Nintendo Fall 2010 Conference ~ 3DS! 3DS! 3DS!

[Regulus Tera]

http://www.abload.de/img/boom_mio_nintendo_confyim2.gif

From the makers of Sonic in Brawl, Sin and Punishment revival, and DSi -now Xtra Large!, comes another night of hype, love, and rejoice!

Blogs:
http://ds.ign.com/articles/112/1124149p1.html
http://www.vooks.net/story-19587-Nintendo-3DS-Event-Live-Blog-and-Updates.html
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/09/29/nintendo_conf_live_blog/

Twitter from the event:
http://twitter.com/markmacd

Nintendo is expected to announce the Japanese release for the console in about an hour. European press was invited, so that's hope for you!

EDIT: IT BEGINS

Kirby's Epic Yarn Commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK5DVdl7lkQ)
Single Player and Co-op: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hj7NTHt1bw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ-LFvZZxe0

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Can't wait to hear about any features the system has that we didn't see at E3.

As well as the price too.

[Regulus Tera]

Final design:

http://a.yfrog.com/img25/9152/9esq.jpg

BETTER HAVE OTHER COLOURS

Wii Remote Plus: Wii Remote plus Motion Plus.
DSiLL yadda yadda special Mario 25th Anniversary yadda yadda
NOW THEY TALKING ABOUT 3DS
Miis on 3DS aha
markmacd: Light on upper-right of 3DS unit, practically on R shoulder, shows when your console has passed another 3DS n got data [via Twitter]
Yoshinori Ono confirms Wi-Fi functionality on Super Street Fighter IV 3D
Love Plus 3D I would give a fuck except I don't cause that's creepy
Mii Studio: Make Miis on the go, take a picture of your face and add it to them... in 3D!
"After this, you can just adjust the various parts to create your Mii." Yes, this is delicious, yes.
Something about the 3DS being able to merge two photos meh.
"14:37 -- You can press the system's Home button to use the system's other functionality even in mid game." If this is implying it doesn't stop the game then HOLY FUCK MEGATON
Some Augmented Reality games come with the device.

[phil_]

BETTER HAVE OTHER COLOURSIt's blue; I want blue.

[Azisien]

I'll be honest I'm pretty excited about the 3DS. I have a nest egg saved up at EB Games for it and everything.

[Regulus Tera]

THIS NEEDS A NEW POST

VIRTUAL CONSOLE FOR GB AND GBA GAMES CONFIRMED

2GB SD Card included with the device.

[bluestarultor]

Welp, it's official. Nintendo's quashing the competition via shameless copying. :rolleyes:


In all seriousness, though, if half the rumors about the PSP2 are true, then Sony's doing the same thing.

It's not necessarily a bad thing; just an easy target.

[Regulus Tera]

I'm sorry Blues but when Golden Sun 1 and 2 get ported to PSN Classics then we'll talk.

Also seems like VC games can be seen in 3D woooooah

Chocobo Racing 3DS confirmed.

North American and European launch in MARCH YES MY WALLET IS FREE FOR DECEMBER
Japanese Release February 26, 25k yen THAT'S A SHITLOAD seriously that's more than the freaking Wii

Launch colours = blue and black. I am shocked and appalled by this unexpected turn of events.

Super Mario Land and The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening DX confirmed for VC.

Resident Evil: The Mercenaries and Resident Evil: Revolution in development.

And that was it. Holy fuck, it's expensive as hell. Videos and such should be posted whenever I get some sleezzzzz

WAAAIT Tetsuya Nomura on stage now. Oh it was a video, I bet fuck shit was announced. Oh they'll do more games after KH. Booring Zelda Skyward Sword for 2011 we knew that and Last Story by the end of January in Japan (Nintendo of America FUCK YOU).

Wait, wait, RHYTHM HEAVEN for Wii?!

[Grimpond]

I still have my GBA copies of golden sun 1 and 2! They're still damn good

[Regulus Tera]

Mega Man Legends 3 for 3DS (http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=137575)

Inafune is forgiven for his idiocy

[bluestarultor]

Mega Man Legends 3 for 3DS (http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=137575)

Inafune is forgiven for his idiocy

:eek:

Joy! :dance:

[phil_]

RHYTHM HEAVEN for Wii?!Oh, look at that, I'm now unreservedly looking forward to an upcoming release again. That was pretty quick, seeing as Sin and Punishment 2 only came out in June.

[Julford Hajime]

Mega Man Legends 3 for 3DS (http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=137575)

Inafune is forgiven for his idiocy
pleasebetruepleasebetruepleasebetrue :ohdear:

The opening sequence from Legends 2 too stands as one of my favorite nostalgic moments in gaming, if only for Data running around and screaming "I was just trying to cook pizza!" Something about being ten (If not younger) and my little brother getting such a huge laugh out of that line just sticks with me.

[EVILNess]

Here is hoping we actually have a resolution instead of a big 'ol TO BE CONT... like at the end of Megaman Legends 2. Which was released 10 YEARS AGO.

Who does Capcom think they are? Blizzard?

[Donomni]

Mega Man Legends 3 for 3DS (http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=137575)

Inafune is forgiven for his idiocy

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu198/ecostarr/onoz_omg2.gif

Dancing was had.

Literally.

Also, you might not want to look at my Twitter, I think I totally spazzed.

[Kim]

Welp, it's official. Nintendo's quashing the competition via shameless copying. :rolleyes:

Says the guy who bought Playstation Move.

It looks like Ocarina of Time remake wasn't just a tech demo like some said it might be. It has a 2011 release date. I'm pumped for that. Snake Eater 3D also looks pretty rad, and there are a couple other random games on there I'm interested in checking out. Apparently American release date is confirmed as March 2011, so I guess that's when I need to have all my money saved up for it.

[Marc v4.0]

It looks like Ocarina of Time remake wasn't just a tech demo like some said it might be. It has a 2011 release date.

I am 13 years old all over again, and dancing

[Regulus Tera]

Images of OoT3D: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=408730

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPCsFAmIxCM&feature=player_embedded

Tales of the Douchebag 3D Announced: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=408735
Fatal Frame 2 remake: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=408752
Professor Layton and the Mask of Miracle trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBf5Hg9djy0
Software lineups: http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/24149
Super street fighter iv 3d http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lacWTZQA5wE

[bluestarultor]

Says the guy who bought Playstation Move.

Damn straight. All the tech on the market right now came from Sony research. Kinect's IR tech? Sony experimenting with the EyeToy. Move wand? That's EyeToy research, too.

Okay, that's a lie. Not ALL the tech is from Sony. The Wii and MotionPlus weren't from Sony research. The Wii-mote just uses basic light gun technology. The MotionPlus is just a gyroscope. So the only thing they ripped off Sony was the idea of motion gaming in today's market.

Oh, and in before the Nav Controller, Sony already had plans to combine the standard controller with the Move wand in testing and even patented a way to track it by the LEDs. They just made the Nav Controller based on user feedback concerning the SixAxis being awkward to hold in one hand. So they just cut what they already had in half. It has no motion sensing capabilities or means of tracking it in 3D space. So it's not even really ripping of the Nunchuck. Just making the buttons they already had easier to access.


Get with the program. For a guy with a gaming magazine, you sure are behind on your research. :P

[The Mirror Emperor]

It looks like whoever designed the 3DS didn't want to come up with a sleeker or a different design so he just slapped a joystick on there.

I'll admit, though, I'm interested in the slated Paper Mario release and the Kid Icarus....other than that, I'm going to keep my expectations at an all time minimum.

[Loyal]

It looks like Ocarina of Time remake wasn't just a tech demo like some said it might be.The way I heard it, it was a tech demo when it was first shown, until massive public response prompted an upgrade to "Well, we're remaking OOT."

Welp, it's official. Nintendo's quashing the competition via shameless copying. Welcome to the industry? Did you have a point exactly?

[Regulus Tera]

It looks like whoever designed the 3DS didn't want to come up with a sleeker or a different design so he just slapped a joystick on there.

How else do you expect them to sell you a redesign two years later?

[Nique]

I keep hearing 'Wii HD' is that a thing? A thing that will happen?

[bluestarultor]

I keep hearing 'Wii HD' is that a thing? A thing that will happen?

A thing that will happen when Nintendo decides the HDTV market is saturated. They've made no secret they'll do it, but not until the Wii's good and done.

[Magus]

It's called "incorporating and improving innovative ideas", Blues, not "ripping off". Obviously. :D

I'll probably get one of these when it is on its third or fourth incarnation rather than first thing, but I definitely want one. They have me genuinely excited about the games and graphics.

What with Snake Eater 3D being put on it, I'd really like to get a hold of a port of Portable Ops and Peace Walker. They need to make it so!

And a port of the new Final Fantasy Tactics remake would be cool too, although Squarenix will probably just be like 'YEAH WE DEVELOPING NEW FFTA3:GIANT ASS NAME FOR 3DS, THE CONTINUING NON-POLITICAL BACKSTABBING AND NON-RELIGIOUS TENSION ADVENTURES IN OUR MAGICAL WORLD OF IVALICE-LAME', 'cause they can't seem to just go ahead and make a sequel that is like the first one in its plot and execution.

EDIT: Oh, and my main concern with 3DS? The abolition of the friend code system. That was quite easily the worst thing about the regular DS. There needs to be a system where you can easily connect with your friends via the internet, instead of a broken system based around the unrealistic fear that your child will be tracked down and raped repeatedly because they got on an online game with their DS.

Of course, it would help if developers would get on the ball and actually incorporate online modes into their DS games, but that is a different matter out of Nintendo's hands.

[Marc v4.0]

Damn straight. All the tech on the market right now came from Sony research. Kinect's IR tech? Sony experimenting with the EyeToy. Move wand? That's EyeToy research, too.

Okay, that's a lie. Not ALL the tech is from Sony. The Wii and MotionPlus weren't from Sony research. The Wii-mote just uses basic light gun technology. The MotionPlus is just a gyroscope. So the only thing they ripped off Sony was the idea of motion gaming in today's market.

Oh, and in before the Nav Controller, Sony already had plans to combine the standard controller with the Move wand in testing and even patented a way to track it by the LEDs. They just made the Nav Controller based on user feedback concerning the SixAxis being awkward to hold in one hand. So they just cut what they already had in half. It has no motion sensing capabilities or means of tracking it in 3D space. So it's not even really ripping of the Nunchuck. Just making the buttons they already had easier to access.


Get with the program. For a guy with a gaming magazine, you sure are behind on your research. :P

It still doesn't matter seeing as how Sony ripped their entire gaming existence off of Nintendo in the first place. I had personally been looking forward to the SNES-CD.

And differing Technology aside, the Move wand is totally just a black Wiimote with a Ball on it, and they could have done a little more work to make it not look exactly like they just copied the idea.

[Regulus Tera]

Pics of 1st party games: http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/09/29/3ds_first_party_screens/

Kid Icarus is Sin and Punishment 3, pretty much. <3

Trailer for Metal Gear Solid 3DS: Snake Eater: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf6hRFXlQco

[mudah.swf]

Awesome, another Tales game for Namco to not release outside of Japan.

[bluestarultor]

Welcome to the industry? Did you have a point exactly?

It's called "incorporating and improving innovative ideas", Blues, not "ripping off". Obviously. :D

It still doesn't matter seeing as how Sony ripped their entire gaming existence off of Nintendo in the first place. I had personally been looking forward to the SNES-CD.

And differing Technology aside, the Move wand is totally just a black Wiimote with a Ball on it, and they could have done a little more work to make it not look exactly like they just copied the idea.

I hope you guys aren't being serious, 'cause I sure wasn't. ;)

On the Move looking like the Wii-mote, it was bound to be compared no matter what they did. It could have incorporated a gun-to-sword transformation function with a built-in hand guard and people would still have the same arguments because it's a controller you swing around.

[Regulus Tera]

Blues for all the argument you make about Nintendo copying Sony, remember: Six-Axis, Rumble, Analog Sticks.

[Marc v4.0]

I hope you guys aren't being serious, 'cause I sure wasn't. ;)

On the Move looking like the Wii-mote, it was bound to be compared no matter what they did. It could have incorporated a gun-to-sword transformation function with a built-in hand guard and people would still have the same arguments because it's a controller you swing around.

My point was they didn't even try, by the looks of it. The whole design makes me think "Smooth the edges of it, bitches love smoothed edges"

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Mega Man Legends 3 for 3DS (http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=137575)

Inafune is forgiven for his idiocy



YES!!!


Thank Infune! THANK YOU!!! YOU ARE MY NEW BEST FRIEND IN THE WHOLE WORLD!

THERE IS A GOD! HE'S SMILING UPON US!

[Grimpond]

YES!!!


Thank Infune! THANK YOU!!! YOU ARE MY NEW BEST FRIEND IN THE WHOLE WORLD!

THERE IS A GOD! HE'S SMILING UPON US!

FTFY

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Ah, thank you. ^^;

Anyway Tales of Abyss 3DS might be a sequel seeing as Abyss is like the FFVII of the Tale of Series (loved by many but also kind of overrated). Still if it's a sequel then Luke may not be a douchebag anymore seeing as he became a nice guy mid game after nuking a city by mistake in an attempt to "become a hero". Though he'll probably have his hair as long as it was at the beginning of the first game seeing as he fused with Ashe after stopping Van at the end of the game.

[Kim]

I'm gonna have Paula use Pray and hope Mother 3 gets an official translation for the GBA Virtual Console thing they mentioned. That's a game I would really like to support with my money.

[Aldurin]

THIS NEEDS A NEW POST

VIRTUAL CONSOLE FOR GB AND GBA GAMES CONFIRMED

2GB SD Card included with the device.

So this is like the DSi with the stuff they shouldn't have left behind from the DSlite, and more? This might actually be worthwhile.

I was pissed that I couldn't play Sonic Advance 3 on my DSi, now that all changes.

[bluestarultor]

Blues for all the argument you make about Nintendo copying Sony, remember: Six-Axis, Rumble, Analog Sticks.

And as I also mentioned, everybody does it. I was trying to be humorous. :rolleyes:

My point was they didn't even try, by the looks of it. The whole design makes me think "Smooth the edges of it, bitches love smoothed edges"

Well, there's the whole "length vs. girth" argument, too. ;)

Seriously, though, what did you expect them to do? One is a variation on a flat remote, the other is an ergonomic wand. I've used them both. Even on a purely tactile scale, the Move is just better.

See, the main issue is everyone came in with preconceptions. Side by side, they're incredibly different. They share only a couple features:

Shared:
- trigger
- central thumb button

Move:
- easily accessible face buttons
- lit orb for visual feedback
- more ergonomic
- real positional tracking with amazing dead reckoning
- does what it was supposed to out of the box

Wii-mote:
- buttons all over the place
- speaker for sound feedback
- feels like holding a brick with optional condom
- only works when pointed directly at the screen out of box (and loves to tweak)
- needs the MotionPlus to do what they advertised


If you have one in each hand, the differences are readily apparent and quite striking. They don't feel, look, or work the same way at all. I will stand right here and say outright that the Move is superior in nearly every way. It's just better tech. Comparing the Move to the Wii-mote is like comparing the Kinect to a light gun.

[Marc v4.0]

And as I also mentioned, everybody does it. I was trying to be humorous. :rolleyes:



Well, there's the whole "length vs. girth" argument, too. ;)

Seriously, though, what did you expect them to do? One is a variation on a flat remote, the other is an ergonomic wand. I've used them both. Even on a purely tactile scale, the Move is just better.

See, the main issue is everyone came in with preconceptions. Side by side, they're incredibly different. They share only a couple features:

Shared:
- trigger
- central thumb button

Move:
- easily accessible face buttons
- lit orb for visual feedback
- more ergonomic
- real positional tracking with amazing dead reckoning
- does what it was supposed to out of the box

Wii-mote:
- buttons all over the place
- speaker for sound feedback
- feels like holding a brick with optional condom
- only works when pointed directly at the screen out of box (and loves to tweak)
- needs the MotionPlus to do what they advertised


If you have one in each hand, the differences are readily apparent and quite striking. They don't feel, look, or work the same way at all. I will stand right here and say outright that the Move is superior in nearly every way. It's just better tech. Comparing the Move to the Wii-mote is like comparing the Kinect to a light gun.


..I don't remember anyone saying that the obviously NEW technology isn't better then the obviously OLD technology so..uh..ok?

Oh, for reference, Comparisons where you line only the pros of one thing up with only the cons of another are an insult to the intelligence of the people you present them to. It's a really lame way of showing a 'point' and doesn't even serve that purpose unless you already agree with the pre-determined viewpoint.

[bluestarultor]

..I don't remember anyone saying that the obviously NEW technology isn't better then the obviously OLD technology so..uh..ok?

Oh, for reference, Comparisons where you line only the pros of one thing up with only the cons of another are an insult to the intelligence of the people you present them to. It's a really lame way of showing a 'point' and doesn't even serve that purpose unless you already agree with the pre-determined viewpoint.

Sorry, I'm not on my game today. Dealing with the prospect of my biggest time-sink (yes, even NPF has been surpassed) going under. Wikia's cranking out a Godawful update that's going to completely ruin FF Wiki and pretty much every other one along with it against mountains of negative user and tester feedback. A lot of the biggest wikis are already jumping ship and it's come to the debate of whether we should follow suit. My debating skills have been used up elsewhere and it's left me frustrated, because there's jack shit I, or anyone else for that matter, can do about Wikia's fucking horrible decision. -_-#


PS - the technologies are essentially the same bloody age. Sony just took more time to develop theirs.
PPS - It wasn't comparing only the pros with the cons; it was comparing their features in relevant categories. Yeah, I came off that way, and I see it. But what exactly am I supposed to put otherwise? Move is better tech. Yeah, it's going to have an upset.

At any rate, I'm feeling a bit drained. Today has not been a good day and I'd rather not continue the discussion further. Simply put, the Move isn't the Wii any more than it's a dog or human being. Comparing the two based on only tenuous similarities holds about as much water as a sieve.

[Marc v4.0]

PS - the technologies are essentially the same bloody age. Sony just took more time to develop theirs.

The underlying technology, but I'm sure they didn't use decade old tech components, Sony having the advantage to spring for better shit since they released much later with Nintendo unable to update the physical products too much without added cost.

And still, sound business practice aside, at least Microsoft made something different that is the same. Sony looks like they took the exact same concept and applied a different technology to achieve the exact same goal while looking as much as possible like they just copied the whole thing. Perceptions are important, and I know a lot of people not even giving it a second look cause "Sony is just copy-catting Nintendo and not even trying to hide it"

[bluestarultor]

The underlying technology, but I'm sure they didn't use decade old tech components, Sony having the advantage to spring for better shit since they released much later with Nintendo unable to update the physical products too much without added cost.

And still, sound business practice aside, at least Microsoft made something different that is the same. Sony looks like they took the exact same concept and applied a different technology to achieve the exact same goal while looking as much as possible like they just copied the whole thing. Perceptions are important, and I know a lot of people not even giving it a second look cause "Sony is just copy-catting Nintendo and not even trying to hide it"

I really could argue about the Eye and EyeToy and Kinect, but I really don't feel like continuing this.

[Marc v4.0]

Wait, what exactly about them?

[bluestarultor]

Wait, what exactly about them?

Like, say, how nobody is railing on Microsoft for copying the IR tech that Sony pioneered with the EyeToy and that controllerless gaming is nothing new because Sony's had it for two generations. Sony just gets flak for taking their controllerless gaming and adding a controller to it because they decided controllerless gaming sucked. The Eye is capable of everything Kinect is with the right libraries. Look at the EyePet. The Eye was able to track users' hands well enough in 3D space to do things like pet it, no fancy IR camera necessary. Overhead? Plenty, I'm sure. But still possible.

The tech in all the systems is not unique, but it seems Microsoft is getting off easy, ironically, because they're two steps behind.

[Kim]

I thought Microsoft was getting off easy because everyone knows Kinect is awful so there's really no discussion to be had.

[Marc v4.0]

I give Sony flak over it because it seems to be a running theme with them from where I stand.

Re: Kinect

Is it really the exact same technology, though? Has that been shown? I'm not aware either way, but I'm willing to give MS a little more room on it because 1) The IR tech isn't anything new by any means and Sony didn't 'pioneer' IR technology so much as 'adapt to gaming', 2) The EyeToy itself was a rather gimmicky flop and there really is no way the EyeToy could be "As capable" running on older technology and out-dated research/resources, 3) There are only so many technological pathways you can take to making controller-less/motion gaming so yeah there has to be overlap in the medium and 4) They can all suck it before the might of http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4549162/757929-wizard1989_super.jpg


EVEN SO, None of this really excuses Sony for not trying to make their product stand out more from the competition then just being a smooth black wiimote with a ball. Techno-Jargon and all that aside, to the common demographic that doesn't know all the shit we know, it looks like Sony is just ripping off the Wii, and that is not an image you want to plant in customers.

EDIT: I thought Microsoft was getting off easy because everyone knows Kinect is awful so there's really no discussion to be had.

That too, but I hesitate to fall back on it because I once said the X-box was a stupid idea and Microsoft should stick to the business it knows best and look what happened.

Double EDIT: Really, blues, my main point here is presentation. I know you aren't impressed with how the technologies are being man-handled here and there, but it is an entirely different discussion off of what I was trying to get across. When Company A does something that is popular and they get lots of sales for it, Game B is going to adapt the idea as well, of course, but they will give it a radical new look and take advantage of the eventual tiring of Company A's product. That is good. "Wow, it looks new and exciting! I want to buy it! I need to buy Product B and it's new Enhancement!" is what B wants people to think. When Company B takes the idea and makes it look and play almost exactly like Company A's product, even if they use a different technology to achieve the same/better outcome, people are going to think "Why should I buy Product B, and then shell out for Product B's new Enhancement, when it's the same thing as A, and A already comes like that!" Pushing the Consoles to new people is really what they want to be doing, and Sony needs to be doing that cause they're still lagging behind Wii and the 360 in sales Worldwide.

[Azisien]

As far as gaming goes, the software support is really what matters in the end. We can all adapt to a control scheme I guess. Sure there's hardware differences, but the biggest difference is in the games. Kinect does seem a little laggy, but, if it had a great selection of games, it will be great. But it won't. Move actually works well as far as motion hardware goes. Sports Champions shows some of its promise. Does it have a great selection of games, or will it? That's a pretty big uncertainty. Everything except for Sports Champions is shit, so far, and Sports Champions itself is fine but not really a ball-buster or anything. I think the Wii is pretty shitty hardware too but at least it's got some good games, albeit most of them don't require any motion control.

HOW BOUT THAT 3DS THOUGH, HUH?

I found the Super Street Fighter IV trailer to be hilarious for some reason. I think in my mind I substituted the little silhouette flash animations for actual Japanese people. Much funnier.

[Locke cole]

As far as gaming goes, the software support is really what matters in the end. We can all adapt to a control scheme I guess. Sure there's hardware differences, but the biggest difference is in the games. Kinect does seem a little laggy, but, if it had a great selection of games, it will be great. But it won't. Move actually works well as far as motion hardware goes. Sports Champions shows some of its promise. Does it have a great selection of games, or will it? That's a pretty big uncertainty. Everything except for Sports Champions is shit, so far, and Sports Champions itself is fine but not really a ball-buster or anything. I think the Wii is pretty shitty hardware too but at least it's got some good games, albeit most of them don't require any motion control.

HOW BOUT THAT 3DS THOUGH, HUH?

I found the Super Street Fighter IV trailer to be hilarious for some reason. I think in my mind I substituted the little silhouette flash animations for actual Japanese people. Much funnier.

Yeah, the trailer was pretty intere-A NEW WARRIOR HAS ENTERED THE RING!!!!

[Kyanbu The Legend]

I give Sony flak over it because it seems to be a running theme with them from where I stand.

Re: Kinect

Is it really the exact same technology, though? Has that been shown? I'm not aware either way, but I'm willing to give MS a little more room on it because 1) The IR tech isn't anything new by any means and Sony didn't 'pioneer' IR technology so much as 'adapt to gaming', 2) The EyeToy itself was a rather gimmicky flop and there really is no way the EyeToy could be "As capable" running on older technology and out-dated research/resources, 3) There are only so many technological pathways you can take to making controller-less/motion gaming so yeah there has to be overlap in the medium and 4) They can all suck it before the might of http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4549162/757929-wizard1989_super.jpg


EVEN SO, None of this really excuses Sony for not trying to make their product stand out more from the competition then just being a smooth black wiimote with a ball. Techno-Jargon and all that aside, to the common demographic that doesn't know all the shit we know, it looks like Sony is just ripping off the Wii, and that is not an image you want to plant in customers.

EDIT:

That too, but I hesitate to fall back on it because I once said the X-box was a stupid idea and Microsoft should stick to the business it knows best and look what happened.

Double EDIT: Really, blues, my main point here is presentation. I know you aren't impressed with how the technologies are being man-handled here and there, but it is an entirely different discussion off of what I was trying to get across. When Company A does something that is popular and they get lots of sales for it, Game B is going to adapt the idea as well, of course, but they will give it a radical new look and take advantage of the eventual tiring of Company A's product. That is good. "Wow, it looks new and exciting! I want to buy it! I need to buy Product B and it's new Enhancement!" is what B wants people to think. When Company B takes the idea and makes it look and play almost exactly like Company A's product, even if they use a different technology to achieve the same/better outcome, people are going to think "Why should I buy Product B, and then shell out for Product B's new Enhancement, when it's the same thing as A, and A already comes like that!" Pushing the Consoles to new people is really what they want to be doing, and Sony needs to be doing that cause they're still lagging behind Wii and the 360 in sales Worldwide.

Exactly,


In the world of techology It really doesn't matter who did it first. Only the ones who did it best matter. That's why people praise the move as something new even though it's the same thing in the end with a few improvements.

Arguing or even trying to prove a point with it is utterly pointless because you would have to compare every and I mean EVERY invention and innovation ever made to prove your point.

Everything is simply based off of and/or an improvement of something else somebody made.

Hell if you wanted to incorporate a motion system on your console. Would you chose not to simply because someone else did it already?

Also Nintendo was trying to START a trend with motion controllers. They were trying to change the game. Making a sale was just a cooperate necessity.

They were jumping with joy when they learned about the move and Kinetic. Because it means they started something that everyone will enjoy someday.

Arguably Sony and MS did actually what big N wanted them to do. Improve and push motion gaming.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I'm not sure how you steal "IR tech" seeing as it is incredibly old and used by fuckloads of industries for shitloads ofdifferent things. Like I'm going to start complaining the everyone is stealing from Atari because they have microprocessing chips in their computer.
And everyone is still ripping off the powerglove anyway.

[mudah.swf]

Ah, thank you. ^^;

Anyway Tales of Abyss 3DS might be a sequel seeing as Abyss is like the FFVII of the Tale of Series (loved by many but also kind of overrated). Still if it's a sequel then Luke may not be a douchebag anymore seeing as he became a nice guy mid game after nuking a city by mistake in an attempt to "become a hero". Though he'll probably have his hair as long as it was at the beginning of the first game seeing as he fused with Ashe after stopping Van at the end of the game.

As far as I'm aware Bamco confirmed that it was a port, probably with the US version features retained, not a sequel. The few screens shown look identical to the PS2 version, on a smaller screen, so it's a port. I also hope that Namco decide to stick with the 3DS and PS3 for Tales games from now on, since nobody wants to have to buy every console to keep up with a series anymore.

edit: Super SF4 3DS has a behind-the shoulder view in 3D mode (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STxhO-cjQbQ&feature=player_embedded).

[Regulus Tera]

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/09/30/3ds_price/


Nintendo CEO Satoru Iwata.
Did you find yourself bubbling with excitement when Nintendo first showed the 3DS at E3 earlier this year? If you answered yes, then you may have contributed to the system's final price.

As reported at Bloomberg, Nintendo CEO Satoru Iwata explained the price decision during an analysts meeting yesterday. Someone suggested that the system's price tag of ¥25,000 yen might be on the high side. Iwata responded that the the price was set by considering a number of factors, including reactions to the system's E3 reveal.

The lesson is, next time Nintendo shows some sweet new hardware, act unimpressed! Please pass the message along to these guys.

Iwata also told analysts that the company's original fiscal outlook was created with the plan to release the 3DS within the calendar year. However, they ended up setting the release to February after considering such areas as supply chains and the product's level of completion.

I hate you all.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I was slagging on the 3DS from day 1. Is not my fault.

[Loyal]

So, $300? Yikes.

[bluestarultor]

@Marc: See, that's the double standard. How does Kinect get away with the argument "there are only so many ways you can do gaming without a controller" when Sony doesn't get the allowance of "there are only so many ways you can swing a controller around" in turn?

Sony's done motion gaming for two generations and decided to add a proper controller because of the inherent issues they found with not having one.

I'm sure you've seen these, but:
3D tracking demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mheOtyWNjV0
Longer version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PtoxKDcCXc&feature=related
IR depth tracking on the PS2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYHr0I-iFHE&feature=related


@Smarty: Not so much the technology as the application.



[Inline Edit:] I'm just going to reiterate there's nothing inherently wrong with this. It happens all the time. If it didn't, we'd all still be living in caves naked and without fire. I'm just saying that it's not a fair assessment to say that only one party is guilty. They're ALL guilty to some degree.


On topic: $300? Yeah, no. Not impressed enough with what they had to show to drop that kind of money on a handheld system. Maybe when the price comes crashing down and it gets some good games.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Ok so long as you admit my new gaming system where I attach IR sensors to spiders and you have to train them to play the games for you as totally original

[Azisien]

Sony's done motion gaming for two generations and decided to add a proper controller because of the inherent issues they found with not having one.

Sony decided to add a proper controller because the Wii started printing money. Honestly, from inception to now, the EyeToy was this distant side thing supported by very few games [20 or so? Almost all first party]. For the PS3 Eye, I'm only seeing like five or six games. Since the Move launched it's already released more, albeit equally shitty games.

This has nothing to do with them suddenly sensing issues with their camera. The only issue they sensed is that it wasn't printing money like the Wii was, and they are attempting to make a market share for themselves.
Edit: Well, I suppose they also sensed that they wouldn't be able to match the immersion factor of the Wii with a webcam that's a couple years old already.

On topic: $300? Yeah, no. Not impressed enough with what they had to show to drop that kind of money on a handheld system. Maybe when the price comes crashing down and it gets some good games.

Agreed. Games are mostly ports, or updates every handheld gets, or remakes. Nothing worth $300 at all, not to mention you also have to buy these games too. If it launches at that price I will not buy one.

[bluestarultor]

Ok so long as you admit my new gaming system where I attach IR sensors to spiders and you have to train them to play the games for you as totally original

Totally. I still wouldn't buy it, though. They die too fast. Upkeep would be a bitch.

Sony decided to add a proper controller because the Wii started printing money. Honestly, from inception to now, the EyeToy was this distant side thing supported by very few games [20 or so? Almost all first party]. For the PS3 Eye, I'm only seeing like five or six games. Since the Move launched it's already released more, albeit equally shitty games.

This has nothing to do with them suddenly sensing issues with their camera. The only issue they sensed is that it wasn't printing money like the Wii was, and they are attempting to make a market share for themselves.
Edit: Well, I suppose they also sensed that they wouldn't be able to match the immersion factor of the Wii with a webcam that's a couple years old already.

That's more the market's fault than Sony's. Well, Sony could have marketed it better, too. Although, yeah, wide-angle mode is crap on the Eye. Maybe it's just the room's poor lighting, but while you can make things out, it's grainy and dark in my experience.

Aside from that, not making any money is a perfectly good issue with not having a controller. :P


Agreed. Games are mostly ports, or updates every handheld gets, or remakes. Nothing worth $300 at all, not to mention you also have to buy these games too. If it launches at that price I will not buy one.

Aside from that, once you look past all the flashy music and action and bright colors, the footage they showed of the games just wasn't all that pretty. This thing is supposed to have better specs than the PSP, but I couldn't help feeling a bit disappointed. It's probably because it was a flat representation of the resources being split between three screens, and I'm sure it's much more impressive hands-on, but still. The lack of attention to Pit's wings saddens me.


Edit: Also, I just realized that for $300, I could buy a PS3.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

When I translated it's price 25000Yen. I got $233.89.

That's not bad.

[Kim]

Nope, Kyanbu. $299

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Welp so much for that. Won't be buying a 3DS then. Ain't worth it anymore.

Nintendo is in a world of trouble. They'll have a fun time trying to move units.

[Nikose Tyris]

Yes I'm absolutely certain Nintendo is going to have trouble moving units.

No these are going to wind up selling like hotcakes just like everything else they push out. Since this actually HAS innovations in it, It'll sell better then the LL. Probably match the DSi sales.

[mudah.swf]

Haha you think people aren't going to buy it.

edit: That was to Kyanbu, oops.

[Locke cole]

As I keep hearing, that yen price does not necessarily mean that it's $300, because the Yen is so strong right now.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Haha you think people aren't going to buy it.

edit: That was to Kyanbu, oops.
If it's truly 300 then it'll have a strong start off. And that's about it. It'd be the PS3 all over again.

Of course this is Nintendo. The Magnificent bastards of the gaming industry. They'll still print money. even it makes no logical sense as to why people would buy it when they could score a Wii/PS3/360 for the same price.

[Kim]

Well, probably because everyone and their dog already has a Wii/PS3/360, except me, and I'd rather have a 3DS anyways.

[bluestarultor]

Yes I'm absolutely certain Nintendo is going to have trouble moving units.

No these are going to wind up selling like hotcakes just like everything else they push out. Since this actually HAS innovations in it, It'll sell better then the LL. Probably match the DSi sales.

Wait, people actually bought the DSi? I know all of zero people who own one of those things. Come to think of it, I can only recall ever hearing about one title for it. :raise:

Looking at the American releases, there's about 210 of them, of which about 30 are golf, 27 are soccer, 15 are basic card games, 35 are music-related, 5 actually sound okay, and the rest are miscellaneous shovelware.

Oh, and they have 20-some non-game apps, too.

In short, the library is shit. Why would someone want one of these?



Edit: Shit! I just realized I wasted my All Seven Fever on the WBC. :(

[Regulus Tera]

The DS has the best library out of this generation. It's like the PSX and the SNES had sex and birthed it under the sacred light of Gunpei Yokoi.

EDIT: Oh, you were talking about DSiware. Okay that's crap.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

People who didn't own a DS previously bought one. I've seen quite a few of them in my area. Including some black guy at a job meeting who was playing a white one while we were waiting for our applications to be reviewed (I was the only person there dressed properly and NOT reading the newspaper, playing a video game, chatting on the phone, chewing gum, talking about something unrelated to the job. I even passed all of the qualifying tests. How I didn't get the job I'll never know.)

[Magus]

Yeah, I'm too cheap to get a 300 dollar PS3 that also plays Blu-Ray discs, why would I drop 300 on a handheld?

At least they are starting at a price where they can drop it to something reasonable in two years.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

The DS has the best library out of this generation. It's like the PSX and the SNES had sex and birthed it under the sacred light of Gunpei Yokoi.

He's talking about the exclusive DSi games and software.