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E3
A List Of All The E3 Exhibitors. Wow. (http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/e3-2010-exhibitor-list-announced-664507?src=rss&attr=all)
This might've already happened, but it's talking about interesting stuff. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo06Qe_J7Oo)
Corporations
Sony's got a site set up. (http://www.sceainvites.com/)
Microsoft is doin' a lot of stuff. (http://www.windowsobserver.com/2010/05/09/e3-2010-microsoft-xbox-360-info-and-game-list/)
Games
Games To Watch, according to GameRadar. (http://www.gamesradar.com/f/e3-2010-games-to-watch-vanquish-preview/a-2010051214104524066)
Metroid Other M (http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=ah8I53vYr5E&feature=channel)
Silent Hill 8 (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/108/1082806p1.html)
Nintendo to unveil new Zelda (http://kotaku.com/5407642/nintendo-plans-surprising-zelda-showing-at-e3-2010)
Halo: Fall Of Reach (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4612393/halo_fall_of_reach_e3_2010_trailer/)
So according to here, (http://www.silenthillmemories.net/main/main_en.htm) the developers of Silent Hill 8 are not the same as Homecoming - Double Helix. I don't know if it's Climax, responsible for Origins and Shattered Memories, or someone else. (I don't want to get my hopes up and suggest Team Silent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_Silent).)
Konami ended last night's press event in San Francisco by showing a teaser trailer for a new Silent Hill game. It's unclear at the moment if this is a remake of an older title in the series, or a brand new chapter.
The video showed a blonde-haired man waking up on a public bench in a foggy city. The man looks around confusingly as hears footsteps by nearby creatures. The trailer ends with a quick shot of one of the creatures attacking the man before going black.
No platforms were announced in the trailer, but Konami promises to have more details at this year's E3 in June.
So there's that - I like tossing the idea of "remake" around, because an early SH title on a next gen system, say Silent Hill 2 on PS3, would be pretty awesome. Just sayin'.
EDIT New news! According to this, (http://www.relyonhorror.com/content/looking-silent-hill-6-teaser)
Q: Who is developing the game?
Developing the game this time around is Vatra Games, a relatively new, Czech-based developer, part of Kuju Entertainment. Vatra is also working on another title that a little bit more information can be found on, Rush 'N Attack: Ex-Patriot. Unfortunately since these are their first two titles, we can't look at other games in their repetoire to get a feeling for how Silent Hill 6 will be.
http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt202/tr_rivard/VatraGames.jpg (http://www.vatragames.com/)
As someone who wasn't satisfied with Shattered Memories, Origins or Homecoming, I'm hoping this "Vatra" can do things right.
phil_
05-19-2010, 05:24 PM
Speculating! But just on Nintendo's news conference, because that's the only one I ever watch!
We'll get to see a non-functional mockup of the 3DS which may have little resemblance to the finished product. Maybe we'll get a launch window.
There will be info on the next Zelda game, though it will probably be along the lines of "One will come out at some point in the future," set to an arrangement of the field theme.
They will talk about Other M, give no new information, and maybe show another trailer.
There will be a long segment about Wii Party with Reggie, what's her face, and two other people playing the ship balancing game because it uses Miis and every conference must include the Nintendo management's Miis.
The Vitality sensor will remain a mystery, but might show up on the floor.
And, throughout, there will be various posturing about sales and whatnot. WiiFit+ will come up.
Drownball-Champ
05-19-2010, 06:13 PM
"After going dark six years ago, 2010 will see a new dawn."
I joygasmed after hearing this. I knew Golden Sun DS was coming before he even said it. And now almost a year later and we have no new information. So I'm really hoping we get something at E3.
The 3DS, some new info on VersusXIII, and the reveal of Kingdom Hearts 3 are the only noteworthy things I expect out of E3 this year.
EDIT: Oh yeah new Zelda that'll be cool I guess.
Doc ock rokc
05-19-2010, 06:48 PM
I think Valve will release more information on Portal 2 and probably Launch the engie update. (if not before then)
possibly more information on the Force unleashed 2 and probably the Indy game that they never released.
More info on Spiderman Shattered crossovers.
I could go for some Zelda, KH, and Force Unleashed love this E3.
Also? WHEN THE HELL ARE THEY STARTING THE OLD REPUBLIC BETA? I wanna know that.
Azisien
05-19-2010, 07:23 PM
Wondering, hoping, thinking they might try to show Natal doing something actually interesting.
Julford Hajime
05-19-2010, 07:26 PM
Nintendo: I just want some info on them POKEYMANS. Some videos, pictures of new pokes, whatever. Just something >.> Zelda/Other M info would also be nice.
Man, I want to be excited about the prospect of a new KH, as I loved the first and liked KH2 and CoM, but honestly the series feels too far away from the original premise anymore to stay fun. I haven't even touched Numbery Days yet because of it >.>
Natal and 'something interesting' in the same sentence makes no logical sense whatsoever. Please try again.
Numbery Days
All I taste is the salt, and my hands get all sticky.
brb writin fanfics
Solid Snake
05-19-2010, 08:02 PM
I just sure as hell hope they don't announce the PS4 during the same year I finally ponied up the cash for my PS3.
Nah. I'm not expecting a PSQuad announcement for another two years. And even then, an announcement means a release is a year away at the soonest.
Solid Snake
05-19-2010, 08:07 PM
Honestly even a three-year window for new PS3 games would be somewhat disappointing.
Although really, what I'm actually deathly afraid of is that Atlus is going to announce Persona 5 and it won't be for the PS3. It'll be for the Wii or the PSP or even an X360 exclusive or something. That would make me shed tears.
I dunno what you're talking about. Persona 5 with waggletastic minigames for upping your social stats would be gold. But no I'm pretty sure it's confirmed to be for the PS3 whenever it gets officially announced.
Solid Snake
05-19-2010, 08:31 PM
I dunno what you're talking about. Persona 5 with waggletastic minigames for upping your social stats would be gold. But no I'm pretty sure it's confirmed to be for the PS3 whenever it gets officially announced.
It would be gold, I suppose. But I sold off my Wii about six months ago so there would be some degree of dramatic irony if it turned out that the game I most want to play is a Wii exclusive.
(Before this becomes fodder for some sort of console flame war: The Wii was disappointing to me personally, in my subjective opinion, but I can understand why lots of people love it. I'm not here to bash the Wii or anything. It's a system that some people can thoroughly enjoy but I'm just not one of them; I couldn't enamor myself with the controls and the games I played just didn't excite me.)
Julford Hajime
05-19-2010, 08:44 PM
Nintendo: I just want some info on them POKEYMANS. Some videos, pictures of new pokes, whatever. Just something >.> Zelda/Other M info would also be nice.
Man, I want to be excited about the prospect of a new KH, as I loved the first and liked KH2 and CoM, but honestly the series feels too far away from the original premise anymore to stay fun. I haven't even touched Numbery Days yet because of it >.>
Actually, forget everything I just said. SUIKODEN 6 PLEASE. If nothing else, this.
Kyanbu The Legend
05-19-2010, 08:53 PM
New info on Nintendo's 3DS and KH3 is what I'm looking forward to.
Roland
05-19-2010, 09:53 PM
I would like to hear about a new F-Zero, but the series is apparently dead so I'll probably just settle with looking forward to Other M.
The 3DS has me curious and it's making me wonder if I'm going to regret buying an XL next month.
Oh shit. Impossible, but until it's confirmed otherwise I'll pretend they're letting Treasure make a Star Fox game.
Azisien
05-19-2010, 10:07 PM
Natal and 'something interesting' in the same sentence makes no logical sense whatsoever. Please try again.
Hey, no need to smash a man's dreams. Besides, logic has nothing to do with it! I mean, something like a godzilla game where you get to walk around a city tearing down buildings and punching planes out of the sky would be cool.
Probably not the $199.99 cool Microsoft will ask for it, granted.
bluestarultor
05-19-2010, 10:38 PM
It would be gold, I suppose. But I sold off my Wii about six months ago so there would be some degree of dramatic irony if it turned out that the game I most want to play is a Wii exclusive.
(Before this becomes fodder for some sort of console flame war: The Wii was disappointing to me personally, in my subjective opinion, but I can understand why lots of people love it. I'm not here to bash the Wii or anything. It's a system that some people can thoroughly enjoy but I'm just not one of them; I couldn't enamor myself with the controls and the games I played just didn't excite me.)
To be fair, with the Move coming out for the PS3, you could still have waggle and stay with Sony. Pretty sure I read something a while back that said they would be doing P5 for the PS3 finally. Makes sense, given they already did two games for a last-gen console well into the life cycle of the current gen one.
Persona 5 isn't getting an E3 announcement, I don't think. I love Persona, but I just don't see it.
Regulus Tera
05-19-2010, 10:52 PM
Speculating! But just on Nintendo's news conference, because that's the only one I ever watch!
We'll get to see a non-functional mockup of the 3DS which may have little resemblance to the finished product. Maybe we'll get a launch window.
We already have one. It's coming out during the current fiscal year in all territories.
bluestarultor
05-19-2010, 11:08 PM
Persona 5 isn't getting an E3 announcement, I don't think. I love Persona, but I just don't see it.
Well, let me rephrase that. They said in the interview that when they did a new Persona game, it wasn't going to be for the PS2 again because they felt it was time to move forward. So basically they said the next one will be for the PS3. It was a wording thing. Sticking with Sony was implied, if not stated.
And I really wouldn't be surprised if they did announce the next one. Persona 4 came out a couple years ago. They had plenty of time to start getting stuff together to show off in that time. Two years is a good head start for a professional game developer.
Oh, I definitely think it'll be announced soon, and for the PS3. I just don't see an E3 announcement happening.
bluestarultor
05-19-2010, 11:18 PM
Oh, I definitely think it'll be announced soon, and for the PS3. I just don't see an E3 announcement happening.
You're thinking TGS?
Maybe? It's more likely, at least. I dunno. I just think E3 and I think major announcements from the big three, and an Atlus announcement doesn't fit in with that in my mind. Maybe it's based on not knowing more about Atlus or E3, so if it isn't as far-fetched as I think of it being, feel free to call out my ignorance.
Azisien
05-19-2010, 11:39 PM
On the big three, I would like to see some more solid Pokemon B&W previews.
bluestarultor
05-19-2010, 11:43 PM
Maybe? It's more likely, at least. I dunno. I just think E3 and I think major announcements from the big three, and an Atlus announcement doesn't fit in with that in my mind. Maybe it's based on not knowing more about Atlus or E3, so if it isn't as far-fetched as I think of it being, feel free to call out my ignorance.
No, you're probably right. Atlus doesn't have the weight compared to Square and the console manufacturers. While their games are good, they're not as pre-hyped as what ends up at E3. TGS is a more open environment.
ZAKtheGeek
05-20-2010, 12:54 AM
I hope to see... man, who cares. I ain't got time for these vidya games. I don't really even have time for the games I have, not to mention the interesting ones that already exist that I don't have.
Show me something cool with Zelda, I guess.
Regulus Tera
05-20-2010, 01:12 AM
Oh, I definitely think it'll be announced soon, and for the PS3. I just don't see an E3 announcement happening.
This is Atlus.
It's gonna be for either DS, 3DS, or PSP, if it's even in the plans right now.
This is Atlus.
It's gonna be for either DS, 3DS, or PSP, if it's even in the plans right now.
Why? Because Strange Journey was for the DS and Persona 3 got a PSP port? Okay then. I'll just be over here chilling with all the console releases they've done... Like Devil Summoner, Devil Summoner 2, Nocturne, Persona 3, Persona 4, Digital Devil Saga parts one and two... Persona 4 was their best selling game. Persona 5 is getting a console release.
Regulus Tera
05-20-2010, 01:26 AM
Why? Because Strange Journey was for the DS and Persona 3 got a PSP port? Okay then. I'll just be over here chilling with all the console releases they've done... Like Devil Summoner, Devil Summoner 2, Nocturne, Persona 3, Persona 4, Digital Devil Saga parts one and two... Persona 4 was their best selling game. Persona 5 is getting a console release.
More because Atlus is a small company with limited resources that sells to a niche fanbase and that thrives in maximising the fuck out of already known technology. Need I remind you that Persona 3 did not come out until 2007?
They haven't done a single HD game, only published. I doubt Persona 5 will be the one to break that trend, at least not before the beginning of next generation.
Also, I was of the impression that Strange Journey was the sequel to Nocturne.
Need I remind you that Persona 3 did not come out until 2007?
Need I remind you that Nocturne came out in 2003?
They haven't done a single HD game, only published. I doubt Persona 5 will be the one to break that trend, at least not before the beginning of next generation.Why not? Persona 4 was their best selling game. They have to make the leap eventually. What other game would they make the leap to HD with?
Also, I was of the impression that Strange Journey was the sequel to Nocturne.Not really. It's an SMT game intentionally in the style of Nocturne, but it takes a heck of a lot of cues from Persona PSP, too. It's not like it continues Nocturne's story or anything.
EDIT: Looking further in, it does look like Strange Journey is the official fourth SMT main series game, but I hardly take it as a sign that Atlus is only making portable games now. Like I said, Persona 4 sold better.
Regulus Tera
05-20-2010, 01:50 AM
Need I remind you that Nocturne came out in 2003?
What this shows to me is that SMT5 will be on HD before Persona.
Why not? Persona 4 was their best selling game. They have to make the leap eventually. What other game would they make the leap to HD with?
That, over there. Persona is still a spin-off of SMT.
Not really. It's an SMT game intentionally in the style of Nocturne, but it takes a heck of a lot of cues from Persona PSP, too. It's not like it continues Nocturne's story or anything.
EDIT: Looking further in, it does look like Strange Journey is the official fourth SMT main series game, but I hardly take it as a sign that Atlus is only making portable games now. Like I said, Persona 4 sold better.
I didn't say it would go portable only, I said it would go to hardware that feels comfortable (meaning cheap and quick) to them.
Or, maybe Persona 5 will be a hallway JRPG about rebel schoolers fighting THE MAN because that's their destiny otherwise they become evil Personas (and if they succeed they become crystal Personas).
Also no HD Towns.
Borealis
05-20-2010, 10:25 AM
I know it's impossible, and I know they would -never- do it but I pray for a new Chrono game. If only for the memories.
But I'd love to hear of The World Ends With You Two, too.
bluestarultor
05-20-2010, 10:55 AM
Non and Tera, chill. It's not that important.
Frankly, from what I've seen of SMT and friends, they never take full advantage of the graphical capabilities of the system and rather take advantage of the storage capabilities of the disc. They store a lot of data, but a lot of it goes to content, rather than visuals. The PS3 came out Q4 of 2006, which has given them four years to look into it. While I have to say it's possible they'd do it for the PSP, the fact of the matter is that I'd be surprised if they did it that way given how much of a boost being on a console has given them. The PSP is simply not a key pathway to market saturation. It was fine for a third remake of P3, but that was them trying to scrape the bottom of the barrel, not to penetrate.
Regulus Tera
05-20-2010, 10:58 AM
Non and Tera, chill. It's not that important.
It's gonna be for iPhone and iPod Touch!
Also N-Gage.
Melfice
05-20-2010, 11:24 AM
Natal and 'something interesting' in the same sentence makes no logical sense whatsoever. Please try again.
Nobody likes a fanboy.
That said... that Molyneux thing sounds interesting (Milo, wasn't it called?), but if that's gonna be the big thing for Natal. Yeah. I'll pass up on it.
Actually, forget everything I just said. SUIKODEN 6 PLEASE. If nothing else, this.
YES. THIS. OH GOD THIS!
Also, they need to show more of LittleBigPlanet 2. I crave more LBP2 info.
bluestarultor
05-20-2010, 12:16 PM
Nobody likes a fanboy.
That said... that Molyneux thing sounds interesting (Milo, wasn't it called?), but if that's gonna be the big thing for Natal. Yeah. I'll pass up on it.
Isn't that that simulated kid? Am I the only one slightly creeped out by that? I mean, Molyneux at his most Molyneux, here, for one, with the entire thing being for its own sake, but it's a ten-year-old boy, here. Like what are you supposed to do with it? Use it as a virtual friend for your kid? Parent it? Aside from that, he just looks creepy.
Melfice
05-20-2010, 12:53 PM
Isn't that that simulated kid? Am I the only one slightly creeped out by that? I mean, Molyneux at his most Molyneux, here, for one, with the entire thing being for its own sake, but it's a ten-year-old boy, here. Like what are you supposed to do with it? Use it as a virtual friend for your kid? Parent it? Aside from that, he just looks creepy.
Maybe, but the whole idea behind it is interesting to me. Assuming it works like Molyneux says it will.
Which is why I'm saying: "but if that's gonna be the big thing for Natal. Yeah. I'll pass up on it."
bluestarultor
05-20-2010, 01:13 PM
Maybe, but the whole idea behind it is interesting to me. Assuming it works like Molyneux says it will.
Which is why I'm saying: "but if that's gonna be the big thing for Natal. Yeah. I'll pass up on it."
Well, from what I'm reading, the thing is basically like one of those chat bots that you can talk to, so if nothing else, the technology is there. From that point, it's just recreating the words using phonemes, which is an idea that I've been touting pretty much since I came here, so I gotta say it's about time.
mudah.swf
05-20-2010, 02:45 PM
I just want some MVC3 gameplay. And more gameplay footage of Platinum Game's Vanquish too. Fable 3 footage would be nice too.
Meister
05-20-2010, 02:50 PM
Would be nice to get some Rock Band 3 details, got a hunch it's too early to expect a full setlist though.
phil_
05-20-2010, 03:04 PM
Concerning Milo, couldn't they give us something more interesting to talk to, like a horrible fish-man or a psychopathic AI or a Pikachu? I can talk to regular, boring old human beings in real life, with much greater ease than, say, stealing a car or playing professional football. If I'm talking to my TV, make the TV something worth talking to.
If I'm talking to my TV, make the TV something worth talking to.
or a Pikachu?
They already did that. (http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=owvdSfiEm9U&feature=related)
Also, Kojima: You will give me more Nintendo Metal Gear goodness.
Oh, hey, look - a Sonic game that might not suck! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzHhRbDXWWE)
Expect Hephasto to make an appearance! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQu0m1dwZWI)
Solid Snake
05-24-2010, 03:19 PM
Oh, hey, look - a Sonic game that might not suck! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzHhRbDXWWE)
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Eh, I've seen some stuff that really looks quite good for it, and I've seen some goddamn awful stuff. We'll see how it turns out when it's out. It certainly has more going for it than previous titles.
P-Sleazy
05-24-2010, 05:20 PM
You know what I'd like to see of what we're gonna get? A Tales of Graces announcement saying they're bringing it over to the U.S.
Which apperently its supposedly going to get released in Europe this summer according to wikipedia but no official word on that.
Kyanbu The Legend
05-24-2010, 05:43 PM
Eh, I've seen some stuff that really looks quite good for it, and I've seen some goddamn awful stuff. We'll see how it turns out when it's out. It certainly has more going for it than previous titles.
Sadly his image is so damaged that this may not sell well good or not. Well least Sega's trying to save him. Even though the only way to do this is to suspend the franchise for 50 years (most of the fanbase would have moved on by then). And try again. Or give up on it and promote only classic remakes since Mario's image can't be broke (he's too simple to get horribly wrong more the 1 in a row).
Solid Snake
05-24-2010, 06:44 PM
All I'm going to say is, I recently has the "privilege" of listening to the Sonic 4 soundtrack, and boy was that an epic disappointment.
...One of the best elements in the 2D Sonic games was their soundtracks. If Sonic 4 can't get that much right, I don't hold out much hope that the gameplay mechanics or the level design is going to impress.
bluestarultor
05-24-2010, 06:55 PM
Sadly his image is so damaged that this may not sell well good or not. Well least Sega's trying to save him. Even though the only way to do this is to suspend the franchise for 50 years (most of the fanbase would have moved on by then). And try again. Or give up on it and promote only classic remakes since Mario's image can't be broke (he's too simple to get horribly wrong more the 1 in a row).
Sonic could be good if they didn't keep trying to push him into 3D and bloating his circle of friends to the point of Pokemon.
I mean, the simulated 3D portions of early Sonic games where you had to turn balls colors were hard to control and everyone knew it, which is why they were challenge stages. Trying to make an entire game that way and even faster works about as well as veterans of those games would think, only the frustration is all the time and not nearly as rewarding.
I'm withholding judgement on the new one because I think they could stumble over the right idea completely by accident using the old formula and have faith that they already have it from the gesture. Also, the 2.5D portions of newer games have been consistently pretty good from what I understand, so they have the base, they have a system that holds them to the base, and they've shown that they understand the market by dropping all of the extended cast that's drawn the ire of mainstream buyers.
I'm not saying it couldn't go wrong, but even if it does, it'll at least be a gentler, more understanding wrong than everything that came when Sonic Team got swept up in the mindset that 2D is obsolete with the rest of the market. Now that 3D is reaching its limits, 2D is starting to creep out again as the unexplored territory, and it's hitting the market again just as people our ages are looking back to their childhoods twenty years ago for entertainment.
IGN talking about some E3 related titles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ra48XWelow)
Gamespot doing the same (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWPaQGVQfhY)
More of the same from XPlay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgksGLxYtuc)
And now for something completely different. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqhlQfXUk7w&feature=related)
ZAKtheGeek
05-29-2010, 02:27 AM
I mean, the simulated 3D portions of early Sonic games where you had to turn balls colors were hard to control and everyone knew it, which is why they were challenge stages. Trying to make an entire game that way and even faster works about as well as veterans of those games would think, only the frustration is all the time and not nearly as rewarding.
Wait, what are you talking about? Is this from Sonic CD? I've played quite a bit of old school Sonic but I'm really not following this...
I think it was on Sonic CD, Sonic and Knuckles, and Sonic 3...
Julford Hajime
05-29-2010, 02:57 AM
It's these, I believe. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7yn6gjSE5M)
mudah.swf
05-29-2010, 06:41 AM
I don't know much about Sonic 4 but I hope the minecart level(s?) goes away in the final build. Maybe that'll be used for the iPad version, who knows.
I can FEEL the frustration from here (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/04/05/leaked-sonic-4-mine-cart-footage-is-all-yours/).
Mannix
05-29-2010, 10:22 AM
Half-Life 3. That is all.
Borealis
05-29-2010, 10:35 AM
Speaking of Half Life, Portal 2. We all know of it and all but it needs a proper announcement. Like, trailers and stuff.
bluestarultor
05-29-2010, 06:22 PM
I don't know much about Sonic 4 but I hope the minecart level(s?) goes away in the final build. Maybe that'll be used for the iPad version, who knows.
I can FEEL the frustration from here (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/04/05/leaked-sonic-4-mine-cart-footage-is-all-yours/).
Given how much of a done deal the graphics look, I'm thinking it's at least going to stay in the game data, even if it gets re-purposed. My guess is it's probably staying, though.
It's pretty much the worst thing in the universe, that level.
bluestarultor
05-29-2010, 06:37 PM
It's pretty much the worst thing in the universe, that level.
To be honest, what I saw looked nothing worse than mildly aggravating. It seems functional, if you know what you're doing. It just struck me that the person playing it sucked, especially judging from their performance early in the level when they tilted it to vertical for no good reason.
To be honest, what I saw looked nothing worse than mildly aggravating. It seems functional, if you know what you're doing. It just struck me that the person playing it sucked, especially judging from their performance early in the level when they tilted it to vertical for no good reason.
You must be watching a different video then, because what I saw looked disorienting as fuck, not remotely fun, and like it had been shoved in their so they could have their pointless waggle level for the Wii version. Like, the first time I watched it I got physically nauseous.
bluestarultor
05-29-2010, 06:49 PM
You must be watching a different video then, because what I saw looked disorienting as fuck, not remotely fun, and like it had been shoved in their so they could have their pointless waggle level for the Wii version. Like, the first time I watched it I got physically nauseous.
Dude, remember the days when you had to control the camera with the trigger buttons instead of the right analog stick? Read the text on the screen. It's pretty much that. I'd call that pretty much painless, but then I despise using the right stick and stick to the triggers whenever possible.
Just because someone can't manage that and makes it look like it look like a drunk man with an elastic flail doesn't mean it's actually that bad. Like seriously, watching further makes me wonder if this person knows left from right the way they constantly see-saw.
It's pretty much that.
No... No, it isn't. I mean, it would be if you were comparing it to how I'll sometimes swirl the camera around in a circle for a minute or two to make the people watching me play incredibly nauseous because I'm a douchebag, but you aren't comparing it to that. You're comparing constantly rotating a 2D plane in front of my face for several minutes with no real center of gravity as the only way of progressing through a level to having to move a camera in a 3D world to keep it behind your character. These are not the same thing. Like I said, this is the sort of thing you do to the player if you're an incredibly jackass.
Like seriously, watching further makes me wonder if this person knows left from right the way they constantly see-saw.
They're having to navigate a level with very little clear idea of which direction is the proper direction at several times, back up and then go forward and jump with the screen at a ridiculous angle to move forward, and deal with that constant, nauseating spinning. I'm going to cut the guy some slack until I actually experience this myself.
bluestarultor
05-29-2010, 07:02 PM
No... No, it isn't. I mean, it would be if you were comparing it to how I'll sometimes swirl the camera around in a circle for a minute or two to make the people watching me play incredibly nauseous because I'm a douchebag, but you aren't comparing it to that. You're comparing constantly rotating a 2D plane in front of my face for several minutes with no real center of gravity as the only way of progressing through a level to having to move a camera in a 3D world to keep it behind your character. These are not the same thing. Like I said, this is the sort of thing you do to the player if you're an incredibly jackass.
A small geometry lesson: unless you're flying, your movement is largely in a 2-D plane anyway (jumping generally takes you very little out of it). All this does is take those exact camera controls and put them to what would be considered over your 3-D character's head. It is the EXACT control system I was talking about. The only difference is the view.
I mean, I dunno about you, but when I use the triggers to turn my camera, I get a good deal of precision out of it. You stop pushing the buttons, it generally stops moving the camera. That's what this player was utterly failing to do near the end was to take their damn fingers off the buttons.
This was obviously put in to take advantage of six-axis and wiimote controls. This means trigger controls were secondary. Somehow I just don't buy that it controls as well as you seem to think it does.
bluestarultor
05-29-2010, 07:18 PM
This was obviously put in to take advantage of six-axis and wiimote controls. This means trigger controls were secondary. Somehow I just don't buy that it controls as well as you seem to think it does.
Maybe, but the directions clearly say that you use the triggers with no mention of any other control scheme. I'm guessing that that means the player was using the triggers. If not, it still doesn't account for the ridiculous angles they were rotating it to. You'd break your wrist.
Look, we can argue this all day, but from what I saw, the player simply made a bad show of it. Way too much time upside-down for no good reason and see-sawing back and forth for no good reason. It was disorienting because you spent half the video with shakycam and upside-down.
Maybe, but the directions clearly say that you use the triggers with no mention of any other control scheme. I'm guessing that that means the player was using the triggers. If not, it still doesn't account for the ridiculous angles they were rotating it to. You'd break your wrist.
They were using the triggers because they were playing on the 360. It's a level that was crammed in there because they wanted to use WAGGLEYAY and no other reason. As such, the trigger scheme is secondary. The trigger scheme exists only because the 360 can't do waggle. Thus, it's secondary. That's why I called it secondary. Apologies because apparently I need to write a paragraph to explain this without you misinterpreting every little thing I say.
Look, we can argue this all day, but from what I saw, the player simply made a bad show of it. Way too much time upside-down for no good reason and see-sawing back and forth for no good reason. It was disorienting because you spent half the video with shakycam and upside-down.Even if he did, this is an absolutely terrible level. It's a dumb gimmick. It's a dumb control scheme. It's a dumb idea. It is dumb, dumb, dumb. It doesn't look remotely fun, and despite liking another level I saw, this is actually making me consider not getting Sonic 4.
Magus
05-29-2010, 10:52 PM
Half-Life 3. That is all.
Despite Valve saying Episode 3 wouldn't be released in 2010, some info on it (like that it's coming out January 1, 2011, for instance) would be greatly appreciated.
Unfortunately we'll probably just get more concept art, or nothing.
I'm most excited about the Zelda game, as long as there is actual information about what it is about.
I've heard they're focusing on story first and foremost this time around, and that it'll use Motion+, so I'm cautiously optimistic.
ZAKtheGeek
05-30-2010, 01:30 AM
It's these, I believe. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7yn6gjSE5M)
But that's not really very 3D, it's just a different kind of 2D... mostly. But I guess that's not relevant to the point.
I've heard they're focusing on story first and foremost this time around, and that it'll use Motion+, so I'm cautiously optimistic.
Wait, regarding story, I believe I read the opposite. They thought up the game mechanics and then built the story to suit it. All things considered, that sounds like a good approach here, IMO...
mudah.swf
05-30-2010, 06:37 AM
Well, on Sonic 4, Sega recently stated that the iPod versions will be getting exclusive levels so perhaps the minecart version will be taken out of the 360/PS3 version. Sega did delay the game to improve it based on fan response, and from looking at boards the minecart level is a major point of contention. Bonus gif:
http://i50.tinypic.com/rsde3b.gif
They thought up the game mechanics and then built the story to suit it.
What I read was that was their normal way of doing things, but that they're focusing on story first this time around.
phil_
05-30-2010, 10:15 AM
they're focusing on story first this time around.I would play "The Legend of Zelda: Farewell Ruins of the Moon." I would play it hard.
Then again, barring something like Sonic 4's minecart level, I'd play any Zelda game, so...
I'm just hoping they fix the pacing this time around. Twilight Princess had terrible pacing... Oh, and fix those goddamn ugly character designs from Twilight Princess seriously fuck that shit.
EVILNess
05-30-2010, 10:23 AM
I still want a full on Steampunk or Cyberpunk Zelda game. I'm kinda tired of the high fantasy ting.
greed
05-30-2010, 10:43 AM
Oh yeah TP had some fugly ass designs. The Oocoo haunt my nightmares. I'm hoping for a few things with the new Zelda
- Midna
- More Spinner
- More chain mace, goddamn those were the most awesome and underused Zelda items.
- A story and feel half as good as Majora's Mask.
- No sumo wrestling old fat men
- No Goron nipples.
- NO OOCOO
I don't know much about Sonic 4 but I hope the minecart level(s?) goes away in the final build. Maybe that'll be used for the iPad version, who knows.
I can FEEL the frustration from here (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/04/05/leaked-sonic-4-mine-cart-footage-is-all-yours/).
Ladies and gentlemen, it is time to go back in time. And kill the Nineteen Nineties. This may cause some paradoxes and the younger members of our forum may cease to have ever existed in the first place, but mine cart levels must be stopped, as they should have been stopped long ago. I'm sure those born after 1989 will understand and go into non-existence happily knowing their annihilation brought abouta better reality for us all.
Professor Smarmiarty
05-30-2010, 10:55 AM
The Oocoo were awesome. They should focus game on them
ZAKtheGeek
05-30-2010, 02:14 PM
What's wrong with the Ooccoo? Many things do not appeal to your faceholes. Welcome to life. Welcome to "realism."
Kingdom Hearts gonna be at E3 (http://kotaku.com/5556954/new-kingdom-hearts-game-will-be-at-e3)
Knew this already, but I guess if there actually are any Kingdom Hearts fans left this is good news for the three of you.
synkr0nized
06-07-2010, 04:36 AM
Half-Life 3. That is all.
Dear Subject Name Here,
Aperture Science is pleased to inform you that we have partnered with Valve to announce the gala CANCELLATION of the June 14 Portal 2 event at the Regal Theater. The event will be replaced by a surprise. And even though the cancellation of the event certainly counts as a surprise, we are pleased to further announce that the cancellation of the event is not THE surprise. However, per International treaties regarding the definition of the word "surprise", of which both Aperture Science and Valve are signatories, the time, date and content of the actual surprise will only become available as you experience the surprise.
If you'd like to ask fruitless questions about the E3 Portal 2 surprise or, more fruitfully, schedule an appointment to attend a Portal 2 screening at the Valve booth during E3, please contact Valve's Special Envoy to Surprises, Doug Lombardi.
Thank you for **RECORD SCRATCH!!!**
PS: The surprising record scratch is also not the surprise.
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The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk
06-07-2010, 05:01 AM
I want to see more of Brink (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwU0rKEhMJ8) and Bulletstorm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb9ObWlNrg8).
Oh and Ep3 and Portal 2 of course.
Donomni
06-07-2010, 01:30 PM
Kingdom Hearts gonna be at E3 (http://kotaku.com/5556954/new-kingdom-hearts-game-will-be-at-e3)
Knew this already, but I guess if there actually are any Kingdom Hearts fans left this is good news for the three of you.
Eh, story-wise it's a mess(understatement), but gameplay has always been solid.
It also helps I have a higher threshold for bullshit, I guess.
Eh, story-wise it's a mess(understatement), but gameplay has always been solid.
Yeah, it's just becoming an increasingly big mess with every game.
Bells
06-07-2010, 02:10 PM
I have mixed feelings over this E3... mostly it will be Natal Vs Move.
Although, Sony could come really heavy with FF14, FFVersus13, FFAgito13, Killzone 3, Infamous 2 . On the other hand you have the Xbox with Gears 3, Fable 3 and Something Halo.
I must say... Metroid and epic Mickey just might not be enough, specially if Nintendo decides to shine anything over 1 minute to that Vitality Sensor
ZAKtheGeek
06-07-2010, 07:46 PM
I have mixed feelings over this E3... mostly it will be Natal Vs Move.
Although, Sony could come really heavy with FF14, FFVersus13, FFAgito13, Killzone 3, Infamous 2 . On the other hand you have the Xbox with Gears 3, Fable 3 and Something Halo.
I must say... Metroid and epic Mickey just might not be enough, specially if Nintendo decides to shine anything over 1 minute to that Vitality Sensor
You're forgetting the Zelda.
The Zellldaaaaaa.
Capcom has some decent stuff to talk about.
DarkDrgon
06-07-2010, 08:03 PM
Capcom has some decent stuff to talk about.
unless its breath of fire 6, I will be disappointed.
Magus
06-07-2010, 08:39 PM
Man, Breath of Fire 6 would be great, that'd almost as good as Atlus talking about a new Ogre Battle.
Looks like we're getting a new Mortal Kombat game at E3 (http://kotaku.com/5558339/if-this-is-the-next-mortal-kombat-movie-sign-us-up)
I thought I cared as little as I possibly could about Mortal Kombat. Apparently I was wrong.
AKA trailer is awful.
Melfice
06-08-2010, 02:41 PM
Looks like we're getting a new Mortal Kombat game at E3 (http://kotaku.com/5558339/if-this-is-the-next-mortal-kombat-movie-sign-us-up)
I thought I cared as little as I possibly could about Mortal Kombat. Apparently I was wrong.
AKA trailer is awful.
You only watched the trailer, I suppose?
Kotaku leaves it very open that this is either Warner's attempt at rebooting the film-franchise or the opening cinematics for a new game.
Regardless of what it is, surely you aren't suggesting that this is horrible compared to the previous piles of shit?
Bells
06-08-2010, 03:10 PM
Johnny Cage dies in the trailer, this movie looses 10 points with me just there. But it gets 20 points cause Jacks talks a lot about "If this tournament exists" and then Sonya just gets there and says "SubZero will be at the tournament Fo'sure"
Reboot this bitch! i'm interested now!! I just want to see what kind of game they plan on pushing out of this one...
tacticslion
06-08-2010, 03:25 PM
I still want a full on Steampunk or Cyberpunk Zelda game. I'm kinda tired of the high fantasy ting.
They sort of did this already, didn't they? LoZ: Spirit Tracks? I kid, but I don't know that this is ever going to happen. The problem is that LoZ has always been a high fantasy setting and as soon as you take that out, you're going to have problems. Even if they did, you'd have the issues with the fans: it's very likely such a project would be a series' killer. I mean, I'd love for a LoZ to be made by Team Ico (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_Ico), but that's probably not going to happen either.
Oh yeah TP had some fugly ass designs. The Oocoo haunt my nightmares. I'm hoping for a few things with the new Zelda
- Midna
- More Spinner
- More chain mace, goddamn those were the most awesome and underused Zelda items.
- A story and feel half as good as Majora's Mask.
- No sumo wrestling old fat men
- No Goron nipples.
- NO OOCOO
I'm presuming you mean the mayor, little baby kid, and that one other parent. Outside of those three, I thought the designs were beautiful, and they've (almost purposefully, it seems) had occasionaly ugly character designs in every game I've played (admission: I've missed a few, especially the game boy titles). Heck, that (presumed) "master sword" character isn't terribly lovely himself (though he's a far cry from some I've mentioned above).
Oocoo were odd, I admit, but they were supposed to be. They don't completely fit with the rest of the creative 'history' of the world, but that's okay: so far none of the LoZ's have fit perfectly with any other. Whenever I play, I get the feeling that I'm more playing the retold story of the events through the lens of a bard than the actual "history" itself, with my unique experiences being the result of whatever said spoony bard! happens to be doing the retelling. The oocoo simply seem to be one more element of that. It works for the game, and I'm okay with it. I am curious to see what they're going to do with them in the future.
You only watched the trailer, I suppose?
Kotaku leaves it very open that this is either Warner's attempt at rebooting the film-franchise or the opening cinematics for a new game.
Regardless of what it is, surely you aren't suggesting that this is horrible compared to the previous piles of shit?
I watched the trailer and read what Kotaku said. This is the week before E3, and that is very obviously not a movie trailer. It's for a new game. It's meant to build hype for the E3 announcement.
The previous games were stupid, but this super serious GRIMDARK take on Mortal Kombat is just... really damn stupid.
Melfice
06-09-2010, 07:23 AM
I watched the trailer and read what Kotaku said. This is the week before E3, and that is very obviously not a movie trailer. It's for a new game. It's meant to build hype for the E3 announcement.
The previous games were stupid, but this super serious GRIMDARK take on Mortal Kombat is just... really damn stupid.
Gimme a bullet-point list why this is obviously a game-trailer. I must have missed it with the whole not "feeling like a game-trailer" thing.
I mean, fair enough, it could be a game-trailer, but it could also be a movie.
And I fully disagree on the "being dark" is stupid.
It's pretty clearly a reboot, so they could do two things:
1) Carry on like it was, and just retcon everything out of existence
2) Or turn a new leaf, and pray it'll pay off.
So... carry on with the stupid, or do it anew and hope people won't think it's as stupid as it was. Which has failed on your end, obviously.
EDIT: Okay, I said game-trailer. What I meant was this hyping video.
Natch!
Mannix
06-09-2010, 07:50 AM
Valve canceled a Portal 2 event at E3 promising a big surprise, then Gabe Newell said that the surprise wasn't going to be Episode 3. I'll reiterate my hope for a full Half-Life 3. That, or Left 3 Dead.
greed
06-09-2010, 08:28 AM
I'm presuming you mean the mayor, little baby kid, and that one other parent. Outside of those three, I thought the designs were beautiful, and they've (almost purposefully, it seems) had occasionaly ugly character designs in every game I've played (admission: I've missed a few, especially the game boy titles). Heck, that (presumed) "master sword" character isn't terribly lovely himself (though he's a far cry from some I've mentioned above).
Oocoo were odd, I admit, but they were supposed to be. They don't completely fit with the rest of the creative 'history' of the world, but that's okay: so far none of the LoZ's have fit perfectly with any other. Whenever I play, I get the feeling that I'm more playing the retold story of the events through the lens of a bard than the actual "history" itself, with my unique experiences being the result of whatever said spoony bard! happens to be doing the retelling. The oocoo simply seem to be one more element of that. It works for the game, and I'm okay with it. I am curious to see what they're going to do with them in the future.
Actually I meant from memory all the children (including the bug girl), Ilia, most of the random NPCs... and well pretty much every human not Link, one of that family with the brother and the two sisters who run the fishing and shooting minigames, true form Midna and that girl with the Yeto mask. But the kids and Illia especially. Basically I just disliked the art design used in that game and thought it only really worked with a handful of characters, leaving everyone else ugly at best.
Also my problem with the Oocoo wasn't a problem with them not fitting, I just thought they crossed the line between tolerably creepy and "uncomfortable to look at" creepy. Also doubt they will do anything with them in the future (other than maybe in the upcoming Wii game as it appears to be the direct sequel to TP). Only races that seme to recur in the Zelda series are Gorons, Fairies and Zoras. Oocoo will probably disappear
like the Kokiri, Gerudo, Rito, those underground guys from the gameboy games, the dwarves from ALttP....
Magus
06-09-2010, 01:04 PM
It'd be difficult to expect the Gerudo to have survived their only male in a hundred years getting sent to another dimension, since other than him they have to rely on mating with Hylian males. Thus missing that particular generation their bloodline would've been entirely assimilated into Hylian society. It was only a matter of time, of course, but technically Link is responsible for near genocide! Talk about an evil little bastard!
I hope there is a full trailer of the new Zelda game and not just like some thirty second video that says a couple of things and doesn't show anything...
Looks like a new 360 is going to be announced tomorrow...
It has a 250 gig hard drive and built in wifi...
FUCK YOU, MICROSOFT. FFFFFUUUUUUUCCCCKKKKK YYYYYYOOOOOOUUUUUU
Magus
06-13-2010, 08:31 PM
At least I am continually rewarded for waiting to actually buy one of these consoles, I'll just stick to playing my games on my friend's machine for a while.
Supposedly there is going to be an announcement by Rockstar prior to E3 about "GTA V", although I doubt it would be called that. Plus the guy speculating on this is just an analyst, not an actual insider. Regardless, I would expect something about Max Payne 3 or any of the other announced games, like L.A. Noire.
http://xboxoz360.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/assassin3-oxcgn.jpg
Hint hint.
Regulus Tera
06-14-2010, 12:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tjRGgIOMG4
Bravo, Microsoft. :D
Fake, but still!
EDIT: For realz this time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOKCjFyDTq8
Bells
06-14-2010, 03:55 AM
http://www.evilavatar.com/images/previews/kevinbutler/kevinbutler_biggest.jpg
I don't even know what this is about, but it's already awesome.
http://www.evilavatar.com/images/previews/image.php?image=www.evilavatar.com/images/previews/kevinbutler/kevinbutler_biggest.jpg
Also... I WANT THIS POSTER
http://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/4698120362/
Melfice
06-14-2010, 04:37 AM
"This changes everything"?
More like "This changes Nint-" No. That sucks.
Uh... "Nintendo made us change everything"?
... oh, hush. They can't all be classics!
Roland
06-14-2010, 04:59 AM
So, first the PS3 only does everything. Now Move changes everything. What's next? The PSOmega? It ends everything!
Bells
06-14-2010, 09:38 AM
So, Microsoft's presentation is in T-3 hours, and it should be Kinetic centric (Why all Movement-based gaming gear has a stupid name?) But to be real honest? They better bring it... real games and demos i mean. Not just some Star Wars CGI with an actor on stage imitating the footage like "Kinetic will be just like that! Promise!"
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/9/2010/06/6db9eddafa5ee84849d020538f1008d5/340x.gif
Solid Snake
06-14-2010, 10:45 AM
...I really hope all this "Move" and "Kinect" stuff doesn't catch on, or I'm going to be one of those miserable old-timer gamers who keeps reminding the youngsters how much better gaming was in the old days when we used real controllers like real men, all while arbitrarily restricting my videogame collection to approximately the year 2013.
Kyanbu The Legend
06-14-2010, 10:51 AM
Considering how fast analog caught on. I'd say Move and Kinect are going to be used a lot within the next few years.
I enjoy it when they try to improve gaming so that won't bother me at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMYc-zOYZCM
The destiny of man lays in our grasp
We will lead their hearts and minds to absolute peace
Those who deny us fight for the wrong side of history,
And will not survive.
Bells
06-14-2010, 11:29 AM
Well, you also must consider their long term plans... think of the 360. It's 5 Years old now. At this point usually the big companies would start to dial it down a bit and get ready to push a brand new console. Maybe even starting now on E3 and Looking for a 2012 early release.
That works with Both, Sony and Microsoft.
But thanks to Kinect and Move, that's not going to happen. They just added another 3-5 years to that cicle.... if it works.
Of course, the could release these peripherals now and then just release a new console and make it BC with the hardware and software... but why bother? Thanks to nintendo they know there is a very profitable market here and that the Wii is no longer holding it up like it used to. So, they can come in, rake in the profits and market response to that, and in the next Console Cycle just embrace it or ditch it, all at a lower overall cost.
So, they are going to push this one hard.
bluestarultor
06-14-2010, 12:13 PM
...I really hope all this "Move" and "Kinect" stuff doesn't catch on, or I'm going to be one of those miserable old-timer gamers who keeps reminding the youngsters how much better gaming was in the old days when we used real controllers like real men, all while arbitrarily restricting my videogame collection to approximately the year 2013.
Really, with the Move, the technology has been there for quite some time, and no, it didn't really catch on before. Although a good part of that might be a lack of support.
To be honest, I think the "all-in-one system" approach to Kinect is going to ultimately maximize its utility. It is, after all, good for games, scanning in objects, and a home theater device. Move excites me, don't get me wrong. But it doesn't have the same range-focused marketing that Kinect does. It's been mentioned it's capable by Sony, mind you (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Eye#Applications). It's just not in the public mind with their current marketing.
To be honest, I think the "all-in-one system" approach to Kinect is going to ultimately maximize its utility.
I disagree, because ultimately what you can do with Kinect is limited by what you can do with your body. A normal controller can do anything mapped with buttons. I think they really need to combine a normal PS3/360 controller with some motion tracking. I'm not sold on this want/eyetoy stuff.
Kyanbu The Legend
06-14-2010, 12:43 PM
Well, you also must consider their long term plans... think of the 360. It's 5 Years old now. At this point usually the big companies would start to dial it down a bit and get ready to push a brand new console. Maybe even starting now on E3 and Looking for a 2012 early release.
That works with Both, Sony and Microsoft.
But thanks to Kinect and Move, that's not going to happen. They just added another 3-5 years to that cicle.... if it works.
Of course, the could release these peripherals now and then just release a new console and make it BC with the hardware and software... but why bother? Thanks to nintendo they know there is a very profitable market here and that the Wii is no longer holding it up like it used to. So, they can come in, rake in the profits and market response to that, and in the next Console Cycle just embrace it or ditch it, all at a lower overall cost.
So, they are going to push this one hard.
PS4 wasn't due till around 2016 (PS3's last year) anyway.
Donomni
06-14-2010, 01:19 PM
I doubt the PS4 is coming anytime soon.
Graphically, it just doesn't seem like they can improve much more beyond really tiny details, not to mention developers have been starting to get a hang for coding it now.
Of course, the whole "economy-in-the-shitter" bit is still applicable for the most part, so I doubt they'll try and force people to buy a new ho-shit-expensive console yet, especially since price kinda killed any advantage Sony may have had when the PS3 launched.
If there is a new console this year, it'll be more like the Wii(with Move right now, doubtful), or a PSP2(More likely, especially with the 3DS's existence).
They're a lot more creative with Kinect games than Nintendo has been with stuff like Wii Sports.
Dance Studio looks fucking awesome, though that looks like the only reason for me to get Kinect so far.
Rising was pretty cool.
phil_
06-14-2010, 02:15 PM
Well, the game those Parade writers and children embarrassed themselves with looks much nicer when people who know how to play Xbox without choking on the power cord play it. As in it actually looks playable and fun.
Harmonix's dance party looks like We Cheer, in that it's probably a blast to play but must be hidden when company comes over.
Forza was a nice surprise for me, because moments after joking that they'd add a mode where you have sex with cars, they showed a mode where you grope and ogle cars. It was an unexpected treat.
Announcing the new Xbox model the day it's available reminds me of the launch of the Sega Saturn. I'm having a hard time figuring out how to extend that statement to point out that I'm not making some "hurr, that means no one will buy it" remark.
As for Skiiiiiiiiitles, Wii Fit Ubisoft's thing, and the mounds and mounds of things that weren't video games... :crossarms:
Aerozord
06-14-2010, 02:20 PM
The wii is successful because its good pick up and play. Average non-gamer lacks the coordination to work over half a dozen buttons a d-pad and two analog sticks. Wii-mote simplified this to make it accessible. Thing is it wasn't just that, it was because the company made that their focus and had basically all games support it. Its successful for pulling in fresh blood not for appealing to current gamers who most prefer sitting on their butt when they game. 360 and PS3, dont have the library or price tag to draw in new gamers. Excluding the tech nerds that need every new toy no one is gonna buy this thing anyways, so the games that focus on it will bomb and thus discourage others to try it. Keeping the library small and giving no real incentive to use it
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