On the red corner: Galaxy 2 trailer; on the blue corner: Sonic 4

[Regulus Tera]

Galaxy 2 trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqw4LP2nL64

Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Episode 1 footage (watch at your own risk):

Splash Hill (2,3, Boss)

Splash Hill 2 (http://tinypic.com/m/9qemat/4)
Splash Hill 3 (http://tinypic.com/m/9qemf5/4)
Splash Hill Boss (http://tinypic.com/m/9qem1k/4)

Lost Labyrinth (1,2,3, Boss)

Lab 1 (http://tinypic.com/m/9qemmc/4)
Lab 2 (http://tinypic.com/m/9qemqd/4)
Lab 3 (http://tinypic.com/m/9qemgg/4)
Lab Boss (http://tinypic.com/m/9qemix/4)

[Kim]

I was going to bitch about the first one ripping off Sonic 1 too hard, but then it mixed it up... a little. Still ripping off Sonic 1 too hard, but at least it's not 100% the same. Prettier, too.

AAAAAAAGH just watched the second boss fight.

My excitement has dipped into the red.

[Viridis]

Piloting a Mario-head planet (okay, it's too tiny to call it this but every spit of rock in these games is called a planet) around the galaxy. That is something. Also: hey, Yoshi!

[Regulus Tera]

Lost Labyrinth 2 is the stuff of nightmares.

[Kim]

Lost Labyrinth 2 is the stuff of nightmares.

*watches*

That's it... I quit Sonic. I'm done. No more. Watching that made me physically ill.

[Loyal]

Galaxy: I do hope that ball-star thing is easier to pilot this time around.

I was going to bitch about the first one ripping off Sonic 1 too hard, but then it mixed it up... a little. Still ripping off Sonic 1 too hard, but at least it's not 100% the same. Prettier, too.Not seeing the problem here?

Also, the bosses have pretty much always been more or less like that.

[Kim]

Not seeing the problem here?

Because generally when I'm excited for a new game, it has to be a new game. The mine cart thing is new... but pure shit.

Nik doesn't think these vids are real. I do. I guess we'll have found out in a couple days.

[Loyal]

I can understand that, but this is Sonic after all. People have been clamoring for it to return to its roots for ... well, quite awhile, and now that they appear to be doing exactly that, there are complaints about how it's too similar?

Am I out of line in asking for a little consistency?

[Kim]

When I clamor for a Sonic game to return to its roots, I mean I want it to be 2D again. I do not mean "The first boss of the game should be the exact same as the first boss of the first game." There's a noticeable difference. If I wanted to play Sonic 1, I've got Sonic 1 right here. I can play it whenever I want.

EDIT: Seeing the other stuff, the game is obviously more than just a remake, but that mine cart thing made me nauseous, and not in the "this is so bad I'm gonna be sick" way, but the "argh this is worse than a five hour car drive" way. No game has ever done that to me before.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Still it's pretty nice Sonic 1 remake, I'll give it that.

and most of the new Sonic fans won't even notice that at all till some one points it out.

I'm going to say that each episode is like a remake of that game. (ep 1 is sonic 1, ep 2 is sonic 2, ect) with the last ep being entirely new stages. Which makes me won't to buy but not that badly.

~But~ Yeah sonic is now officially ruined forever. It will never sell well again regardless of how good it's newer games might be.

R.I.P Sonic The hedgehog
1989 - 2010

Looks like Mario really is the best of the 2 since he's still going to be kicking around a little longer.

[Ryong]

Still it's pretty nice Sonic 1 remake, I'll give it that.

and most of the new Sonic fans won't even notice that at all till some one points it out.

I'm going to say that each episode is like a remake of that game. (ep 1 is sonic 1, ep 2 is sonic 2, ect) with the last ep being entirely new stages. Which makes me won't to buy but not that badly.

~But~ Yeah sonic is now officially ruined forever. It will never sell well again regardless of how good it's newer games might be.

R.I.P Sonic The hedgehog
1989 - 2010

Looks like Mario really is the best of the 2 since he's still going to be kicking around a little longer.

Mario's community got torn a bit with Super Mario Galaxy because of some stuff - ice flowers, bee powerup - but that part is too small to matter. Sonic's community has reduced to "it's the same so it sucks" and "it's different so it sucks" for the last five years at least.

I never did play Sonic 1 a lot, but I'm pretty sure some of the stuff in that first stage was from Sonic 2, with some random Sonic 3 enemies mixed in, plus lots of new stuff. While the boss of the first stage was the same, being a throwback to the older games, he at least changes - although a bit too late to make a noticeable change in the fight, but eh.

Having never played any of the 3D games but Adventure, I only have one gripe with the Sonic series currently: lots of paths, 90% of them being bottomless pits which just screw you. I didn't see any in these videos.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Mario's community got torn a bit with Super Mario Galaxy because of some stuff - ice flowers, bee powerup - but that part is too small to matter. Sonic's community has reduced to "it's the same so it sucks" and "it's different so it sucks" for the last five years at least.

I never did play Sonic 1 a lot, but I'm pretty sure some of the stuff in that first stage was from Sonic 2, with some random Sonic 3 enemies mixed in, plus lots of new stuff. While the boss of the first stage was the same, being a throwback to the older games, he at least changes - although a bit too late to make a noticeable change in the fight, but eh.

Having never played any of the 3D games but Adventure, I only have one gripe with the Sonic series currently: lots of paths, 90% of them being bottomless pits which just screw you. I didn't see any in these videos.

And that's why it won't sell well or at all. Sonic fans have pretty much pissed off Sega. They'll refuse to buy it and well bash it for being a clone. Were as Sega will either drop the blue blur or market him towards a new audience (most likely the younger fans). Which is sad because aside from it being too much like the old games, Sonic 4 is pretty damn good. (I give a 8.6/10 so far)

[BitVyper]

Smooth, 3D animation in 2D games always makes them feel a bit slow for me. That said, I like that they brought over the homing jump. That was one of the good things the 3D games introduced.

[Viridis]

Smooth, 3D animation in 2D games always makes them feel a bit slow for me..
Speaking of slow, was his run always that silly trot before he started to get going? That stands out as awkward.

[Loyal]

Well, it didn't look like he was sauntering, but it was pretty awkward back then too. Then again, he never ran up till now; he just had either a wheel-of-feet or an odd walking animation that didn't sync up with his movement speed.

[Solid Snake]

My God.

I didn't realize that Sonic Team's idea of a 2D Sonic game was...simply doing the original Sonic the Hedgehog all over again.
Was it too difficult to convey the message that we wanted the 2D Sonic mechanics, but an entirely new gaming experience? Y'know, throw in Knuckles and Tails and a few crazy plot twists, take the Sonic 2 trek of all kinds of crazy and unpredictable worlds to explore...

...*sigh*

Another note: Having listened to Sonic 4's OST...holy crap is the OST atrocious. I mean the remakes of the original themes are decent by default, but the themes for places like Splash Hill and Lost Labyrinth make me somehow feel like Sonic 4 really should be Sonic 2, as Sonic 2 and Sonic 3+K's OSTS were both far superior.

...Anyone remember Ice Cap? Lava Reef? Sky Sanctuary? Freakin' Chemical Plant?
...How do they all sound so much better?

[Mike McC]

When I clamor for a Sonic game to return to its roots, I mean I want it to be 2D again. I do not mean "The first boss of the game should be the exact same as the first boss of the first game." There's a noticeable difference. If I wanted to play Sonic 1, I've got Sonic 1 right here. I can play it whenever I want.To be fair, the premise of sonic was already starting to get a bit thin by the third game.

[01d55]

You know what guys I am going to go ahead and say that I am 100% cool with sonic 4 ripping the shit off of Sonic 1. I am only disappointed that they didn't realize Sonic 3 had better material to rip off.

I'm familiar enough with Sonic to know that the actual level maps are quite different despite the obviously derivative nature of the tilesets, which is the right way to go about pumping for nostalgia.

[ZAKtheGeek]

Freakin' Chemical Plant?
You've solved the mystery of what'll be in my head for the next while!

[akaSM]

That game doesn't look THAT bad, but the music and the minecart stage :gonk:, anyway, I don't think I'll be buying it, gotta get cavestory first , only 200 more wii points to go :D...also, I don't like the episodic nature of Sonic 4, It's hard enough for me to get some wii points for a single game :sweatdrop

[BitVyper]

...How do they all sound so much better?

Michael Jackson (for three of them, anyway).

[Regulus Tera]

NEW TRAILERS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qleVPr10PRw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_2uilWh7JE

OMG AT 2D

OMG AT CLOUD MARIO

- every power-up from Super Mario Galaxy will return
- Cloud Mario: Summon 3 clouds by shaking the Wiimote
- to get more clouds, you must pick up another cloud power-up
- Fluffy Bluff and Cloudy Court Galaxies feature the cloud suit
- levels feature blowing wind that will move your clouds
- clouds disappear after several seconds
- ground pound through clouds
- lose cloud suit if you touch water
- co-op called Co-Star mode
- player 2 uses Wiimote to shoot star bits, collect objects, help Mario jump higher, and hold enemies in place, kill/stun enemies by shaking Wiimote as you hold onto them, tickle NPCs
- Player 2 can use d-pad to send cheers and other messages through player 1's Wiimote speaker
- Hint TV: a quick video plays on TV screens in the game to show you how to complete an area
- Cosmic Guide: The Cosmic Witch (which resembles Rosalina in the trailer) takes over controls to play the game for you
- Cosmic Guide appears if you die a certain amount, or if you are stuck in a particular section for a long time
- if you use the Cosmic Guide, you'll get a bronze star at the end of the level, instead of the gold
- press the plus button to end Cosmic Guide control
- drums added to the music when you ride Yoshi
- uses the same graphical engine as Galaxy

[Regulus Tera]

I'm just gonna leave this here... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRHFkMmdBwQ)

Also Nintendo's been posting a lot of videos daily on their youtube channel. (http://www.youtube.com/user/Wii?blend=2&ob=1)

EDIT: LISTEN TO THIS

LISTEN TO THAT MOTHERFUCKING MUSIC (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/sb4j/dvd/dvd1.html)

[POS Industries]

Merged this Super Mario Galaxy 2 video thread you made with the new Super Mario Galaxy 2 video thread you just made.

[Regulus Tera]

wait since when are you a mod

[POS Industries]

I have no idea.

I'm scared.

[Regulus Tera]

I have no idea.

I'm scared.

Don't worry, I'm more afraid than you are.

[Krylo]

POS, like all of our moderators and administrators have always been mods, deep down inside. It is true that it is only recently that this seed of greatness, this flicker of destiny, has roared to life in a full grown flame of magnificence, but it has always been there.

[POS Industries]

Fantastic, thank you to PR Director Krylo for that illuminating explanation.

Now let's all get back to talking about SMG2 (not the long-awaited sequel to Sarah Michelle Gellar, mind you) and also I guess Sonic 4 before I have to ban a bitch.

[Bells]

POS, like all of our moderators and administrators have always been mods, deep down inside. It is true that it is only recently that this seed of greatness, this flicker of destiny, has roared to life in a full grown flame of magnificence, but it has always been there.

Ok, you just compared POS to Gundam Seed Destiny........ and i'm pretty sure you have no clue to that fact.
..i'll just state that it's not a great thing to be compared to.

Anyways....

I can't really say that this Sonic 4 business is bad, but i'm not overly excited about it either. It's Strange... with Megaman, Capcom went all the way back and people loved it, but with sonic... it's rage.

Sure... Apples and Oranges. But it's kinda weird looking at sonic and seeing it as simply... a hopeless franchise.

As for Galaxy 2... I don't know. Not a huge fan of "more of the same" sequels, but the first Galaxy WAS a lot of fun, so i can't blame Nintendo for not wanting to recreate the wheel when they already have a Jetpack...

[Magic_Marker]

POS, like all of our moderators and administrators have always been mods, deep down inside. It is true that it is only recently that this seed of greatness, this flicker of destiny, has roared to life in a full grown flame of magnificence, but it has always been there.

So what does it mean when you rise to admin then fall?

Climb

Climb

Climb to the top of the world.

And as you stand tall, you will see...

That when you fall...

You will fall from a height, most men will never reach.

[Regulus Tera]

Soundtrack From Heaven, Part II:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jehkuKV4O9M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzQ4ZcWa1II
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6OMq6Xx2W0