MEGAMAAAAAAN [Archive] - The Warring States of NPF

Kerensky287

02-13-2010, 12:59 AM

So, I have recently gone into a bit of a Megaman craze. When I was younger I didn't really have any interest in the series whatsoever, but I played and loved Megaman 9 enough to do a flash movie about it (which I might link in the Drawing section when it's done or something). I also recently started playing Megaman X because I remember watching my friend play once.

I figured, since Megaman 10 has been announced and everything, why not have a thread about it? Who here is a fan of the games? Which ones were good? Who agrees with me that the story occasionally takes itself WAY too seriously...?

Julford Hajime

02-13-2010, 01:31 AM

I've played most of the original series, as well as most of the Mega Man X series. I have very little to say that is bad about the series, besides that each game has SOMETHING that will piss you off unless you know the trick to it and/or memorize what you need to do and then perform the actions with perfect precision. It could be the Yellow Devil fight, Quick Man's instant-death segment, figuring out which of your eight weapons is the only one to hurt the boss that takes half your bar off a hit, jet bikes, whatever.

ANYWHO, onto the games as I recall them.

Mega Man 1 is a giant bitch. A couple glitches aside, there is also the game-stopping (As far as I know) problem of beating a certain boss (Elec? Cut? I forget just who exactly >.>) before Gutsman, as you need an item found in a specific stage for one of the Wily stages. Still though, it's the original, so I'd give it cred there.

MM2 is my favorite in the series, because Metal Blade is the single most broken weapon in ANY Mega Man series. Huge amounts of ammo, as well as most bosses being weak to it, make it the weapon of choice.

MM 3-6 are a blur, honestly >.> Snake Man was a cool stage, but the boss and his power were stupid and I hate that I need to use it on Wily. Rush killed the difficulty of more than a few segments of the game, and I enjoyed the dog immensely.

MM7 did a lot of things right, and is right behind 2 for my favorite of the original series. A couple neat secrets, some neat powers, and one hellish Wily fight make it a blast to go back and play.

MM8 was... Eh. It just never clicked with me.

MEGA MAN X IS THE BEST MEGA MAN GAME EVER AND I WILL PERSONALLY SLAP ANYONE WHO DARES SAY OTHERWISE.

MMX2 had some great level design, and an honest to god X versus Zero fight. It introduced the Air Dash, and overall just improved on everything great that X did.

MMX3 improved level design even MORE, added a sidequest that altered several endgame bosses, and had my favorite "secret" weapon which was X using Zero's saber to wreck shit.

MMX4 was a big change for the series, but in a good way. Two-part stages, some really unique weapons (Cyber Peacock's, for example), and the ability to play as Zero, who utilizes boss powers completely differently from the traditional MM style.

MMX5 practically fellates everything fans remembered about the original series, as well as finally gave us a "final" fight between X and Zero. Yellow Devil? Now it's the Black Devil. Quick Man's death beams? Back for another round!

And that's all I've really played. Still a lot of games, but I've touched on only a small portion of the MM games out there >.>

Mirai Gen

02-13-2010, 01:42 AM

MEGA MAN X IS THE BEST GAME EVER AND I WILL PERSONALLY SLAP ANYONE WHO DARES SAY OTHERWISE.

There.

Christ, I have to do all the work around here.

MuMu

02-13-2010, 01:47 AM

Don't think I ever payed attention to the story, Zero series excluded. Bad robots, steal their power, kill nigh-invincible last boss.

Anyway, the series as I've played it:

X - Was my first one, still love it. It's not hard, until you hit the non-power stealing bosses. Then shit hits the fan. Finding the Armor Pieces was awesome though.

After that, I got Wily Wars which I recall was the first three NES Megaman games.

MM1 - It was hard as fuck and I don't think I could ever beat a boss in it. Of course, I was quite young, but still.

MM2 - The difficulty goes down a bit, and it has a power you can charge(Or was that in MM3?). That is, until you hit the last boss.

MM3 - My favorite, added Rush and the Slide, found it much easier than it's predecessor but also much more fun.

Then skipped it straight to the PSX where you get:

X4 - If you liked Zero, this is the part where you get a hardon. Guy's playable and has whole different powers from X, not to mention a different story.

X5 - Double the orgasm, now you can swap between then after each misson, although that may cause some problems with the Health upgrades. Again, X and Zero got different playstyles and stories.

X6 - Here it gets tricky. Zero isn't playable at the beginning and you might screw things up for him, if you unlock the guy late in the game. X got three armors in this one, if I'm not mistaken. I remember disliking the story in this one, but not exactly why.

After that it migrates to the PS2, but I lost the interest in playing it on the consoles. However, Nintendo brought the series back into their portables and gave us a couple of new series.

Megaman Zero - My favorite, enjoyed the story and although the levelling system in the first one is pretty annoying, it gets better later( Z3 and Z4 pretty much perfected the playstyle). Ranking system gives you a nice challenge.

Battle Network - I...wasn't fond of this one. Thought it was repetitive, and most of the cast unlikable. However, if you enjoy breaking games, this might be a good choice for you.

Also, a port of Megaman & Bass. It's on the 'hard as fuck, but pretty nice' category.

Zero series later got upgraded to ZX on the DS. It's pretty much a nicer Zero, although I wish the map was easier to explore and we'd get some instructions as to what exactly the powers/armors abilities are.

And...I think that's all. There's Command Mission on the PS2 and Battle Network Something on the GCube, but never played those.

Regulus Tera

02-13-2010, 01:50 AM

Mega Man Zero 3 was the best. Fact.

Mega Man Zero had the best final boss fight, though.

Julford Hajime

02-13-2010, 01:56 AM

Mega Man Zero 3 was the best. Fact.
*Personally slaps Regulus Tera*

I never got into the MMZ games. I forgot to mention MMZ1, which I did beat eventually. I hated the grading system, though I forget if it was the "Punishes the player for being good by denying them future power-ups" or the "Punishes player for doing poorly by denying future power-ups", or even the "Punishes player for daring to use power-ups" model. Either way, I hate being evaluated by the game, as it makes me feel like I need to play the game the way it wants me to play >.>

Mirai Gen

02-13-2010, 01:56 AM

Mega Man Zero had the best solid platforming and action but some of the arbitrary ELF shit was just batshit bananas, and nobody can decide what his third weapon is through the entire series. Is it a shield? A rod? A chain? Nobody knows!

Mega Man X is pure love all the way through. Sure it isn't exactly complex but it's long before they felt like piling more bullshit onto the game.

EDIT: I did like bonuses for beating bosses in quicker times and whatnot, but if that's the case then what the fuck is up with the lives system? It's hard enough without taking it from the top each three failures.

Regulus Tera

02-13-2010, 02:00 AM

Whomper

02-13-2010, 02:04 AM

*takes a deep breath*

In the order I played them:

Mega Man 2 - Hot damn. The only boss I could originally beat was Flash Man. Those were the good ol' days.

Mega Man - Fuck you, Elec Man.

Mega Man 3 - Down + A on controller 2; my first cheat ever. *sheds a tear for nostalgia*

Mega Man 4 - What did Kalinka do with her life? D:

Mega Man 5 - OH GOD WHY CAN'T I JUMP PROPERLY

Mega Man 6 - Fuck you, Tomahawk Man.

Mega Man 7 - Remember that time when we thought Mega Man would be a fun game when blown up to fattening 16-Bit proportions? Yeah no.

Mega Man X - What's this? I can climb walls? FUCK YEAH!

Mega Man X2 - What's this? I kept that sweet dash move from the first one? FUCK YEAH!

Mega Man X3 - What's this? I get to fuck shit up with Zero's Saber? OH FUCK YEAH!

Mega Man X4 - What's this? Loading? Fuck that.

Mega Man 8 - See Mega Man 7.

Mega Man X5 - Who's this flaming dude? Man this series is starting to take a shit.

Mega Man Legends - *tries to jam the controller in the dispenser*

Mega Man X6 - God dammit.

Mega Man X7 - 2.5D? 3D? Fuck your camera, and fuck this series... I'm out.

Mega Man 9 - REDEMPTION!!!! *7th in North America to beat the game*

I'm sure there's some others that go in this list, but other than my painful experience with Legends, I wanted to stick with the main two series. Suffice it to say, I want MM10.

Kerensky287

02-13-2010, 02:22 AM

Oh hey, I forgot Legends. I played it as Megaman 64. The voices were pretty terrible (muffled as hell), and I'm sure the story would've been pretty crappy if I could hear what was going on. But I really enjoyed it and would've played the sequel if I had a PS1.

Megaman Zero was also a fucking blast and I'm buying the DS compilation the moment it's released. It felt like 2d Devil May Cry with awesome platforming and a tacked-on inventory system (the cyber-elfs) which you didn't even really need to use anyway. Unfortunately I couldn't play any of them beyond the first because they aren't available in stores anymore, and when I pursued other methods there was this annoying static everywhere.

So I guess for the most part people are saying Megaman X was the best game ever? Maybe I'm just having issues because I'm playing the shitty anime remake on PSP. "Maverick Hunter X"? Screw that. And the little intro before each fight is stupid and the voices are stupid and I miss when Megaman wasn't ALWAYS ANGRY ALL THE TIME.

Gonna, umm, buy the original Megaman X. And play it on my PSP because that's how things work. I'm sure my experience will be completely different - I guess people agree with me that it felt way too easy. Hell, I beat almost every boss on my first try except Sigma. Once I reach that point, I'll either play until I beat him or give up and head on to MMX2.

I'm strongly considering a blind LP for one of these games - nowadays it's just too easy to head online, ask someone "What weapon is best against Launch Octopus", and then beat him with no trouble. Plus, it'll be fun to see how these games stand on their own without all the heavy nostalgia backing them. MMX at least I had the memories of watching my friend beat Chill Penguin and then give up.

Mirai Gen

02-13-2010, 03:32 AM

The thing about MMX is that it's too easy during the platforming sections. Boss fights are challenging enough, but everything else in the game is a cake. I feel like MMX2 beat it soundly on that arena.
It gets super hard when you get to Sigma, RT. The beginning is to get you acclimated to the game itself. I admit it was pretty easy but this is the kind of game I play over and over again.

Plus if you fight them out of order the game gets tougher (Flame Mammoth without beating Chill Penguin turns half the stage into instant-death).

EDIT: I honestly think that very few games can get away with Mega Man retro levels of difficulty anymore. This is why I still love Mega Man X - if you're good at it, the skill is the deciding factor rather than three-lives death and repeat. Plus it was the progenitor of so many platformers, and it was the first SNES game I got when I was young that made me look at the graphics and go holy shit yes.

EVILNess

02-13-2010, 06:52 AM

Goddamn it, do not hate on Megaman Legends. That game was awesome, and probably the best of all the PSX era Megaman games.

Si Civa

02-13-2010, 08:57 AM

My biggest gaming shame is that I've never been able to beat Sigma's final form in Megaman X.

Edit:// Fuck you guys, because of you I'm playing Megaman X 2 while listenning Finnish fusion jazz. Damn you all!

P-Sleazy

02-13-2010, 09:41 AM

I'm on the MMX is the best game side too. I fucking love that game. I still have the SNES cartridge and everything! Then I bought it AGAIN on the Gamecube MMX-6 compilation. And yes, the game can be rediculously easy if you know what order to take the bosses on (My preferred "easy" order- Chill, Storm, Sting, Flame, Spark, Armored, Boomer, and finally Launch which allows me to beat the game in one hour flat on a speed-run). But if you were to say reverse the order and start with Launch Octopus and do Chill Penguin last, you're in for quite a fight.

ziratha

02-13-2010, 09:56 AM

Now this is a topic worth posting in.

I personally prefer megaman 2 as I think it was the perfect gaming experience. However I say X is a close second. I am very fond of going through these using no special weapons at all (except to pick up upgrades).

Oh, and to whomever said it, in megaman 1, you can't miss the secret weapon. If you accidentally beat elec man first, you can reenter stages to get the weapon after you kill gutsman.

Finally may I propose a toast to whomever put the kabosh on legends 3 (raises glass): may you be devoured by wolves slowly!

Whomper

02-13-2010, 10:42 AM

WARNING: No spoiler tag was used in this post. If you haven't played X through X3, go die in a fire (after playing them).

If I had to pick a favorite point, I'd probably choose the SNES X games. Mega Man X is what it is; the awesome introduction to Rock's future counterpart. To me, X2 was ridiculously easy compared to X; that battle with a digitally rendered Sigma was just weak when you consider the epic battles before it. X3 would be my favorite of the three, just because of the sheer amount of power-ups and game twists. Did you beat Bit, Byte and Vile? Make sure they blow up real good! Armor/Weapon/Helmet/Boots upgrade not good enough for you? Get a chip to boost yourself further! "That's not enough"? Don't want to settle for one chip? Get the gold version that gives you all four in one during the first Sigma Stage! "That's still not enough" you say? Well then take Zero's Saber after he gets blown up by a bug!

If only they had added more spikes to X. Maybe some turbo fans, too.

Kerensky287

02-13-2010, 01:20 PM

My biggest gaming shame is that I've never been able to beat Sigma's final form in Megaman X.

You SHOULD feel ashamed, I beat him on my first try last night. The guy's not even that hard, just tedious. I mean he has what, 4 attacks? And all but 1 can be countered. Too bad he's basically only vulnerable to a charged megablaster, unless I missed something.

Heading on to MMX2 soon.

MuMu

02-13-2010, 01:28 PM

You SHOULD feel ashamed, I beat him on my first try last night. The guy's not even that hard, just tedious. I mean he has what, 4 attacks? And all but 1 can be countered. Too bad he's basically only vulnerable to a charged megablaster, unless I missed something.

Heading on to MMX2 soon.

Also could be damaged with Armadillo's weapon.

P-Sleazy

02-13-2010, 01:29 PM

You SHOULD feel ashamed, I beat him on my first try last night. The guy's not even that hard, just tedious. I mean he has what, 4 attacks? And all but 1 can be countered. Too bad he's basically only vulnerable to a charged megablaster, unless I missed something.

You should try the Rolling Shield. ;)

EDIT: Aww noooo! Ninja'd!

Well, I'll also say that there's some pretty nifty secrets to screwing bosses over in X. I especially enjoy using a Charged Cutter on Launch Octopus.

bluestarultor

02-13-2010, 01:42 PM

My only copy of Legends never worked (second hand from a friend of my dad's, dad lives in Arizona), but Legends 2 seemed nice enough. Didn't play much of it, but it plays a lot like The Misadventures of Tron Bonne, which I adore.

The one thing I could have strangled someone for, though was:

Megs: "Hey, Roll, we're going to need some money to fix the ship, so, like, gimme all my sweet stuff so I can rampage."
Roll: "Oh, man, I know exactly what you mean! That stuff was pretty sweet!"
Megs: "Okay, hand it- wait, was?"
Roll: "Oh, yeah, I totally pawned it! http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt148/fifthfiend/emoticons/awesome.gif"

It's not so much that she didn't even so much as keep a helmet or something as much as the way it came off. I wanted to reach through the screen and throttle her. And I didn't even PLAY the first game.

Edit: I should state that most of the rest of my experience was a week with MM6, which, yeah, fuck Tomahawk Man, but for that matter, fuck the level design in a few places, too, Mega Man Xtreme 1 and 2 on the GBC, Mega Man X4-6 (of which I only really bothered with 4, but 6 was okay, oddly didn't touch 5 much), MM9, and a full run-through of the original series through 8 by a professional-level gamer, complete with secrets.

MM9 is great, though, so I'm looking forward to 10. Especially for the easy mode because I suck. XD

Edit Edit: Or, on reflection, it's not the platforming I suck at so much as the boss battles, so maybe the help easy mode gives won't benefit me. :sweatdrop

Donomni

02-13-2010, 02:32 PM

It's not so much that she didn't even so much as keep a helmet or something as much as the way it came off. I wanted to reach through the screen and throttle her. And I didn't even PLAY the first game.

Trust me, it hurt more when you actually played through MML1.

Anywho, obligatory "Megaman Legends is the best game that needs a fucking sequel" post.

Oh, yes, relevant to this thread. (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3177931)

Capcom outlined release dates for Mega Man 10 on its blog. And yes, we mean release dates, as the company has decided to stagger the game's release throughout the month of March. First will be WiiWare on March 1, followed by the PlayStation Network release on March 11, and finally Xbox Live Arcade will get its version on March 31. All three will be roughly ten bucks -- or 1,000 Wii Points, $9.99, and 800 Microsoft Points to be technical.

Ugh, it must suck being a 360 owner, I guess. :gonk:

PhoenixFlame

02-13-2010, 03:47 PM

Kyanbu The Legend

02-13-2010, 04:01 PM

I remember spending hours getting the shining laser in Megaman Legends. Oh, the memories. I nearly gouged out my eyes from the repetitive mastery of the skating minigames.

It was worth it, though. Poor final boss lasted all of three seconds.

Good god I love that weapon. Though I have it in MML2 I still can't beat the final boss. And powering it up is a real bitch. Ah well, I'll just run around and beat shit to death with my beam saber. yeah... mmm 3 combo beam saber. *drools*

Megaman juno in MML was sad though. I didn't even NEED a special weapon. Heck the rever bots guarding the place were more tougher then him.

Kerensky287

02-13-2010, 08:49 PM

Juno was hard until I started circle strafing. Dude(?) doesn't know how to lead his(?) attacks.

Great Cartoonist

02-13-2010, 09:42 PM

I'm still wondering if they're going to have a series that comes chronologically after MML.
What could possibly be next after essentially recreating humanity with the power of SCIENCE?

Donomni

02-13-2010, 10:37 PM

Turn them into monkey-bots.

Gogo Megaman Data!

Green Spanner

02-14-2010, 08:04 AM

I played the first Megaman a few months ago.

GARGHLE!

That is all.

Seriously, goddamn Yellow Devil...

Pip Boy

02-14-2010, 11:04 AM

I have no idea what you guys are talking about. There are no megaman games after number 7 or X3.

MuMu

02-14-2010, 05:44 PM

Thread made me replay some stuff

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3198/damnclosedmyeyes.jpg (http://img341.imageshack.us/i/damnclosedmyeyes.jpg/)

Twelve years later and I still remember where all armor parts are, and some health buff stuff. Never got the 'Hadoken' though...

Also, know who's a dick? Kuwanger. You need HIS weapon to get the health boost in HIS stage. Goddamit.

Token

02-14-2010, 06:12 PM

JUMP JUMP. SLIDE SLIDE.

Julford Hajime

02-14-2010, 06:14 PM

Also, know who's a dick? Kuwanger. You need HIS weapon to get the health boost in HIS stage. Goddamit.
If you got the arm upgrade you could use a fully powered Ice weapon to make a sled, then jump off the sled to get the heart tank >.>

Ryong

02-14-2010, 07:57 PM

and nobody can decide what his third weapon is through the entire series. Is it a shield? A rod? A chain? Nobody knows!

It actually goes rod, chain, dual-energy batons and then...Knuckle? Shit I can't remember after Z3.

I personally played the hell out of X4, X6 and the first three MMZ games and like those a lot. I don't like the original MM series because I'm terrible and they're too hard. And battle network is incredibly repetitive ugh.

Magus

02-15-2010, 12:35 AM

I like Mega Man 3 the best of the original games, though that's probably because it was the first one I played.

I've actually been trying to beat all of them on this Mega Man Anniversary disc I have. Currently on Mega Man 4. What was up with Mega Man 4 being hard as hell? Like this annoying Ring Man stage with the disappearing rainbow bridges, or like...all the other stages as well! Those games seemed easier back when. I'm probably getting old or something.

Oh, but actually, Mega Man 1 is worse just because of those platforms in the Guts Man stage. Sheesh. What were they thinking when they came up with those freaking things? Argh.

Anyway I'll just go with 2 and 3 being the best because they are eminently playable and classic and so forth. Oh, and Mega Man X, I mean, it's Mega Man X. It's totally XTREME and stuff. Plus it actually had an attempt at a plotline between Zero and Vile and Sigma and X and so on...

Green Spanner

02-15-2010, 04:53 AM

Oh, but actually, Mega Man 1 is worse just because of those platforms in the Guts Man stage. Sheesh. What were they thinking when they came up with those freaking things? Argh.

OH GOD THE PLATFORMS!

You can really tell the first game was made in a time when the games themselves were the hardest enemies the player would fight.

Token

02-15-2010, 06:30 AM

Guts Man's stage gives you trouble? Ice Man still makes me cry myself to sleep.

Green Spanner

02-15-2010, 06:34 AM

Guts Man's stage gives you trouble? Ice Man still makes me cry myself to sleep.

OH GOD THE DISAPPEARING PLATFORMS!

Odjn

02-15-2010, 06:49 AM

If Legend's dash had been like X's dash I would have loved it best, but X wins out.

Zero games are because X got tired of owning everyone.

Pip Boy

02-15-2010, 10:59 AM

Oh god. My brother went and picked up one of those really new MMZ games that don't actually have zero in them.

Lets just say they tried to throw in a plot. This can only end in pain and tears.

Magus

02-15-2010, 01:54 PM

They bear little resemblance to either MMX or MMZ, since they star like, kids who find robot attachments that turn into robot suits resembling X or Zero. The suits MIGHT be sentient forms of X and Zero or something but other than that the plot is different.

I mean, the gameplay is probably pretty similar, of course, though I have yet to see one of those games get over like a 6 out of 10 or something...I think Capcom needs to rethink their Mega Man strategy and reboot the whole thing or something, especially since the games people are most excited about are quasi-sequels that play like games from twenty years ago.

Mirai Gen

02-15-2010, 01:58 PM

I think Capcom needs to rethink their Mega Man strategy and reboot the whole thing or something, especially since the games people are most excited about are quasi-sequels that play like games from twenty years ago.

This, and hopefully start with Mega Man X.

Whatever happened to straight-up Good Robots vs Evil Robots war? That's the way it should have been, dammit, and lord do I miss the style of Mega Man X's visual design.

Great Cartoonist

02-15-2010, 02:15 PM

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Mirai Gen

02-15-2010, 02:16 PM

Part of my love of old games is due to speedruns, I think. It's wonderous seeing people (or computers) beat Ocarina of Time in two hours.

Si Civa

02-15-2010, 02:40 PM

I went little bit back with this thread and you know what?

Plus if you fight them out of order the game gets tougher (Flame Mammoth without beating Chill Penguin turns half the stage into instant-death).

I still don't get why they didn't continue doing this. I loved how the stages could be affected, it was one of those tiny things what made me like Megaman X more than many other games.

And you know what's challenging? Storm Eagle without dash power-up.

Magus

02-15-2010, 06:45 PM

MuMu

02-15-2010, 06:50 PM

Eagle's Airship crashes onto Eletricguy's base. I never knew about Octopus and Chameleon's though, always did aquatic stage last. Friggin' draining attack creeps and annoys the shit out of me.

bluestarultor

02-15-2010, 06:55 PM

I don't remember it being much more than Chill Penguin affects Flame Mammoth's stage and then Launch Octopus affects Sting Chameleon's stage. Does anybody know of any other effects that could be achieved? I think they missed out on a cool idea if that's all the farther it went as far as actually changing the environment. Obviously different power-ups made different stages play differently...

You know what was another good MMX game despite someone else complaining about the load times? Mega Man X4. I loved that game because you could play as Zero for the entire game and it was totally different from playing through it with X. They really put some thought into having two different characters.

Too bad it had voice acting and an attempt at a plot. :(

Hey, screw you, the plot in X-4 is what made me look into the rest of the series!

Well, seriously, anyway. I had the GBC Mega Man Xtreme before that. And Zero's voice was actually pretty appropriate, even if Megs' was just held over from the "boy robot" days of the franchise as a whole. And even that was somewhat forgivable. The only thing that really ever bugged me were the terrible British accents that were thrown in on occasion.

Man, though, I really felt for Zero in X-4, because it showed just how fucked up the whole situation and the entire world was because of having an arbitrary system in place. And it totally stuck and left a mark on the rest of the series.

Kyanbu The Legend

02-15-2010, 06:59 PM

I don't remember it being much more than Chill Penguin affects Flame Mammoth's stage and then Launch Octopus affects Sting Chameleon's stage. Does anybody know of any other effects that could be achieved? I think they missed out on a cool idea if that's all the farther it went as far as actually changing the environment. Obviously different power-ups made different stages play differently...

You know what was another good MMX game despite someone else complaining about the load times? Mega Man X4. I loved that game because you could play as Zero for the entire game and it was totally different from playing through it with X. They really put some thought into having two different characters.

Too bad it had voice acting and an attempt at a plot. :(

Mega Man X7 is easily the worst game ever because it totally ruined that series in ways that nothing else ever did. That game is god awful and unplayable.

X8 how ever was a step in the right direction. It wasn't amazing, but it wasn't terribly bad either. Dialog wasn't all that good though. Game play was fun. With some of the stages actually being a challenge. (some were out right nintenhard but only the first through if your not expecting it to be that hard.)

Magus

02-15-2010, 07:11 PM

Kyanbu The Legend

02-15-2010, 07:19 PM

That's the thing, like X8 was probably a lot better since it was 2D again but X7 just ruined it for me completely. Between the horrid voice acting, horrible game play, horrible characters...it was just so horrible. Of course I didn't buy X8. I might some day though, but most reviews seemed pretty lukewarm about it.

A lot of it is aimed at the dialog, character designs, axl, Zero's hair, Axl, and ah... yeah Axl.

He wasn't even that bad this time around though. Decent VA, dialog was fun, he is actually fun to use this time around since they made him unique by giving faster speed, better copy game play, and continuous rapid fire, plus he gets different guns just Zero gets different weapons. And a crowning moment of awesome in the form of a shut up Hannibal jester near the end that rescues his character from the scrapheap.

He's just hated. lol

Julford Hajime

02-15-2010, 08:16 PM

And Zero's voice was actually pretty appropriate
Hahaha NO. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LISmPmdUhYA&feature=related) (Spoilers for MMX4, but seriously it's MMX plot)And yes, I did try to find just the "What am I fighting fooooooooooor" line, but Youtube hates me.

Kyanbu The Legend

02-15-2010, 08:30 PM

Hahaha NO. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LISmPmdUhYA&feature=related) (Spoilers for MMX4, but seriously it's MMX plot)And yes, I did try to find just the "What am I fighting fooooooooooor" line, but Youtube hates me.

Try searching under Megaman X4 cut scenes. It's there, along with a redub of that scene done by the guy that voices Zero in X8.

bluestarultor

02-15-2010, 08:48 PM

Hahaha NO. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LISmPmdUhYA&feature=related) (Spoilers for MMX4, but seriously it's MMX plot)And yes, I did try to find just the "What am I fighting fooooooooooor" line, but Youtube hates me.

Hmmm...

Okay, you got me. I remembered him being a little more Yuri Lowenthal-esque than that and the dub being not quite as awful. The forced British accent on Iris is still as bad as ever, though. Memory fades, I guess. *shrug*

Edit:

Try searching under Megaman X4 cut scenes. It's there, along with a redub of that scene done by the guy that voices Zero in X8.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf-JE2FKD-k&NR=1

It's an improvement, but I think I like the idea of a higher, squeakier voice, but then I always kind of thought of Zero as being sort of the angry adolescent type that's really just aged a bit beyond his years due to circumstance. Like seriously, imagine the scene as performed by Tenchi of Tenchi Muyo! and tell me it doesn't turn out pretty well.

Edit: Come to think of it, X-4 probably influenced my view on his age a bit just by merit of the dub. Huh.

Jagos

02-15-2010, 11:17 PM

Guys... Capcom. Plot. Don't always go together.

Like Charlie staying alive past one encounter of M. Bison.

Though BoF was good. And the first few Mega Man games were the best, I thought 4 was a little much. They should have stopped at 3.

DarkDrgon

02-15-2010, 11:21 PM

Though BoF was the greatest damn RPG made by anyone not connected to Squarenix.

sorry... Im a fanboy.

Whomper

02-15-2010, 11:48 PM

You know what was another good MMX game despite someone else complaining about the load times? Mega Man X4. I loved that game...That person was me. However, it wasn't just the load times that irked me! Another point, which you so brilliantly made for me, was this:...because you could play as Zero for the entire game and it was totally different from playing through it with X. They really put some thought into having two different characters.That's like saying Super Mario Bros. 2 was a great game since they put some thought into having four different characters.

Super Mario Bros. 2 wasn't Super Mario Bros. 2!!! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yume_K%C5%8Dj%C5%8D:_Doki_Doki_Panic)

Once the game shifted to removing Mega Man X from Mega Man X, it lost a little bit of that magic. The poor voice acting and laughable attempt at a plotline took the focus off of what made the X games great, but switching to Zero made the game feel less like Mega Man X and more like Street Fighter II.

Great Cartoonist

02-15-2010, 11:56 PM

Fun fact: Zero was originally supposed to be X. However, those dastardly executives would have none of that and forced Inafune to shoehorn in a more Megaman-ish character.

Kyanbu The Legend

02-16-2010, 12:08 AM

Fun fact: Zero was originally supposed to be X. However, those dastardly executives would have none of that and forced Inafune to shoehorn in a more Megaman-ish character.

But Inafune pulled out some of his badass skills and turned Zero (a suppose to be one off character) into a Darkhorse that was more badass then the new Megaman X ever was. Even the execs fell in love with him. (probably touched them selves too).

And by MMZ, Zero was treated as a Megaman expy. Some official data bases even have Zero listed as "Megaman Zero".

Jagos

02-16-2010, 12:09 AM

sorry... Im a fanboy.

5 shouldn't have been made. 3 damn near made me cry. 4 was alright. If anyone says anything bad about 2, I rip out their spleen, cook it in liver juice, marinate, and serve it faster than they can order a pizza. One was trying to find a groove.

(Yeah, I am too...)

Kyanbu The Legend

02-16-2010, 12:12 AM

Anyone who bashes MMSF 3 or the MMBN series will be shot... dead.

Yeah I'm a Fanboy when it comes to the MMBN franchise (which includes Starforce).

bluestarultor

02-16-2010, 12:14 AM

That person was me. However, it wasn't just the load times that irked me! Another point, which you so brilliantly made for me, was this:That's like saying Super Mario Bros. 2 was a great game since they put some thought into having four different characters.

Super Mario Bros. 2 wasn't Super Mario Bros. 2!!! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yume_K%C5%8Dj%C5%8D:_Doki_Doki_Panic)

Once the game shifted to removing Mega Man X from Mega Man X, it lost a little bit of that magic. The poor voice acting and laughable attempt at a plotline took the focus off of what made the X games great, but switching to Zero made the game feel less like Mega Man X and more like Street Fighter II.

Man, I can get the whole not liking the plot or voice acting stuff, but Zero being playable as a problem?

rep--; //for poor taste

Kerensky287

02-16-2010, 12:20 AM

Yeah, Zero was badass even before my friends and I discovered he was a dude.

...Honestly though, long, flowy hair? Bulbous protrusions on each side of the chest? Zero was more than a little androgynous in the first few games. Luckily he seems a little more obviously male in the MMZ series but that doesn't say much.

Kyanbu The Legend

02-16-2010, 12:25 AM

bluestarultor

02-16-2010, 12:53 AM

I always kinda wondered why everyone in X was covered in crystals. I came to the conclusion that it probably was for solar power or something, so Zero having more than X explains why he hits harder. In my head only. XD

Kyanbu The Legend

02-16-2010, 01:10 AM

EVILNess

02-16-2010, 01:52 AM

Man, I just sat down and beat Megaman X because of this thread. I hope you are all happy.

Kerensky287

02-16-2010, 01:54 AM

And so it comes full circle. I sat down and created this thread because of Megaman X.

Regulus Tera

02-16-2010, 04:09 AM

sorry... Im a fanboy.

You seem to imply that Square Enix makes the best damn JRPGs ever. Part of me wants to agree. At the same time, part of me wants to kick you in the nuts.

So I'm gonna go with "I suppose, sometimes, such a statement can be true".

Jagos

02-16-2010, 08:39 AM

You seem to imply that Square Enix makes the best damn JRPGs ever. Part of me wants to agree. At the same time, part of me wants to kick you in the nuts.

So I'm gonna go with "I suppose, sometimes, such a statement can be true".

*smacks forehead*

Square and Capcom are far, FAR away from each other...

Especially when you're looking at his name and remember his first avatar.

Regulus Tera

02-16-2010, 09:27 AM

What I'm trying to say is that Square Enix makes both the best and worst RPGs in the industry.

Yeah, I think that's a good way to put it.

EVILNess

02-16-2010, 09:55 AM

This is kinda off topic, but Capcom needs to get their shit together and make another Breath of Fire game.

Or more innovative Megaman games like the first few Battle Network games, which were pretty good. (HAH! I twisted it around to be on topic!)

Julford Hajime

02-16-2010, 03:51 PM

So I just got around to playing MMX again myself. Decided I would make things tougher than I normally do, and will do the stages in a harder order (Flame Mammoth before he gets iced over, Spark Mandrill before Storm Eagle crashes, etc). Also, no dashing. I assigned the dash command to the select button, as I don't think I NEED it to beat the game, though I may use it if a jump proves to be impossible otherwise

Already beat Storm Eagle/Flame Mammoth. SE was a bitch, as if he chooses to flap his wings twice in a row, you die. Otherwise, easy fight. Only lost once >.>

Magus

02-16-2010, 05:56 PM

It seems like the game would have to be beatable without the dash, since you can bypass it, but you probably won't be able to get all the power-ups like energy increases and such, which will make it even more difficult. Possibly even XTREME.

I mean, they just pretty much give you the dash instead of making you search for it which seems to imply they meant it to be used pretty much regardless of your ability to find any of the other pieces of armor, because it's so useful/important.

Julford Hajime

02-16-2010, 06:27 PM

Fun Fact: The dash was originally supposed to be usable from the start. However, they decided to make it an upgrade, to A) show off the upgrade system, and B) not surprise older Mega Man series fans with both dashing AND wall cling. Apparently TWO new abilities was too much >.>

Also, unless you can glitch past it, the dash isn't skippable. The capsule is in the middle of a room with a low ceiling, and you can't climb on top of it. I figure dash isn't needed for any of the eight masters (As you could do Chill Penguin last), but some jumps in Sigma's place might be impossible.

I mean, I know there are passwords that give you access to Sigma without dash boots; one of my save files on the MMX collection is all energy tanks, heart tanks, and upgrades except dash boots. But besides those (I imagine there is also a "Chill Penguin beaten, nothing else done, no dash boots", but I have yet to see it), beating the game without the boots themselves is impossible.

Fun Fact 2: X dashes at the end of the credits. If you don't have the dash boots, though, his feet just disappear. Legless floating X with all armors looks AWESOME.

ziratha

02-16-2010, 07:00 PM

Even if you could get past chill penguin stage, zero would give it to you when he dies.

Lost in Time

02-16-2010, 07:13 PM

Zero gives you dash boots? I thought he only gave you the improved Blaster?

Mirai Gen

02-19-2010, 12:29 AM

The banner ads are mistaken - that is clearly Mega Man 7's sprites.

Regulus Tera

03-01-2010, 01:31 PM

Mega Man 10 is up on Wiiware right now.

Donomni

03-01-2010, 02:31 PM

My disk drive for my Wii is borked, but everything else about my Wii is fine.

Taking on Sheep Man first.

Julford Hajime

03-01-2010, 02:48 PM

Dammit, I'm away from home this week T.T

I'll probably get to play this (And 9!) this weekend, though >.>

DarkDrgon

03-01-2010, 04:45 PM

You seem to imply that Square Enix makes the best damn JRPGs ever. Part of me wants to agree. At the same time, part of me wants to kick you in the nuts.

So I'm gonna go with "I suppose, sometimes, such a statement can be true".

Chrono Trigger and Super Mario RPG are the only JRPGs that edge out over breath of fire 2

This is kinda off topic, but Capcom needs to get their shit together and make another Breath of Fire game.

Or more innovative Megaman games like the first few Battle Network games, which were pretty good. (HAH! I twisted it around to be on topic!)

As long as its more traditional, less Dragon Quarter. its the only one I couldnt bring myself to finish

Magus

03-01-2010, 06:36 PM

Dragon Quarter had a great battle system but the saving system and inability to level was annoying as heck. The battle system was amazing, though, they need to repeat that whole thing.

Really, if you're going to make it so you can't level (not only due to restrictions on saving but the whole death counter thing), don't even put levels in it, let me beat each battle with the strategic system you created and just auto-level my characters every new area/dungeon. Basically they didn't go far enough in making it non-traditional.

Donomni

03-01-2010, 09:19 PM

Just beat the game with Megaman on Normal. Seems easier than 9.

There's another gag near the end of the game like 9's fifteen-billion "defeated Wily" screens.

The bosses and whose weapon owns them, for the pansies:

Strike Man's beats Sheep Man.
Sheep Man's beats Pump Man.
Pump Man's beats Solar Man.
Solar Man's beats Chill Man.
Chill Man's beats Nitro Man.
Nitro Man's beats Commando Man.
Commando Man's beats Blade Man.
Blade Man's beats Sheep Man.
There MIGHT be a different weakness for Wily's(OMG HES BEHIND IT ALL) bosses, but I was able to spam Blade Man's weapon at close range for quick kills.
Wily's first form is weak to Solar Man's weapon, while the second is weak to Pump Man's. His final form is weak to Chill Man's.

Just starting a Protoman run. He gets an item shop here, too.

Bells

03-01-2010, 10:27 PM

DLC character is Bass / forte !!

Kyanbu The Legend

03-01-2010, 10:35 PM

DLC character is Bass / forte !!

oh god yes, YES!!!!!!!!

I NEED A WII/360/PS3 NOW!!!!

Donomni

03-01-2010, 10:58 PM

You have a month, actually. The DLC hits April 5th.

Part of it, anyways.

bluestarultor

03-02-2010, 12:01 AM

DLC character is Bass / forte !!

You know, I just kind of noticed that the entire X series' design is kind of based off of Bass'. What with the jewels all over the place and all.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's now slightly disappointing he doesn't make an appearance in it.

Julford Hajime

03-07-2010, 10:39 PM

Kyanbu The Legend

03-07-2010, 10:55 PM

HOLY SHIT MEGAMAN 9 IS AWESOME.

...

Yeah, I'm only REALLY late for that. Like, more than a year. I just bought/downloaded it earlier today, and beat it while the game laughed at my pitiful attempts to not die. Only reason I beat the final boss (Wily) was because I had two E tanks and the "Take half damage" item to use on the fight.

I'll be playing some of 10 tonight, maybe beat a boss or two tonight, then I'll try and finish it some time this week (I'm rather busy during the week, and setting aside any time for the Wii is tough)
I'm starting to wonder if putting a spoiler tag on any Megaman Game final boss name that isn't a MMBN, MMSF, MMZ, MML, or MMZX game is even worth it considering how the final boss of MM is almost always Wily and the Final boss of MMX is almost always Sigma except for X8 which shockingly hints that Sigma really is gone for good.

DarkDrgon

03-07-2010, 11:12 PM

I just started a run through of X5, and got the Falcon armor for the first time... I didn't notice what I was missing. Still can't beat that black blob thing in the first non-maverick stage though

Whomper

03-08-2010, 04:14 AM

I'm starting to wonder if putting a spoiler tag on any Megaman Game final boss name that isn't a MMBN, MMSF, MMZ, MML, or MMZX game is even worth it considering how the final boss of MM is almost always Wily and the Final boss of MMX is almost always Sigma except for X8 which shockingly hints that Sigma really is gone for good.(Upcoming super spoiler is related to the X series)

Well, given that Zero is the source of the Sigma Virus, I doubt that Sigma is gone for good.

Julford Hajime

03-08-2010, 02:14 PM

(Upcoming super spoiler is related to the X series)

Well, given that Zero is the source of the Sigma Virus, I doubt that Sigma is gone for good.

OMG SPOILERS FOR MMX SERIES!

I thought Zero spread the original virus, but after getting his ass handed to him (See: X4 cutscene with Sigma), he more or less was free of the virus while Sigma went on to spread the virus further. I always thought that during the fight it was something more like a specific Wily Virus (Roboenza?), and after it reached Sigma it changed and became the Sigma Virus. Or something. The MM/MMX series in general has always been incredibly vague on the whole matter >.>

Then again, I think Zero gets the Wily Virus again if you screw up both missions in X5, so maybe he isn't as immune as I'm thinking >.>

As for newer, MM10 related things...

BLOCK DEVIL CAN GO FUCK HIMSELF. HARD.

Wily Stage 1 was awesome and I'll totally admit to squeeling on the first mid-boss, though.

Just beat the game with MM on Normal, gonna try with Protoman on Hard later today. I haven't even tried Easy yet, probably won't any time soon.

Magus

03-08-2010, 02:35 PM

Maverickism being caused by a virus was stupid, anyway. Talk about removing the Terminator vibe from the whole thing. I prefer my villains to be purposefully destroying humanity because they have free will, not being turned "insane" by a virus.

Let's just pretend that there is no virus and that it works like in Terminator. Although I suppose by that dint X shouldn't have been able to go back to the future at the end of that Megaman cartoon...what? That cartoon was rad.

Julford Hajime

03-08-2010, 02:49 PM

Green Spanner

03-08-2010, 03:01 PM

[Insert GUTSMANS ASS here]

http://i2.bebo.com/045b/13/mediuml/2007/12/22/15/4534531206a6430498552ml.jpg

http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/6lNX-IZpDFY/default.jpg

Donomni

03-08-2010, 04:21 PM

Just beat the game with MM on Normal, gonna try with Protoman on Hard later today. I haven't even tried Easy yet, probably won't any time soon.

HOLY SHIT DON'T DO PROTOMAN ON HARD.

Seriously, you'd be surprised how fucking frustrating taking double damage is for Megaman 10.

I still haven't beaten the game with Protoman on Normal. :gonk:

Kyanbu The Legend

03-08-2010, 04:41 PM

Actually, Magma Dragoon in X4 makes it pretty clear that he decided to turn traitor, as opposed to just being mindless or controlled. The same is true for pretty much every boss in that one, actually... Web Spider, Iris, the Colonel and the General all express concern with being labeled mavericks.

[Insert GUTSMANS ASS here]

Not just X4 but nearly all of the MMX games after that including X8 which featured Bosses that were immune to the virus (which also pointed out Axl being immune to it as well. He can turn into sigma and not go nuts).