Microsoft bricks 360s with update

[Sky Warrior Bob]

http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/712745/xbox-360-update-bricks-consoles-microsoft-sending-new-consoles-to-those-affected

So apparently, the next to last update from Microsoft did a number on the original 360 model. Assuming it hasn't RRO'd yet, then this might have removed a few more from the equation.

At least Microsoft is offering to replace these units.

And timing couldn't be better, with Sony being in the lurch from the attack. Now instead of everyone telling me to drop my PS3 for a 360, at least it'll switch to them telling me that the Wii is better.

Even if its replacement is coming (http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=66565).

SWB

[Meister]

Sure it's a screwup, but replacement with a new 250 GB unit seems entirely fair. More than fair.

e: plus "brick" is maybe a little harsh for "won't read discs."

[Marc v4.0]

Sure it's a screwup, but replacement with a new 250 GB unit seems entirely fair. More than fair.

Now I'm pissed off because mine is fine. I can go a week or two with just PC games I need to catch up on for a brand new 250GB S System.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Also all the report while not having numbers say its only a fair small proportion of units.

[Marc v4.0]

If I had to guess, it is likely hitting pre-Acarde consoles the hardest. They are getting pretty old at this point and the numbers left would be very thin.

[Aerozord]

anyone know how to go about doing this? and if I can get a transfer cable, cause I now got two HDD with saves on them I'll need to transfer.

[akaSM]

Sony messes up (I think the attacks are related to the removal of the other OS thing) and you get some games, 1 month of PS+ and movies +probable identity theft (?)

Microsoft messes up and your X360 can no longer read discs, you get a new X360 (the 250GB one IIRC)

I can't wait to see what will Nintendo do after messing up ^_^

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Sony messes up (I think the attacks are related to the removal of the other OS thing) and you get some games, 1 month of PS+ and movies +probable identity theft (?)

Microsoft messes up and your X360 can no longer read discs, you get a new X360 (the 250GB one IIRC)

I can't wait to see what will Nintendo do after messing up ^_^

There releasing world wide during the 2012 doom day date. That's there mess up!

So maybe some free games or a new console and some survival gear for when we're fighting evil sun mutants and out landers.

[Aerozord]

is the update automatic? cause I just booted up my old model system and it works just fine

[Aldurin]

Clearly Nintendo's mess up will be when a crazy Italian who thinks he's Luigi shoots up one of the factories as an act of revenge for not getting the respect that Mario has.

But at this rate it's beginning to look like Steam may start to rise even higher with the actual consoles getting problems.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

is the update automatic? cause I just booted up my old model system and it works just fine

Doesn't look like it's an automatic thing. Unless you set it to look for an update whenever it's connected to the net.

[Aerozord]

well I cant find any manual way to update it, atleast I found none, so I assume its automatic

[Marc v4.0]

Yeah, I haven't found an option for updates, think it is pretty much a "Do it or don't use Live" deal like with game updates

[Kim]

They're releasing the update over time, most likely so they can better deal with any problems that happen, rather than all the no good 360's shitting themselves at once. Also, can't stand the degree to which this thread is misleading.

[Seil]

So are we ragging on Microsoft now? I bet all those peoples who swapped in their PS3s for X-Boxs in order to play online are feeling pretty silly.

Super silly.

[Doc ock rokc]

They're releasing the update over time, most likely so they can better deal with any problems that happen, rather than all the no good 360's shitting themselves at once. Also, can't stand the degree to which this thread is misleading.

Nothing misleading at all. all known data was presented you just took offense to it.

[Aerozord]

maybe this is their new plan, to cycle all game systems. Then people buy Wii, but then their new system hits, so they buy that, unfortunately they need to sell it to afford the new PS3 which now dispenses free blow jobs

[Kim]

So are we ragging on Microsoft now? I bet all those peoples who swapped in their PS3s for X-Boxs in order to play online are feeling pretty silly.

Super silly.

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all known data was presented you just took offense to it.Microsoft bricks 360s with updateLe sigh~

[rpgdemon]

Which is technically a 100% factual statement.

[Marc v4.0]

So are we ragging on Microsoft now? I bet all those peoples who swapped in their PS3s for X-Boxs in order to play online are feeling pretty silly.

Super silly.

People with brand new systems don't have to worry. So, no, unless they bought a used sytem from a few years ago they don't really feel all that silly at all.

And if they did buy an old one and it got borked, boy howdy I bet they feel really stupid getting that brand-spanking new replacement for free!

[Seil]

Why must you deny me my pettiness?

[rpgdemon]

Why must you deny me my pettiness?

Are you Tom Petty?

I think not.

[Kim]

Which is technically a 100% factual statement.

Maybe? I'd say calling it bricking when it's actually "The console still technically works it just can't play retails discs, so you still have the time to transfer all your data to a safe storage device before getting a replacement" is more than a little misleading. There's a large gap between what the statement implies and what is actually going on. The "technical" definition of bricking implies that it loses all functionality.

[Fenris]

my guess is that "After update Xbox 360 still technically works it just can't play retails discs, so you still have the time to transfer all your data to a safe storage device before getting a replacement" is too long to fit in the thread title box so he just shortened it to "bricks"

[Kim]

my guess is that "After update Xbox 360 still technically works it just can't play retails discs, so you still have the time to transfer all your data to a safe storage device before getting a replacement" is too long to fit in the thread title box so he just shortened it to "bricks"

There are plenty of other, better ways of wording it that aren't incredibly misleading and don't disregard what bricking generally is accepted to mean.

[rpgdemon]

Maybe? I'd say calling it bricking when it's actually "The console still technically works it just can't play retails discs, so you still have the time to transfer all your data to a safe storage device before getting a replacement" is more than a little misleading. There's a large gap between what the statement implies and what is actually going on. The "technical" definition of bricking implies that it loses all functionality.

Oh. I thought it was actually bricking stuff, and that you were objecting to the low numbers that were involved.

[Marc v4.0]

There are plenty of other, better ways of wording it that aren't incredibly misleading and don't disregard what bricking generally is accepted to mean.

Like 'bork'

[Fenris]

There are plenty of other, better ways of wording it that aren't incredibly misleading and don't disregard what bricking generally is accepted to mean.

I would still call discs being unreadable a pretty hefty bricking. But that's just my opinon.

[Marc v4.0]

Bricking means complete lack of functionality, i.e. it is as useful as a brick.

Fairly sure you could still play games on demand and other downloaded titles, which means only partial functionality was lost.


edit:
Why must you deny me my pettiness?

Because it is beneth you and pointless console drama

[Fenris]

Bricking means complete lack of functionality, i.e. it is as useful as a brick.

Fairly sure you could still play games on demand and other downloaded titles, which means only partial functionality was lost.

I am aware of the definition that Nonsy is operating under.

I also have heard the term "bricked" to simply mean "broken."

[Kim]

Plus, you still are able to salvage your data with a USB cord and a storage device, whereas most instances of what people call bricking makes that rather difficult, AFAIK.

[Marc v4.0]

Using bricked to mean simply 'broken' is misleading

[Fenris]

Using bricked to mean simply 'broken' is misleading
Your opinion is noted.

Still seems like splitting hairs to me!

[Kim]

Your opinion is noted.

Still seems like splitting hairs to me!

This feels rather the equivalent of calling my computer bricked because the mouse doesn't work, even though I still have a trackpad, is all I'm saying, and if someone told me that qualified my laptop as being bricked I'd give them one hell of a raised eyebrow look.

[Seil]

Just so 'M clear, is this a case of semantics, he said/she/said or Po-tay-to/Po-tah-to?

[Fenris]

This feels rather the equivalent of calling my computer bricked because the mouse doesn't work, even though I still have a trackpad, is all I'm saying, and if someone told me that qualified my laptop as being bricked I'd give them one hell of a raised eyebrow look.

The mouse is a separate entity from (and not the primary purpose of) the laptop, so your analogy is pretty poor.

And this whole discussion seems to go in this thread. (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?t=40104)

Just so 'M clear, is this a case of semantics, he said/she/said or Po-tay-to/Po-tah-to?
Semantics.

[Marc v4.0]

Your opinion is noted.

Fantastic

[Fenris]

This just in: Definitions are just opinions.

Fantastic

Cite a source and it will gain credibility.

I mean, I could say my definition of "Marc v1.0" is "huge asshole" but that doesn't make me right, unless I can cite a credible source that also defines "Marc v1.0" as "huge asshole."

[Nikose Tyris]

Definition:
In the strictest sense of the term, bricking must imply that software error has rendered the device completely unrecoverable without some hardware replacement. However, it is common to use the term for a problem which can be rectified but only by a complex and difficult procedure, often requiring additional software.

Thus while Marc/Nonsy are correct in the strictest sense of the term, Fenris is viewing it in it's wider definition- as something that is completely inoperable would be unable to receive a new software update period to fix it.

We agree a thing needs to have the ability to power on and check wifi, at least, to update? for the most part? We're good with that?

[Seil]

Guys, chill. You're arguin' over semantics. Sematics aren't real - it's just a silly made up word that English profs use to force students to write papers on junk.

Let it go, guys.

[Kim]

It does power and and get Wifi... Okay, maybe not Wifi, it's the old-ass Xbox's after all, but it still gets internet.

[Nikose Tyris]

Okay, and that's within the boundaries listed for still being 'bricked' and using the term, as quoted. So, we're agreed, Bricked is maybe not the BEST word here but still appropriate.

Tomorrow SWB is going to log in and be confused as to why his thread has been jacked.

[Marc v4.0]

Cite a source and it will gain credibility.

I mean, I could say my definition of "Marc v1.0" is "huge asshole" but that doesn't make me right, unless I can cite a credible source that also defines "Marc v1.0" as "huge asshole."

I'm willing to concede based on the technicals of Nik's post, but there is honestly no reason to be a dick about it.

[Nikose Tyris]

I'm willing to concede based on the technicals of Nik's post, but there is honestly no reason to be a dick about it.

Might I suggest the preferential word "Dickbag", as in, a bag entirely of dicks?

[Fenris]

I'm willing to concede based on the technicals of Nik's post, but there is honestly no reason to be a dick about it.

The both of your posts carried subtones of condescension and I don't deal well with unwarranted condescension.

Basically it came across as "you're dumb because you don't agree with me." It probably wasn't meant that way but hey, internet tones.

ANYWHO, yeah, I was being a bit of a dick there. Sorry for that.

[Marc v4.0]

The both of your posts carried subtones of condescension and I don't deal well with unwarranted condescension.

Basically it came across as "you're dumb because you don't agree with me." It probably wasn't meant that way but hey, internet tones.

Yes, that makes it completely ok -_-

[Seil]

I'd go with my usual "guyz stop fighting!!!" but I was totally fighting in the PS3 thread. I will say that I think we should let this one go, 'cause it's starting to devolve, but if you guys wanna continue it, I'll make the popcorn.

No, seriously, guyz stop fighting!!!

[Fenris]

Yes, that makes it completely ok -_-

http://ken_ashford.typepad.com/.a/6a00d834515b2069e201053605c23c970c-800wi

[Marc v4.0]

See, it's funny cause he's a mod and can get away with being a jerk to me and I am limited in my ability to respond! LOL!

[Seil]

I want it on the record that I tried to prevent this.

[Fenris]

I want it on the record that I tried to prevent this.

Noted!

See, it's funny cause he's a mod and can get away with being a jerk to me and I am limited in my ability to respond! LOL!

Ha ha holy shit

[Fenris]

I mean we have like two venues for mod complaints.

e: and I don't think I've ever banned anybody for bein' a jerk back to me when I'm a jerk to them first.

e2: even when they made threads dedicated to how horrible a person I am.

e3: That's a gaming convention.

e4: Fuck y'alls, made a thread for this shit.

[POS Industries]

See, it's funny cause he's a mod and can get away with being a jerk to me and I am limited in my ability to respond! LOL!
People keep saying this and it keeps not actually being true.

[Seil]

POS is a pirate on a stick.

...Wait, that came out wrong. I guess we should limit our responses to this thread, (http://nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?t=40113) huh?

In other news, the X-Box is a hunka junk.(tm) Guess everyone should buy a Wii?

[akaSM]

So, most of you seem to think "hey those exPS3 users must feel really dumb now, the X360's hardware is just as bad as Sony's security" but, you're missing the part where you get a new top of the line console in case the update messes your old console, making it unable to read disks.

Also, IMHO "bricking" means "pretty much useless, or requires a huge effort to make it work again" so, I wouldn't call this disc reading problem "bricking". I mean, if I had to explain this update issue to someone, I'd just say "your console just won't be able to read discs" instead of "your console will get bricked".

The mouse died, my computer is bricked analogy doesn't really work for me but, I got a nice example:

My mom's phone SIM reading thing is faulty, it'll detect a SIM card for a while but, after a few mins, it'll say something like "insert SIM" or "SIM card not valid". This phone isn't reliable anymore as a phone, it's main function's gone (a phone's main function is to make and receive calls, among other things, using a cellular network), just like the affected X360s which can't read discs (it's main function is to play games, this console's main/most important games are on discs).

Now, would you call my mom's phone a brick because it cannot use a cellular network to make calls and stuff? She can still play with it, listen to music, browse the internet, take photos and pretty much anything that doesn't involve a cellular network.

This applies to the X360 as well, you can still play (downloadable) games andd do everything the X360 can do (sorry, I dunno all the stuff the X360 can do) that doesn't involve using discs.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Between the victims getting a replacement unit, and the damaged units only losing the abilty to read discs (on average). I'd say 360's rep is largely untouched by this.

Heck a few of the people I told this to say it as a free hardware upgrade.

[Seil]

Between the victims getting a replacement unit, and the damaged units only losing the abilty to read discs (on average). I'd say 360's rep is largely untouched by this.

As a Sony fanboy (Read: Fanboy) I think Microsoft is thinking that the Sony deal isn't finished yet (It isn't, PSN store is still down) and want to avoid being painted with a brush of some sort.

I think that even Nintendo - who I don't believe have a network or any other kind of whatever - are on their best behavior and ready to offer reprimands if Pocahontas or whatever isn't there in the next Kingdom Hearts game.

[synkr0nized]

Everyone knows the Wii isn't really a contender in the 360/PS3 coverage of the market, anyway. Like, if you offered me a Wii for either of those I would probably try to find out when you were dropped on your head as a child.***


** just so folks don't get all miffed, this doesn't mean the console and its games are bad. They just don't, in my opinion, have anywhere near the same hold on a large portion of gamers.


Also lol@, what, half of this thread? This thread is bricked.

[Sky Warrior Bob]

Haven't been following this thread much, since I don't have a 360 & was just passing the news on. As for the titlle, it pretty much short hand for the G4 article.

If the title was: Microsoft bricks 360 Disk Drive with update, it'd be pefectly accurate, and still convey the same message. You could also say that Microsoft Borks Disk Drive (with Update!) & still be equally correct.

Sure, that message is a tad more harsh, but if you take issue with that, maybe your problem isn't about the accuracy, but the tone behind the message. Just thought I'd point it out.