work on things like deadly claws and razor teeth.

[Sifright]

we have 3 or 4 votes agreed on getting a basic skeletal structure and 3 or 4 votes on getting a folded brain! I think that means we have the larger consensus pluuus we are clearly running on first past the post :)

[Krylo]

Just for reference, a mouse has a skeleton. It would be shorter to list all the places a mouse cannot squeeze into.

That's because they are already small. That's like saying that spiders can fit into small holes with exoskeletons. Of course they can, they are the size of a coin.

A more defined body shape, which a skeletal structure would give us, is both an advantage and a disadvantage. It limits the areas we can ooze through, it reduces our ability to be thrown/smacked around (bones are brittle and break, ooze reforms), it limits our ability to devour things by wrapping around them, etc. It also would allow us to push off of our own internal structure, resulting in a net result of greater strength. It would give us a more defined shape which would result in the same effect as a higher viscosity (easier to push against things). It would allow us to have an anchor point for other objects.

Mostly, I'm only against it because I am against any fiddling with the evolution matrix until such a time as it is necessary.

As for why THAT is, just look back to near the beginning: "Oh shit, a wall, let's evolve the ability to secrete acid/sticky stuff/claws." "Oh shit, an enemy, let's evolve the ability to secrete armor." Every time we came across anything at all we evolved something new to deal with it immediately.

Evolution shouldn't become the go to solution to all of our problems, which is PROBABLY the reason Arhra limited the number of slots we have for evolution.

Instead, evolutions (and devolutions) should be saved for things that are necessary for us at a given time, or for agreed upon "let's evolve the fuck out of our squishy little pink blob" moments.

THAT SAID, I am for getting a better brain eventually, as it might increase the number of evolution slots. However, I rather suspect that we can't just go 'evolve better brain' for the same reason we couldn't just go 'evolve better laser eyes'.

We MAY have everything we need right now to evolve a singular mental upgrade (more energy going to brain [mitochonduits seem to get to the eyes through the optical nerves], advanced hearing and noisemaking allowing us to experiment with communicative sounds, etc.) but at the same time, I'm not sure it's necessary yet, and our brain already seems rather advanced, as that we can imagine abstract concepts and what not already.

I also put it at a rather low priority until such a time as we begin another 'let's evolve this fucker' session, because beyond the possibility of increasing evolution slots and maybe letting us finally actually name the pink blob canonically, I see little actual advantage to having a brain. Squishy's (fuck you, Fenris. It's easier than typing pink ameoba-like blob every time) ability to recognize what things mean and gain insights into his world is equal to OUR ability to do the same, as we are piloting him.

[rpgdemon]

I'd like to add that minimal skeletal structure might actually be advantageous to us for awhile yet, because regardless of whether we are CALLED Squishy, we totally are squishy as an adjective. Which should make it easier for us to squeeze through areas.

That's what I'm saying.

[Aerozord]

probably just need skeletol legs, arms, maybe hands and feet. Rib cage is there to help facilitate breathing and protect internal organs, both of which we dont have much need for. Skull, up for opinion.

My big issue with the laser eyes is not them in and of themselves, but they take ALOT of evolutionary slots to be viable.

[Sifright]

If the evolutionary slots now operate as we suspect then what would you replace them with as they would have to be eye based.

[Aerozord]

it does not have to be eye based and the mitochondria and related parts that power they eye lasers are not functions of them, in any case we can take those slots and branch out other abilities more.

I do not suggest we replace them. We do not inherently need a weapon, not like eye lasers ever killed anything.

However if you insist on a weapon there are far simpler methods. I even already suggested it, skeleton will allow us to evolve claws and teeth, not only can these be weapons but are excellent tools as well and to get both we'd only need 2 or 3 evolution slots, plus use of it would not cause loss of mass

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to summarize, eye lasers are cool but inefficient (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CoolButInefficient)

[akaSM]

to summarize, eye lasers are cool but inefficient (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CoolButInefficient)

Hmm, what's this link about...

oh god (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SchmuckBait)

Maybe the brain folds won't take any evolutionary slot at all, they're just folds after all :confused:. And a higher intelligence might give us more understanding of the evolutionary tree thingies.

[Aerozord]

Hmm, what's this link about...

oh god (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SchmuckBait)


dont get it

[akaSM]

dont get it

This (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife), seriously, everyone has been through that at least once. The image in that page summarizes it quite well.

Back on topic, didn't we get some "free evolutions" some time ago? I think the new/improved evolution just used the same slot as the old/original one. I just can't remember what was it :sweatdrop.

[Sifright]

Advanced echolocation. I think advanced eyes was a free upgrade from laser eyes

[SephirothSama]

Flubb up and down! :D

[tacticslion]

AHRA, my vote is as follows: examine surroundings, drink stuff, and rest (if wise)

Everyone else...
...okay, here's the deal: several people here want to evolve something. I understand: evolutions are exciting. But, we don't have the slots or knowledge to do so right now.

First: we have two unused (at this time) slots. One is, by way of sample picture below, near the improved laser eyes, with the other near the improved echolocation. The two dark gray, almost black small circles. These two slots are important - we need to use them at some time, but now is not that time.

Second: I wholeheartedly approve of eventually getting a bigger/better brain... eventually - this is not that day/moment. Trust me, I really, really want a better brain. I just can't justify acting on this until after we examine our area a bit more and discuss this reasonably (not just by garnering votes via excitement).

Third: Bones would - at this current time - be a bad idea. We're fragile and small - bones are limited in their utility at this size... it's why insects have exoskeletons instead, as bones wouldn't really do much good. We're larger than most bugs, but being squishy (the state not the name, Fen) isn't bad for us at the current time.

All that said, we do have two slots to use: two "ANATOMEMORIES" on our "ANATOMICAL TESSELLATRIX". We could, by consensus, pick one (or both, though I'd recommend against this) of these, now (by which I do not mean in this next update) or later, as they become practical. Hands and whiskers are both one slot in this, which means it'll likely (based off of my mental associations) have to be some gross anatomical feature that is easily definable and useful for physical/tactile interaction/sensory input. I'd say feet, a tail, or something similar. It seems (based off pure speculation on my part after observation) that there are three current spots for us to have gross anatomical features (i.e. whiskers, hands, one more) - that is that we can have three currently at any time; however it seems that there are four assignable memory slots - that is we can switch between the three at our leisure (be those other two potentials tentacles, tails, feet, or the like).

Now, I want Arha to update. Let's LEAVE THE COMMANDS ALONE and let him update. Everyone, I'm making a general call - let's agree to a small, short update (examine surroundings, drink stuff, and rest) and discuss everything else amongst ourselves in the meanwhile. Please - I'm asking for a general consensus - no evolutions until we discuss them. A smaller update sooner from Ahra is better than long periods of infighting and silence. Yes? So, here's my call: please just post "let's do (examine surroundings, drink stuff, and rest (if wise))" (or "I agree" or something similar) once below here if you agree to allow us to update sans evolutions at this exact moment. Post in bold at the top of your post. This lets Ahra know we're together on this.

Again, what we're agreeing on is this: examine surroundings, drink stuff, and rest (if wise).

Nothing else. The point being, to get an update going.

Beneath your "I agree, let's do it" comment (in the same post), then write about about what you think we should do and why. We need to have a comprehensible, reasonable discussion rather than a bunch of "I think this" v "shut up". Let's examine and understand the glimpse of what Ahra has given us - let's discuss that now so we can make informed decisions on our potential evolutions, not rash ones. Krylo, I think we've got to accept that a consensus is forming against us, but perhaps with a conversation (and delaying it until after the next update) we can make it work for us instead of against us.


>Evolve bigger BRAIN.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0204.png

You evolve a BRAIN STEM.

You feel more IMAGINATIVE.
You can handle more complex CONCEPTS.
Your COORDINATION has improved.


http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0205.png

Suddenly it all becomes so much clearer.


http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0206.png

You can now IMAGINE your BRACHIATED SYMPTOMINODE.


http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0207.png

And your equally important GENERATIVE RHIZOMALGAM.

You have replaced your WHISKERS and HANDS evolutions with PROTEAN.


http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/Arhra/ho/ho_0208.png

You assign WHISKERS and HANDS to your ANATOMICAL TESSELLATRIX.

You can recall up to two more ANATOMEMORIES.

[Aerozord]

also think we should remove echolocation and improved noise making, its redundant with bioluminesence, which has proved to be more useful

[Dracorion]

>Roy: Okay, forget everything else. Just drop the tablecloth on Grimpond. Just pick it up. Move it over to the edge. And drop it.

[Sifright]

Aero you silly echolocation lets us see behind us and potentially through walls

[Flarecobra]

And Improved Noise Making lets Squishy/Roy/Whatever we name ourselves communicate verbally.

[Sifright]

Which WILL be needed when we find our creator who clearly used alchemical magic and his own blood to create us. (the broken glass the red fluids around and the alchemical circle? come on!) The earlier we get language the better

[Aerozord]

Aero you silly echolocation lets us see behind us and potentially through walls

this is a differance between mechanical effect and thematic effect. seeing behind us doesn't really come into play, this isn't a first person perspective. Has inablility to see behind us ever really come into play?

but even so its a matter of cost vs benifit. Just to see in all directions takes two or three upgrades, for that we could just add more eyes, or maybe articulating ones

[Flarecobra]

Not being able to see anything at all HAS come into play. (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1025999&postcount=283)

[Aerozord]

bioluminescence gets around seeing in the dark just fine, and in color

[Marc v4.0]

Echolocation is a step towards stunning our foes with concentrated bursts of sounds!

Yeah, look about, eat, take a nap

[tacticslion]

... so we've still got no consensus for the next update? Really?

ALL WE NEED IS ARHRA TO LOOK AROUND, CONSUME FLUID, NAP CAREFULLY.
Seriously, vote to agree to this, then discuss what you like below that. We can evolve/devolve in the second update after we look around, eat, and nap.

C'mon, guys, work with me so Arhra can do something.

[Bifrost]

Pretty much this. We should check out our surroundings and eat EVERYTHING before even thinking about evolving more, especially with limited evolution slots, especially especially when our current evolutions may no longer apply in this new environment.

[Sky Warrior Bob]

First, since I've been sick I missed the last update. Having gone back a few pages, I think this needs to be said.

Sea Monkeys! WE'RE MADE FROM SEA MONKEYS!!!
The horror.

Next, on the topic of eye lasers, since Arhra's a jerk & won't ever let our lasers to be deadly, no matter how many times we evolve them. Lets de-evolve (cannibalize) them to their first level status. That way we keep their ineffectual nature, but we don't lose them.

Because, just like the cat ears, I say that laser eyes are part of us now. Getting rid of them entirely, would be like cutting off your own arm.

Also, I'd like to incorporate the crest. So it isn't just sitting on our head, but is part of us now. I think I remember from biology, that human cells appear to incorporated bacteria in a similar fashion. I think also, clams or some other sea creatures do stuff similar (taking shells & whatnot).

That way, we can start growing parts out of the same material. Like claws or teeth. Might not even cost us as much evolution/fluids. (Not that this has been explained very effectively.)

Yes, I've asked for this before. But I was ignored (like so many other times). So I'm asking again.

SWB

[Aerozord]

Because, just like the cat ears, I say that laser eyes are part of us now. Getting rid of them entirely, would be like cutting off your own arm.


I agree with this analogy, but to expand on it we are talking about cutting our arm off and replacing it with a potentially awesome prosthetic. Though I am sure there are people that would rather keep their arm as is, I would rather make room for something more useful.

I'm also the type to make room in anticipation of a need. I miss our old wiggle room where we could simply add things without worry about hitting our max again.

And think of it from reference of actual evolution. Our environment has changed. We are no longer in a dark cramp cave, ability to see in the dark and reduce our size is now ALOT less useful.

Hmm I just had a crazy idea, we are outside so why not
Evolve: Chlorophyll

and get our photosynthesis on. Even if its very low growth over time, its passive and that little bit can add up

[Sky Warrior Bob]

Hmm I just had a crazy idea, we are outside so why not
Evolve: Chlorophyll

and get our photosynthesis on. Even if its very low growth over time, its passive and that little bit can add up

We are still indoors from my reasoning. Just on a table that is outside our little habitat pen.

So no you're idea won't work very well & I still say keep the laser eyes.

SWB