It's time to come out of the closet

[RickZarber]

Okay, so I've been coming to terms with this lately, and while it may change the way you think of me, I think I finally need to get it off my chest...

I don't like Team Fortress 2.

I don't like the constant dying. I don't like that everyone is so much better than me and know all this shit about it that I don't. I thought that maybe if I just stuck with it, I'd get better and I'd start enjoying myself. But the more I play it, the more I realize that I'm not having fun. I'm going through the motions, watching everyone else, wondering what they're getting out of it that I'm not. I'm playing solely because I don't want to feel left out. And I think I'm done.

There. I said it. I hope you guys can still like me.

[Jagos]

What do you play and what do you prefer?

[Pip Boy]

Im starting to wonder if people on this forum know what "come out of the closet" really means.

[akaSM]

Maybe Rick plays TF2 in a closet? I wouldn't like TF2 if I had to get in a closet each time I want to play, it just doesn't sound comfortable. Maybe we should just get Rick a bigger closet :/.

Also, I die a lot in TF2, but it's fun to keep trying. Doing stuff like head shooting Shyria is just awesome. Last time I killed Mauve with a taunt, it was great.

Also, those single class/melee only matches are really fun. Maybe you're taking the game a bit too seriously, play on one of the NPF weekends and do stupid things like trying to taunt kill someone, airblasting someone off a cliff/into a saw (right, Mauve? :P), and try other things.

Try to play to get fun, you'll die a lot (Shyria! :argh:) but, you can always do stupid things to have fun :3

[RickZarber]

Im starting to wonder if people on this forum know what "come out of the closet" really means.Honestly, that was just to troll Tev (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1125625&postcount=5).

Maybe you're taking the game a bit too seriously, play on one of the NPF weekends and do stupid things like trying to taunt kill someone, airblasting someone off a cliff/into a saw (right, Mauve? :P), and try other things.I don't know how to do any of those things. I don't know about seriously, either. I just play. I spawn, I run around, I shoot at things, I die, I respawn, I die again instantly, I respawn, I try to find where everyone is, I die on my way over there, etc. In fact, I only play on NPF weekends. Youse guys are just apparently getting something out of this that I'm not.

[Jagos]

Honestly, that was just to troll Tev (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1125625&postcount=5).

I don't know how to do any of those things. I don't know about seriously, either. I just play. I spawn, I run around, I shoot at things, I die, I respawn, I die again instantly, I respawn, I try to find where everyone is, I die on my way over there, etc. In fact, I only play on NPF weekends. Youse guys are just apparently getting something out of this that I'm not.

Honestly, I run around as a Pyro, die more times than not, and somehow I can reverse rockets on a crappy wifi.

Maybe try some different classes and weapons? Or become a drunk Demoman and try death from above?

[akaSM]

Taunt kills (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Taunt_kill#Special_Taunts)

The compression blast thing is what you get when you press the left mouse key while using one of the pyro's flamethrowers. It can push people, sticky bombs and even rockets. I think Mauve and Shy could teach you a ton of things since I just play for the lulz fun and I don't think I know a lot about the game.

[mauve]

Well, I guess I can still be your friend. I'll try and be open-minded about the whole thing. :p

But seriously, yeah, I can see how TF2 can be annoying. I love it, but yeah, it has a pretty sharp learning curve and it kind of assumes that everyone who owns it by now has been playing for several years and knows all the tricks. And quite honestly, I only play on NPF Nights because a lot of the Non-NPF TF2 people I run into in public servers are complete jerks. I actually switch my name to something non-gender-specific and turn off my mic whenever I'm playing in a public server because I don't like dealing with people.

I hope you'll still join us for L4D and Portal2 shenanigans, though! :(

airblasting someone off a cliff/into a saw (right, Mauve? :P) [...] tauntkill :argh:

[Jagos]

But seriously, yeah, I can see how TF2 can be annoying. I love it, but yeah, it has a pretty sharp learning curve and it kind of assumes that everyone who owns it by now has been playing for several years and knows all the tricks. And quite honestly, I only play on NPF Nights because a lot of the Non-NPF TF2 people I run into in public servers are complete jerks. I actually switch my name to something non-gender-specific and turn off my mic whenever I'm playing in a public server because I don't like dealing with people.

Shoot, fighting snipers is the most annoying part of the experience. Unless you're good at playing yourself, it gets kinda... Meh. Otherwise, figuring out strategies for destroying people as a weaker class (Pyro) and hiding out for ambushes is always awesome when it comes together.


:argh:

:D Power of Pyros unite!

[Amake]

I'm with you Rick, I don't like it either. All that socialization is just too much pressure. I got stressed out being in two player parties in World of Warcraft. So many expectations. I played one game of TF2 and never looked back. It was probably a silly idea to buy it at all, but everyone was talking about it all the time and I wanted to be a part of the group. Though I'm clearly not made for such things.

*mope*

[Seil]

There are times where I'm raging over the compressionistas, but it's all in good fun. Really, it's just an excuse to hang out online. And kill zombies. Or each other.

[A Zarkin' Frood]

I come out of the "I never played Team Fortress 2 despite owning it"-closet here.
Say what you want, I'm proud of that fact. And I have my reasons too...

[Toastburner B]

Really, the only time I enjoy playing TF2 is when I play with people I know (which is basically when I play with you guys because no else I know plays TF2). I would never play out on a random server with just random people, because people take this stuff way too seriously.

[PhoenixFlame]

There's no rifles.

How can you BE an FPS with no rifles, unless you're DOOM?

TF2 simply paints the classes as too diverse archetypes for my tastes. You can be a giant minigun-toting badass or a sniper-rifle slinging australian, or run around jumping off your own rocket explosions, but having a general, swiss-army weapon that can be pidgeonholed (albeit poorly) at close range as well as long, is absent.

What, are general medium rifles OVERPOWERED or something?

[Aerozord]

my experience is that you die alot less in TF2 then other FPS multiplayer games. Those games are what I call "meat grinder" games. You spawn, run out, see an enemy, you two spray bullets for about one second, then the one that lost respawns instantly to do it all again. No objectives, no team work, just run, shoot, die, repeat.

If you are saying TF2 isn't far enough to the survivability side then I can understand that, though if you think Call of Duty and the like are fun, then I just plain dont understand how you can think that of TF2

[phil_]

If you are saying TF2 isn't far enough to the survivability side then I can understand that, though if you think Call of Duty and the like are fun, then I just plain dont understand how you can think that of TF2I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that Rick doesn't like karadudy either.

[Aldurin]

I don't like Team Fortress 2.

http://sadpanda.us/images/423557-TKWITE1.png

[synkr0nized]

I've never gotten into it, either. It's just not my thing, and I am so far behind with the hat collecting or whatever. I only want to light things on fire and shoot rockets at people's heads.


I'm with you Rick, I don't like it either. All that socialization is just too much pressure. I got stressed out being in two player parties in World of Warcraft. So many expectations. I played one game of TF2 and never looked back. It was probably a silly idea to buy it at all, but everyone was talking about it all the time and I wanted to be a part of the group. Though I'm clearly not made for such things.

*mope*

is.. Is this an honest post?

[The Wandering God]

There's no rifles.

How can you BE an FPS with no rifles, unless you're DOOM?

TF2 simply paints the classes as too diverse archetypes for my tastes. You can be a giant minigun-toting badass or a sniper-rifle slinging australian, or run around jumping off your own rocket explosions, but having a general, swiss-army weapon that can be pidgeonholed (albeit poorly) at close range as well as long, is absent.

What, are general medium rifles OVERPOWERED or something?
So... your problem is that it isn't generic enough?

And Valve specifically wanted to avoid them since they knew most everyone would play that class.

They were also trying to be as different as possible to everything else.

Which it is. I can see why some people might not like it. The players can be dicks, learning the intricacies of each class and ALL the subsequent weapon loadouts and how it all interacts with one another can be confusing as well as intimidating, and the objectives can be widely varied.

But it shouldn't be the ignorance of the game that stops you. There ARE good servers out there. Just...not as many as any of us would like. And there's that whole 'coaching system' now. (Don't know much about it.) But if you are willing to take the time, you can have a lot of different experiences with this game.

Team Fortress 2 is ultimately a game about variety. If you are only ever interested in doing one or two things, in one or two ways, then the game will be of less appeal.

But if you don't want to play, it's really no big.

[Krylo]

But it shouldn't be the ignorance of the game that stops you.

I think what a lot of people said about FF13 works wonderfully as a counterpoint to this: If it takes me 14 hours to start having fun, then the game has failed.

TF2 was fun at first, but the more depth they add, and the more the metagame develops, the shittier the game becomes for new players. Yes, it's still a fun game, but I could go and play TF2 for two weeks, start to understand one class, and just start to have fun with that one class, OR I could just go play almost any other game and have fun immediately.

The hat collecting, and new weapons, etc. etc. are great for old players, but they create a wall that any new players have to climb over... while being rocketed by everyone else. On top of the advanced metagame that plagues any sufficiently aged FPS game.

Basically, what I'm saying here, is that ignorance of the game is totally a good reason to not play any multiplayer PvP centric game, whether it be anything from Guild Wars to CoD, unless the player in question has the patience and time to master its mechanics while not having any fun at all for the weeks or more it takes to do so.

[RickZarber]

If you are saying TF2 isn't far enough to the survivability side then I can understand that, though if you think Call of Duty and the like are fun, then I just plain dont understand how you can think that of TF2I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that Rick doesn't like karadudy either.And a sturdy limb it is. :P I do like some PVP FPSs, but come to think of it, they're pretty much all older, simpler games.[lotsa smart, accurate words, ending with] unless the player in question has the patience and time to master its mechanics while not having any fun at all for the weeks or more it takes to do so.Mostly THIS. Maybe, MAYBE I'd start to have fun once I'd figured everything out, but really, it's just not worth the time and effort if I'm not enjoying myself in the meantime. I've got other things I could be playing instead. Like, I hope you'll still join us for L4D and Portal2 shenanigans, though!Of course! I still want to participate! And I still love those games. Just not this one.

[Amake]

is.. Is this an honest post?...Yes?

[Aldurin]

I don't see what you're saying about being slow to start having fun with, I literally got TF2 three weeks ago, and the first thing I did after training was go on a killing spree as a pyro. I then took short breaks in between to sample other classes before I went back to murdering. It's a simple process of do what works best for you.

[RickZarber]

Well, obviously it depends on the individual in that regard, in terms of latent skills, patience, and whatever elusive quality counts as "sense of fun".

[Specterbane]

Rick I totally agree with you on this. I would never recommend people pay any money for TF2 at all. Ever. And for all the reasons that have been stated.

It's a four year old game (at least I think) and there are just too many barriers to entry. From the massive skill gap between new and veteran players who've lived for little else besides TF2 in their parent's basement, to the fact that I can't figure out how to be coached in that half assed attempt to seem inviting to new players Valve will only garner my ire for the concept of paying for anything in TF2. Even old players who stopped playing for a while are too intimidated to get back in because it just wouldn't be fun for them, a friend of mine in Med school is just that way.

That being said, I play and I do enjoy it...during the day when all the people who aren't obnoxiously good play I guess. And I've gotten better than way and have kind of started to enjoy it more. But I only have it cause I bought the Orange Box while it was $7.50 on a Steam Sale. But even at $20 the Orange Box is at least worth it for HL2 and Ep. 1 and 2. Portal and TF2 are just fillers to maybe have fun with and that's all their worth.

So yeah, if you do decide you want to try getting it playable for you; try playing it during the off hours like me I guess. But I'm with you in that I feel TF2 has become a bad game, and until valve offers match making servers they'll never convince me otherwise.

[Donomni]

The main reason I don't play a lot of TF2 is that my PC can barely run it. Even on the lowest settings it's extremely choppy and slow.

So hoping a proper PS3 version comes out, what with actual updates and all.

[Aerozord]

Whole arguement just reminded me of something I saw when TF2 first came out.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/aerozord/grenades.jpg

[Specterbane]

http://www.multiplayernetwork.net/files/filesystem/images/_1351_1238528479.jpg:dance:

But seriously, we've long since hit the point in the game where the veteran players are the biggest obstacle to new players coming in. Maybe I'm cynical but I don't think it a coincidence that we're only seeing half-assed attempts at bring new players in AFTER a store was introduced where people could spend real money on things like one use keys to unlock useless crates.

The thing that gets me the most is that Valve doesn't do match making servers for TF2. I could just be assuming it's harder than I think, but they do it for L4D, so why not start up a few that separate players based on their skill level? They certainly track enough player data to figure something out. Right? Or am I totally off base here?