Hey, People Who Cheat In Videogames

[Seil]

Holy fucking shit stop cheating at video games!

Now, it is widely known that human beings are competitive in nature. We want the best resources, we want the most advanced tools, we want to beat our neighbours. I understand that it's bred into us, the desire to win.

And hey, I totally understand it. At least part of it. Back in the day I was no-clipping through Quake walls, god-moding it up in Doom and had infinite ammo in Wolfenstein. But that was back in the day, when games were largely single-player, not multi-player.

I was recently enjoying a game of Team Fortress 2, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69lyeEqAfs4) where my team was close to winning, and I was rushing to my intelligence room with the intel (I was playing a Pyro) and I was immediately blown away by a turret. It's okay, it happens. Enemy Engies sometimes get into your intel room and set up shop.

The trouble was that I had set this Engineer aflame when I died, and when the game briefly showed the guy who killed me, I noticed two things. One, his health wasn't going down, even though he was on fire. Two, he suddenly started levitating, flying through the walls and back to his base in less than a second.

He then proceeded to to this from our base to his with the intelligence in quick succession, winning the game.

Now, it is one thing to die because someone is a better player than you. It's one thing to die when you do something stupid. Itis another thing entirely to die because some fuckwit doesn't have the courtesy to give you a fair game.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Hackers can go burn in an especially painful fire while being dragged around a salt desert by giant bee-spitting cats with laser vision.

[bluestarultor]

Lost Planet 2 is particularly heinous about this. Aside from having weaponry which is so overpowered that they announced a patch to rebalance one gun (which had infinite ammo and homing and replaced the default machine gun), people feel the need to use some sort of device to purposefully lag their connections and blip all over the place. They'll blip at you, lob a grenade, and then blip away before you can even fire a shot, never mind that grenades can kill you quite easily. Rinse and repeat.


Personally, I wish there was a way to detect that and automatically ban people doing it. Or delete all their characters or special weaponry or something.

[Osterbaum]

Now, it is widely known that human beings are competitive in nature. We want the best resources, we want the most advanced tools, we want to beat our neighbours. I understand that it's bred into us, the desire to win.
No.

e: Fuck cheating though.

[A Zarkin' Frood]

Let's not get started on Diablo II. Okay, too late, I started it already. By now cheating is so common in that game that, in a sense of the word, you're even cheating when trading with others. Because there is a good chance whatever you're about to buy was acquired by using cheats, hacks and bots. And maybe it's a dupe, though that's most common with high runes. Blizzards anti-cheating measures mostly ban people who use an application that allows you to run Diablo II without a CD and multiple times (once for each CD Key you possess). To be fair it's used as a gateway for a good deal of hacks. Though, it still is like they arrest you for owning a kitchen knife because you COULD stab someone with it. Luckily that didn't happen to me, but to someone who used my CD-Key and got it permabanned.

And one time I got called a cheater in D2 because I didn't want to use a loophole to circumvent certain Level requirements in the game, good times.

And another time I got called a noob for actually playing the game instead of creating a character to be rushed to the final boss so I can power level myself up for bragging rights.

Why, yes, I did stop playing Diablo II.

[krogothwolf]

No.

e: Fuck cheating though.

Say's you! I must win every time, I MUST! Winning isn't everything, IT'S THE ONLY THING!

Cheating sucks, it's also the reason why sporting events have rules and refs. To try to prevent the cheating as much as possible. It still doesn't stop the players from doing it, either with fowls behind the refs, or blatant dives to draw a penalty. So video game isn't much different. All you can do Seil is report him and hope for the best.

Though I'll cheat in single player games, never multiplayer, defeats the purpose behind multiplayer, to challenge yourself against humans who actually think on their own.

[Azisien]

God damn it I hate cheaters, may they be consumed by bees and lasers! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_rUTL_lCRg&feature=related)

[ZAKtheGeek]

Now, it is one thing to die because someone is a better player than you. It's one thing to die when you do something stupid. Itis another thing entirely to die because some fuckwit doesn't have the courtesy to give you a fair game.
More importantly, it's one thing to win because what you did in the game beat what the other guy did in the game, but it's quite another to win by adding a "win" button to the game. What's even the point? Might as well just declare yourself the winner beforehand and not even play.

[Mannix]

More importantly, it's one thing to win because what you did in the game beat what the other guy did in the game, but it's quite another to win by adding a "win" button to the game. What's even the point? Might as well just declare yourself the winner beforehand and not even play.

Because winning isn't what gets them off per se; ruining other peoples' day is.

[Seil]

I think that it's just that they want to play the game, 'cause it's fun, but they also want to win. They're not necessarily trying to be assholes (they are anyway) they see it is giving themselves an advantage.

[Nique]

If you change the parameters of the game you are effectivley no longer playing the game, thus defeating the purpose of playing the godamn game.

[ZAKtheGeek]

If you change the parameters of the game you are effectivley no longer playing the game, thus defeating the purpose of playing the godamn game.
This is totally the thing I'm saying.

[Mannix]

I think that it's just that they want to play the game, 'cause it's fun, but they also want to win. They're not necessarily trying to be assholes (they are anyway) they see it is giving themselves an advantage.

A lot of multiplayer games have mods or modes that incorporate the use of bots. If it was just about winning a fun game they could go there; cheating against other people provides a kind of sadistic jolly that can't be found beating something that doesn't have emotions.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

I don't think I often encounter cheaters these days to be honest. Occasionally I run across boosters, who are just pathetically grinding for xp for no reason, but I just ignore them and win the game while they're all fucking about. Very rare I ever see someone exploiting a glitch online though, last time I saw someone do that it was on TF2 when engies found a way to get beneath the map and set up turrets to keep you pinned in the spawn.

I do confess to pretty much cheating my way through Deus Ex every time I go back and play it; it's just too easy to quicksave/quickload your way past every obstacle while expending the minumum amount of resources to gain the maximum effect. And then there's the Jesus Time effect which just makes you completely all-powerful near the end. Good times.

[Aldurin]

I remember back when MAG was actually popular that there were guys who would cheat by manipulating their lag with the host server (apparently you need your Playstation to acknowledge the damage before you die) and they would just take a shitload of bullets (more than necessary for a guy with heavy armor and health boost) and then kill me. And the sniping was so freakin' hard I'm not sure if all of those snipers were actually doing it without help.

The only justified cheating I can think of in multiplayer is if you're one of the guys who made the game and you're just fucking with the rules without actually participating so that you can watch them panic like a bunch of headless chickens in a stage where the walls are firing rockets at them.

The only justified cheating in single player is if you're developing a game and you need to get to a certain part quickly to test a bugfix, or if the game is too freakin' long for you to be patient. Or if you've done everything there is to do without cheats and you don't want to keep it boring.

But yes, people cheating at multiplayer games is wrong as not everybody has the knowledge to cheat back.

Wait, I got an idea. "HackWars". Simply a heavily versatile game engine with only the essential features to start with. It would make cheating a requirement and encourage computer literacy.

[Azisien]

And just to flip the tables around:

Hey, People Who Knee-Jerk Accuse People Of Cheating In Videogames:

Your numbers are too high. Seriously, I suck at SC2 and I've been accused of "mad hax" twice already.

Back when I played original CoD, or even Modern Warfare 2 or Team Fortress 2, I wouldn't go a day without being accused of hacking or aimbotting or wall hacking or what have you. I'm not even a top tier player in any of these games (except maybe original CoD, back in the day). While cheating is out there, more often than not, peeps are just shooting you first. Aimbotting, for instance, is usually pretty obvious to spot.

Or, you know, the flying.

[Julford Hajime]

And just to flip the tables around:

Hey, People Who Knee-Jerk Accuse People Of Cheating In Videogames:

Your numbers are too high. Seriously

This too. My brother is one of those people that EVERY death in Halo 3 has to be from some jackass that's purposely lagging, or has a wallhack so that he knows exactly where to throw the grenade. He rarely ever admits "Okay yeah, that guy got me," and instead bitches about the bullshit of how that last kill shouldn't have happened.

Then again, that's just part of the gaming experience, based on what I've seen of people who get really into the game >.>

[PyrosNine]

Hackers can go burn in an especially painful fire while being dragged around a salt desert by giant bee-spitting cats with laser vision.

I'd be just happy with the laser vision. Bee-spitting seems like one big can of worms of discomfort for the cats with laser vision.

I certainly wouldn't want to start spitting bees.

I hate Trolling cheaters. When they are cheating regularly, but not even trying to disguise it or hide it, cheating blatantly to piss everyone else off. Gunz for instance, had numerous jerks running around with external tools. Now, it wasn't too bad for the people making themselves live forever. They had to turn on death sometime, or get kicked for how obvious they weren't dying. As when you die, you can see through other people's view and see their stats, and whatnot.

But the real problem were the flying chainsaw sword wielders with machine gun rocket launchers. The chainsaw effect was them swinging their sword several times a second, in all directions, making a grinding noise. The rocket launcher cheat made them fire rockets as if it was coming out of the automatic rifle, with a string of explosions that if it doesn't kill the target, the sheer lag or processing of the rockets could crash the game or the target's computer. And It doesn't get any more blatant than that. Their main purpose was to enter a legitimate game, pull cheatjutsu, and start murdering people until they all left, or till the bickering players could vote the cheater off the map, which some tools could prevent as well to an extent.

With updates and now there being more Gunz moderators to deal appropriately with rulebreakers, cheating isn't as often, but you'll still bump into the naked chicks who hover above the ground firing a million explosions of death at their opponents like a vengeful Valkyrie, finally deciding she had enough of that bitch of a twin sister, and Freya could go sleep with that multi-legged horse.

Now also on the subject of cheating, I find that exploits within the game engine itself are fairly okay. If they are abused by a lot of people for unfairness, the more likely it will spur the programmers to fix it. If they are abused by a lot of people, and it enhances gameplay for all, then it will probably be honed, added to the game's list of features, and explained for beginners.

And the fact that people will stumble around to find ways to abuse the game engine is kind of a respectable course of action, when you can get a cool video of a guy in Modern Warfare 2 who, by careful use of a respawn perk in a certain area, will ascend almost magically up into the air onto an invisible roof to get a few sniper shots.

Who will then get shot down pretty quickly, because MWF's first person kill cam that gives away his position, as well as the fact that he's very, very visible in the sky, with no cover.

[bluestarultor]

This too. My brother is one of those people that EVERY death in Halo 3 has to be from some jackass that's purposely lagging, or has a wallhack so that he knows exactly where to throw the grenade. He rarely ever admits "Okay yeah, that guy got me," and instead bitches about the bullshit of how that last kill shouldn't have happened.

Then again, that's just part of the gaming experience, based on what I've seen of people who get really into the game >.>

Tell him to get into DFO and see if it still happens. See, DFO actually penalizes people for lagging or having flaky connections in PVP. If someone's connection drops, the win automatically goes to the opposite team and if you're in a free-for-all, when one person lags, the whole team lags.

If he still doesn't shut up about that stuff, you can innocently tell him how it works and then dig the glass out of his hand when he punches the screen.

[CABAL49]

This one match of Halo 3. I was playing with two other friends, and we would usually tease our random teammate(s). But this one time our teammate was friends with the other team. He spawn killed us giving the other team a chance to grab power weapons and we got spawn killed pretty bad. We almost turned it into a win, but we couldn't do 3v5 with such a disadvantage.

[Viridis]

The only justified cheating I can think of in multiplayer is if you're one of the guys who made the game and you're just fucking with the rules without actually participating so that you can watch them panic like a bunch of headless chickens in a stage where the walls are firing rockets at them.I agree with this bit. Behold Robin Walker and Tom Francis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1vEb_F6crU) of TF2, titans of the battlefield.

[Seil]

And just to flip the tables around:Hey, People Who Knee-Jerk Accuse People Of Cheating In Videogames:Your numbers are too high. Seriously, I suckat SC2 and I've been accused of "mad hax" twice already.

I've actually messaged the guy and he admitted to using hacks.

[Azisien]

I wasn't saying it specifically to your case, Seil, just, to the world in general.

[Seil]

Well, I am one of the first people to call "Hax" when someone's just better than me.

Even to this day I yell at spies on my TV, or engies, who kill me repeatedly during a match. But then, there are people who are just better than me:

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u59/Poetisch/0145.png

[Viridis]

Because Seil. (http://biggercheese.com/index.php?comic=145)