Saxton Hale Fortress 2: Featuring more Saxton Hale updates.

[Revising Ocelot]

Why are you still looking at this thread? You should be looking at the new update (http://www.teamfortress.com/mannconomy/), the new items (http://www.teamfortress.com/mannconomy/item_sets) and punching hippies (http://www.teamfortress.com/bidwells_big_plan/index.html) already.

You're so slow.


Updates to Team Fortress 2 have been released. The updates will be applied automatically when your Steam client is restarted. The major changes include:

Team Fortress 2

* Added the Mann-conomy.
o Added 65 new items (hats, weapons, tools, minigames, gifts, crates).
o Added the Mann Co. Store & Catalog.
o Added Trading.
o Added Item customization.
* Additional TF2 features
o Added new auto-team-scramble system:
+ Set mp_scrambleteams_auto to 1 (default) to automatically scramble the teams if the criteria is met
+ Set mp_scrambleteams_auto_windifference to set the number of round wins a team must lead by in order to trigger an auto scramble (default is 2)
o Updated how Spy disguise targets are selected to more randomly distribute the selections
o Fixed the FreezePanel background not using the correct color if you were killed by a player or building on your own team
o Server browser tweaks
+ It will now encourage you to add servers to Favorites or Blacklists after you have a good/bad experience on them.
+ The Server Browser now automatically closes after successfully connecting to a server (opt-out via the Options-Multiplayer->Advanced dialog)
* Achievement tuning
o Demoman achievement "The Stickening" changed to 3 from 5.
o Heavy achievement "Krazy Ivan" changed to 50 from 100.
o Medic achievement "Consultation" changed to 3 from 5.
o Medic achievement "Peer Review" changed to 10 from 50.
o Medic achievement "Placebo Effect" changed to 2 from from 5.
o Medic achievement "FYI I am A Medic" changed to 1 from 5.
o Medic achievement "Family Practice" changed to 5 from 10.
o Soldier achievement "Geneva Contravention" changed to 3 from 5.
o Scout achievement "Strike Zone" now counts assists.
o Scout achievements "Fall Classic" and "Foul Territory" are fixed.


Engine (CS:S, DoD:S, TF2, HL2:DM)

* Added sv_alltalk to the list of convars that are checked for the sv_tags list.
* Fixed a model instance crash.
* Removed engine ConVar "r_ForceRestore"


Other Games

* Half-Life 2: Deathmatch
o Updated to run on the Orange Box engine with CS:S, DoD:S, and TF2

[The Wandering God]

WTT: Heavy Duty Rag, Demoman's Glengarry Bonnet
LF: Officer's Ushanka, Engineer's Hotrod
Steam ID: http://steamcommunity.com/id/TheWanderingGod/home
Also, I love Valve.

Though I do have to say... WHERE IS THE NEXT MEED THE VIDEO?!

[Geminex]

Wow. That's... That's really, really nice.
The 'spend money to get an advantage' sucks a bit, but as long as you can get the stuff normally, I'm happy.

And I actually came up with the effect for Eternal Reward as well, way back, during the Spy update. Or something pretty similar. Remember discussing it somewhere...

[Revising Ocelot]

Wow. That's... That's really, really nice.
The 'spend money to get an advantage' sucks a bit, but as long as you can get the stuff normally, I'm happy.



All the stuff you can get by paying for it is obtainable as per normal ingame. Not with achievement milestones granted, but the items have crafting blueprints eg. the new rifle = Huntsman + Reclaimed Metal. Besides, exclusive items, maps, whatever as 'pay' features would stray into Korean MMO territory.

[The Wandering God]

Looking at the store now:

WOW!

Gloves of Running Urgently
A Dueling mini-game (You pick an opponent and whoever has killed the other more wins.)
More hats

Wow, I am really tempted to drop actual money here. Still haven't seen prices yet.

[Viridis]

The degreaser has faster weapon switch? That... hm. Sounds interesting for using the Axtingusher.

This is amazing. Valve found a way to create DLC without pissing off the consumer base for the most part. Everywhere I look, people are saying "Since I can still obtain these items normally in-game, I'm fine with the store."

[Revising Ocelot]

This is amazing. Valve found a way to create DLC without pissing off the consumer base for the most part. Everywhere I look, people are saying "Since I can still obtain these items normally in-game, I'm fine with the store."

You should see the Steam forums then... incredible, incredible amounts of rage, more than I've ever seen. But since the amount of rage goes up each update anyway...

[Viridis]

Never visit a game's official forms. WoW, TF2, anything. They are always bubbling pits of rage, from what I've seen. Other, less stupid communities are okay with the store.

Trying to trade a hat as we speak. Not going well. I think because of server congestion.

[Aerozord]

I dont like the bonus for matching set of items. Since if the new items are balanced then that means the bonus makes them unbalanced, while if they are balanced with the bonus then individually they are too weak

[Flarecobra]

Yeah, my loadout won't even load. -_-

[Aerozord]

oh this is completely pointless but, anyone else scroll over the gorilla?

[Viridis]

oh this is completely pointless but, anyone else scroll over the gorilla?Heh, yes. You get a large image if you click it.

Not quite sure what to think of the pyro update. The Degreaser would work nicely with the Axtinguisher, and I'd love to have that speed boost with the regular Flamethrower. Shame you need the whole set for the bonus.


Edit: Traded an extra demo fro for a Whiskered Gentleman. Truly this is a glorious day.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Never visit a game's official forms. WoW, TF2, anything. They are always bubbling pits of rage, from what I've seen

To paraphrase a fellow NPFer (I believe it was Batgirl in the Frogman thread), wandering into the offical forums for any particular game is like falling eyeballs first into a bath of acidic lava with bits of broken glass sticking out of it.

[Wizardcat]

I may be willing to trade the following items: The Black Box. I'm willing to trade it for the defensive buff-banner (forget the name), the Vita-Saw, or the Sydney Sleeper.

I may be willing to trade the following hats: Batter's Helmet, Scotsman's Stove Pipe, Hotrod, Officer's Ushanka, Trophy Belt, or Bill's Hat. Medic hats, particularly Ze Goggles, are more likely to get a trade.

Steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/wizardcat

The Shortstop and the Degreaser are amazing. The latter fits my pyro playstyle, since I use the shotgun more than the flamethrower.

[mauve]

ffffffffff..... Is this a big download? If so, I'm gonna have to start updating the game NOW in order to have it ready and playable in time for the big NPF Valve Funtimes Extravaganza thing this Saturday. :( Being on wireless on crappy rural internets really sucks sometimes. I get a download speed of 25 kb/s on a good day.

[Fifthfiend]

Why are you still looking at this thread? You should be looking at the new update (http://www.teamfortress.com/mannconomy/), the new items (http://www.teamfortress.com/mannconomy/item_sets) and punching hippies (http://www.teamfortress.com/bidwells_big_plan/index.html) already.

You're so slow.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa143/ootherocoo/2udztc3.gif

[Shyria Dracnoir]

DAMNIT FIFTH I WAS FINALLY MAKING PROGRESS WITH THE THERAPY THEN YOU DRAG OUT OLD MEMORIES!

*curls up into fetal position* so much wrestling....

[Fifthfiend]

Really though it's nice that along with the weapon updates I will never, ever, ever fucking get ever there are also now weapon updates I will never get until I break down and pay fifty dollars for them.

[Yrcrazypa]

You can craft them, or get them randomly. I already have a good chunk of them just from crafting. Really, I have most of the ones I wanted most.

[Jagos]

...

I just uninstalled the game a week or two ago...

FUUUUUUU---

[Locke cole]

I love the description of the Holy Mackerel.

Effect: Getting hit by a fish has to be humiliating.

[Aerozord]

I am torn, I want to craft for the new stuff, but you cant get the vintage models anymore and might someday make good trade bait

[Locke cole]

Oh. Heh. "Your Eternal Reward"

Nice reference, whoever made that one.

[Flarecobra]

I still say that it should be called "Doppelganger"

[Locke cole]

Make that into a pun and you've got something.

[Doc ock rokc]

I still say that it should be called "Doppelganger"

Then buy/find a name tag to name it that.
I found a Mannco box...bought a key and got....White paint...
Which I put on my heavy
7530
I am going to rename it RESPECT YOUR ELDERS! once I find a tag (no way I am playing 5 bucks for one)

[Viridis]

Fish kill! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF5feb_2zKI&feature=player_embedded)

Name change! (http://i.imgur.com/N2DI3.jpg)

I wish to try the Degreaser now. Might craft my vintage backburner? Hm. Will probably just wait for another backburner to drop. I'm attached to my vintage items now.

It's sooo amazing
I barely used it because I wasn't feeling pyro tonight ,but damn.
I'm going to wreck people with this.
best thing is, not just axes, but the shotgun. I can light, airblast, and shotgun to the face in a split second.
THERE ARE NO GODS HERE
ONLY PYRO

Edit: From the wiki I learned that A) there were some awesome undocumented changesAdded new "Hifive" taunts for Demoman, Heavy, Medic, Pyro, Scout, Sniper, Soldier and Spy.

Removed the cooldown timer from the Sandvich and the Dalokohs Bar.
and B), anyone who didn't get a Cheater's Lament the first time is apparently getting one now

[Locke cole]

I wonder why.

[Jagos]

No more reason to divide the community?

Or maybe it's a reward for the Golden Wrench fiasco...

[Flarecobra]

Then buy/find a name tag to name it that.

I would if I could, where it not for a couple things.

A: Checkout doesn't seem to want to work
B: I don't have one yet.

[Aerozord]

was reading nerfnow and she made a good point. Hats aren't craftable, and very rare, yet you need specific ones to complete sets and get the bonus. So people that pay still have an advantage over those that dont

[Jagos]

I kind of look at it a little differently.

There's a "now" advantage. Pretty soon, that advantage will go away as more people complete the set through trading or crafting. So eventually, it'll get back to "yeah 2fort sucks blah,deblah" in a moment. Just right now, people have the option to pay for it if they're lazy.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Yeah, plus if the patterns here are anything like the patterns we've seen in the past, the set bonuses could end up changed/nerfed to any degree.

[Aerozord]

I kind of look at it a little differently.

There's a "now" advantage. Pretty soon, that advantage will go away as more people complete the set through trading or crafting. So eventually, it'll get back to "yeah 2fort sucks blah,deblah" in a moment. Just right now, people have the option to pay for it if they're lazy.

not in this case, you cant craft the hats, and the chances of someone having more then one copy to trade is slim. As for getting them by drop, there are dozens of hats, odds of a specific one are low. Hats are already hard to get, do you know how many hats have dropped for me? One. I have only found one hat in my entire time playing this game, and you think I will find a specific hat?

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Looks like we should keep an eye out for when the Left 4 Dead DLCs come out. You can find Ellis' Hat and the Frying Pan listed if dig through the catalogue, though it doesn't say how you get them yet

[Doc ock rokc]

I would if I could, where it not for a couple things.

A: Checkout doesn't seem to want to work
B: I don't have one yet.

Did you put money in you steam wallet? did steam send you a email asking for conformation?

also On buying weapons. One of my Friends did...he found it less fun then getting them randomly and crafting them. (although he loves the pyro pack)

also The Sidney sleeper PENETRATES!

[Locke cole]

Man, I want to rename an Equalizer. Call it the Valiant Pick.

[Yrcrazypa]

I swear that the normal Sniper Rifle could penetrate as well, since I remember killing two people with one shot once, but maybe that was changed.

[Flarecobra]

Yes, I got some money in it.

[Viridis]

also The Sidney sleeper PENETRATES!
Yes. Yes, it does (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouD1O9BlIUA).

I really wish I could request a trade without both people being online, somehow. Still trying to get a degreaser for a shortstop.

Edit: So... I just a supply crate. Worth buying the key?

[BB]

I got a name tag in a random drop! I have no plans to use it so if anyone was thinking of buying one I'd be open to trade it for more or less anything useful... PM me to discuss I guess.

One thing I'm worried about is how willing they'll be to fix overpowered weapons now. I can imagine a lot of people being upset if the Awesome Weapon they bought got nerfed to something not worth using.

EDIT: I mean like, legit upset, not the usual UPDATE RAGE upset.

[Revising Ocelot]

Not really worth getting a key unless they change the system for crates, in my opinion. Apparently the chance of getting a hat from them is still approximately 1/30 or so.


I got a Duel minigame in a drop myself last night. Wondering who my victim should be...

[Donomni]

TF2 is $9.99 until Monday.

Dammit Valve.

[Doc ock rokc]

weapons i have gotten so far and what i think about them
GRU-Gifted from a friend who got random pile of gifts from drops.-
Fun weapon extremely helpful for building ubers and getting to the front line. However the 50% damage reduction applies to Sasha as well. so keep your Natasha with you as its the only way your going to do damage.

Degreaser-Gifted to me from another friend that found 5 in a row and never plays pyro
H-O-L-Y SHIT! This is the "Proro's" weapon. Its near silent has airblast and the rapid change is devastating. If only my axetingisher would work properly T_T

ShortStop - Forged from the useless fan and some reclaimed metal
Not bad if the slow down would work. its like how Natasha was in the beginning...absolutely no slowdown. hopefully that would be fixed soon.

Sidney sleeper.-crafted from one of my dozens of huntsmen.
I'm iffy about this one. The Penetration is a nice feature but the lack of head-shots makes me sad...However using this then the SMG is a Ungodly combo. I have managed to kill a wrangler engie through his death machine, a medic in a heavy medic pair. and a scout and sniper in one shot. However for every time i have penetrated some one (god that sounds wrong in my mind) i have been shot with the normal rifle and taunted. so yeah I like it but I don't know.

Your eternal reward.-Forged from the camp and dragger and refined
it is just so- Muhah- EHM-So Muhaha- EH-HEM! its just soMUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
once you get the first stab your undetectable!

[Locke cole]

There needs to be some sort of achievement for being milked, Jarated and burned all at once.

[Viridis]

It's a shame we already have an achievement called Rasputin.


Finally got my Degreaser. Agree with everything Doc said.

[Geminex]

There needs to be some sort of achievement for being milked, Jarated and burned all at once.
Sexy.
;)

...
Ok, sorry. I am horrible.

The eternal reward, how silent are those kills? Is it just 'make no noise' or does it actually not show up in-game at all?

And eh, once people get used to it, it'll lose a lot of its power. Spychecking galore!

[Shyria Dracnoir]

There needs to be some sort of achievement for being milked, Jarated and burned all at once.

http://tf-2.fr/ach.php?a=Watersports&b=Get covered in enemy milk and Jarate at the same time while on fire&c=u&e=809&f=1 (http://teamfortress2.fr/achievements.php)

[Yrcrazypa]

It's silent in that the scream that people make when they are backstabbed by the normal knife doesn't happen, they just drop dead. Useful if you can get that first backstab, but I have bad luck with the spy.

[Viridis]

They definitely announce the kills in the normal way. I discovered a spy last night because I noticed someone die from a backstab then saw that same player round a corner.

If they didn't do that the new knife would be perfect.

Edit: To clarify, it's very obvious if you're paying attention, see
http://dl-web.dropbox.com/u/2383368/Mook.png
and then Mook comes around the corner.



Edit test: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2383368/Mook.png

[BB]

I'm gonna assume the Sidney Sleeper isn't supposed to penetrate, since it isn't mentioned in the pros and cons listed and the Ambassador used to do the same too before it was fixed. How well would it stack up if the penetration was removed?

[Doc ock rokc]

They definitely announce the kills in the normal way. I discovered a spy last night because I noticed someone die from a backstab then saw that same player round a corner.

If they didn't do that the new knife would be perfect.

Edit: To clarify, it's very obvious if you're paying attention, see
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2383368/Mook.png
and then Mook comes around the corner.

actually there is a five-ten second delay to everyone but the victim and spy so you can (if the spy is on defense) have two mooks around.

[Viridis]

That's... hm. I didn't know that. That's certainly interesting. TF2 Wiki doesn't mention it, either.


Make those five seconds count.

[Revising Ocelot]

Er, I think the "delay" is actually lag. >.>

I won my duel and got a Bronze Dueling Badge. I'd need to win 739 more to get the Platinum one... that'd be a huge money sink.

I'll just have to smack my head against all people wearing gloves.

[Doc ock rokc]

Er, I think the "delay" is actually lag. >.>

No because as a Pyro I on a server I rarely lag on i saw a spy back stab a team mate in front of me. I burned him to death then the Kill thing popped up after he died.

[Viridis]

Clearly it's time to go stab some bots in an offline server to figure this out.

[Doc ock rokc]

youll need a assistant on the other team.

[Viridis]

Oh right. Axe that plan, then.

[01d55]

I'm gonna assume the Sidney Sleeper isn't supposed to penetrate, since it isn't mentioned in the pros and cons listed and the Ambassador used to do the same too before it was fixed. How well would it stack up if the penetration was removed?

You can put piss on enemies from across a long sightline. It is EXCELLENT.

Plus, a charged rifle shot (you need at least 50% to apply piss) actually hurts pretty bad. You'll find yourself straight up killing plenty of folks with just your raw damage.

I'm not sure if this is part of "no headshots" but atm you can randomly crit with the sleeper.

[Fifthfiend]

As far as I can tell unless you are pretty much Sniper Jesus the Pissmancer is what you should be using.

[Jagos]

What the hell is this dueling thing people are talking about?

[Viridis]

Dueling (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Dueling_Mini-Game).

You single out someone on the other team. The one with more kills against the other at the end of the round is the winner.

[Donomni]

I got one of those items, but never used them.

I saw a duel happen, though. I was disappointed the dueling players don't actually get dueling pistols.

[Viridis]

New spy knife in action (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkKGhwlT-fU), since we've been discussing that.

Amazingly more sneaky than I realized.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

So am I alone in thinking the Vita-Saw ISN'T a steaming pile of crap? I mean, I die fast enough as Medic even without the health debuff so the difference there is negligible, and at least this way it doesn't take me as long to become useful to the team again. But then again, I never get worked up in quality debates about the updates, I just use what works, so maybe there's something I'm missing.

(Granted, I do wish you could keep half of what you had charged at death period rather than capping at 20%, but it isn't the end of the world).

[Yrcrazypa]

It's alright, if you don't plan on hitting people with the Ubersaw, but then again, Medic is literally my worst class, I'm more effective playing anything else than him, since for some reason healing in this game is just impossible for me.

[Jagos]

Dear god, the tf2 wiki is overloaded... Anyone have another source for weapons and stuff?

[Viridis]

Oh wow. Got the G.R.U. as a random drop. NINJA HEAVY IS GO, HEALTH DRAIN BE DAMNED.



I think the only pre-Polycount weapon I'm missing is the Bonk! Someone trade me one for one of my duplicates (http://tf2b.com/?id=76561198003018207).

[Shyria Dracnoir]

It's like Crazy Cola Man Christmas or something (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=4441)

[Aerozord]

It's like Crazy Cola Man Christmas or something (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=4441)

I hate things like this, because it punishes people that already bought the game

[mauve]

I hate things like this, because it punishes people that already bought the game

the good people at Valve have decided to throw in a little something extra for those of you who currently own or who purchase the game Left 4 Dead 2 by this Thursday at 4pm Pacific Standard Time.
*Current L4D2 owners will see the items appear over the next few days. :dance:

[Viridis]

Basically, Valve loves you and wants you to be happy.


Ellis' hat would probably be good on the Scout, but I can't really imagine it on anyone else.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

I hate things like this, because it punishes people that already bought the game

If you already own the game, you're still getting the items as well.

[Doc ock rokc]

Dear god, the tf2 wiki is overloaded... Anyone have another source for weapons and stuff?

since I am a Huge nerd with no life a major contributor to the Wiki I know a fairly large amount about every weapon in the game. What do you need to know?

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Ellis' hat would probably be good on the Scout, but I can't really imagine it on anyone else.

Cmon, Engie's basically an older, fatter Ellis that didn't eat quite so many lead paint chips when he was five.

[Geoffron X]

not in this case, you cant craft the hats, and the chances of someone having more then one copy to trade is slim. As for getting them by drop, there are dozens of hats, odds of a specific one are low. Hats are already hard to get, do you know how many hats have dropped for me? One. I have only found one hat in my entire time playing this game, and you think I will find a specific hat?

They are making blueprints for the new set-bonus hats for next patch.

[Viridis]

The blueprints are in. 4 Refined metal+a weapon from the set.


Thoughts on the various new little nerfs and buffs (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/October_6,_2010_Patch)?

[Aerozord]

I gotta say, I hate crates. Not because you have to buy a key to open them. But because getting a crate means I didn't get something else. Might as well say "you just got a weapon, but you are gonna have to pay for it". You cant craft them or use them, and you can trade them but no one wants something they cant use either. If they have the kind of money to casually get keys, then they probably used it to get the weapons already

[Revising Ocelot]

Apparently the crates work on a different drop system to other drops, so you'll still get 12 normal drops a week or whatever the limit is.

Doesn't stop me hating my two series 1 crates though. I am NOT paying money to unlock them when I know they'll only have Equalizers in them.

[Aerozord]

Apparently the crates work on a different drop system to other drops, so you'll still get 12 normal drops a week or whatever the limit is.

Doesn't stop me hating my two series 1 crates though. I am NOT paying money to unlock them when I know they'll only have Equalizers in them.

better then getting paint.... which I think is actually cheaper then the key I bought to unlock it

[Jagos]

since I am a Huge nerd with no life a major contributor to the Wiki I know a fairly large amount about every weapon in the game. What do you need to know?

I was trying to figure out all of the major weapons like the one for the medic and all. But then again we might both geek out here.

[Viridis]

I gotta say, I hate crates. Not because you have to buy a key to open them. But because getting a crate means I didn't get something else.
Nope. (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Crate)
Dropped crates do not count as part of the weekly drop cap, but are instead part of a different distribution system.

[Yrcrazypa]

The paint that drops in crates can't actually be bought. But I got a Nappers' Respite from the crate that I opened, so that made me very happy.

[Doc ock rokc]

I was trying to figure out all of the major weapons like the one for the medic and all. But then again we might both geek out here.

The Blut and Needle gun are Devastating in the right way. however Its basically a Artillery and Escape weapon as the needles have various speeds making it hard to aim correctly. But the needle gun fires one 10 damaging needle every .15 of a second. and with crits it's 30 damage. As we all know medic gets crits like mad(due to him getting credit for his partners damage and his own healing) and any medic that knows how to abuse this Will. The Blut for many people is a complete upgrade because of the healing effect. However the Increased healing regain on the original weapon is preferable to many.[/geek out]

[Jagos]

I'm thinking more about the Vita-saw and all the community weapons that everyone got. I think he got screwed out of the deal.

[BB]

Y'know, thinking about it, the battalion's back-up completely and directly counters the kritzkrieg- it makes an uber from a kritz medic completely useless! I'm surprised people aren't more up-in-arms about that, I'd have thought it should at most reduce crits to minicrits and minicrits to normal damage (then normal hits to 30% less damage, basically just taking every hit down a damage level).

Do we know if it counters the special critical hits like backstab and headshot?

[Viridis]

This counting the Kritz doesn't seem like such a big deal.

If a player activates the weapon and is subsequently backstabbed, death will still occur but the kill will not register as a critical one.
They don't mention Headshots, but we might be able to assume the same applies.

[Revising Ocelot]

Hmph. Still haven't got my hat and pan. I see lots of people using them now...

[Jagos]

Will trade any vintage stuff for Pyro items. Specifically melee and hat.

[Aerozord]

Will trade any vintage stuff for Pyro items. Specifically melee and hat.

if you got enough vintage items to trade anything, why not just craft the pyro items?

[Shin Amakiir]

Will trade any vintage stuff for Pyro items. Specifically melee and hat.

Yo, I've got V. Axetinguisher, V. Backburner, and both and V. and non-V. Homewrecker. Whatchu got?

[Viridis]

My L4D2 items dropped today.

I have a spare Vintage Homewrecker, Jagos. Non-Vintage Axtinguisher. Got a spare 'Bonk!'? If you try to take my Brigade Helm or Double-Vintage Merryweather I will cut you.

[Aerozord]

how is something "double-vintage"

[Doc ock rokc]

how is something "double-vintage"

well its actually a joke. there is a Hat called the Vintage Marrywether. when it became vintage it became the Vintage vintage Marrywether. So people started calling it Double vintage. there is another hat with vintage in the name as well as well.

[Shin Amakiir]

well its actually a joke. there is a Hat called the Vintage Marrywether. when it became vintage it became the Vintage vintage Marrywether. So people started calling it Double vintage. there is another hat with vintage in the name as well as well.

That'd be the V.V. Tyrolean, I think.

[Aerozord]

anyone have a spare KGB they wouldn't mind giving up. I want to craft GRU and its like the only vintage item I dont have a duplicate of.

[Jagos]

Yo, I've got V. Axetinguisher, V. Backburner, and both and V. and non-V. Homewrecker. Whatchu got?

Looking for a Power jack and Attendant.

why not just craft the pyro items?

Still don't know how to craft them... And laziness says I may get it faster (and cheaper) through trade than crafting.

Got a spare 'Bonk!'?

Got to check tomorrow after class. But I'm pretty sure I do.

anyone have a spare KGB

Think I got two...

=Edit= Checked for both, only one of each. Sorry...

[Fifthfiend]

The GRUs are the best TF2 upgrade like, ever.

[Viridis]

Still don't know how to craft them... And laziness says I may get it faster (and cheaper) through trade than crafting.

Powerjack is Axtinguisher+Reclaimed Metal
Attendant is 4 Refined Metal+A weapon from the set (Degreaser or Powerjack).

[Revising Ocelot]

The GRUs are the best TF2 upgrade like, ever.

Nope, because the only one that ever bothers going Medic on my teams is me. GRU eats health like candy, and it's so obnoxious to kill a single Soldier that was at midrange and thus landed 3 rockets, and keel over before you reach a medkit.

There's also a plague of Shortstop Scouts. That thing -really- needs a Scattergun style reload or more damage falloff at range.

[Fifthfiend]

Nope, because the only one that ever bothers going Medic on my teams is me. GRU eats health like candy, and it's so obnoxious to kill a single Soldier that was at midrange and thus landed 3 rockets, and keel over before you reach a medkit.

It's still useful as hell because even without a medic it still lets you haul ass back to the action any time you don't have a teleporter handy at the spawn and health isn't even a problem as long as you approach it the same way as a soldier/demo explosionjumping across the map IE just have a good idea of where the health is and grab 'em as you go. Also I feel the chance of getting shot up by opposing team members at a point when you're low is more than offset by the decreased chance of getting ganked by backfield spies since you can just like, outrun them now.

Also they look rad as hell.

EDIT And I mean if you've taken three rockets and survived but are that low on health... why are you using the health-sucking gloves? That is clearly not what they are for!

EDIT Like basically I think the GRUs do a pretty good job of not allowing you to escape from situations in which you kind of should be fucked - if I wanted a bullshit Escape Death Repeatedly With No Problems card, I'd play Spy - while allowing you to get to situations where you're needed in an efficient manner, as the inability to do so was always, for me, one of the most painful parts of playing Heavy.

[Jagos]

GRU + Dalokahs Bar = problem solved.

[Doc ock rokc]

Gru and sandvich = Problem solved. just throw it down and run over it.

[Jagos]

Doesn't he run out of bologne to keep doing that?

[Viridis]

Throwing the Sandvich starts a 30 sec recharge.

[Aerozord]

dalokah bar has a cooldown too so not like it makes a differance

[Viridis]

So... I have two of each of the L4D2 items (http://tf2b.com/?id=76561198003018207). Anybody want to offer something neat in exchange for the extras?

[Aerozord]

So... I have two of each of the L4D2 items (http://tf2b.com/?id=76561198003018207). Anybody want to offer something neat in exchange for the extras?

might want to look them over, they are non-tradeable

[Revising Ocelot]

might want to look them over, they are non-tradeable

They're tradeable after an update yesterday.

[Jagos]

Powerjack is Axtinguisher+Reclaimed Metal
Attendant is 4 Refined Metal+A weapon from the set (Degreaser or Powerjack).


... Doesn't reclaimed metal (http://tf2b.com/?id=jakdup1) require scrapping some items?

I dunno...

Other than Force a Gayture, Equahax, and Backrubbish, I may not have enough items...

Attendant is just out of the question since I've yet to get more than one drop.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

... Doesn't reclaimed metal (http://tf2b.com/?id=jakdup1) require scrapping some items?

I dunno...

Other than Force a Gayture, Equahax, and Backrubbish, I may not have enough items...

Attendant is just out of the question since I've yet to get more than one drop.

I have some I can give you if you need extra. It isn't much, but it's going to take a lot longer for me to put it to any use, so I may as well hand it over to someone who can use it.

[Doc ock rokc]

if all else fails you can idle for the extras

[Viridis]

They're tradeable after an update yesterday.Actually, I'm not so sure anymore. The patch notes say so, but the actual items tell me they were purchased and cannot be traded. :raise:

Edit: As of the October 12th patch, Ellis' Cap and The Frying Pan are considered tradable, but this small patch has been reverted upon release. As the items are currently considered "Purchased", the items cannot actually be traded. But they will be tradable after the next patch.

[Viridis]

Valve announced the winners of the Art Pass Contest (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=4489&p=1).

YM's is the most beautiful, detailed and atmospheric map I have ever seen. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er0cyyL4VaQ) :aaa::dance:



I vow never to play it until I have a computer good enough to play that map with the settings all the way up.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Valve announced the winners of the Art Pass Contest (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=4489&p=1).

YM's is the most beautiful, detailed and atmospheric map I have ever seen. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er0cyyL4VaQ) :aaa::dance:



I vow never to play it until I have a computer good enough to play that map with the settings all the way up.

Pweeety.....

[Yrcrazypa]

I wonder if we will be able to play these maps in time for Christmas.

[Shin Amakiir]

I wonder if we will be able to play these maps in time for Christmas.

Valve Christmas or real-time Christmas?

[Viridis]

Given the theme of that Manor, I'd love to have it in time for Halloween, but who knows?

[Jagos]

Yeah, it will be Halloween.

Just enjoy your birthday first. And Christmas. And Labor day next year.

[Yrcrazypa]

Valve Christmas or real-time Christmas?

Valve-Christmas, of course.

[Viridis]

Ellis' Hat and the Frying Pan are tradable now.

[Aerozord]

I just wanna say, after looking it over I am restating my complaint about the hats and competativeness. Yea they are craftable, but you need 73 freakin weapons to make them. Even crafting every spare item I have I couldn't even make one. Hell I dont think I could if I crafted every weapon I have, period.

[Doc ock rokc]

I just wanna say, after looking it over I am restating my complaint about the hats and competativeness. Yea they are craftable, but you need 73 freakin weapons to make them. Even crafting every spare item I have I couldn't even make one. Hell I dont think I could if I crafted every weapon I have, period.

you have the "keep it rares" idlers to thank for that.

[Fifthfiend]

Valve's make it asstardedly hard to get hats as long as hats have existed and they'd do it regardless of whether idling happened or not.

[Geoffron X]

Or you could thank Blizzard wanting to make it asstardedly hard to get hats, as they've done as long as hats have existed, and which they would assuredly do regardless of whether idling happened or not.

You mean Valve?

E: I see that you saw.

[Fifthfiend]

Geoffron X, why are you inventing PLAINLY UNTRUE statements which have clearly NEVER appeared in my posts, containing errors which I COULD NOT POSSIBLY ever be so dumb as to make?

Why, Geoffron X, why are you telling these SHAMEFUL LIES.

[Aerozord]

you can keep crap rare, but not when it gives you a penalty free buff. Despite what they say people with these hats have an edge over those that dont. Its just unrealistic to get them without paying. Isn't the drop limit like 7 items a week? It will take over two months to even accumulate enough items to make one and thats assuming you reach the limit and that 100% of your items go to crafting them.

[Fifthfiend]

The bonus kiiiiiind of makes sense for the Pyro since the degreaser is clearly meant to be used with the axtinguisher so a bonus for the full set offsets the disadvantage of using them not-as-intended. But none of the other sets really seem to slant towards a particular combo in the same way so yeah it's sort of just a straight have hat -> be better.

...In fact Batallion's Backup / Black Box are pretty outright complimentary so throwing them sentry resistance on top of that is pretty hugely BS.