Operation Moonfall

[Ecks]

You guys are familiar with Operation Rainfall, right? Well, the internet is also mobilizing the Zelda fans to be outspoken for Nintendo to bring forth a Majora's Mask remake for 3DS. I just signed the online petition and plan on emailing, wailing over the phone, whathaveyou to see this done. Any of you guys interested in seeing the moon drop in 3D?

Petition is here (http://www.petitiononline.com/OpMnfall/petition.html).

Other information on how to show your support can be found here (http://www.zeldauniverse.net/zelda-news/operation-moonfall-bringing-majoras-mask-to-3ds/).

[Bells]

...

...why?

No, really... why!?

Let me put Yahtzee in this
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/3780-The-Legend-of-Zelda-Ocarina-of-Time-3D

I don't really understand why would you want another damn remake... which is not even a remake, because a remake means RE Make the game... they would just Port and Update.

If you can channel effort into something like this, then why not champion so that Nintend updates the Zelda Formula a bit? Y'know... because to be quite honest, it's Stale. It's been stale for a while.

[Jagos]

No, seriously, why the hell do we need a remake of Majora's Mask when it's not even the best loved of the series?

It's like saying they want a remake of Zelda II...

[Locke cole]

-_-

Plenty of people like Majora's Mask, dude.

That being said, this is not the best thing to petition for.

[Jagos]

Yeah... But... Come on...

They just got Ocarina!

Out of all of the past Zelda games, it's Zelda II and MM that get a lot of flack, even if they have fans.

[Aerozord]

guys relax, I can understand not being interested in it, but if people want it that badly let them voice their opinion. We should encourage people to be more vocal as consumers even if we personally aren't interested. No need to be a hater

[Nikose Tyris]

Actually, a remake of Majora's Mask [Or even a pure port] would be sufficient, combined with Ocarina of Time, for me to get a 3DS.

[akaSM]

If they make it with graphics* that are on par with other 3DS stuff, I'm in ^_^

*I normally don't care about graphics quality (I got a Wii and a DS so yeah) but, since it's gonna be a remake, it's might as well use the system's potential instead of being a port with somewhat better graphics

[Kerensky287]

There are so many better things Nintendo could be doing than ports right now.

Remakes aren't going to save the system.

[Magus]

"Hey guys the 3DS just came out a few months ago, and Ocarina of Time 3D even more recently. WHY THE FUCK HASN'T NINTENDO MADE A MAJORA'S MASK 3DS YET? I SAY WE SEND A PETITION TO THOSE STUPID MOTHERFUCKERS TO GET A MOVE ON WITH THIS SHIT, IT'S BEEN LITERALLY A MONTH OR WHATEVER SINCE I BOUGHT A ZELDA GAME! AND AT LEAST A MONTH OR TWO UNTIL I CAN BUY SKYWARD SWORD!"

"Hear hear!"

This does remind me quite a bit me of the Operation Rainfall thing which seems to believe that since there hasn't been a Mother game in 5 years there is never going to be another Mother game ever.

There will probably be a Majora's Mask 3DS no matter what any of us wish.

[Bells]

errh... got tell'ya...

http://reviews.dumppalace.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/the-legend-of-zelda-ocarina-of-time-3ds-picture1.jpg

Not all that Hot. At least no for me really.

If nintendo came and said "we're releasing Link to the Past for the WiiU with HD Graphics" now, that, i would intrigued by. It's a big Leap, a very good game that deserves some special work done. Also, it's pretty much the framework that defined everything that came after it.

[Krylo]

This does remind me quite a bit me of the Operation Rainfall thing which seems to believe that since there hasn't been a Mother game in 5 years there is never going to be another Mother game ever.

That isn't what Operation Rainfall was/is. That's just what the thread here got turned into.

Operation Rainfall was cool because it was putting pressure on Nintendo to localize games they otherwise wouldn't, and, moreover, bring third party 'hardcore' games to the Wii in English speaking countries.

This isn't cool because it's just asking for a remake of a game that worked perfectly well in its original conception and, in no way, needs a remake.

New games, and new IPs, should take precedence over porting and/or remaking old games.

[Locke cole]

And people who think there will be no Mother 4 are on the right track, since Itoi said exactly that.

[akaSM]

errh... got tell'ya...

http://reviews.dumppalace.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/the-legend-of-zelda-ocarina-of-time-3ds-picture1.jpg

Not all that Hot. At least no for me really.

If nintendo came and said "we're releasing Link to the Past for the WiiU with HD Graphics" now, that, i would intrigued by. It's a big Leap, a very good game that deserves some special work done. Also, it's pretty much the framework that defined everything that came after it.

Isn't the 3DS supposed to have GCN-like (or better?) graphics? I mean...look at his picture, now back to mine

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/4108/ssbmndsheik5.jpg

Now back at his picture

Now back to mine

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/1985/supersmashbrosmelee2005.jpg

Sadly his game doesn't look as good as mine.

[Jagos]

And people who think there will be no Mother 4 are on the right track, since Itoi said exactly that.

He's said some really interesting things in regards to Mother 4...

Link (http://earthboundcentral.com/2011/04/shigesato-itoi-discusses-mother-4/)

ITOI: So I of course told him, “No, you already know I’m not going to make a MOTHER 4.” To which he replied, “Fans will be glad just to hear you say it again, after all this time.”


...


IWATA: Ah, that IS interesting. “Appreciative” and “fond of” are similar, but there IS a difference.

ITOI: There is. I’m sure it’s the same with any product or work of creativity – in the very end, it’s the customer or end user who finishes it for you. Even with toothpaste, for example, the product only reaches its conclusion when a customer chooses to use your particular toothpaste to brush his or her teeth. In that same way, people playing through a game you’ve made makes you feel very appreciative of them.

IWATA: I agree. Playing through a game actually takes a lot of work, so you feel really grateful to people who’ve gone through all the trouble and all the work to play through one you’ve made.

ITOI: Yes, exactly. That’s why, in my eyes, I see them as unfinished works that I’ve left sitting there for someone…

IWATA: For someone to come and finish.

ITOI: Yes. For someone to take the baton and run with it. And, unlike a long-distance relay race, with a game you can take that baton and run in any number of directions. That makes things all the more interesting. You can run through the mountains, or you can go all the way to the lake if you want. You can cry out, “I love running!” as you run, or you can run quietly and savor the thrill of running deep down inside. Whatever it is, it’s something the guy who handed you the baton couldn’t have done. What’s more, sometimes the runners just keep running and running…

Before I sidetrack the thread, you all should read it for yourself.

[Marc v4.0]

guys relax, I can understand not being interested in it, but if people want it that badly let them voice their opinion. We should encourage people to be more vocal as consumers even if we personally aren't interested. No need to be a hater

This right here

Not everyone gives a shit about whatever game you might want them to port to the US/Remake but that's different because YOU like it, but Fuck MM?

Naw

[rpgdemon]

Yeah... But... Come on...

They just got Ocarina!

Out of all of the past Zelda games, it's Zelda II and MM that get a lot of flack, even if they have fans.

Zelda II was amazing. Have you even played it?

Like, I don't know why it's popular to bash Zelda II without playing it on the internets. Not saying that you haven't played it, but the majority of people bashing it have not, and just do so because it's cool.

[Locke cole]

I'm miffed that they chose the name "operation Moonfall" Yes, I get the joke, but it's like "Hey guys! Look! We have a name that's familiar to the project you've been watching for weeks! Pay attention to us, too!"

[Krylo]

Zelda II was amazing. Have you even played it?

Like, I don't know why it's popular to bash Zelda II without playing it on the internets. Not saying that you haven't played it, but the majority of people bashing it have not, and just do so because it's cool.

It gets bashed because of the difficulty.

[Locke cole]

The whole "non-respawning extra lives" thing was a bit of a dick move, for one.

[Jagos]

Zelda II was amazing. Have you even played it?

Like, I don't know why it's popular to bash Zelda II without playing it on the internets. Not saying that you haven't played it, but the majority of people bashing it have not, and just do so because it's cool.

I haven't. I'm really not trying to bash the game. Out of all of the Zelda games, those two stand out as the ones that get the most fan hate for some reason. Looking at Zelda 1 vs Z2, it is a huge departure for the most part.

With MM, it's basically the fact that it's Groundhog Day: The videogame.

[Aerozord]

I liked majora's mask, but I conquered that thing. Every unlock, every quest, every mask, all the hearts, everything. There is just no reason to ever play it again.

[rpgdemon]

The whole "non-respawning extra lives" thing was a bit of a dick move, for one.

I completely forgot about that. The only reason it was a problem really was when you had to walk all the way back to the dungeon.

The biggest dick move in the game, in my opinion, was the final dungeon (Which luckily let you restart there after a game over) having floors that would just drop you through, despite there being bricks RIGHT THERE. That was my main problem with the game.

[Ecks]

Okay, wow, thread went a totally /v/ direction.

>whyamInotsurprised.jpg

That said, we're actually responding to a challenge from Nintendo. They said they would be interested in doing an updated rerelease of Majora's Mask if passion and fan input was sufficient enough in convincing them. Honestly, the whole reason behind redoing Ocarina for the fourth time was putting it out for a new generation of gamers (who had likely never played it yet). What's so wrong with wanting that for the next game in the series?

Also, something else to consider... OoT had Master Quest (3DS even mirror flipped it: Link is now right handed again :( ) perhaps there could be a Master Quest Majora's Mask?

As far as I understand it, if they team up with Grezzo again, it won't tie up too many people from Nintendo from other projects, ergo the "REHASH REHASH ZELDA IS THE SAME EVERY SINGLE GAME I'M ALLERGIC TO NOSTALGIA" babies can stop complaining that they're not getting blown away by "new" all the time.

[rpgdemon]

Oh yeah, also that. I figured people knew about the thing where they said, "If there's interest, we'll do it" in an interview in Nintendo Power.

[Fifthfiend]

Remake Wind Waker.

With non-cel-shaded graphics.

[Jagos]

...

And yet... It goes without saying that Mother fans along with hardcore fans are screwed yet again, because Nintendo wants to focus exclusively on Zelda, Mario, and Pokemon...

[Bells]

Okay, wow, thread went a totally /v/ direction.

>whyamInotsurprised.jpg

That said, we're actually responding to a challenge from Nintendo. They said they would be interested in doing an updated rerelease of Majora's Mask if passion and fan input was sufficient enough in convincing them. Honestly, the whole reason behind redoing Ocarina for the fourth time was putting it out for a new generation of gamers (who had likely never played it yet). What's so wrong with wanting that for the next game in the series?

Also, something else to consider... OoT had Master Quest (3DS even mirror flipped it: Link is now right handed again :( ) perhaps there could be a Master Quest Majora's Mask?

As far as I understand it, if they team up with Grezzo again, it won't tie up too many people from Nintendo from other projects, ergo the "REHASH REHASH ZELDA IS THE SAME EVERY SINGLE GAME I'M ALLERGIC TO NOSTALGIA" babies can stop complaining that they're not getting blown away by "new" all the time.

I know it sounds like that, But the bottomline is that Nintendo sells what you want to buy "If enough of you ask for this game we will sell it again for you on another console. Maybe Polish it a bit too!" Nintendo 1st tier franchises are the Star Wars of the gaming world...

C'mon, it's not about Nostalgia... yeah, it's been 10 years since the release of Major's, even though it was released on the Virtual Console in 2009, but they main draw here is that Nintendo needed a strong pusher to sell the 3DS and Relaunching a game with polished graphical engine is cheaper than making a new game, also fast, and it works...

Gaming is also moved by Inovation. It's a Spiraling wave. We advanced, then we look back with nostalgia googles, than we should advance again. Outside from Moving from 2D to 3D, nintendo has done very little (compared to the others) to innovate and improve their core franchises... they do innovate and take risks with Spinoffs and other smaller products, but they don't really evolve (or at least not well) their Front Runners very well...

Remake Wind Waker.

With non-cel-shaded graphics.

Never gonna happen, but this would actually be better than Majora's... another very good game that doesn't get as much love as it should.

[Loyal]

Streamline the sailing and it's a deal.

[Aerozord]

a company makes what it thinks will sell, dont blame Nintendo for making a perfectly rational business decision. Blame the consumer for only buying the same committee designed pulp over and over again. They tried localizing Mother series, that didn't work very well, they tried essentially copy-pasting pokemon and that worked very well. This is a no brainer

[Bard The 5th LW]

I'd say MM was probably my favorite Legend of Zelda game, but I wouldn't bother with a remake. I had plenty of fun the first time around. What i'd like is a follow-up, another game centering around Termina and the Mask.

[Ryong]

They tried localizing Mother series, that didn't work very well, they tried essentially copy-pasting pokemon and that worked very well.

You mean the one game that came out at the end of the lifespan of the console it was released for and then the franchise got ignored?

[Aerozord]

You mean the one game that came out at the end of the lifespan of the console it was released for and then the franchise got ignored?

didn't say there wasn't a good reason, or that it wouldn't work now. But look at this from investors standpoint. You have 10 million dollars, do you put it towards the game that lost money last time it was localized, or do you put it in the game that has quadrupled your investment the last 5 times you localized it?

[Jagos]

Fire Emblem's success disagrees with you.

See also: Advance Wars (at least until it got darker and edgier)

[Bells]

a company makes what it thinks will sell, dont blame Nintendo for making a perfectly rational business decision. Blame the consumer for only buying the same committee designed pulp over and over again. They tried localizing Mother series, that didn't work very well, they tried essentially copy-pasting pokemon and that worked very well. This is a no brainer

It's a snake eating it's own tail. Isn't?

I mean, not so much back in the day. But more on our current generation... companies over hype games that don't really deserve all that much. Everything is trendy, edgy, topical. The companies think of "us" the gamers, but they target and sell to the gaming masses (people who don't bother with the "technicalia" of the hobby, if you're willing to accept it being called that), those in return fund those games by buying obscene amounts of it... the end result is the repetition of the cycle.

Nintendo is -very- good in what they do. They know how to pinpoint the center area between "buy this new game that everyone is talking about" and "You remember this Classic, right? now It's improved!"

[Aerozord]

Fire Emblem's success disagrees with you.


how exactly?
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It's a snake eating it's own tail. Isn't?

I mean, not so much back in the day. But more on our current generation... companies over hype games that don't really deserve all that much. Everything is trendy, edgy, topical. The companies think of "us" the gamers, but they target and sell to the gaming masses (people who don't bother with the "technicalia" of the hobby, if you're willing to accept it being called that), those in return fund those games by buying obscene amounts of it... the end result is the repetition of the cycle.

Nintendo is -very- good in what they do. They know how to pinpoint the center area between "buy this new game that everyone is talking about" and "You remember this Classic, right? now It's improved!"
yes but this money gives them a safety net to take risks on new IPs. Know what I'd rather them take a risk on? A new IP instead of making Mother 4. Just stupid to complain about them going on and on about relying on the same franchises, but then complaining another franchise isn't being continued. If it was it would just be added to the same list of continually re-hashed games

[Krylo]

Remake Wind Waker.

With non-cel-shaded graphics.

I swear to god I will cut you.

[greed]

MM was my favourite by a wide margin so this interests me way more than OoT remake. Still not getting a 3DS though, it's region locked. I'll only buy it a few years down the line and second hand so Nintendo don't see a fucking cent.

Also I HOPE Nintendo focuses on remakes. After Other M I don't trust them not to destroy their own IP. I'd rather not have to pretend there's no Zelda game after Game X or what have you.

[Jagos]

how exactly?




Marth + SSB = reinterest in the past games = Fire Emblem in US market

Lucas + SSB = New Mother 3 fans / Reggie Fils-Aim being a dick = Unhappy fans and no new games. :(

Ness + SSB = Starmen.net

Advance Wars went a similar route, but it sure took off considerably when people played the GBA versions.

[Loyal]

Marth + SSB = reinterest in the past games = Fire Emblem in US marketOnly for awhile, sadly.

Shadow Dragon didn't sell well as some might like, and as a direct result, Nintendo has no plans to localize New Mystery of the Emblem.

[e]Oh, and let's not forget Ace Attorney Investigations 2.

[ee]Really, any company needs a lot of motivation to localize text-heavy games. It's a risky and expensive proposition.

[Ecks]

Okay, okay, I honestly only want remakes because I no longer own the consoles the originals were on, and I still wanna play the games... there's no platform for classics that people want to relive (Nintendo's Virtual Consoles have gone a step in the right direction, as has Sony's PSone classics being downloadable) so I get very excited whenever there's news of a remake. Hell, one reason I actually enjoy Nintendo remaking their games is Metroid: Zero Mission. Amazing game, updated some things while still keeping true to the original. I am a nostalgia freak.

[Aerozord]

I say, why remake them at all. I loved game "x" back when it looked like crap, I still would. Sure there can be improvements but it seems like pointless work. No amount of HD texturing or tweaked controls is going to change my mind about whether or not I buy it.

[phil_]

I say, why remake them at all. I loved game "x" back when it looked like crap, I still would. Sure there can be improvements but it seems like pointless work. No amount of HD texturing or tweaked controls is going to change my mind about whether or not I buy it.I finished Zero Mission. I've never bothered to play Metroid for more than a few minutes before becoming tired of it.

I mean, Zero Mission is a rather extensive "remake," but the better graphics, controls, and interface really do make it a better game that's worth buying, even if one already played the original.

Anecdotes!:dance:

[Kim]

I swear to god I will cut you.

^^^

As for a Majora's Mask remake, as someone more fond of Majora's Mask than Ocarina of Time, if they're going to remake a game I'd want it to be that one. Majora's Mask is such a more emotionally geared experience that I think improved presentation would benefit it. This isn't so much, "They should remake all the games I like!" but "They're already constantly re-releasing games, they could at least re-release one of my favorites with some better graphics." From that perspective, I don't think wanting an MM remake is all that unreasonable.