Delve into the Clockworks - A Spiral Knights Thread

[Arcanum]

So Spiral Knights is so awesome that it deserves its own thread. For those who don't know SK is now available on Steam and it is FREE! It's also like 500 MB so those of you with slow connections don't have to spend half a year downloading an awesome free game.

Also I figured there were enough of us already playing it to warrant a thread.

Plus in addition to all that I may have spent $5 to get 1600 energy so that I could get my 2* gear without having to wait several days to have enough energy and money to craft the stuff. With that said, I have ample energy left over and would be willing to start an NPF Guild. I just want to make sure you guys would be interested in that, since it would take 500 energy to make one.

[rpgdemon]

I don't understand energy. How does it work?

Like, I keep spending it, but I don't get how you get more and such.

[Doc ock rokc]

there is two ways to get energy.
one is wait for myst energy to recharge wich takes 22 hours for every hundred

Second is to buy crystal energy with crowns or real money.

[Specterbane]

I love the game, and I'm all for Ye Olde Guilde NPF(e), but I'm foggy on more than a few things. Like what's the back story to this game?

[Doc ock rokc]

essentially
your ship crashed/was evacuated on this planet and they found this weird energy emanating from the core. the only way to fix the ship is to get this energy...however the planet is hollow and filled with clockworks these clockworks seem to span centuries of cultures and monsters.

[rpgdemon]

The arena fights vs monsters are fun!

[Flarecobra]

Free game?

YESYESYESYESYESYESYES (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpgy21r_dRE)

[phil_]

Hey, does anyone think they could spot me a new computer to play this? Doesn't have to be too fancy; anything built this decade will do. I just want to get in on this whole "playing video games with NPF" thing.

[Loyal]

This looks interesting, and it looks like even I can run it. Count me interested.

e: Some jerk took "Loyal" as a name. And with no spaces or underscores or even numbers, I suppose I'll have to settle for being "Lloyl".

[Ryong]

Welp, I went and used one of my mist tanks to get my 2* stuff. But now I've no energy. Ah well.

[Specterbane]

It's a shame we can only do parties of 4, but still it's cool.

Does anyone know how energy is spent on elevators in a party? Is it based on each individual paying 10 for themselves, or does one person have to pay the 10 and everyone goes down?

I've been doing mostly solo adventuring just because (and I'm anti-social like that I guess) so I haven't noticed when I was in a party.

[Ryong]

Everyone pays 10. If you join a party in the middle of a run, you pay 10 just to be at their floor.

[Flarecobra]

Everyone, it appears.

[Specterbane]

Damn, it's like they want to make money off those micro transactions isn't it. It's still pretty fun though, so I might be willing to put some money into it.

By the way, what are the perks of setting up a guild?

[Doc ock rokc]

Damn, it's like they want to make money off those micro transactions isn't it. It's still pretty fun though, so I might be willing to put some money into it.

By the way, what are the perks of setting up a guild?

guild chat...seriously...although it does give me a line to top teirs that want to craft their guild-mates stuff

[Ryong]

To be honest, I think that once you get tier 2 clearance getting money for buying energy isn't going to be hard at all. I've been getting 3k with 100 energy and I don't even have tier 2 clearance.

[Arcanum]

Perks include guild chat and a guild hall and the guild name under your character's name. I was only gonna make the guild if most/all of you were interested, but we can easily just use Steam chat to communicate.

Also Tier 2 depth is pretty tricky, at least soloing depth 9 took a bit of patience and two deaths.

Even then, from just plundering depths 1-8 I've already started earning back the energy I payed for. I was down to 1100ish (from 1600) and I'm back up to 1300 (bought energy twice today for ~3500). And that's running mostly off mist energy (you get another mist tank when you get tier 2 clearance).

[mauve]

Hmmm. A guild sounds kinda cool.

I've got Spiral Knights downloaded and my sister's played it, but I have yet to try it out because apparently when the phone company says they'll make sure my house has access to higher-speed internet within the next 48 hours, it really means that within 10 hours my internet will suddenly become so slow and unreliable that the wireless card loses the signal six times in less than an hour and Steam refuses to start up.

Assuming the internets pick up again, I'd love to explore some Clockwork lands with y'alls.



Also, it doesn't sound like many people are interested in Champions or Forsaken World, but I figure I'll eventually try 'em just because they're free. If anyone else ends up with Champions, we totally need to form an NPF Justice League for the hell of it.

[Ryong]

Forsaken World I've played and, uh, it's terrible.

Like, you have to spend a LOT to get some of your stats up in order to be able to do anything later on and that means either you pay a LOT or you spend months doing the same quest over and over just to get money.

[rpgdemon]

Alright, question:

What the crap is up with gear? I level it up, but buying new gear means I level that up all over again? Bwah? I am crazy confused.

[Ryong]

Heat: When someone picks it up, it is shared between everyone. Each piece of equipment uses heat to level up. New stuff starts at level 1 and you can't transfer heat. Also, weapons get a charge speed bonus at 5 and usually get something special at 10 - like my heavy hatchet got a chance to stun at level 10 with every attack.

[Loyal]

Just beat that rat boss, the Snarbolax. Evil little son of a bitch, but exciting if that's an indication of what future bosses will be like.

[Flarecobra]

Alright, question:

What the crap is up with gear? I level it up, but buying new gear means I level that up all over again? Bwah? I am crazy confused.

If you ever played Secret of Evermore, it's a similor mechanic, mixed with that orb thing from God of War.

[rpgdemon]

Never played either!

[Flarecobra]

Really should play SoE. You get a dog that can transform as a partner.

[Loyal]

Don't worry too much about the equipment levels. They grow pretty quickly and before long you'll hardly notice.

[e] My Steam name is Loyal_WC3 for those of you also playing this game.

[Doc ock rokc]

When your Item is level 10 its stats are maxed AND it becomes craftible.

[mauve]

Well, apparently someone already has a knight named Mauve, and since I can't use spaces or multiple capital letters, you'll find me roamin' around the Clockworks as Mauvem. (Because Mauvemage is too long for my short attention span.)

[Flarecobra]

Arc, how's that guild coming?

[Arcanum]

Oh are we actually doing the guild thing? 'Cause I can make that whenever (and by "whenever" I mean once I get 1k Crowns since I just bought a recipe and energy and am now flat broke). Just need to decide on the name though, 'cause I believe the full name appears under character names. So would you all prefer "Nuklear Power" "Nuklear Power Forums" or just "NPF"? Or we can go with something awesome and original if anyone has any suggestions.

[Doc ock rokc]

My old account is known as DangerousDoc. I will come on time to time on that one as I am in second teir and working on getting 4 star weapons. The one for the hat achivement for TF2 is Temperary.

[akaSM]

Well, if nothing gets sugested fot the guild's name, you could use the name of the Steam group.

[Specterbane]

Yeah, I like the idea of sticking with the Steam Group Name. But I'm all for hearing awesome suggestions.

[Pip Boy]

Started playing, wandered around confused for a bit but I think Im getting the hang of things. And by "getting the hang of things" I mean "I figured out how to make bombs and have been spending the last few hours blowing up everything in sight."

Would be fun to try out playing with a few players, especially since the bomb weapon doesn't seem to be one that works well when suffering lots of aggro.

[Loyal]

Actually, the bomb is pretty much perfect when you got a bunch of guys running you down, since you can lure them into the blast radius without worry. I'm getting the hang of explosives myself, but it's already better than the gun.

"Nuklear Power" seems simple and effective as a guild name.

[Jagos]

Yeah, I like the idea of sticking with the Steam Group Name. But I'm all for hearing awesome suggestions.

How about the Dark NPF?

[Specterbane]

Why "Dark"?

'NPF Unlimited' is the Steam Group name right?

[Jagos]

I've been watching Darkwing Duck recently... >_>;

[rpgdemon]

So, I have like 5k crowns. I don't spend anything, since I have no idea what I'm doing. Can anyone aid me?

[Specterbane]

If you don't have your 2 star equipment you could buy some of that or recipes for other 2 start equipment that you're interested in, both are in the bazaar.

You can also press the energy icon on your screen and trade in ~3500 crowns for 100 crystal energy.

[rpgdemon]

Is the 2 star equipment better? I have my stuff leveled up to like almost level 9, so I don't wanna get rid of it.

[Flarecobra]

I'd go with NPF Unlimited, or just Nuklear Power. And yes, hell, you can't go deeper into the Clockworks without higher tier gear.

[Ryong]

NPF Unlimited would be nice. I did a solo run and got two treasure vaults and an arena...That gave me 4k.

And now I'm trying to get myself a Cutter, but someone always outbids me.

[Flarecobra]

Perhaps a poll for the name might be in order?

[Pip Boy]

Is the 2 star equipment better? I have my stuff leveled up to like almost level 9, so I don't wanna get rid of it.

From what I've seen, it seems like gear of a whole star higher is so good that even a max-level item of the lesser rank isn't as good.

[Doc ock rokc]

Lets put it this way. Two star gear at level 1 hits harder then 1 star gear at level 10. Essentrually when you go up a level in your gear then anything that was a challange will cease to be. My current 3 star gear absolutely destroys the lower levels most steams are on.

[Loyal]

NPF Unlimited would be nice. I did a solo run and got two treasure vaults and an arena...That gave me 4k.

And now I'm trying to get myself a Cutter, but someone always outbids me.

The auction house is pretty fun. It's alarming how frequently people put valuable things up for a starting bid of like one crown. Then other people notice and there's a little bidding war going on, but if you're lucky you can snag some sweet deals. I got 3 Blaze Peppers (four-star materials) for 79 crowns last night, for instance.

Right now it'd be awesome if I could get a Searing Sword on the cheap, but the Calibur works just fine and I like its charge attack. So I'm aiming for some sort of two-star Helm and Armor instead so I can move on to greener, more lucrative pastures.

Re: Below. I'm getting slightly tired of fighting Snarby, if only because I gradually come to realize the boss fight is either buggy as shit, or compensates poorly for lag.

[Flarecobra]

*Nods* My first time fighting the rat boss, I died like 8 times. My second time, I had T-2 armor, and I only died twice. Granted one of those times was me just being a bit stupid and reckless.

[Seil]

Just got this early this morn. Interested in playing later. Skimming, 'cause 'M at work, but what's this about a private NPF thing?

[Flarecobra]

You mean the guild?

[Arcanum]

So, I have like 5k crowns. I don't spend anything, since I have no idea what I'm doing. Can anyone aid me?

Recipes are your friend, since buying the item you are usually paying the person recipe cost + material cost + energy cost + profit. However Recipes in the Auction House are at least double the regular price unless you get really lucky. Fortunately if you get down to Depth 4 there's a Traveling Merchant who sells 1* and 2* recipes, which randomize every day.

Is the 2 star equipment better? I have my stuff leveled up to like almost level 9, so I don't wanna get rid of it.

Once you equip an item it binds to you. Meaning it can't be traded or sold (except to NPC vendors for a tiny amount of crowns). Also, you sometimes need weapons for crafting. For example to get the 3* Tempered Calibur part of the crafting recipe is a level 5 heat (I think, don't quote me on the level) 2* Calibur.

What I recommend is going on the Wiki and looking at what armor/weapons you want so you don't waste crowns and energy crafting things you're gonna barely use.

Snarbolax etc.

Blocking is your best friend during that fight. And yeah the bell sometimes doesn't stun him, but he has a period of invulnerability when he's getting ready to attack (and I think that sometimes stretches into his attack, I might be wrong). But yeah, there are times where the bell simply doesn't stun him for no apparent reason, but so long as you're blocking when he's diving underground you should be good. Plus you can easily outrun his biting attacks.

Just got this early this morn. Interested in playing later. Skimming, 'cause 'M at work, but what's this about a private NPF thing?

In-game NPF Guild. I have the spare resources to make one so I figured "why the hell not?"


Oh and on a related note to recipes, I can make my way down to Depth 13 relatively easily now, which is where the Traveling Merchant sells 2*, 3*, and 4* recipes (also randomly generated). So if I see any recipes for stuff you guys want (Like a Cutter or a Searing edge) I'll pick it up and sell it to you at cost (plus a 500 crown shipping and handling fee).

[Flarecobra]

I noticed we're getting Spiral Knights banners now.

[Arcanum]

Ok so the popular Guild name seems to be "NPF Unlimited" HOWEVER the game does not like capital letters. Essentially the name comes out as "Npf Unlimited". Personally I think the lower case looks weird. So vote time is a go!

Option 1: Npf Unlimited
Option 2: Nuklear Power


On a more game-related note: Oh my god selling 3* recipes (even just cheaper than average) gets you so much money. I just made 12000 crowns selling a Dusker Coat.

[Loyal]

Confirming vote for Nuklear Power.

[Flarecobra]

I'd vote Nuklear Power.

[akaSM]

Nuklear Power, out of NPF's context looks like xtreem kool letterz, Npf Unlimited doesn't look as good but, I think in the end looks better

[Specterbane]

I think Npf looks a little weird too, and it doesn't convey the purpose so well since it's an acronym.

Even out of context Nuklear Power raises questions and builds interest, so we might even get new people into the forums from that. Which could be very cool.

Vote: Nuklear Power

[DarkDrgon]

So I started playing today.... no idea whats going on. Is there even a point to one star equipment?

[Flarecobra]

It's a bit better then the starter gear.

[EVILNess]

OK, I started playing about 2 hours ago, name is Sumac because I literally sat there for 15 minutes trying to get a name that wasn't taken.

Seems like a blast to play so far.

[Aldurin]

I can't really pinpoint anything I don't like besides how equipment quality is somewhat unclear and that charge attacks are underpowered (6 damage normal pistol shot and 10 damage for a charged pistol shot doesn't seem worth walking through hallways with it charged like that.)

And yes a guild would be nice if there isn't already one (I skim-read the thread because I'm tired).

[rpgdemon]

OK, I started playing about 2 hours ago, name is Sumac because I literally sat there for 15 minutes trying to get a name that wasn't taken.

Seems like a blast to play so far.

Do you deal POISON damage?

[EVILNess]

Do you deal POISON damage?

No, but I can cause a hell of a rash.

[Toastburner B]

Whew. Finally found a place that had enemies that dropped swordshards so I could forge a caliber. One more blue material piece, and I can forge a blaster, too.

Got horribly murdered by robots shortly after I got said materials (got too greedy in an arena run), but all and all, well worth the trip.

[Revising Ocelot]

Downloaded this last night because everyone I know is playing it. Since I'm woefully ignorant of the game however, how bad are the freemium features in it? I don't intend to spend a single penny on 'em, I'd just like to know if I'm screwed or not. :dance:


On the note of freemium features, did anyone ever play something called GunBound? Back in 05/06 or so I played it, since I was a teenager, liked Worms but hated the lack of multiplayer for it, and didn't know any better. Sweet Zombie Diety of Choice that game was bad for freemium features. Well, the game was bad in general but just about -everything- there you had to part with cash to get game-breaking advantages over opponents. Then they'd come out with more items that broke the game further over the original game-breaking stuff, so the suckers who orginally paid for equipment would be... suckered further. Luckily, since that game didn't like £ (or some other reason I can't recall), I never spent anything. Did a good job of deterring me from other freemium stuff, though.

[Specterbane]

The only thing I've seen money spent on is energy, and a few things that can help you start up. Energy is the resource that lets you do anything in the game.

Without paying money you're capped at 100 energy that recharges over a time (constant recharge for 100 energy over 24 Hr. period). You can trade 'crowns' the currency of the game for energy that is above the cap that you get to keep till you spend it, that costs ~3500 crowns for 100 energy.

Spending money only lets you progress faster. I haven't spent a dime yet because my life's going to get totally crazy over the next few weeks and I've been having a great time with it. Game seems to have a great balance between paying and non-paying players and doesn't feel broken at all.

[Revising Ocelot]

Good stuff. That's why I don't mind the Mann Co Store on TF2: the crate-exclusive items are cosmetic only, and with enough scrap you can just trade for them anyway.

Anyway, character's name is Krayzin (my default name for some stuff) as Ocelot was unsurprisingly taken. And "Revolvingocelot" looked awful.

[Loyal]

I can't really pinpoint anything I don't like besides how equipment quality is somewhat unclear and that charge attacks are underpowered (6 damage normal pistol shot and 10 damage for a charged pistol shot doesn't seem worth walking through hallways with it charged like that.)Charge attacks vary between weapons. The Calibur, for instance, attacks everyone in a circle around you, with the additional caveat that it can hit multiple times if you backed enemies into a corner first so they don't get knocked flying by the first blow. There's also some variance in regular attacks for some weapons, so it's probably ideal for you to check the wiki before you make any weapon upgrades, and see what fits best for you.

But yeah, early guns and swords have very underwhelming charges.

Whew. Finally found a place that had enemies that dropped swordshards so I could forge a caliber. One more blue material piece, and I can forge a blaster, too.If you find any Forge Sparks you can trade 2 of them in at the Bazaar for Swordstones (as well as their gun, bomb, and armor equivalents). Among other things.

[Ryong]

The charge attacks on the starting weapons aren't a good measure for you to judge charge attacks, honestly. Calibur's path, Brandish's path and Sealed Sword's path all have great charge attacks.

[Flarecobra]

Whew. Finally found a place that had enemies that dropped swordshards so I could forge a caliber. One more blue material piece, and I can forge a blaster, too.

Got horribly murdered by robots shortly after I got said materials (got too greedy in an arena run), but all and all, well worth the trip.

Sometimes it pays to check out the AH. Got 2 swordstones for under 1500C.

[Ryong]

Message me anytime you guys need 2* materials, I'm getting a lot of them.

I sold some swordstones for 1k and iron gears for 500.

[Arcanum]

Guild has been made. You shall find an invitation in your mail upon logging in*. There will be a horrifying and extremely dangerous set of trials for those who wish to become officers.

*If you're on my in-game friend list

[Pip Boy]

Please explain to me this horrifying and dangerous set of trials.

[Dracorion]

It involves finding out someone's username and badgering them into staying still long enough for you to walk up to them and ask for an invite.

[Pip Boy]

I've been buying crafting recipes when I get the funds, so if any of you need basic stuff made just give me a shout. I currently have recipes for making tier two bombs, armor, and helmet. Each one costs 50 energy, so if you want multiple items made I'll need some crowns to replenish my energy for the day.

[Arcanum]

My in-game name is Arkaith. If your game name is different than your forum name, just include the latter in the friend request.

Please explain to me this horrifying and dangerous set of trials.

I would but I fear doing so would be in violation of several laws.

I've been buying crafting recipes when I get the funds, so if any of you need basic stuff made just give me a shout. I currently have recipes for making tier two bombs, armor, and helmet. Each one costs 50 energy, so if you want multiple items made I'll need some crowns to replenish my energy for the day.

Can you make a Brandish? 'Cause I need one of those so I can make a Nightblade.

[rpgdemon]

I am Hankfullman.

It seemed like a good idea at the time.

[Aldurin]

Guild looks kinda cool, but seems really empty except the crafting station. What other stuff can be added?

[lazy man]

Alright, so I just got back to my apartment, which means I may start playing this. No guarantees since I want to try and figure out my schedule with school first though.

Although if any of you bug me enough I may just play anyway. WHO KNOWS.

[Specterbane]

Ok, how the hell does reviving work? I've done it but when I tried to do what I did then I couldn't get it to work twice now, once even with Al.

[Arcanum]

To revive you need to be next to the fallen knight with http://media.spiralknights.com/wiki-images/b/bd/Revive_Attack.png icon showing. Then just right-click and it will drain half your health. Then the fallen knight must right-click to complete the process and stand up.

[Revising Ocelot]

I believe it channels your health into the other guy, holding rightclick for longer sacrifices more health. There's an achievement for reviving someone with only half a health bar.

Self-reviving apparently costs energy, which scales up. I'm taking care to never die as a result.

[phil_]

Self-reviving apparently costs energy, which scales up. I'm taking care to never die as a result.So, like, you could conceivably die and have no choice but to pay money to keep playing?

That's hardcore.

[Flarecobra]

Certanly an incentive.

[Specterbane]

Yeah, but I've tried the right click and it wasn't working. What are the condition you need to be in?

[Overcast]

Alright, I'm in.

[Dracorion]

Okay, someone needs to stop me from spending energy on dungeoning instead of crafting, for fuck's sake.

[Arcanum]

I believe it channels your health into the other guy, holding rightclick for longer sacrifices more health. There's an achievement for reviving someone with only half a health bar.


Nope. One click, half your current HP gone. That achievement is for when you have a single bar of health left and then use half of it to revive someone.


Self-reviving apparently costs energy, which scales up. I'm taking care to never die as a result.
So, like, you could conceivably die and have no choice but to pay money to keep playing?

That's hardcore.

When you die you can sit there and wait to be revived by an ally, or you can spend 2 energy to revive (or you can pay the cost of all of your allies to revive everyone). That energy cost doubles with each following death. So second death would be 8 energy, third is 16, etc etc. However there is a third option where you can return to Haven at no cost. So if you use up all your mist energy reviving, you can just go back to haven. Oh and in Tier 2 it costs 5 energy to revive (which then doubles to 10, etc).

Yeah, but I've tried the right click and it wasn't working. What are the condition you need to be in?

If it drains your health then there's nothing more you can do. It's on the player to revive his/herself. If it's not draining your health then the player might have already been given health from someone else. If that's not the case then I dunno. Make sure you're right on top of them and not randomly right-clicking everywhere? Run around them in circles madly right-clicking? Here's some specifics on the mechanic. (http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Reviving)

[Flarecobra]

So I discovered something: Megaman music goes good with the game as well.

[Doc ock rokc]

So I discovered something: Megaman music goes good with the game as well.

I play it with the Scott pilgrim game music going. It defenately captures the "New old" feel of the game...
Also FUCK PHANTOMS.

[Specterbane]

Yeah, I invited Al to play yesterday and he joined up when I was in a Graveyard. That was one of the points I was having trouble reviving him.

Those things are bloody terrifying sometimes.

[Doc ock rokc]

The best thing to do is run like hell...but they always amass around the keys.

[Specterbane]

You know what, never mind that. Graveyards are easy, the fucking fire challenge room is unbalanced as SHIT!

Everything is on fire, EVERY GOG DAMN THING, and that includes you at all times. I died three times with a party of four, one guy had at least 2* equipment.

[Doc ock rokc]

Oh trust me. Your going to need much more then 2* to be able to get though the Graveyards easily.

[Specterbane]

Oh no, I can handle the graveyards. That new dungeon with the lion crest thing had a challenge room with fire traps and fire slimes, and apparently they just set every damn thing on fire at all times. Fuck That.

[Aldurin]

Quit bitchin' and grab an Emberbreak shield or it's T2 equivalent.

[Loyal]

I can make an Emberbreak shield for anyone who wants it, if they have the 3 Red Shards and 2 Beast Scales necessary. (providing the crowns/energy would also be appreciated but I can spot that)

[lazy man]

Alright, just made a character and played briefly. Once I get back from class I'll play more and get to Haven so I can join the guild.

Character's name is Lazigen for those who weren't on my friends list.

[Doc ock rokc]

Nearly any shield will Block the majority of the damage from anything. At first I never used my sheild but I have learned that it is THE most valuable thing you can have.

[rpgdemon]

So, Aldurin and I just had the boss battle from hell. You know those, "Pay, and have a hard bit, with a big reward" things? It was suicidally hard. There was a jelly that appeared to have been made of spikes.

We prevailed though, and came out filthy rich.


Edit (Ontopic): Yeah, shielding is awesome. I hotkeyed mine to left click and use WASD to move, and it works great.

[Aldurin]

When you see yellow slimes with round cores, kill them before they turn into a monster that would make you never eat jello again.

Also, solo/2-person runs give an insane amount of materials and cash.

[Seil]

Who is the jerk burger who took 'Seil?' And why can't I get the appropriate shade of pink?

[MuMu]

When you see yellow slimes with round cores, kill them before they turn into a monster that would make you never eat jello again.


I do the opposite, lure as many of them as I can until they turn into that red horned jelly. Major loot.

[akaSM]

I do the opposite, lure as many of them as I can until they turn into that red horned jelly. Major rape.

FTFY

[PyrosNine]

What makes me upset is that I brought this game up in steam chat and in another thread at one point, and was actually going to do a Pyros Plays, but from everyone's comments at the time and lack of interest, I assumed no one was interested in playing it!

And now there's a five-six page thread about a game I described as "free online four swords playing as clockwork heartless knights!" and all I heard was "meh." Such is the times!

Well, at least now I have people to hopefully play with!

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4241108/Let%27s%20Play/SPKNIGHTSSMALL/spiral_2011-04-05_17-07-51.jpg

Totally was an accident, really.

[akaSM]

Well, it's on Steam now, I bet that helped a lot. Oh, and the TF2 hat.

[Overcast]

And now I play the waitfest! Crafting time.

[Arcanum]

I can make a Brandish so long as you cover energy/crafting costs (plus 400 so I come away with a little extra). Just not today since I'm pretty low on energy right now.

[Revising Ocelot]

I can make a Brandish so long as you cover energy/crafting costs (plus 400 so I come away with a little extra). Just not today since I'm pretty low on energy right now.

Hm, can't energy be traded player to player? Sitting on a heap of it right now.

[Arcanum]

Only crystal energy. But yeah if you have the energy then that works too.

[MuMu]

Went to the Tier 2 dungeons, faced a fire room, two arenas and actually managed to reach Emberlight. That was the best damn adventure.

[Doc ock rokc]

does anyone have any good 4* weapons avalible. I'll be able to provide a ton of Materials and energy needed.

[Revising Ocelot]

Well, I don't know your SK name/Steam ID Arcanum, so just send a game mail to Krayzin whenever and I'll mail you the stuff. Unless I find the recipe first. :D

[Overcast]

I have decided I will eventually become a terrifying gunslinger, mostly because that is what I devolve into in arenas, unfortunately that means trying to get my greedy hands on Antigua, and trying to catch that damn royal jelly. Still I got the rest of this week, one day for crafting funds and the rest just for the energy, to crafting my initial 2 stars and get to work on the baseline.

[Revising Ocelot]

I'm not really sure I can be bothered with this game now. Every time I go into T2 I get a Graveyard, where everything breaks your shield in 1 hit, does 3 bars of damage and then curses you so you can't use any weapons for 30 seconds without hurting yourself. And making 3* gear costs, what, 100 energy each time? Bugger that.

[Flarecobra]

Well, the Graveyard is ment to just be ran through... not to be fighting in.

[Overcast]

Nobody likes Graveyards. I'm not sure who wrote that gate group but they are an evil, awful person.

[Aldurin]

Fuck graveyards, also I have T2 equipment which means that later I'll try to discover what form of absolute rape lies beyond 7th floor.

[Revising Ocelot]

Well, the Graveyard is ment to just be ran through... not to be fighting in.

Doesn't really work when you get two consecutive rooms in a row where you're locked in until you kill all zombies.

Did I mention I hate zombies for having a quick melee that's 3x as big as what their range looks like it should be?

[Ryong]

You know these big tree things? Thanks to lag, they actually hit me twice per attack. It pisses me off.

[Arcanum]

I absolutely do not recommend going to T2 depths with only 2* equipment, or at least don't try to go all the way down 'cause odds are you aren't going to make it. On that note though, Solo T1 runs are rather profitable, and much easier with 2* equipment. You can make anywhere from 3k to 4.5k depending on which levels you get. Not to mention all the materials and tokens you can get.

On an entirely different note, is there anyone interested in an officer position in the Guild? It would mostly involve making sure I didn't forget to send any invitations.

[rpgdemon]

As I've mentioned before, akaSM has me drawing the guild in my Inspire etc thread in the arts and crafts forum, so anyone who wants in on that, post a picture and/or a description of your character.

[Arcanum]

Oh cool, wasn't aware of that. Speaking of pictures though.

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/541771963449846180/458229B40882DB55C01804E10B9FF77A9549E3EC/

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/541771963449849424/736F7ECB38841D0D9AC4A1EEBE5A9BBA5127736A/

[rpgdemon]

Aldurin and I fought that thing in hardmode. It was scary.

[Aldurin]

It was so hellish, and we had to revive so many times.

[Loyal]

@rpgdemon. Well, my guy looks identical to akaSM's (except that he's red instead of blue), but should be carrying a Spine Cone. Dunno whether you wanted that posted here or the other thread, but there you go.

I absolutely do not recommend going to T2 depths with only 2* equipment, or at least don't try to go all the way down 'cause odds are you aren't going to make it.I only had significant problems once I hit the second Jelly Palace level. But those problems were significant. :X

[akaSM]

@rpgdemon. Well, my guy looks identical to akaSM's...

RPG loves to draw the demo armor XD...BTW, I didn't have aything to do with Loyal's armor decision :P

It seems anything that I got and isn't a calibur, sucks. Yeah, I got used to hitting stuff with the charge attack to get them away from me. I tried to to a T2 run with a brandish...I died on the first floor D:

[rpgdemon]

RPG loves to draw the demo armor XD...BTW, I didn't have aything to do with Loyal's armor decision :P

D:<

I might as well start on this sometime today.

[Loyal]

I only had significant problems once I hit the second Jelly Palace level. But those problems were significant. :XOkay, I'd like to add to this: Stay the hell away from the Copper Sun gate in T2. It's fucking evil.

[IHateMakingNames]

I started playing this due to seeing the word "free" in this thread. If I understand right, to play you need Energy, which you either need to buy with real money or lots of in game money, or wait about 2 hours per level?

[Revising Ocelot]

I have concluded that most of Tier 2, with the exception of arenas/danger rooms where it gets impossible to kill the healers as they get meat shielded too effectively, is -much- easier to solo.

I even got through a graveyard. You only get the same number of Phantoms as there are players. With >1 player, it's inevitable you'll get multiple Phantoms ganging up on the same person, which means they're usually dead. Just a singular one can be handled.

And I'm still only in 2* gear, but it's all Heat10 and I've reached the Emberlight depth a few times without revives. No new recipes there, so I'm hoping the Nightblade recipe eventually pops up on Basil at Depth 13.

Okay, I'd like to add to this: Stay the hell away from the Copper Sun gate in T2. It's fucking evil.

Eh? That's the one I've been clearing!

[Arcanum]

I have the Nightblade recipe learned if you need one.

[Revising Ocelot]

I have the Nightblade recipe learned if you need one.

Ah lovely. I actually haven't drudged up all the mats yet - lacking a Phial of Phear - but I'll make sure to poke you when I obtain one.

[Arcanum]

Hey. Hey Ryong. Hey! Remember how you said my cutter with a Very High Charge Reduction UV was just a cutter? Well guess what sold for 220,000CR (198,600 after the 10% tax). Here's a hint: I HAVE SO MUCH MONEY!

[Ryong]

Hey Arcanum!

You found one hell of an idiot!

[lazy man]

Oh yeah, anyone in the guild. You must now address Arc as Moneybags. Just saying.

[Aldurin]

Very High Charge Reduction UV

I would kill for that on a caliber, so I'm gonna craft calibers for profit until I get one.

[Flarecobra]

Good luck finding enough swordstone to get that.

[Doc ock rokc]

Good luck finding enough swordstone to get that.

actually if you go solo on the first teir of the demon place you can get about 3-5 swordstone.

[Aldurin]

Good luck finding enough swordstone to get that.

In the words of the Sniper "Stab stab stab".

[Flarecobra]

actually if you go solo on the first teir of the demon place you can get about 3-5 swordstone.

Yeah, but it's not guaranteed. Took me a while to get two, one of which I had to get via auction.

[Arcanum]

Hey Arcanum!

You found one hell of an idiot!

There's always a buyer. Be it someone who's collecting every UV or someone who genuinely wants the weapon.

I would kill for that on a caliber, so I'm gonna craft calibers for profit until I get one.

That would go for a lot more in my opinion. At least 300k. The cutter line's charge attack is relatively useless in later tiers, since you're stuck standing still for a while and it doesn't have great knock-back. Compared to the Calibur, well, the spin attack is just plain awesome.

The only problem is that I looked into the Brandish, Cutter, and Calibur on the auction house before deciding which one to craft a bunch of. Cutter's go for at least 3k (which is what I sold mine at). Brandishes were cheaper, and caliburs even more so. (I'm mostly talking about the buy now price, which I put below every other buy now price to guarantee a sale as fast as possible.) Most of the time Brandishes and Caliburs, if you wanted a guaranteed sale, were being sold at a loss (i.e. below 2400CR). And of course none of this took into account material costs, since I had an ample amount of what was needed to craft cutters and burned through them without a care.

[MuMu]

D:<

I might as well start on this sometime today.

I'm wearing standard Cobalt (http://i56.tinypic.com/25zjgn7.jpg) Armor and will probably stay that way for a while. Have me in the background.

watching

[Doc ock rokc]

IM in the wolver armor (http://steamcommunity.com/id/doc-ock-rokc/screenshot/577800760464692572?tab=public)


The only problem is that I looked into the Brandish, Cutter, and Calibur on the auction house before deciding which one to craft a bunch of. Cutter's go for at least 3k (which is what I sold mine at). Brandishes were cheaper, and caliburs even more so. (I'm mostly talking about the buy now price, which I put below everyone other buy now price to guarantee a sale as fast as possible.) Most of the time Brandishes and Caliburs, if you wanted a guaranteed sale, were being sold at a loss (i.e. below 2400CR). And of course none of this took into account material costs, since I had an ample amount of what was needed to craft cutters and burned through them without a care.

Thing is Brandish is cheap because its cheap to make but expensive to upgrade. and usually their upgrades are super specialized.

Caliburs are more expensive initially but have good cheap upgrades for each level (like I already can upgrade a calibur i just bought and I got it the other day. and If i had the energy I could upgrade to 4* in a snap.)

[Revising Ocelot]

Got a Nightblade today.

Resisted the very great urge to just sell it on the AH, as it has a UV on it. Granted it's only medium damage bonus vs. beasts, but...

[Arcanum]

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/541772047523880309/145871D876479F1188EDBF02D447A5B48318616A/ http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/541772047523890528/4A0B3F13926541D6E1A07EACEBD52F180549BFAD/


Until Lazy killed him :(

[lazy man]

I... but... THAT PIPE! I wanted it so! But he wouldn't give it to me! And then he didn't drop it!

I have no excuse... Now I just feel evil.

[Specterbane]

Geez, I'm gone for a week and freakin' everyone's passed me by. And Energy trading is SO much more expensive now.

[Doc ock rokc]

Did a solo though snorblax and got me a good 8000 I now have a Fantastic Tempered caber.

[Revising Ocelot]

I've got a fancy scheme I was thinking of trying.

I could make an alt account through the website, and log onto that while Krayzin is logged on through Steam and such. I make a group with the alt, clear my way to a depth 5-7 arena (that I can clear easily but still gives a good payout). I then have the alt choose the 'go solo' option, which puts Krayzin onto the arena floor seperately. I clear it, I get good money.

I then exit out, and have the alt reinvite Krayzin back to the arena floor. Then go solo and clear again. Rinse and repeat.

The issue is that this feels a little rule-bendy, but I can't see anything in the Terms of Service/Code of Conduct that would prohibit such a thing. You're allowed 3 accounts per PC (yes, accounts - not just characters), after all. And a few other people I know have been doing it.


Just wanted to run it by you guys for your opinion. Or for you to steal and use yourself. :D

[Flarecobra]

That is, if they arn't IP-tracked. As in can't have 2 accounts from the same IP running at once.

[Doc ock rokc]

Hell We could even do it with the guild if someone wants to wait.

[akaSM]

I've got a fancy scheme I was thinking of trying.

I could make an alt account through the website, and log onto that while Krayzin is logged on through Steam and such. I make a group with the alt, clear my way to a depth 5-7 arena (that I can clear easily but still gives a good payout). I then have the alt choose the 'go solo' option, which puts Krayzin onto the arena floor seperately. I clear it, I get good money.

I then exit out, and have the alt reinvite Krayzin back to the arena floor. Then go solo and clear again. Rinse and repeat.

The issue is that this feels a little rule-bendy, but I can't see anything in the Terms of Service/Code of Conduct that would prohibit such a thing. You're allowed 3 accounts per PC (yes, accounts - not just characters), after all. And a few other people I know have been doing it.


Just wanted to run it by you guys for your opinion. Or for you to steal and use yourself. :D

So, basically one of those 2 people just has to wait, right? If you can explain that better, I'll be glad to help, I'm using my laptop right now and I could leave the game to idle.


Contact me with the Steam chat if interested ^_^

[Revising Ocelot]

So, basically one of those 2 people just has to wait, right? If you can explain that better, I'll be glad to help, I'm using my laptop right now and I could leave the game to idle.


Contact me with the Steam chat if interested ^_^

Pretty much. The alt is just there to invite, go solo, then do nothing while the main gets to work. Also, I'm pretty sure it's fine to multibox anyway, Flare, which MMOs like WoW generally allow.

Leaving the character completely idle doesn't work though, since you get booted after ~15 minutes of inactivity. Something that's gotten to me a few times already when I'm cooking or whatnot. Plus the other character needs to reinvite and choose the go solo option.

[akaSM]

Oh, I've never let the game really go idle, I poke the window from time to time, mostly to check energy prices and stuff. Just remember that you would have to use energy to join at the arena. If you're fine with that, I'll get to an arena in a few minutes, the Flame Lash (or something) arena is on the 10th floor of the green (?) giant gate.

[Revising Ocelot]

Oh, I've never let the game really go idle, I poke the window from time to time, mostly to check energy prices and stuff. Just remember that you would have to use energy to join at the arena. If you're fine with that, I'll get to an arena in a few minutes, the Flame Lash (or something) arena is on the 10th floor of the green (?) giant gate.

Of course, but I think spending 10 energy per arena for a 2k+ payout is much better than going through every floor. And it has to be a Stratum 2/4 arena since they payout much better. But a Stratum 4 arena would have Tier 3 nasties.

The Thunder Fist Doc mentioned was my intended target. Anything at Depth 5-7, really.

[Doc ock rokc]

there is also thunder fist in the first gate at 6-8

Know what message me if you want to do it and we can take turns or you can split the cash at the end or something...although I can't do it now (work+low energy)

[akaSM]

Yup but, you may get another level instead of the arena. The fire arena is the only level in it's floor.

[Doc ock rokc]

Yup but, you may get another level instead of the arena. The fire arena is the only level in it's floor.

aka has a point.

[Revising Ocelot]

That's easily solved by twiddling your thumbs until the elevator changes icons to the right level. Doesn't apply for Treasure Vault/Graveyard depths which are truly random, but which level you'll end up cycles every 5 minutes or so in Tier 1 (longer in later tiers). Simple to sit by an elevator until it pops up.

[akaSM]

I'm going to the flame arena, I should reach it in a couple minutes.

EDIT: I'm at the arena

[Dracorion]

Fuck, energy prices are at 5000.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuck.

[akaSM]

It seems, before the game got to Steam, the energy prices were at around 7k so, this will only get worse because crystal energy is actually a limited resource, and the only way to get some CE back to the game is to buy it from the devs, with actual money.

[Flarecobra]

In other words, it went DOWN.

[Loyal]

From my understanding of it, it used to be between 4000-6000, but the Steam integration jumped it up to 7500 before it crashed down to ~3000. I guess it's now going back up to its old levels.

Player-driven economies: A thesis on why they suck if ever there was one.

Also, what's the % rate of getting a UV on crafted equipment? I thought it was around 20% or so but now that I'm actually trying for them it seems closer to 10.

[akaSM]

It seems (http://wiki.spiralknights.com/UV) they're around 10%.

[Doc ock rokc]

Everything I craft is UV also For now till midnight my time (two hours from this post) I will be ideling at the front of a arena. Feel free to try the arena trick

[rpgdemon]

Everything I craft is UV also For now till midnight my time (two hours from this post) I will be ideling at the front of a arena. Feel free to try the arena trick

Arena trick?

[Doc ock rokc]

Arena trick?

One person idels at the gates people join him and go solo then once they are done one of them joins then lets him go solo so he can arena run as well. I managed to get a good 200 Ce from it with only me aka and drac. Plus a lot of teir 2 materials Like metal bolts.

[akaSM]

And swordstones, I got 10 of them :3

[Donomni]

Decided to play this game. It's actually kinda fun!

Zelda-like MMOs are totes cool, lemme tell ya.

It appears the game doesn't outright require spending money, so that's good to.

If you care to seek me out if I'm on, I'm going by Donomni.

[lazy man]

Oh yeah, Arc, remember Sir Jello?

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/576674944670816145/E03AA5EBE32680F075A8E3BE79CDD8D457B76B77/ And this time I DIDN'T kill him!

[Donomni]

Question: I think I saw somewhere in this thread that a fully EXP'd piece of gear can be used as a crafting ingredient.

Is this true, and if so, what for?

[Doc ock rokc]

I think i figured out how to continue a arena grind for longer then we have been doing.

NEVER DESCEND. Once someone that came from your party descends the entire party hast to reach the next checkpoint before anyone can join back.

[Loyal]

Question: I think I saw somewhere in this thread that a fully EXP'd piece of gear can be used as a crafting ingredient.

Is this true, and if so, what for?4* and 5* equipment needs to be Lv5 before they can be used in Alchemy. Otherwise the level of the equipment makes no impact whatsoever.

[edit] On an unrelated note, the music on the Character Select screen gets pretty nice if you let it run long enough.

[Arcanum]

Question: I think I saw somewhere in this thread that a fully EXP'd piece of gear can be used as a crafting ingredient.

Is this true, and if so, what for?
4* and 5* equipment needs to be Lv5 before they can be used in Alchemy. Otherwise the level of the equipment makes no impact whatsoever.

A little more clarification: When crafting the 4* variant of a weapon/armor, for example a Silent Nightblade (4* sword), you need the 3* variant (in this case a regular Nightblade) at level 5 heat as part of the crafting requirements. And again when crafting a 5* item you need the 4* variant at level 10 heat (so with the current example you need a Silent Nightblade at level 10 heat, as well as all other crafting materials, energy, and crowns, to create an Acheron).

[Donomni]

Ah, so there's no point in getting full heat on my starting gear if I can already craft better gear, except for shiggles.

Good to know!

[lazy man]

Ok, just as an offer I have a recipe for a Twisted Targe (the 3* upgrade for the Snarbolax shield) which I was going to put up for auction. But, if anyone wants it I'd be willing to give it to them for the sold price of 4k crowns.

Just reply before tomorrow morning and I'll hold onto it if I need to.

[Flarecobra]

So there's a new boss...

Meet the Roarmulus Twins. (http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Roarmulus_Twins)