Official E3 2011 Thread

[Kim]

So, it's E3 time. Konami did their pre-E3 show last night.

Things of note

-MGS2, MGS3, and MGS:PW are getting HD versions for both the PS3 and 360, it'll be a single collection. You'll be able to bounced saves to and from your PSP for the PS3 version.


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-Same for Zone of the Enders 1+2.

-Silent Hill 2+3 are getting HD released for the PS3. No Transfarring (Yes, that's the actual word. Blame Kojima.) for them.

-There's going to be a Silent Hill NGP title.

-Kojima's team is developing their own graphics engine that will be multiplatform.

-Rising won't be at E3.

-Kojima will be giving lectures at University of Southern California.

-Neverdead got a new trailer with a song by Megadeath (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr6KryINLIk). The game looks hilarious in all the right ways.

-MGS3D lets players take pictures and use that to make camo.

-Mega64 did another vid with Kojima (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q72aSKBt6w).

-Silent Hill: Downpour has a new trailer. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLruIB8fZpY) The game looks okay.


Non-Konami Randomness

-Soul Calibur V has a new trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7M9ddcZ9GA). The game has two new characters known about thus far. Patroklos, Sophitia's son, and Pyrrha, his sister. Mirai will be checking this out at E3.

-New Dark Souls trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPNv4Cglo0E). I loved Demon's Souls, and everything I see about Dark Souls makes me more excited for it. These monster designs are fantastic.

-Gamespot has a very short teaser of FFXIII-2 (http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6315324/). The game looks to use the same combat, but I'm hoping it's refined instead of just copy-pasted. There are a few new young characters, and a moogle. This is one of the games I'll get to try at E3.

I'll add cool links and images and shit in a bit, as well as more cool news. Also, I will be attending E3, and as I get to go hands-on with shit I'll probably tell you guys about it or link the articles I've written on my first impressions, assuming the mods here are okay with me doing the latter.

[Donomni]

ZoE 1 and 2 HD is essentially http://files.sharenator.com/Shut_up_and_take_my_money_RE_Gues_what_this_is-s500x313-149402.jpg

Neverdead is soooo stupid and cheesy, but the kind everyone loves.

[Kim]

Nikkei leaked some details on Project Cafe's controller (http://www.gamerlive.tv/article/e3-2011-wii-successors-controller-details-revealed)

(Linked my article on it cuz Nikkei is in Japanese and requires a subscription)

6" touch screen, has a camera, and can function as a portable gaming device.

I'm not as excited as you'd think. I feel like Nintendo's now created a situation where there's no way this can turn out well. Either it will be fucking expensive, or they'll find ways to cheap out on the controller. I'm banking on the latter. I'm not exactly looking forward to a controller with a four hour battery life. Every console company puts out products that they later replace with better versions, but the ways in which Nintendo cheaps out are especially frustrating.

That said, a tablet-handheld from Nintendo could be nifty if done right, and I'm curious what this will mean about both Project Cafe and the 3DS.

[Malek]

I'd be surprised if the controllers on their own would cost less than half the price of a 3ds if those rumours are true.
Unless the cafe is compatible with the classic or GC controllers without losing too much functionality, or the 3ds can be used as a controller instead, I don't think it could be viable. I doubt many people would be able to afford getting a second controller, which would screw local multiplayer.

[BB]

I would guess the 3DS and perhaps the DSi would be usable as controllers too, if these specs are correct. Nintendo have tried a similar tactic before with the gamecube by way of GBA connectivity (for games such as Four Swords), but the cost of cables plus GBA units was fairly prohibitive in getting that off the ground. The saturation of DSi/3DS units is probably high enough that with wireless connectivity they're willing to give it another go.

Hopefully however they'll implement some way of getting Virtual Console games onto the controller for retro gaming on the move. Coupling that with the 3DS' eShop you can have a whole library of retro games in your pocket. Of course they'd also have to allow porting titles bought on a Wii to the Cafe unit.

[Kim]

which would screw local multiplayer.

Part of me does suspect an alternate controller. (Maybe the Wii controller?) That said, when has Nintendo ever cared about multiplayer as much as they should.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

ZoE 1 and 2 HD is essentially http://files.sharenator.com/Shut_up_and_take_my_money_RE_Gues_what_this_is-s500x313-149402.jpg

Neverdead is soooo stupid and cheesy, but the kind everyone loves.

i still want my damn ZoE3. Where is it Kojima!? You talked about it over a few year ago we still got nothing new on it.

[Kim]

If I had to guess, whether or not a ZoE3 happens will depend largely on the success of ZoE HD Collection. It's a good way of testing waters in terms of how interested people are, while also giving people unfamiliar with the franchise a chance to check it out. It's a wise decision.

[rpgdemon]

Part of me does suspect an alternate controller. (Maybe the Wii controller?) That said, when has Nintendo ever cared about multiplayer as much as they should.

Nintendo's ALWAYS cared about split screen/single console multiplayer. They're the only one who has really been keeping it alive, recently. It's online that they've never really cared about.

[Kim]

Nintendo's ALWAYS cared about split screen/single console multiplayer. They're the only one who has really been keeping it alive, recently. It's online that they've never really cared about.

Fair point. I let my frustration with their online bleed into other areas. Sorry about that.

I would say you're wrong about others not supporting local multiplayer. There's support, it's just not as much of a given anymore on other consoles.

[rpgdemon]

Mainly I'm annoyed at anything that doesn't have split screen/single console multiplayer, since a lot of the time I'll want to play multiplayer with people right there, and not play with them online, in completely different rooms. Red Dead Redemption for one, I was annoyed at.

Also, I am very disappointed that L.A. Noire doesn't have a co-op mode at all, since it'd be awesome to play with someone else being the other dude that you're with, for the actioney parts at least. I'd imagine interrogations/investigating would be not too interesting though, in co-op.

[akaSM]

They have supported local multiplayer but, I don't think they've really supported extra controller options lately. I mean, in Super Smash Brothers Brawl you could play with every single controller that was compatible with the wii but, in New Super Mario Bros Wii you NEED a wiimote for each player, even though the waggle could've easily replaced with buttons:


Why would you need to waggle the controller to use a spin jump? It was fine as a button in Super Mario World.

Those times when you need to waggle to change something? (a lamp's direction, a platform's inclination) you got analog shoulder buttons in the GC and classic controller.


The same goes for Donkey Kong Country Returns, the GC and Classic controller got enough buttons to replace waggling :/

[Melfice]

So, has it only been a Konami fest until now, or is the Konami stuff literally the only interesting news until now?

Also, no new Suikoden. :(
I want my PS3 and/or Xbox 360 Suikoden, you guys!


I'd imagine interrogations/investigating would be not too interesting though, in co-op.

Good cop, bad cop routines. (everybody would just do a bad cop, bad cop, but that's besides the point.)

[Kim]

So, has it only been a Konami fest until now, or is the Konami stuff literally the only interesting news until now?

E3 hasn't actually started. It technically starts on Tuesday. Konami has just had their press conference already. Microsoft has theirs on Monday, as do EA, Sony, and Ubisoft. Ubisoft really has to fix something, and I'm hoping they know that. Nintendo's is Tuesday morning. There are some new trailers, but I haven't yet taken the time to look at them, thus I don't have much to say on those games yet, thus I haven't linked them. I'll try to add updates later today.

[Melfice]

Ah, I see.
Konami just wants to avoid the hectic of the actual E3, but still share in the media coverage.

Thanks.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

A lot of stuff has, ahem, "leaked" out, as it always does. It's almost like they don't want any surprises at E3 any more. There's a new Hitman game coming, there's finally footage for Warhawks sequel Starhawk, and Prey 2 and Darksiders 2 trailers floating around already.

[Kim]

A lot of stuff has, ahem, "leaked" out, as it always does. It's almost like they don't want any surprises at E3 any more. There's a new Hitman game coming, there's finally footage for Warhawks sequel Starhawk, and Prey 2 and Darksiders 2 trailers floating around already.

There will still be a fair amount of announcements, I expect. Sony's probably got quite a few game announcements for their conferences, what with the PSVita coming out this year last I heard. Also, don't underestimate the importance of journalists getting hands-on demos with tons of stuff.

[Melfice]

Also, Mass Effect 3 demo on E3.
Hopefully some more stuff on Deus Ex: Human Revolution.
A new Suikoden (I know, I know. I just really want a new Suikoden. =/ ).

Lots more stuff for E3, oh yes.

[Donomni]

If I had to guess, whether or not a ZoE3 happens will depend largely on the success of ZoE HD Collection. It's a good way of testing waters in terms of how interested people are, while also giving people unfamiliar with the franchise a chance to check it out. It's a wise decision.

Similar to Megaman Legends 3 and it's Prolougus Preview.

In regards to Cafe/whatever-they-decide-to-call-it, I think the Wii's success might backfire, since many of the people who bought the Wii weren't that into games to begin with, so they likely won't spring for a new console anytime soon(As in, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it").

Of course, I'm just speculating on that, especially considering people seem to change their cell phones as often as their socks.

[Solid Snake]

Is it wrong that I'm actually looking more forward to learning the identities of returning ME3 squadmates than new titles?
...That's probably wrong of me, isn't it?

(But seriously, which characters from ME2 will be back as permanent squadmates?)

EDIT: I suppose MGS2 is a tad crisper but I have to say I'm honestly unimpressed. SotC and ICO's HD trailer appeared to me far more of a graphical improvement.

[phil_]

The Sony and Nintendo conferences this week determine whether I buy a PS3 and Dark Souls or get Nintendo's new toy at launch.

Man, I'm way too excited about Dark Souls for it to be on a toy I don't own.

[EVILNess]

Also, no new Suikoden. :(
I want my PS3 and/or Xbox 360 Suikoden, you guys!


I would settle for Suikoden II on the PSN.

[Azisien]

Mass Effect 3, Arkham City, I think that's all I'm remotely looking forward to.

After two generations of consoles (Wii, 3DS) from Nintendo I'm starting to feel confident it'll just be a bunch of gimmicky shiny balls and not much more. I'm not really sure what Sony or Microsoft are up to hardware wise, but if it involves Kinect or Move I'm sure I'll be asleep within 10 minutes of watching the conference.

[Kim]

Rumor time: Supposedly another Fable game is getting announced. Don't care! Dance Central may also get a sequel. I never played Dance Central cuz I don't have a Kinect, but I'm interested. Xbox may get TV streaming, which it already has in the UK.

[rpgdemon]

Xbox may get TV streaming, which it already has in the UK.

Meaning what exactly? I can't see how being able to watch TV on TV is a breakthrough.

If it'll let me watch channels I don't have, however, thumbs up. Way up.

[Kim]

Meaning what exactly? I can't see how being able to watch TV on TV is a breakthrough.

If it'll let me watch channels I don't have, however, thumbs up. Way up.

One would assume that's the idea.

[rpgdemon]

One would assume that's the idea.

I dunno really what I thought it could be, which was why I was confused.

[Kim]

I dunno really what I thought it could be, which was why I was confused.

On a more general level, it's evidence of a move for consolidated home entertainment setups. Consoles being able to play movies, then later stream movies, was one of the first steps. So now they're trying to get into the television side of things, which will probably be much more of a fight.

[Magus]

Eh, the only thing interesting coming out of Konami for E3 for me is that there's going to be another Contra game after the upcoming Hard Corps: Uprising. Unfortunately the trailer is just the Contra C with the words "They're coming", so pretty sparse info so far.

[rpgdemon]

On a more general level, it's evidence of a move for consolidated home entertainment setups. Consoles being able to play movies, then later stream movies, was one of the first steps. So now they're trying to get into the television side of things, which will probably be much more of a fight.

Yeah. The biggest fight that I see in watching live TV via a console is, unless they offer some crazy competitive pricing or something, there's absolutely no reason to do so. It's extra work to watch TV through the console, considering that to watch TV, all you do is press the power button on the TV, versus watching it through a console, where you do the same thing, then also turn on the console, navigate the menus, and then watch your show.

[Magus]

Well now you have to hook up a converter box to catch the signals if you're talking about local television. As far as satellite/cable channels it would be interesting to just have it coming over the internet on the console and save you dealing with a separate satellite box, cable box, cable connection, etc. It would just be all about putting your entertainment entirely through one connection instead of multiple.

[Marc v4.0]

I wouldn't mind on-demand TV from someone that isn't a cable or dish provider. If the price is right.

Actually, on the subject of practicality, it would be more practical form me to watch TV through my Xbox becuase I don't have cable or dish or even a regular hookup to watch local channels. I can't be arsed to pay the money for only 7-8 channels I want to watch, and the local stations don't play anything I care to watch either. Selectable, streaming TV channels sounds like a good deal to me.

I am excited about Microsoft not announcing development of another console.

I really want this latest trend to just improve the hardware and software every few years but not develop a full new generation to continue. Makes things so much easier from the consumer end of things. No games going unused on a shelf cause the new Gen doesn't play them properly or offer full functionality.

[Solid Snake]

...Watching this atrociously unimpressive Microsoft E3 presentation (my opinion) I have come to the following conclusion.

Sony, if you want to win this year's E3, here is what you do.

You go up there, and this is all you say:

"We are sorry for the Move. The Move was a terrible idea. Motion controls were a horrible mistake. The Kinect and Move were about to ruin gaming. Fortunately, we have learned our lesson. We are not going to make any more games for the Move. We like controllers. Controllers are awesome. Here are ninety minutes of games that rely on good old controllers."

Please Sony pppllleeeeaaassseeee

(So far Microsoft's E3 has involved far too much terrible-looking Kinect garbage. If Sony does the same with Move we are DOOMED)

[phil_]

But Snake, without Kinect we wouldn't have gotten, "Unleash the simulated family." That was pretty great. And did you see that item scanning toy? Finally, I can play games as one of the PBR cans littering my apartment. Oh! Or my lamp!

Edit: How about the Tomb Raider game? I sure love holding forward until the game prompts me to do something else. Button prompts and body trauma are what I think Sonic 2 was missing.

[Solid Snake]

Friend of Mine: "The sad thing is, you know that every media outlet in America is going to report that Microsoft won E3."

Nnnoooooo.

(In all sincerity, Tomb Raider looked like the first Tomb Raider game I actually wanted to purchase and ME3 was ME3, though even if I owned an X360 I would refuse to utilize the Kinect stuff on principle. Everything else was basically garbage. I am not an FPS fan. And the Kinect looks like it and the Move are going to ruin hardcore gaming.)

EDIT: One thing that really bothered me about ME3 though was how stilted that dialogue exchange between Mordin and Shepard was. I was happy as hell to see Mordin, of course, but it did not sound like ME dialogue. I'm hoping that's just because it was it had to be edited down for time constraints.

[phil_]

Did you see how he could just tell his dudes to do stuff and they did it? That was pretty neat. At least Kinect has some impressive voice recognition.

[Solid Snake]

Did you see how he could just tell his dudes to do stuff and they did it? That was pretty neat. At least Kinect has some impressive voice recognition.

I'd never use it, though. I think it's actually a downgrade from pressing buttons.

It's like that whole "manipulate your TV without a controller" nonsense. If I have to tell the television to turn the volume up, isn't that more intrusive to my viewing experience than just using a controller?

And every single Kinect game just...oy. My problem is, doing all those elaborate and distinct movements just to get your avatar to do something seems more intrusive and more difficult to memorize than pressing the buttons. And nearly every Kinect game just looked like a downgrade in gameplay.

I'd be happier if I wasn't convinced that Sony's about to put me through the exact same crap with Move.

[Bob The Mercenary]

Halos 4, 5, 6 and anniversary edition 1 announced. Plus Minecraft for the Kinect.

I've seen all I need to see.

[Solid Snake]

Heh. I hadn't pegged you as a huge FPS fan, Rob.

[Bob The Mercenary]

What, cause I SUCK at them?

I'm more a fan of the story then the multiplayer really, having been engrossed by the books.

[Melfice]

So.
So. Minecraft on the Xbox 360. (http://www.joystiq.com/2011/06/06/minecraft-coming-to-360-and-kinect-this-winter/)

Kick back for another round of "FortressCraft copied Minecraft! SUE!"
(Or the other way around. That'd be something.)

EDIT: And of course I got ninja'd by Bob. At least I've got a link!

[Meister]

It's going to be pretty hilarious if you have to punch blocks to mine them in real-time. You're the repetitive stress injury!

[Loyal]

Nothing a little training montage couldn't fix. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHbfIPjmZys&t=6m45s)

[Kim]

Snake, while I'm not at all arguing that Microsoft had an awesome press conference, the whole anti-motion control appeal is... dumb. Especially the bit where you talk about how they almost ruined gaming. Overdramatic much?

[rpgdemon]

The way I see motion, it's just another tool in the analogical toolbox, not the only tool they have. When used well, it can be cool. To dismiss it solely on it being motion seems silly.

[Kim]

The way I see motion, it's just another tool in the analogical toolbox, not the only tool they have. When used well, it can be cool. To dismiss it solely on it being motion seems silly.

Pretty much this, and given that most of the games anti-Kinect/Move people are interested in offer choice of control schemes, complaining that Kinect/Move exists is pretty ridiculous. It's the selfish attitude of "If I'm not interested in it, it must not matter."

[Solid Snake]

Especially the bit where you talk about how they almost ruined gaming. Overdramatic much?

*sigh*

You remember how I recently went on a rant on how annoying it was that everyone always seems to interpret my comments much more seriously than they should?

This is another moment where folks are interpreting a moment where I am trying to be ridiculously melodramatic in an attempt to make a subjective point while being funny as an objective point intended to reflect my serious thoughts on an industry.

Why does that always happen, I must be the most terrible person ever at humor.

[Kim]

Well, you were being overdramatic about how they almost ruined gameplay to convey your feelings that motion control gameplay is inherently bad and Sony and Microsoft should feel bad for attempting it. It's not that we don't recognize exaggeration, but exaggerated complaints within the context of a legit complaint that is somewhat ridiculous guts the humor from the exaggeration.

[rpgdemon]

I just figure that you're highly opinionated, since you've shown to be such on other subjects in the past. I don't think poorly of you for it though. It's just that in the past, you've been melodramatic in seriousness about stuff that seemed of equal importance.

[Solid Snake]

Well, you were being overdramatic about how they almost ruined gameplay to convey your feelings that motion control gameplay is inherently bad and Sony and Microsoft should feel bad for attempting it. It's not that we don't recognize exaggeration, but exaggerated complaints within the context of a legit complaint that is somewhat ridiculous guts the humor from the exaggeration.


Actually being serious now:

I don't think motion controller stuff is inherently bad if you define 'good' and 'bad' from an objective standpoint of, for example, technological research and development, or some esoteric long-term qualifier like "Motion controlling will get more casual gamers into gaming and that's good because X." Heck I'm sure a game's already been made that is objectively awesome within the parameters of utilizing motion technology.

...It's just not for me. And insofar as I'm bitter at Microsoft and (possibly) Sony, it's not an objective bitterness of them being terrible people, it's a subjective bitterness at them no longer appearing to concentrate highlighting games that I want to play in a manner that I want to play them. None of my comments were intended to seriously suggest, melodramatically or otherwise, that Sony and Microsoft were making objectively horrific errors by doing so -- this could lead them to make fantastic profits, or lead to growth in the industry. I'm just not a fan, and that led me to be disappointed in Microsoft's E3 and hopeful that Sony wouldn't fall into the same habit and spend a majority of its conference promoting the heck out of the Move.

...Because objectively speaking, Microsoft actually spent something like more than 75% of its conference talking about Kinect features and Kinect functionality, and even if you like motion control stuff, I don't feel that's a healthy percentage.

But you should totally be ignoring my stupidity and having fun at E3, because you are in fact at E3.

[rpgdemon]

I'm personally hoping that Nintendo unveils that their new console is meant to cater to the "core" gamers again, now that Microsoft and Sony have both tried to jump into the blue ocean market that Nintendo went to in order to grab a ton of clients that no one was being competitive over.

It'd just be hilarious if Sony and Microsoft both go on about their motion controlled stuff, and how they plan to draw in new gamers, and Nintendo just goes, "Alright! We're back to the old stuff again, since that's where the profit is now!"


Edit: Also, I'm jealous of you for being at E3, mainly because I came to the shocking realization yesterday that, wait a minute, I actually am a person in the gaming industry. If only I'd come to this realization a few months ago. :(

[Solid Snake]

It'd just be hilarious if Sony and Microsoft both go on about their motion controlled stuff, and how they plan to draw in new gamers, and Nintendo just goes, "Alright! We're back to the old stuff again, since that's where the profit is now!"
I suppose that's possible with Project Cafe, but I'd certainly say the 3DS doesn't really seem to be headed in the direction of appealing to hardcore gamers (despite, admittingly, its reliance on remakes that certainly do qualify as 'old stuff', and do appeal to some in the hardcore crowd.)

[rpgdemon]

I honestly can't tell who the 3DS is catering to yet, since there's what, like 20 titles for it out so far? I haven't really seen anything that's made me go, "I NEED ONE", but the new Megaman Legends game seems interesting.

[Kim]

The 3DS is failing spectacularly in terms of Software. Nintendo has an hour tomorrow to convince people the Cafe will be awesome *and* that the 3DS is getting awesome games. I'm not sure they can do both.

[Melfice]

The 3DS is failing spectacularly in terms of Software. Nintendo has an hour tomorrow to convince people the Cafe will be awesome *and* that the 3DS is getting awesome games. I'm not sure they can do both.

It only takes them to announce a new Pokémon for a great deal of people to become interested in the 3DS.

[Solid Snake]

No major new ME3 news. =/
But the demo looked awesome.

[Kim]

The more time passes, the less I am interested in The Old Republic. The lack of gameplay trailers doesn't help.

Mass Effect looks rad, as always.

SSX looks to kick ass. Want.

[phil_]

_mike, concerning The Sims Social:

"I kinda want to scream."
"I think we just saw society die."

[Solid Snake]

I'm not an FPS fan by any means but Battlefield 3 looked much better than the Call of Duty game announced at the Microsoft conference IMO. Realistic destruction of buildings in gameplay helps.

[Jagos]

That was some seriously awesome stuff...

[Solid Snake]

That was some seriously awesome stuff...

It would have been if not for the presence of The Sims Social and its apparent goal of destroying all that is civilization.

[Marc v4.0]

Actually being serious now:

I don't think motion controller stuff is inherently bad if you define 'good' and 'bad' from an objective standpoint of, for example, technological research and development, or some esoteric long-term qualifier like "Motion controlling will get more casual gamers into gaming and that's good because X." Heck I'm sure a game's already been made that is objectively awesome within the parameters of utilizing motion technology.

...It's just not for me. And insofar as I'm bitter at Microsoft and (possibly) Sony, it's not an objective bitterness of them being terrible people, it's a subjective bitterness at them no longer appearing to concentrate highlighting games that I want to play in a manner that I want to play them. None of my comments were intended to seriously suggest, melodramatically or otherwise, that Sony and Microsoft were making objectively horrific errors by doing so -- this could lead them to make fantastic profits, or lead to growth in the industry. I'm just not a fan, and that led me to be disappointed in Microsoft's E3 and hopeful that Sony wouldn't fall into the same habit and spend a majority of its conference promoting the heck out of the Move.

...Because objectively speaking, Microsoft actually spent something like more than 75% of its conference talking about Kinect features and Kinect functionality, and even if you like motion control stuff, I don't feel that's a healthy percentage.

But you should totally be ignoring my stupidity and having fun at E3, because you are in fact at E3.

They focus on it a lot because it is new, they have to push it and sell it.

Regular controller technology doesn't have to be sold, it sells itself and has been and will continue to.

edit: Anyway, I demand Super Mario RPG 3DS

If I am going to burn my eyes in their sockets, I want to do it playing the best goddamn RPG game I have ever played. In a blaze of glory.

[rpgdemon]

edit: Anyway, I demand Super Mario RPG 3DS

If I am going to burn my eyes in their sockets, I want to do it playing the best goddamn RPG game I have ever played. In a blaze of glory.

Square couldn't make a good SMRPG anymore. They've gone on record stating that they'd like to make another one and have it starring a ton of FF characters, which would absolutely ruin it.

[Kim]

FUCK YOU UBISOFT FUCK YOU FUCKING FUCK SHIT

Was in line for their press conference. Most EVERYONE in line still wasn't inside. Most of the line had written confirmations from Ubisoft for attending the press conference. After making us wait in line for thirty minutes while they got their shit together, they told us "Sorry, we're at capacity. That's just the way it is."

[Marc v4.0]

Square couldn't make a good SMRPG anymore. They've gone on record stating that they'd like to make another one and have it starring a ton of FF characters, which would absolutely ruin it.

that is why it would be a remake of the original, ala Ocarina 3D

[Kim]

As before, Ubisoft wins the award for worst goddamn E3 conference.

[Azisien]

So every conference [so far?] has basically sucked, E3 basically sucks [so far?].

I tried really hard to be interested in the EA conference, but damn. It was all just pre-rendered bullshit. I sat there making jokes the whole time. Like...

The Old Republic: "Just play it, get lost in it, live in it."

In your second year in a row of pre-rendered video, that has nothing at all to do with the however many thousands of people working on this game? Or did you have some more latency-strapped combat to show me?

Seriously, all pre-rendered crap!












What? The BF3 was gameplay? Holy FU-
http://files.sharenator.com/head_explode_RE_paradox_time_lets_destroy_the_worl d-s431x300-105442.jpg

[phil_]

As before, Ubisoft wins the award for worst goddamn E3 conference.Any reasons besides you not getting in? 'Cause they showed quite a lot of neat stuff, like a new Rayman game that's actually Rayman, not rabbids. And that Farcry game looked neat and very pretty. And then there was Assassins Creed. Plus, almost everything except their exercise games was an actual demo being played live on stage as opposed to the pre-rendered stuff from EA.

Is it because of the guitar game?

[Solid Snake]

Was in line for their press conference. Most EVERYONE in line still wasn't inside. Most of the line had written confirmations from Ubisoft for attending the press conference. After making us wait in line for thirty minutes while they got their shit together, they told us "Sorry, we're at capacity. That's just the way it is."

On the bright side, you really didn't miss much. (But actually yeah that really sucks and you should raise some hell about it.)

EDIT: I basically agree with NonCon, Ubisoft's was the worst yet. Even leaving aside the games themselves for a moment, that comedian performer had so many unbearable cringe-worthy moments, and even at least one or two offhand comments that I felt were brazenly sexist. I'm shocked a random woman in the audience didn't boo him off the stage after the "Wii" joke, which also has the misfortune of being incredibly stale anyway.

(Forty percent of gamers are women! Let's show them our wiis! UUGGGGHHHH)

Only worthwhile game introduced was Assassin's Creed. I suppose Far Cry 3 could be okay but I honestly wasn't terribly impressed by it -- the undertones of racism combined with the fact that it honestly looked worse than Just Cause 2 despite also portraying a tropical island pretty much sealed that deal. And every other game was just...ugh. They ranged from mediocre to horrifyingly awful.

[Grimpond]

LOL tintin

[Azisien]

LOL tintin

http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/9/9e/HA_HA_HA,_OH_WOW.jpg

[Bob The Mercenary]

So happy I own a Kinect right now. Just caught up on the conferences for the day.

[Solid Snake]

All right guys so here's the deal, I'm looking very much forward to Sony's E3 this year because in addition to seeing Uncharted 3, The Last Guardian, and God of War Whatever, I have it on good authority that we're going to witness the premiere trailers and demos for Final Fantasy VII Remake, Persona 5, Suikoden 6, Final Fantasy XIII-Versus, Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne 2, Einhander 2, and Valkyria Chronicles 4 on PS3.

Do not correct me with your silly logic you should not crush my dreams they are all I have

EDIT: Watch how Sony gets my hopes up by being like "And now here's a super-secret PS3 exclusive from Square-Enix! It's the secret project you've all been waiting for!"
And then witness as it turns out to be a Kingdom Hearts spinoff starring a new clone of Sora as this clone of Sora goes through Sora's memories and relives the events of a previous Kingdom Hearts title albeit with an emphasis on a new battle between light and darkness with a faction that is missing an organ other than a heart or a body.

[Donomni]

Dare to dream, Snake. Dare to dream.

[Bob The Mercenary]

God help us if you're right, Snake. God help us all.

Also, Saints Row the Third. OMGPREORDER

Wait...Einhander 2? Really?

[phil_]

So, I was going to drinking game it up for Sony (Drink for "epic," "innovative," "exclusive," maybe some more), but then I heard that Sony's conference is going to be five hours. That's a little long to be drinking irresponsibly.

Are they trying to keep me up until one in the morning so that I can't watch Nintendo's conference or what? Why would they need five hours?

Edit: What's that, Gametrailers? "The conference will last around ninety minutes?" "It doesn't matter how many results google finds, if it isn't on the company's site, it isn't true?" Well, alright then.

[Solid Snake]

Clearly they need five hours due to the demo they're going to release of the Final Fantasy VII remake and how Square-Enix folks are going to show off every last nuance of the game. :P

[Marc v4.0]

Remade VII, which I have never played anyway, and XIII-VS might tip the scales for me on the descion to get a PS3 to gleam all shiny next to my 360 S

I have to say, at this point, if they don't remake VII then S-E deserves its slow, bewildered death. They sit on a throne of gold that fans have been begging and pleading to give up their money and organs to just touch. If they do not move forward with any plans for a VII remake, it is proof they hate money.

[phil_]

Not a single apology for the network outage. Stay classy, Sony.

[Doc ock rokc]

So, I was going to drinking game it up for Sony (Drink for "epic," "innovative," "exclusive," maybe some more)

You would die of Alcohol poisoning just minutes in.

[Marc v4.0]

Someone tell me in the morning if S-E hates money and success or not, I need to get to sleep.

[Solid Snake]

Man so after Microsoft's performance earlier today I thought all Sony had to do was show up and they'd win E3.

Boy, was I ever wrong.
This is depressingly bad. I'm almost ashamed to own a PS3. Thank heavens Uncharted came first so I'd have something to look forward to.

And what's up with Sony finding the most uncomfortable antisocial people to present?

[Bob The Mercenary]

Great job Jeremy.

[Azisien]

All they had to do was stage their E3 video getting hacked, and they would have won E3.

[Locke cole]

Hey! Sly Cooper!

[akaSM]

The kids in the X360 Disneyland game reminded me of the Kinectimals girl XD.

My bro wants get a console around the end of the year, Microsoft didn't really have anything that tipped the scale in their direction, I wonder what will Sony offer.

So far, the thing I remember the most about what's been shown on Sony's conference is...

Praystaishon

Dammit, stop playing that crappy clip after EVERY SINGLE TRAILER

[Doc ock rokc]

All these people fail a public speaking.

[akaSM]

So, the wifi only PSVita will sell at the same price that the 3DS does, I wonder how much will it actually cost in other countries (the 3DS is closer to 500 USD than it is to 250 USD here :/)

[phil_]

I'm easily impressed, aren't I? I was more entertained by Sony's conference than the others. They made a joke about "RIIIIIIIDGE RACER!" for crying out loud! The PSVita looks like it has some serious love behind its software (and that name is really good in my unimportant opinion). And a new Sly Cooper must've made someone's day.

I was hoping they'd announce, like, a new PS3 model that only plays Demons' Souls and Dark Souls for $19.99, but I guess that was a little unrealistic, huh?

[akaSM]

I don't think the conference was bad but, it kinda left me expecting more. Actually, I was waiting to see more videos and stuff after that dude stopped playing DJ Hero...then I noticed it was over XD.

The PSVita looks interesting for a similar reason the 3DS is interesting to me right now, it's got better graphics and hardware than my DS lite :P.

The PSVita graphics look awesome and the 3DS has 3D (derp) but, the OoT 3D trailer I saw some time ago has graphics that look closer to a N64 game than a GC game. Oh, and the 3DS' battery life...ugh.

I'll wait to see games I like before making a decision...actually, I think I'll wait for the revised version of either console.

[Ryong]

Y'know, I think I'm going with the PSVita. I'll have to wait years 'til it's at an acceptable price here, though.

I think the greatest moment at what I saw of E3 was INCEPTION MADDEN.

I still have no idea why that happened.

[Solid Snake]

I know this is an over-exaggeration but right now it feels like I'm eventually going to have to find a way to become content with the possibility that Bioware and Naughty Dog are really the only two developers left who give a damn about developing games I want to play. =/

I can't believe there wasn't even a God of War trailer as expected. If you think about it was there really anything important for the PS3 that wasn't already introduced in some previous iteration?

And was it just me or was there a real lack of Japanese games announced? We didn't hear a peep from Square-Enix. We didn't even get something akin to a "there are cool RPGs coming out for the PSP like Valkyria Chronicles 2 and Persona 3: FES!" throwaway line like we got last year, let alone a pick-me-up speech from Kevin Butler.

Really disappointed in Sony's presentation, it was even worse than last year's and I didn't think much of last year's. I miss the days when E3 genuinely shocked me with at least one trailer for a high-caliber release that I wasn't expecting. That being said I suppose the PS Vita looks cool and all, but it just feels like the majority of games I'm looking forward to on the PS3 are PS2 HD remakes.

[Locke cole]

There's still Nintendo's and, I think, Square's conferences tomorrow.

[Kim]

There's still Nintendo's and, I think, Square's conferences tomorrow.

Square has a conference?

[Locke cole]

From what I hear. I could be wrong.

[Kim]

Not seeing anything, but if you here a confirmation of that let me know.

[P-Sleazy]

You know what I love about this the most?

according to the E3 Expo website, the thing doesn't even start till Tuesday. So whats with all this crap going on on Monday?

[Locke cole]

Not seeing anything, but if you here a confirmation of that let me know.

I asked around, and it appears I may have been super mistaken.

[Kim]

according to the E3 Expo website, the thing doesn't even start till Tuesday. So whats with all this crap going on on Monday?

Press conferences. E3 is the booths and shit where I get to go play FFXIII-2 and tell you all that it's the best game ever and laugh at you all when you buy it. MUHAHAHAHAHA

[Jagos]

Square

Because they barely have money to flaunt their "new and improved" fantasy that isn't final...

[Kim]

Because they barely have money to flaunt their "new and improved" fantasy that isn't final...

That's not why...

That's just dumb.

[Locke cole]

They do have stuff comin' out that I want to know about. I know that people want some, well, any new info about Kingdom Hearts DDD, and that Type-0 thing actually looks really sweet.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

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...Yeah, so guess which developer I thought did the best presentation.

[Solid Snake]

Did Liara stoop so low as to voice the narrator in that FFXIII-2 trailer

Because that sure sounds like her

[Kim]

They do have stuff comin' out that I want to know about. I know that people want some, well, any new info about Kingdom Hearts DDD, and that Type-0 thing actually looks really sweet.

Type-0 has a really soon Japanese release date, but, last I heard, no confirmed US release date, so unless they announced a US release sometime this week, don't expect anything. As for the KH games, don't expect new info till TGS.

[Kim]

Atlus just announced they're localizing Devil Survivor 2 and King of Fighters XIII.

[Locke cole]

Devil Survivor 2's for the DS, right?

[Kim]

Devil Survivor 2's for the DS, right?

Yup, which is awesome cuz it means I get to keep putting off a 3DS purchase.

[Locke cole]

Nintendo brought a live orchestra to open their conference!

[phil_]

And that was the highlight of the conference.

[rpgdemon]

So, I only caught the very tail end, and saw a Luigi's Mansion 2 logo. What else did they announce, and what console is Luigi's Mansion 2 on?

[Kim]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

(Luigi's Mansion 2 is for the 3DS)

[Meister]

They put another screen in their console so you can play while someone else watches TV.











http://i.imgur.com/2Vu7E.png

[Locke cole]

Hm. The new controller is a pretty cool idea.

[Solid Snake]

My perception of E3: Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony are competing for a new generation of gamers that apparently does not include me.
I'll be back here playing my old-school PS2 era jRPGs, if any of those companies want to find me.

[akaSM]

Meister, I get you haven't played 4 swords adventures in the GC :P

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/5784/sias.png

I'll have to watch the nintendo conference some other day, I got (my last) 3 finals this week D:

[Kim]

More they just assume the things you care about wouldn't be worth announcing at E3 when they can be announced at TGS for their core demographic.

[rpgdemon]

Hm. The new controller is a pretty cool idea.

It looks absolutely terrible to use though. It's like they had a bunch of balance boards laying around, and were like, "Crap, what can we do with this?", then made it into a controller.

[Azisien]

My perception of E3: Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony are competing for a new generation of gamers that apparently does not include me.
I'll be back here playing my old-school PS2 era jRPGs, if any of those companies want to find me.

Yeah I'll second that, and I don't even play PS2 era jRPGs anymore. I mean there's some ME3 news and like 6 minutes of BF3 and that was neat, but it was so minimal compared to the junk they're pushing.

I'm actually forming an opinion against motion controlled gaming, to be honest. I was personally not interested in it very much, after being bored to death by the Wii twice, but I kept neutral on the matter. I know people that are enjoying Kinect, for instance. But honestly, I feel it's going beyond just my personal preference at this point, I think motion gaming is indirectly harming my own interests, now.

Watching these conferences, there's just so much effort going into these motion games, be they 100% motion or 50% or 20% or fully optional, it's detracting from games I give a shit about. Ride a fucking cart in Fable 4 with Kinect? Serious? How about spend the 10,000 man hours put into an optional Kinect bullshit cart and make Fable 4 a good fucking game [unlike Fable 3]. Was that ME3 kinect stuff real or not? Shit, if it's real, god damn, don't even get me started on motion gaming poking at my most beloved contemporary game franchise. Maybe Ubisoft would stop being near the top of most facepalm-y developers in my books if they stopped producing less garbage and focused on a few more powerful franchises (AC is a good example of this, even if its "changes" with each iteration are a bit dubious).

Sure, the economy is against me. Sales are probably against me. Perhaps I am even the minority opinion here; I probably am. That doesn't change a thing: this shit sucks, it's gimmicky, it has almost always sucked, and it will continue to suck until somebody important decides more sales can be found with some other gimmick and the industry moves in that direction. Shit sucks.

[akaSM]

Wait...is the Wii successor gonna be something that resembles the love child of the Wii and DS? I mean, that thing adds an extra screen (DS) and has waggle (Wii)

...wat

[phil_]

They put another screen in their console so you can play while someone else watches TV.But my TV isn't for watching. My TV is for video games. Why don't you understand this, Xzibit?Meister, I get you haven't played 4 swords adventures in the GC :P

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/5784/sias.pngSpeaking of, the free Four Swords game in the fall for DSi was unexpected.

Now I just have to wait until I know how I feel about a console aimed at people with a family and cable TV and $200 to blow on a controller.

[rpgdemon]

Speaking of, the free Four Swords game in the fall for DSi was unexpected.

Whaaaa? Is it gonna come to the 3DS too? Since that might be a reason to buy one. XD

[The Sevenshot Kid]

I watched the whole Nintendo conference and I saw jackshit on any unreleased Zelda titles. What the hell?

[akaSM]

I really liked Four Swords, both the ALttP extra and the GC game but they had a big issue. Not everyone has enough GBAs and ALttP games to play or not enough GBAs and GC-GBA cables :/.

Now, the game'll be free and, all that you need is a DSi? Heck, if that works with the 3DS I'm sold ^_^.

I welcome the return of what the GC-GBA cable started but....seriously, a new controller? The 3DS would've been able to handle that kind of things, right? And you would have 3 SCREENS instead of just two, just sayin' :P

[phil_]

I watched the whole Nintendo conference and I saw jackshit on any unreleased Zelda titles. What the hell?You didn't see flying chocobos and childhood-friend Zelda? That was new. Link actually has a personal reason to give a crap about saving Zelda from the get-go this time. And we got a Holiday 2011 release window.

EDIT: http://e3.nintendo.com/zelda/ Here, have a new trailer with both of those things and new monsters.
I really liked Four Swords, both the ALttP extra and the GC game but they had a big issue. Not everyone has enough GBAs and ALttP games to play or not enough GBAs and GC-GBA cables :/.

Now, the game'll be free and, all that you need is a DSi? Heck, if that works with the 3DS I'm sold ^_^.

I welcome the return of what the GC-GBA cable started but....seriously, a new controller? The 3DS would've been able to handle that kind of things, right? And you would have 3 SCREENS instead of just two, just sayin' :PSomething about this and I'm not sure what, hence why I quoted the whole thing reminds me that WiiU is a terrible name and I hate it.

Edit some more: Oh, look at that, Wii U only supports one touch pad controller at a time, meaning any multiplayer is either sharing the touch pad or using Wii remotes. So there goes any hope of new Four Swords type multiplayer games. But at least it all looks as pretty as the PS3 and Xbox now, that's what's really important.

Also, no Pandora's Tower or Last Story or Xenoblade outside of Japan. Awesome.

Keep on editing: Ha ha, I'm the maddest boy in the thread when it comes to the toys I actually want to play.

[Donomni]

Well, "Wee" and "Pee" are normally interchangeable.

Anywho, I'm thinking the Wee Woo's controller is gonna be hella expensive, what with the entire bit for the new console waving the damn thing in our faces, and the actual console in question as an object in the background that you probably didn't notice.

[phil_]

http://e3.nintendo.com/_ui/img/hw/playstyle/hardware/1.jpg

It's like the 360 and Wii had a little baby.

[Solid Snake]

Honestly even though a lot of my friends are gushing over the Wii U my big beef with it is, if I already own a PS3, why exactly would I want to purchase the Wii U? It sounds like most of its major third-party titles will simply be ports originally designed for the X360 and the PS3. Sure, I imagine the Wii U will eventually get its Smash and Zelda titles, but I don't understand how that really makes Nintendo any more competitive because it's still appealing to that same group of loyal Zelda / Metroid / Mario gamers and it's not really expanding to compete with Microsoft or Sony.

I think the biggest way this is going to backfire on Nintendo is when Microsoft and Sony undoubtedly push out the X720 and the PS4. I imagine that'll happen only a couple short years after Nintendo's Wii U release and it'll be the same mess as the Wii all over again for Nintendo -- the third party developers will migrate up to the X720 and the PS4, develop games for those, and Nintendo will be cut off.

Also what is up with Nintendo and their horrible naming conventions. At least Sony just named their new one Vida.

[phil_]

my big beef with it is, if I already own a PS3, why exactly would I want to purchase the Wii U?Mario and Zelda.the third party developers will migrate up to the X720 and the PS4, develop games for those, and Nintendo will be cut off.This will happen before those consoles are released, actually, since all the third party support seems to be ports of games that will be a year old or older by the time the WiiU is available. The people who want those games will have already played and beat them.Also what is up with Nintendo and their horrible naming conventions. At least Sony just named their new one Vida. They have to keep selling Wii Remotes until the WiiU's successor comes around, since those are the only input for other players, so it makes sense to keep "Wii" in the name. Doesn't make "WiiU" any less awful, but that's just how it has to be.

Also, "Vita," like the hammer-knight.

And I'm still gonna buy this thing, probably, if it costs less than a used car.

[Kerensky287]

Can we just call it the Wuu?

[Locke cole]

I figure, the ports are just we're seeing now, because the developers are makin' them alongside the versions going on the 360 and PS3. From what I hear of the Wuu's specs, it's stronger than the 360, so I'm confident we'll see stuff on there that they can't do for the 360 or PS3.

[Solid Snake]

They'll quickly have to worry about the X720 and the PS4, though.

It's an interesting gamble by Nintendo. I honestly half-expected them to keep pandering to casuals. If they're seriously going to try to make headway back into the hardcore with HD material, though, I think they're going to need a lot more than just ports. Ideally, they need at least one major third-party developer to work exclusively for the Wii U.

In other news I've never played an Elder Scrolls game before but Skyrim looks astoundingly good.

[Locke cole]

Well, I figure non-ports will happen soon enough. The system's still a year away, on average. What we're seeing now is just what's being made now. I figure dropping names like "Darksiders" and "Assassin's Creed", even if they're ports, was Nintendo's way of saying "Yeah, they're on board with us now".

In other news, I'm interested in the ways the new controller (which needs a name. "panUl"? No, that looks stUpid) could be used. You know, like that sniper-scope thing that was shown.

Or, like, say you're playing some new Metroid Prime-esque game. Your character could have a scanning device that looks like a big ol' panel (I've seen things like this in some shows), and when you pull out the device, you use the new controller to lock on to stuff to scan, while your character moves his device in the same way.

Or something, Idunno. I figure the panel-controller has potential.

[akaSM]

Or something, Idunno. I figure the panel-controller has potential.

It does. Think everything the DS can do, but with nicer graphics and a couple new things (motion control, camera and who knows what else does it have).

Also, maybe they didn't name it the "Wuu" because they fear a lawsuit from the pirates that have been selling Wü accessories and consoles (http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=30763) for quite some time .

[MFD]

My thoughts on the Wii U are here (http://www.foxedproductions.com/2011/06/nintendo-announces-wii-u-at-e3.html).

Also: Does this legitimize the original Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles?

[phil_]

So, for the Wii U every controller is an iPad.Actually, that should read "for the Wii U every controller is a Wii Remote except for a single iPad."

Because you can't hook up more than one WiiPad to the system.

So no Crystal Chronicles.

[Locke cole]

Has that been explicitly stated yet?

[Kerensky287]

I don't really care about what the console lacks or does not lack. What I care about is the games.

And apparently there's a new Smash Bros in development. One for both the Wuu and the 3DS.

*crosses fingers for Isaac (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101018184943/goldensun/images/thumb/f/fe/DDIsaac.png/172px-DDIsaac.png), Felix (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080203063440/goldensun/images/thumb/9/9b/GSFelix.jpg/204px-GSFelix.jpg) and/or Matthew (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101127185308/goldensun/images/thumb/f/fa/GSDDMatthew.jpg/175px-GSDDMatthew.jpg)*

[rpgdemon]

My thoughts on the Wii U are here (http://www.foxedproductions.com/2011/06/nintendo-announces-wii-u-at-e3.html).

Also: Does this legitimize the original Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles?

I love CC, but I don't think that the Wii U can run it, since it's only one panel per console, according to Gamasutra. I think Gamasutra said that.

[akaSM]

Because you can't hook up more than one WiiPad to the system.

I hope that, if you can't connect more than one of those controllers, you can at least use the 3DS, or even the DS so we can get more games like the first Crystal Chronicles game, of Four Swords Adventures :/

[Locke cole]

According to Reggie, in some interview, Nintendo apparently held back on talking about the upcoming Wii stuff because they mainly wanted to highlight the 3DS and Wii U for this conference.

[phil_]

According to Reggie, in some interview, Nintendo apparently held back on talking about the upcoming Wii stuff because they mainly wanted to highlight the 3DS and Wii U for this conference.If they don't give me my Last Story promised to my forefathers by the end of E3... :argh:

[Kim]

Just got back from day 1.

Games I checked out:

Dragon's Dogma
Street Fighter X Tekken
Some Resident Evil squad game I forget the name of
Yoostar 2
MGS: Peace Walker HD
Dark Souls
Ridge Racer: Unbounded
Final Fantasy XIII-2
Sonic Generations

Feel free to ask me whatever you want about these games. When I do my writeups and they're online I'll link them.

Also, feel free to tell me games I should check out and questions you want answered about stuff I haven't checked out.

[Kerensky287]

FF13-2 - are Noel and Serah as annoying as they look? And is the combat any different from the original?

Sonic Generations - Any hope whatsoever?

[rpgdemon]

Same question about Sonic Generations, and if they have Super Mario 3DS, if you wanna give that a try and let me know how the controls/jumping feel, that'd be cool.

I've really only enjoyed Mario 64, in terms of 3D Mario games, so if that could be a point of comparison, that'd be awesome. XD I love the 2D ones.

[Solid Snake]

Are the graphical improvements in Peace Walker HD substantial or does it basically look like a last-gen title?

Is Dragon's Dogma as awesome as they say it will be?

Also there are too many games on your list that are not named "Mass Effect 3." :P

[Locke cole]

Sonic Generations - Any hope whatsoever?

Dude they just announced City Escape for it. Things are goin' fiiine.

[Kim]

FF13-2 - are Noel and Serah as annoying as they look? And is the combat any different from the original?

Sonic Generations - Any hope whatsoever?

Didn't see enough plot and dialogue to say if they're annoying. Serah did a really stupid pose with a bow that magically appeared at one point. That was dumb. Also the bow is a transformed mog.

Combat is mostly the same, but a flan was in my party as well, and by attacking enemies I built up a gauge for it that I could use to do a QTE attack. There were a few QTEs during a boss fight as well that made it finish more quickly.

There are some dialogue choices and multiple gameplay paths you can follow, as well as a nice little puzzle diversion I found. In other words, looks much better than FFXIII already.

Sonic Generations was fun as old school Sonic cuz it was basically an updated version of stage one from Sonic 1 that looked nice as hell. Controlled nice and I dug the physics. You can spin up by pressing a button, or by pressing down and a button. Either way works. Didn't play as new Sonic.


Are the graphical improvements in Peace Walker HD substantial or does it basically look like a last-gen title?

Is Dragon's Dogma as awesome as they say it will be?

Also there are too many games on your list that are not named "Mass Effect 3." :P


Peace Walker looks like shit. Crisp as hell, but old-ass textures.

Dragon's Dogma is essentially Capcom doing Demon's Souls, but not as good. There are some differences, and it's not bad, but when you remind of Demon's Souls you're gonna fall short.

[Bob The Mercenary]

Is this real or fake?

http://www.gameinformer.com/blogs/members/b/mray901_blog/archive/2011/04/01/square-enix-announces-final-fantasy-7-remake.aspx

[Kim]

Seeing as that was posted ON APRIL 1ST I'm gonna guess fake.

[Locke cole]

So, Super Mario Bros 3D has a level based on Legend of Zelda games. Top-down, Zelda jingles, those annoying bouncing spikes from Link To the Past, the works.

Skyward Sword has this tripped-out other dimension called the Siren Realm. Works a lot like Twilight-corrupted lands. Also, the sword-girl is named Fi.

Oh, and Pikmin 3 for the Wii U.

[phil_]

NonCon, tell me about Dark Souls. Can you be a vampire? Can you not be a vampire?

Just...

Just tell me everything. Tell me about buttons and loading screens. Everything.

But, mostly I want to know if character creation determines more than starting stats and equipment. Not likely that you got to make a dude, but maybe your experience gave you some hints?

[Kim]

But, mostly I want to know if character creation determines more than starting stats and equipment. Not likely that you got to make a dude, but maybe your experience gave you some hints?

I don't know if you can be a vampire or a not vampire. I'm not sure how I could tell. We were given six classes to choose from. Given the UI setup for that bit, I think they're probably the only classes.

Changes that made the game harder: My sword now bounces off walls and shit when it should. Shielded enemies are much better about using their shields and blocking, only opening themselves up when they attack. One time two red phantoms invaded my world at once, which never happened to me in Demon's Souls. Magic, at least with the class I chose, was a number of uses thing, rather than a mana thing. I fucking dig that cuz it's Dungeons and Dragons as hell.

Changes that made the game easier: It could see where the hell I was going. You don't *seem* to take slivers of damage even from hits that you block, but there are attacks that can damage you even if you block them, it seemed. My health wasn't at half the whole time. Not sure if this is a permanent change, or just to make the demo feasible for E3. There are checkpoints in the form of campfires, and you can restore health and spells by sitting at one, though enemies respawn when you do, I think.

I fought two gargoyles. It was hella sweet. Graphics are better too. Game is aces.

[Bob The Mercenary]

Oh fuck me.

[Grimpond]

Oh fuck me.

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk282/lordofchaos34/romantic-dinner-for-two.jpg

Will you bring the movie? :dance:

[phil_]

DARK SOULS!I'd ask you what the classes are, but I'm sure every game site on the net will have that info. Thanks for your impressions.Oh fuck me.Care to elaborate?

[Bob The Mercenary]

Care to elaborate?

I fell for an April Fool's joke in June.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

XD oh bob... lol

Noncon what about ridgeracer unbounded? Does it piss on everything that made ridge racer unique or is it actually worth playing?

[Solid Snake]

I fell for an April Fool's joke in June.

It is strangely fitting for you, as I've always had you pegged as the most gullible and naive here at NPF. :P

[Kim]

XD oh bob... lol

Noncon what about ridgeracer unbounded? Does it piss on everything that made ridge racer unique or is it actually worth playing?

I dunno. I've never played Ridge Racer. This game looks fast, and you get a destruction meter that you can use to smash into other cars and make them blow up or smash through walls and shit for shortcuts. Heavy emphasis on destruction. Looks great.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

I dunno. I've never played Ridge Racer. This game looks fast, and you get a destruction meter that you can use to smash into other cars and make them blow up or smash through walls and shit for shortcuts. Heavy emphasis on destruction. Looks great.

Okay so its still the drift racing beauty only now with added carnage then.

I can live with that I guess.

[Marc v4.0]

They'll quickly have to worry about the X720 and the PS4, though.

I doubt soon is the right word to use, especially for MS. I know Sony talked about pushing the PS4 out early, but I think that might be akin to suicide if they go ahead at this point. Customer satisfaction and trust aren't exactly at their highest, and that is going to linger a bit.

I doubt MS is going to make a move without knowing they need to keep up with Sony.

Really, as far as graphics and technology are concerned, we're already close to as good as it is going to get for home consoles at the prices we have. If they are smart, they can keep riding on the current gen by keeping up hardware and software without changing the formats. Unless MS switches to Blu-Ray or discovers a comparable alternative their tech will catch up to Sony eventually through upgrades, because Sony can only push so far ahead of of the curb. It affords you a head start, but then you have to wait for the curb to get a fair bit ahead of you again before you can make another significant push.

[Azisien]

Damn you Cryptic. (http://www.playneverwinter.com/)

Like, okay. I'm kind of excited for this, just a little. I know I shouldn't be, at all. I know it's going to let me down, somehow. Champions Online was a disappointment, and Star Trek Online was awful too. I heard STO got a little easier to stomach after some patching, but still! Impressions matter.

My impression of Cryptic games is that they're decent character creation tools packaged with mediocre games. Not to mention they're god damn MMOs, which is the stale sandwich of the gaming industry.

But damn it! The Foundry? Build your own adventures for your friends? Fuck! That might be good!

[Meister]

My impression after the Microsoft press conference is that Kinect is a fantastic piece of technology with tons of possible applications that is spectacularly unfit for being used as a video game interface. Also holy shit so many shooters that all look the same :wtf:

My impression after the Nintendo conference is that the WiiU (I repeat: :wtf:) controller is a pretty neat piece of technology with quite a few possible applications, most of them in gaming, but let's not kid ourselves, every third party developer will put menus and inventory screens on it and consider the job done.

e: Arkham City's coming out for the WiiU, right? Here's how you instantly make that the must-get version: detective mode through the controller screen.

[Locke cole]

I'm cool with the UPanel being Used for inventories and sUch. Even if it woUld have the DS-esqUe feeling of wasted potential, in the end it's still making things more convinient by removing extra fiddly bits of HUD from the main screen.

And yes, detective mode throUgh the UPanel would be great. I'd go as far as to say that jUst about any game where you have an alternative viewing mode shoUld do something like that.

Like any Metroid Prime sUccessor, for example.

[Marc v4.0]

e: Arkham City's coming out for the WiiU, right? Here's how you instantly make that the must-get version: detective mode through the controller screen.



http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4549162/imagesCAXSJA37.jpg

[Osterbaum]

From what I've heard they're already doing something to the detective mode that will make it so you can't or wont want to use it ALL the time. Which was it's main problem in my opinion.

[Donomni]

So, NonCon, how's Kirby's Mass Effect Attack? I know you probably don't want to be near Kirby Wii: Kirby Super Star: Kirby Super Star HARDER, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on the DS game.

[P-Sleazy]

My impression after the Nintendo conference is that the WiiU (I repeat: :wtf:) controller is a pretty neat piece of technology with quite a few possible applications, most of them in gaming, but let's not kid ourselves, every third party developer will put menus and inventory screens on it and consider the job done.

I don't remember where I read it, but apperently one of the mini games they're making is gonna be 5 players on the same console. It'll be alot like pac-man, where you'll have one player be the "pac-man" and he'll use the new controller. He'll get that nice screen on the controller, complete with a map of the maze he's running around in that displays where the other 4 people are. He'll have to Try to avoid the other 4 players who will be splitting the TV and using the current Wii-motes.

So, nintendo's definetly going to try to showcase the variability of the new controller and ways developers can use it so its not just used as a menu area. But then, we'll see how developers take hold of it.

[Locke cole]

Apparently the system will be sold with a new controller, and the controllers won't be sold separately.

I.E. The system supports one new controller at a time. Looks like multiplyer will be mainly with standard Wiimote setups, with the exception of 5-player alternate perspective stuff, like they've shown at E3.

[Kim]

Today I checked out:

Catherine
Sonic Generations (New Sonic)
Rayman Origins
Neverdead
Skyrim
Rage
Prey 2
El Shaddai
Probably something I've forgotten

[Bob The Mercenary]

No real specific questions on Skyrim other than "how was it?" and "is it worth my money?"

[Kyanbu The Legend]

How's rayman origins? Is it an actual fucking platformer now? Cause I am about sick of those raving rabbits mini games.

[phil_]

In Neverdead, what's the button for "RIP OFF OWN HEAD!?"

Edit: Wait wait wait, real question now. I just watched some dude playing Dark Souls. Where was the magic bar? Is there no MP in this game?

[Solid Snake]

Please tell me that Catherine was amazing enough to justify my preorder. (Note that I already know that it is, and I will only presume you are lying to me if you say otherwise.)

As for Skyrim, I wonder if you think it's the kind of RPG experience I'd enjoy. I've never played the Elder Scrolls series before. Past installments have not interested me. But Skyrim looks gorgeous.

[The Wandering God]

Are there any big name titles for the regular DS and/or DSi?

[Grimpond]

Edit: Wait wait wait, real question now. I just watched some dude playing Dark Souls. Where was the magic bar? Is there no MP in this game?

Magic, at least with the class I chose, was a number of uses thing, rather than a mana thing. I fucking dig that cuz it's Dungeons and Dragons as hell.

Think he already answered that.

[Kim]

Please tell me that Catherine was amazing enough to justify my preorder. (Note that I already know that it is, and I will only presume you are lying to me if you say otherwise.)

Catherine's great. It really sticks with the Law/Chaos thing with its morality choices, and you may be surprised by which answers fit with which alignments if you let yourself slide into Good/Bad mentality for alignments.

As for Skyrim, I wonder if you think it's the kind of RPG experience I'd enjoy. I've never played the Elder Scrolls series before. Past installments have not interested me. But Skyrim looks gorgeous.Skyrim is all about them building a really immersive, living world. Townspeople have jobs now, and you can work jobs as well. Each town has a local economy, and you can actually influence that economy, like by sabotaging the lumber mill.

Another cool element was the character picked a fight with a giant and some mammoths. Partway through the fight a dragon swooped down, carried the giant into the air, and dropped it to its death. Then the dragon started fighting the player.

From what I saw, they fixed the presentation, which was Oblivion's biggest failing. Leveling seems the same, but as you level you can pick cool perks from constellation trees. You can also select focuses at statues so that certain types of skills will level faster than others, but you can only have one focus at a time. Like, you can focus on warrior skills OR mage skills OR thief skills. That sort of thing.

If a really well developed world is something that would draw you into a game, it's worth checking out.

How's rayman origins? Is it an actual fucking platformer now? Cause I am about sick of those raving rabbits mini games. Rayman Origins is very fun and great visually. It is a platformer.

[Marc v4.0]

But Skyrim looks gorgeous.

You've mentioned looks a few times now here, and I have to wonder if you apply any other basis to a game before you consider it, or it looking pretty is that important.

[Solid Snake]

You've mentioned looks a few times now here, and I have to wonder if you apply any other basis to a game before you consider it, or it looking pretty is that important.

...Yes, because having read all other posts I've made about other videogames everywhere it's clear that I care only and exclusively for graphics.
What the hell's up with that comment anyway? It adds absolutely nothing to the discussion. It's just a potshot intended to...what exactly? Attack my credibility? Aggravate me? Make me feel stupid for daring to be impressed with Skyrim's graphics?

If it's a 'legitimate' question, there are far better ways to word it that don't insinuate a broad attack on my character or my judgment. Hell, ask me whether I'm just impressed with Skyrim's graphics or whether I'm equally intrigued by its gameplay mechanics or the Norse influence in its storyline or the dragon battles or some shit. Or for fuck's sake, take a look at my posting history or consider what I mentioned about other E3 games in this topic before shooting your mouth.
...And if it's just your attempt at 'subtle' trolling, try not to be so brazenly obvious at it.

[Kim]

PS Vita is gonna be region free omg omg omg omg omg omg omg

[Meister]

Damn Snake. As critical remarks go that's a pretty harmless one to get set off by like that.

Don't accuse people of trolling, either. Report and ignore. Replying to a genuine troll post is just about the least productive way to handle it.



on topic: Assassin's Creed for WiiU is set to use the controller screen for maps and inventory and eagle vision (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-06-09-assassins-creed-wii-u-detailed). So that's good! This might end up the default use for any game that features an alternative view mode, and I have no objections.

[Marc v4.0]

...Yes, because having read all other posts I've made about other videogames everywhere it's clear that I care only and exclusively for graphics.
What the hell's up with that comment anyway? It adds absolutely nothing to the discussion. It's just a potshot intended to...what exactly? Attack my credibility? Aggravate me? Make me feel stupid for daring to be impressed with Skyrim's graphics?

If it's a 'legitimate' question, there are far better ways to word it that don't insinuate a broad attack on my character or my judgment. Hell, ask me whether I'm just impressed with Skyrim's graphics or whether I'm equally intrigued by its gameplay mechanics or the Norse influence in its storyline or the dragon battles or some shit. Or for fuck's sake, take a look at my posting history or consider what I mentioned about other E3 games in this topic before shooting your mouth.
...And if it's just your attempt at 'subtle' trolling, try not to be so brazenly obvious at it.

I've just noticed a few mentions of graphical details, presented in a context that they carried a fair degree of weight. On top of throwing around terms like "Hardcore" and "Casual", I am a bit curious as to what really makes it or breaks it, really, for you. The Skyrim thing seemed to be a bit weird to me, it stood out as Morrowind and Oblivion are fantastic games(Morrowind generally is considered better but I had more immediate fun with Oblivion) and the way it was said made it seem like you hadn't considered them for play because of their looks.

I could have been much more elaborate to begin with, but it was 4:25am and I had been up for a total of 15 minutes. Still, just cause you don't like the wording doesn't mean I'm trying to troll you or attack you. Jesus.

[Solid Snake]

I've just noticed a few mentions of graphical details, presented in a context that they carried a fair degree of weight. On top of throwing around terms like "Hardcore" and "Casual", I am a bit curious as to what really makes it or breaks it, really, for you. The Skyrim thing seemed to be a bit weird to me, it stood out as Morrowind and Oblivion are fantastic games(Morrowind generally is considered better but I had more immediate fun with Oblivion) and the way it was said made it seem like you hadn't considered them for play because of their looks.

It wasn't the graphics that bothered me with Morrowind or Oblivion, it was their storylines, or more appropriately their lack of what I interpreted to be a cohesive narrative framework.

You could say that I think Skyrim looks so gorgeous graphically that I'm suddenly curious as to whether Elder Scrolls has overcome its narrative faults, because if it had and if NPCs acted more like living breathing entities and there was an overarching plot I'd be quite excited for the title.

I know that NonCon knows I'm really into stories and character development and well-fleshed personalities in my videogames because we IM each other about our videogame preferences all the time, and it's a preference I've also articulated frequently in other NPF topics. So I (correctly) surmised that I didn't really need to go into thorough detail regarding my perspective in order for NonCon to understand what I was asking him, and he basically told me exactly what I wanted to know.

I'm just not sure how you'd interpret my perspective on a single game as representative of my viewpoints of an entire medium, and then feel it was appropriate to insinuate I only cared about graphics in all videogames, when even a cursory search would disavow you of that perspective. It was unnecessarily antagonistic wording at best.

I could have been much more elaborate to begin with, but it was 4:25am and I had been up for a total of 15 minutes. Still, just cause you don't like the wording doesn't mean I'm trying to troll you or attack you. Jesus.

How long you've been awake has absolutely no bearing on anything.

This whole situation is just akin to the following hypothetical:
I say: "The new series of Atomic Robo comics looks amazing, they're so well-drawn."
And then you respond with: "You've been talking up the artwork in graphic comics so much, you must be illiterate and incapable of appreciating classical novels."

And I maintain that it's just plain wrong, regardless of your intent, to transform an offhand comment of praise for a product into a stinging criticism of a person. NPF accepts subtle shifts into ad hominem territory far too often, and generally speaking, it just shouldn't happen much at all.

[Marc v4.0]

It wasn't the graphics that bothered me with Morrowind or Oblivion, it was their storylines, or more appropriately their lack of what I interpreted to be a cohesive narrative framework.

You could say that I think Skyrim looks so gorgeous graphically that I'm suddenly curious as to whether Elder Scrolls has overcome its narrative faults, because if it had and if NPCs acted more like living breathing entities and there was an overarching plot I'd be quite excited for the title.

Morrowind has an amazing over-reaching story that was much better then many games I've played since.

...Oblivion was pretty.

How long you've been awake has absolutely no bearing on anything.

It has a very clear and direct bearing on if I am currently awake enough to express my point properly

This whole situation is just akin to the following hypothetical:
I say: "The new series of Atomic Robo comics looks amazing, they're so well-drawn."
And then you respond with: "You've been talking up the artwork in graphic comics so much, you must be illiterate and incapable of appreciating classical novels."

And I maintain that it's just plain wrong, regardless of your intent, to transform an offhand comment of praise for a product into a stinging criticism of a person. NPF accepts subtle shifts into ad hominem territory far too often, and generally speaking, it just shouldn't happen much at all.

Ya know, you are an OK guy and everything, but this hard-on you have for being the victim that no one likes is actually making me not like you.

[Solid Snake]

It has a very clear and direct bearing on if I am currently awake enough to express my point properly

Anyone should be held responsible for the content of their posts regardless of how tired or alert they are.
No one would say that I was immune from being reprimanded if I insulted folks when I was 'drunk' or 'depressed' or 'tired.'



Ya know, you are an OK guy and everything, but this hard-on you have for being the victim that no one likes is actually making me not like you.

Oh hey, look, more personalized ad hominem crap.
Your comment would seem to make it even less believable that you didn't intend to upset me in the first place, wouldn't it? Because apparently you believed from the start that I had a 'hard-on for being the victim' but then deliberately chose an antagonistic ad hominem way to criticize my praise of Skyrim anyway.

[Marc v4.0]

Yes, everyone should be held accountable for trolling or being a dick on purpose or any other infraction of the rules.

I wasn't. My post were poorly worded because I was just waking up. I shouldn't be held responsible because YOU decided that I was trolling and then also decided to throw out my explaination that "No, I was barely awake and wasn't as clear as I wanted to be" because you are just convinced I was being a dick.

It really isn't ad hominem If you have demonstrated a tendancy to add words to peoples posts or claim personal attacks that didn't happen.

However, it DOES color my interactions with you. I try to avoid being critical of you at all because I don't want to get dragged in to shit like this, and in my sleepy haze I completely forgot that. I'm sorry, I won't make that mistake again.

[Solid Snake]

I wasn't. My post were poorly worded because I was just waking up. I shouldn't be held responsible because YOU decided that I was trolling and then also decided to throw out my explaination that "No, I was barely awake and wasn't as clear as I wanted to be" because you are just convinced I was being a dick.

Read my initial response again. I didn't 'decide you were trolling.' I delineated that you trolling me was a possible explanation for your actions, but I articulated the possibility that you simply chose exceptionally poor wording as well. And more importantly, I explained the issues I had with your 'poorly worded' post, which are equally relevant articulations regardless of whether you merely worded your thoughts poorly or you had something more sinister in mind.


It really isn't ad hominem If you have demonstrated a tendancy to add words to peoples posts or claim personal attacks that didn't happen.

If everyone here thinks so poorly of me that any objection I make to an offensive or unnecessarily hostile criticism made is automatically and inherently countered by the 'presumed tendency' of my personality type, then that's really a sign that I should leave this community because I've lost every case and controversy before they've even begun.

It's also a circular argument, a self-fulfilling prophecy: The more I react to criticism the more you dislike me, the more you dislike me the more you insult and criticize me, the more you criticize me the more I react to the criticism.

But that's beside the point. What bothers me is that I can't even praise a videogame here at NPF without being personally attacked for it, and you think that's an unreasonable concern? You can't really say that this is all just a byproduct of my thin skin when I've been a member of a several online communities and never run into knee-jerk personal critiques that severe.

[Marc v4.0]

You weren't personally attacked for praising a game! It was a question of pure curiosity. You took it as a personal attack and you kept taking at a personal attack even when I have said it wasn't meant to be at all.

[Meister]

Snake I'd like to see you make an active effort to not treat every bit of criticism directed at you as a deathly insult towards your person that is specifically engineered to drive you off the forum forever. Because that is what you do, intentionally or not, and you regularly absolutely refuse to let go of that idea once you've got it in your head no matter what anyone says. Mostly because whenever someone tries to explain that to you you also treat it as a personal attack. Whether it's someone mentioning "your walls of pink text" and you spinning that into "'horrible pink walls of text' that you hate so much because you apparently think I'm Satan incarnate," or whether it's Marc asking a very slightly critical question that you treat as if he'd called you illiterate, it happens a lot.

Back to E3 news and discussion now, let's take any further input on this to PMs.

[Bobbey]

I'm excited for Skyward Sword to say the least (then again, I'm always excited for a new Zelda game), although I wasn't really impressed with the WiiU. The controller seems a bit off-putting, although maybe with time one could get used to it (and I'm curious to how exactly they can implement it for futur games). Basically, the WiiU is one big Nintendo DS. The possibility of playing 5 players is kinda cool though.

One thing though is that I find Sony could possibly do something similar to the WiiU by using the Vita as an actual controller for the PS3 or any futur console they decide to make (although I have no clue if that would be anytime soon) and if they do, Nintendo might be in a little trouble. I'm also excited for Skyrim, although I'm probably not going to play it since I'm terrible at FPS games in general (unless the 3rd person is easier to control, then I'll definately try it). I'll watch my boyfriend play it though^^

I'll probably be getting a 3DS sometime in the future, since right now money is extremely scarce and I need it for food :/. Ocarina of time, Starfox64 and Paper Mario are probably going to be my top buys.

[P-Sleazy]

5 bucks says that at next years E3 conference nintendo announces that the WiiU also does 3D for those fancy 3D tvs (of course his is optional for games).

[Marc v4.0]

I really think Nintendo is trolling Microsoft and Sony while living off the fresh lifeblood of the non-gamer market.

[Loyal]

Could I get some links to the more exciting/entertaining parts of Nintendo's conference?

[akaSM]

I'll probably be getting a 3DS sometime in the future, since right now money is extremely scarce and I need it for food :/. Ocarina of time, Starfox64 and Paper Mario are probably going to be my top buys.

This, with emphasis on "future"

Just add Link's Awakening and that free Four Swords game to the list ^_^.

The PSVita has nice hardware but, I've never bought a console just for it's hardware, I buy it because it has games I know I'll like. Then again, if the PSVita gets anything that interests me, and I have some extra money, I could get one.

Also, NonCon, you said that the Vita would be region free, IIRC, the Vita will get it's games like the Go did, i.e. via downloads. How would region free impact it? How do you think it would work?

[Kim]

I get to see stuff for the next Hitman game. Trying to get to E3 early to check out ME3. Also gonna try and check out Dead Island and Silent Hill Downpour. Today is my actual appointment for FFXIII-2, so I may be in a situation where I can ask questions about it, so if you guys have any not-rude questions you think I should ask, let me know. Same for Hitman.

I'll try to check out some Nintendo and PS Vita stuff, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to. Nintendo is the king of long lines, and that's time I could spend checking out other stuff. I can't figure out where Sony keeps their PS Vitas, and I wonder if it might be something I'd need an appointment to check out.

I forgot to mention I checked out No More Heroes: Heroes Paradise yesterday with Playstation Move controls. I think the Playstation Move controls are actually less responsive than the Wii remote ones, but you can also play with a regular controller, so cool.

Also forgot to mention I checked out Ninja Gaiden 3 which is disappointing if you go in expecting something that has the same strengths Ninja Gaiden and Ninja Gaiden 2 had, which I did.

Could I get some links to the more exciting/entertaining parts of Nintendo's conference?

I'm not sure if I could find a clip of Reggie saying "deeper and wider." That was the only entertaining part.

Also, NonCon, you said that the Vita would be region free, IIRC, the Vita will get it's games like the Go did, i.e. via downloads. How would region free impact it? How do you think it would work?

Actually, IIRC it uses cartridges.

[Melfice]

Also, NonCon, you said that the Vita would be region free, IIRC, the Vita will get it's games like the Go did, i.e. via downloads. How would region free impact it? How do you think it would work?

Limiting content via payment methods and other checks.
It's already done on the PS3.

I can't get paid content from the PSN since I don't have an American credit card (circumventable, of course), and if I do get that content, I need an American game disc.

For Vita:
Can't get paid content from PSN since you don't have the proper credit card.
Content bought from the US store would only work on US handhelds, EU store on EU handhelds.

It's certainly possible.

EDIT: Wait. Shit. I completely misinterpreted that post, didn't I?

Argh!

[rpgdemon]

I'm excited for Skyward Sword to say the least (then again, I'm always excited for a new Zelda game), although I wasn't really impressed with the WiiU. The controller seems a bit off-putting, although maybe with time one could get used to it (and I'm curious to how exactly they can implement it for futur games). Basically, the WiiU is one big Nintendo DS. The possibility of playing 5 players is kinda cool though.

Pretty much this. I thought the new Wii U controller looked terrible to use.

[Marc v4.0]

So is the PSVita going to have access to the same PSOne list as the PS3 does from PSN? Cause uh...portable Legend of Mana might be the biggest deal-maker for me.

[phil_]

The Wii U controller would be really neat and exciting if every player could use one, and I look forward to Nintendo announcing that I'm wrong about that not being the case. I mean, it isn't an issue of processing power; we've been scaling down multiplayer graphics since the Super Nintendo. Maybe it's a channel thing concerning the magic electro-waves that I don't understand.

As for Grimpond's timely reminder, thanks. There are numbers on the spells and everything. I'm dumb.Could I get some links to the more exciting/entertaining parts of Nintendo's conference?Go here: http://e3.nintendo.com. There's way more info here than during their conference, split into non-continuous chunks (as opposed to a ninety minute presentation) suited for today's man on the go.

Just don't watch the Game Guide stuff. It's just someone saying stuff that's self-evident from the trailers over clips of said trailers. You don't even get to watch her play the game. Just watch the trailers and cut out the middle-man.

[Loyal]

Go here: http://e3.nintendo.com. There's way more info here than during their conference, split into non-continuous chunks (as opposed to a ninety minute presentation) suited for today's man on the go.

Just don't watch the Game Guide stuff. It's just someone saying stuff that's self-evident from the trailers over clips of said trailers. You don't even get to watch her play the game. Just watch the trailers and cut out the middle-man.That works, thanks.

[akaSM]

Actually, IIRC it uses cartridges.

Cool, no more scratchy discs, and I actually like having my games physically.

Limiting content via payment methods and other checks.
It's already done on the PS3.

I can't get paid content from the PSN since I don't have an American credit card (circumventable, of course), and if I do get that content, I need an American game disc.

For Vita:
Can't get paid content from PSN since you don't have the proper credit card.
Content bought from the US store would only work on US handhelds, EU store on EU handhelds.

It's certainly possible.

EDIT: Wait. Shit. I completely misinterpreted that post, didn't I?

Argh!

The PSVita gets more and more interesting.

Don't worry about misinterpreting my posts, they tend to be chunks of unintelligible text :P. Anyway, what you said was relevant to what I asked ^_^

[Donomni]

I get to see stuff for the next Hitman game. Trying to get to E3 early to check out ME3. Also gonna try and check out Dead Island and Silent Hill Downpour. Today is my actual appointment for FFXIII-2, so I may be in a situation where I can ask questions about it, so if you guys have any not-rude questions you think I should ask, let me know. Same for Hitman.

I suppose the XIII-2 question I want to ask is this: what happened to the other party members of FF XIII?

Besides the obvious "Where the fuck is Sazh?", where's Snow? Does he know Serah is wandering around with a moogle and another guy?

[Doc ock rokc]

http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/halolz-dot-com-wiiu-e3-mentokthemindtaker1.jpg
http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/halolz-dot-com-wiiu-e3-mentokthemindtaker2.jpg

[Kim]

I suppose the XIII-2 question I want to ask is this: what happened to the other party members of FF XIII?

Lightning's style is so delightfully Valkyrie it hurts. She's still uberstrongfuckyou from kicking ass in the last game, and a clip I was shown had her fighting Chaos Bahamut and winning easily.

Besides the obvious "Where the fuck is Sazh?", where's Snow? Does he know Serah is wandering around with a moogle and another guy?

No clue on these.

[Jagos]

Interesting... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efFfQme3MYY&feature=player_embedded)

[Kim]

I want to beat Vanillaware to death with their own character designs.

[Jagos]

"They overdid it" is an understatement.

[Loyal]

...is Liefield doing games now?

http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/halolz-dot-com-wiiu-e3-mentokthemindtaker1.jpg
http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/halolz-dot-com-wiiu-e3-mentokthemindtaker2.jpg

Also. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsRfQMEyul0)

[Professor Smarmiarty]

WiiiiiiiiiiiU WiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiU WiiiiiiiiiiiiiU!
Only thing I'm interested in!

[phil_]

The console or making that noise?

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I don't even know anymore. It started out as column A but now I'm pretty firmly in column B.

[Kim]

Anarchy Reigns is cool. What little I played makes it look like a party brawler. Plus, it has a bunch of MadWorld characters in it, and that's just fucking awesome.

[Kim]

So here's my official preview of FFXIII-2 (http://www.msxbox-world.com/xbox360/previews/10183/final-fantasy-xiii-2/preview.html)

[Krylo]

So we can basically sum that up as "FFXIII, but better in every way"?

[Kim]

So we can basically sum that up as "FFXIII, but better in every way"?

Pretty much.

Also, I did a thing on Dragon's Dogma. (http://www.msxbox-world.com/xbox360/previews/10185/dragons-dogma/preview.html)

Also also, there's apparently a Sonic Generations demo up, and I highly recommend you all check it out as I assume it's the demo we had at E3.

[Fifthfiend]

Interesting... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efFfQme3MYY&feature=player_embedded)

I love how the dwarf is like 95% torso