Hatland Mafia

[Aldurin]

Vote: Revolving Ocelot

Well balls, the tone has taken a drastic turn from what it was D1.

[Kerensky287]

##Vote: Mr. Bookworm.

[Sifright]

##Vote: Mr. Bookworm.


##Vote: Mr. Bookworm.

[Geminex]

Votecount:

RO: 1
Earl

Bookie: 4
Karesh
Sifright
Kerensky
RO

Enraged by the way the game is going, the dead rise up and join the living as the mob charges Mr. Bookworm, the Man Wearing A Paper Bag On His Head, DM, self-aligned. His pleas for mercy and threats of retribution are ignored as he hung, drawn and quartered by his furious players.

Day 5 over, Night 5 begin. Day 6 starts in 48 hours.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Votecount:

RO: 1
Earl

Bookie: 4
Karesh
Sifright
Kerensky
RO

Enraged by the way the game is going, the dead rise up and join the living as the mob charges Mr. Bookworm, the Man Wearing A Paper Bag On His Head, DM, self-aligned. His pleas for mercy and threats of retribution are ignored as he hung, drawn and quartered by his furious players.

Day 5 over, Night 5 begin. Day 6 starts in 48 hours.

All threats are defeated. Everybody wins!

Fixed that for us all. Also;

Vote; Bookie

[Mr.Bookworm]

As the day draws to a close, the six remaining shake hands, and decide to go full meta.

They get the rope, then get in a hat-themed car, and drive on a hat-themed road to a decidedly non-hat-themed house.

...excuse me, be right back to finish this, someone's knocking on the door.

[Geminex]

So you're saying they drove to the Hatcave in the Hatmobile?

[Mr.Bookworm]

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The Gentlemen (Aldurin, rpgdemon, and Karesh), the Masons (Ravashak, Viridis, and Sifright), greed, and Revolving Ocelot WIN by virtue of having settled their differences and focused on the real enemy.

WHERE ARE THEY NOW?

The Gentlemen lived life in the lap of luxury for several years until they were charged with embezzlement and voting fraud. They are currently serving their two years in a minimum security prison.

The Woman in the Beaver Hat moved to Pantsville and attempted to repress her memories of the entire incident. She was later murdered by an insane clown with a pogo stick in an unrelated Mafia game.

The Woman with the Ear-Flapped Travelling Cap continued living in Hatland, where she enjoyed a short but fulfilling life before being shot by a homeowner at night while she was rifling through his fridge for clues.

The Hatless Man lived out his days of hatless rebellion forever, forever being a year and a half. Donning a fedora, he later became an accountant for one of the gentlemen's companies, where he was unfairly swept up in the same series of charges that the gentlemen faced. He is currently serving life without parole in a maximum security prison.

GAME OVER, EVERYBODY GO HOME.

[Mr.Bookworm]

Thread is now open for BUTTS, I mean uh, comments. If anyone is curious, here is the full player list:

1. Fenris, the Child in the Propeller Beanie, the Leader, playmate-aligned.
2. Gregness, the Man with the Balaclava, Bodyguard, self-aligned.
3. Moogle, the Man in the Trilby, Lovers, self-aligned.
4. Shyria, the Man in the Top Hat, Cult Leader, cult-aligned.
5. Viridis, the Man in the Gatsby, Mason, mason-aligned.
6. Hawk, the Child in the Dunce Cap, Tagalong, playmate-aligned.
7. Sifright, the Woman in the Cloche Hat, Mason, mason-aligned.
8. Karesh, the Man in the Bowler, Gentleman, gentleman-aligned.
9. Ocelot, the Hatless Man, Tricksy Rebel, self-aligned.
10. Aldurin, the Man in the Bicorne, Gentleman, gentleman-aligned.
11. Geminex, the Child wearing a Mortarboard, Tagalong, playmate-aligned.
12. IC, the Woman in the Bergère, Roleblocker, self-aligned.
13. Bahamut, the Man in the Ushanka, Vigilant Killer, self-aligned.
14. greed, the Woman with the Ear-Flapped Travelling Cap, Detective, self-aligned.
15. Smarty, the Woman in the Massive Hat Made out of Fruit, Serial Killer, self-aligned.
16. Ravashak, the Woman in the Beaver Hat, Mason, mason-aligned.
17. Bard, the Man in the Goggles, Scientist, self-aligned.
18. rpgdemon, the Man with the Cordobès, Gentleman, gentleman-aligned.
19. Kerensky, the Woman with the Sun Hat, Lovers, self-aligned.
20. P-sleazy, the Man in the Tinfoil Hat, Paranoid Insomniac, self-aligned.
21. Snake, the Mayor in the Tricorne, Peacemaker, town-aligned.

[Aldurin]

Explain why there's only one town when the rest of the "town" is self-aligned. Also what made you think it was a good idea for a 3 person scum faction to have a single extra vote as their power?

[Mr.Bookworm]

Explain why there's only one town when the rest of the "town" is self-aligned.

Because Snake could recruit other people into the Town.

Making the Town basically another cult.

Also what made you think it was a good idea for a 3 person scum faction to have a single extra vote as their power?

You weren't scum, you were a mason group with an extra power.

[Geminex]

The plan was for everyone to get gradually recruited. With 2 recruiters, about half of you would've ended up in various factions. So it's likely that your extra vote would've come to benefit some other faction. And you had an okay chance of ending up winners.

Except for mafia, of course. We were pretty much DOOMED TO FAIL.

I'd go on about that, but we got to lynch bookie, so that's atonement, in my eyes.

I will say that mafia would've won (or at least done one hell of a lot better) if Bookie hadn't screwed up on night 3. Or if bahamut hadn't been so goddamn accurate.

[Mr.Bookworm]

The plan was for everyone to get gradually recruited. With 2 recruiters, about half of you would've ended up in various factions. So it's likely that your extra vote would've come to benefit some other faction. And you had an okay chance of ending up winners.

Theeeeen Snake got killed and Shyria was the only dropout of the entire game, goddamn.

Or if bahamut hadn't been so goddamn accurate.Bahamut was batting .666, making him probably the most accurate Vig ever, which is even more impressive given that there were only 3 mafiates.

[Ravashak]

At least you could kill, we were a mason group without any extra power. What was the reason for roles not being made known after night kills, though?

[Geminex]

Bahamut was batting .666, making him probably the most accurate Vig ever.
Clearly he was either cheating, or a witch. Or a cheating witch.

What I'm trying to say is, we should burn him at the stake.

[Mr.Bookworm]

What was the reason for roles not being made known after night kills, though?

The name of the game would have become instantaneously apparent after a single Night if roles showed up, which I didn't want.

[Nikose Tyris]

What made you think it was a good idea to give that power to ALDURIN of all people.

[Mr.Bookworm]

What made you think it was a good idea to give that power to ALDURIN of all people.

http://www.nuklearforums.com/images/icons/lolitrollu.png

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

What made you think it was a good idea to give that power to ALDURIN of all people.

Actually we as a group had it. He just chose to tell Bookie to use it without asking our opinions on the matter or if we'd get another one.

[BahamutFlare]

Holy fudge I got 2/3? N1 and N2, I reduced the mafia to 1 person. yes! Smarty did get Hawk simultaneously also.

That being said, I don't want another killing role for a while. I want my percentage to stay .666/7. It is neat not having to worry who you vote for though since you get a 'lynch' every night. Sorry Mafia, but I meant to do it. It was fun for my first game.

[Revising Ocelot]

Actually we as a group had it. He just chose to tell Bookie to use it without asking our opinions on the matter or if we'd get another one.

Like the override lynch thing, huh?

Note to self, in the future make Earl unlynchable, bulletproof, and a SK power for every day while making him believe he's town.

[Aldurin]

Actually we as a group had it. He just chose to tell Bookie to use it without asking our opinions on the matter or if we'd get another one.

We had 15 minutes before I would be lynched and you guys weren't responding. If I didn't do that your numbers would be wonked and the town might have maybe had a chance.

So yes, I take credit for killing the town before it even started.

EDIT:

What made you think it was a good idea to give that power to ALDURIN of all people.

Making me a vanilla makes for a boring game.

[Sifright]

Man, at least your mason group got a power, ours didn't!

[Aldurin]

Oh right, something I noticed.

http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz339/EvilEarl/achievement-xbox.gif
Alternatively:
http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz339/EvilEarl/achievement-steam.gif

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Bahamut was batting .666, making him probably the most accurate Vig ever, which is even more impressive given that there were only 3 mafiates.

I hit 2/3 last game too. Just sayin'.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I got nothin' to say. I was basically a Jack of All trades. I had one kill, one investigation, and ne bodyguard ability.

However, this does make 3 games where I have not been Town at all!

[rpgdemon]

New policy: Always lynch Bard D1. He's never town.

[Kerensky287]

Man, at least your mason group got a power, ours didn't!

Man, at least your mason group had 3 people instead of two and didn't have that stupid fucking suicide rule!

That said, this was actually a really interesting game idea. I'd love to see it happen again, hopefully with more luck for the team leaders.

[Nikose Tyris]

As a friendly reminder, My game is now in signups, and we're 4 players short of starting! [Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard!]

[Fenris]

Oh right, something I noticed.

http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz339/EvilEarl/achievement-xbox.gif
Alternatively:
http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz339/EvilEarl/achievement-steam.gif

I know that as the mafia, we decided to keep you around because you do more harm to the town than you do us sooooooooo maybe not something to be proud of?

[Aldurin]

You just THINK I do more harm to town. Which I kinda did since I wasn't town, but I was totally gonna be a better player if I was town (kinda impossible with that game though).

[Gregness]

I feel so good about roleclaiming and completely calling the nature of this game. I mean, I don't know how much good it did exactly, but vindication is nice.

Also, being a self-aligned doctor is the weirdest fucking role combination ever. I mean, who the hell am I supposed to try and save if I only win by being the last man standing?

[Sifright]

Snake was supposed to be town cult leader and recruit the self aligned.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I feel so good about roleclaiming and completely calling the nature of this game. I mean, I don't know how much good it did exactly, but vindication is nice.

Also, being a self-aligned doctor is the weirdest fucking role combination ever. I mean, who the hell am I supposed to try and save if I only win by being the last man standing?


Tip for the future- if you suspect the entire town is self-aligned don't tell everyone about it. You just give the mafia free role-claims.
I had a suspicion but kept it under my hat so that when the mafia all claimed town- then to reveal it.

As for my own role, I was pretty much screwed day 2 when Breal was lynched- I wanted to keep him around as bulletproof would be an easy lynch final 4/5 which is the hardest poit for an SK. Then I decided to not even bother going after mafia- just hittig whomever was gunning for me while hopefully hte mafia would stay around killing and thus speed up the game
That didn't really work out too well.

All you dudes dragging out days to deadline each time- you dudes are dicks.


Also WTF Snake.

[Revising Ocelot]

Oh yeah, if anyone was wondering, I was lynch immune. If at the end you lot kept the votes on me, I'd have changed vote to myself for the http://www.nuklearforums.com/images/icons/lolitrollu.png.

The 'not being able to post' thing was fake, and since I was IRL dramaing at the time I didn't want to post in the first place.

[Aldurin]

I do find it ironic that we brought down the entire self-aligned recruitment experiment within the first day.

[Mr.Bookworm]

Oh yeah, if anyone was wondering, I was lynch immune. If at the end you lot kept the votes on me, I'd have changed vote to myself for the http://www.nuklearforums.com/images/icons/lolitrollu.png.

If they had tried to lynch you again, they would have succeeded. Your power was a one-shot.

[Revising Ocelot]

You didn't know this, obviously.

Well, "You are unlynchable." doesn't exactly imply a one-shot with its ambiguity, does it.

[Gregness]

Tip for the future- if you suspect the entire town is self-aligned don't tell everyone about it. You just give the mafia free role-claims.
I had a suspicion but kept it under my hat so that when the mafia all claimed town- then to reveal it.

...



Yeah, I sort of doubted the timing of my reveal, but honestly I was pretty lost with regards to my (lack of) a win condition and mostly just wanted to stir things up and see if I could get a better picture of what was going on since at that point we still had very little in terms of concrete evidence to go on.

[Kerensky287]

What would have happened to Moogle and I if one of us got recruited, by the way? Our power didn't mention that, and you were cagey about it when we asked you. Would our win condition change? Would we just have a foot in both parties?

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Well, "You are unlynchable." doesn't exactly imply a one-shot with its ambiguity, does it.

Here freaking here.
"The gentlemen may, as a whole, make one additional vote that will be registered as a SECRET VOTE." seemed like one extra vote per day.

[Mr.Bookworm]

Well, "You are unlynchable." doesn't exactly imply a one-shot with its ambiguity, does it.

That's because I didn't tell you about it.

I specifically put that in to avoid the exact scenario that happened there at the end.

I just didn't tell you about it because it would have been funnier that way.

What would have happened to Moogle and I if one of us got recruited, by the way? Our power didn't mention that, and you were cagey about it when we asked you. Would our win condition change? Would we just have a foot in both parties?

Both of you would have been recruited at the same time.

Here freaking here.
"The gentlemen may, as a whole, make one additional vote that will be registered as a SECRET VOTE." seemed like one extra vote per day.

Unclear wording, totally my bad.

[BahamutFlare]

I would love to see this concept done right. Shame none of the cults got to do their thing. Thank you for the game Bookworm! Good game everyone else.

[Kerensky287]

Both of you would have been recruited at the same time.

Would the same thing have happened with the other mason groups? Because while I understand that mafia is a game all about power imbalance, Moogle and I were literally worse than vanilla. Being able to share information between two people is neat, as is being able to co-ordinate votes (not that we could - you didn't allow his vote that appeared seconds after yours did, despite the fact that Day 1 technically ended about 20 minutes early!) but there were other groups that did the same thing better, and didn't have to worry about the mutual suicide drawback.

From the looks of things, the Lovers role is designed for a pair in which one member is either mafia or a power role, specifically to put the extra knowledge to good use and to allow one player to defend the other in a lynch situation. If you aren't going to do that, or even let each player exist in a different cultgroup, then I recommend removing the Lovers role from future games that you run. It's just depressing.

I mean I would have died anyway (Fenris is a baaastaaaard) but the role was pretty crappy for this specific situation regardless.

[Geminex]

That said, this was actually a really interesting game idea. I'd love to see it happen again, hopefully with more luck for the team leaders.

Kinda disagree with this. I mean, it was fun, but I really don't think the setup contributed to that. The existence of so very many factions really detracted from the quality of discussion, I feel. Sure, people weren't entirely uncoordinated, and did have a certain aim in their discussion and voting (to target mafiates and kill roles). But looking at the majority of the lynches and voting, it seems, to me, that people were driven by opportunism more than anything else. When people are self-aligned, they'll care less about the lynch target since, as long as they're not getting lynched, it's their enemies getting hurt. Even if they're sure someone's a mafiate, that mafia might go on to hurt their enemies, rather than them.

And if people don't care who's getting lynched, the game's quality drops, since a lot of what makes mafia fun lies in the discussion, the intrigue, the suspicion. We didn't have much of that here.

I mean, this is an admittedly generalized statement, but looking at the votes and lynches that happened, a lot of them seemed really weakly justified. I can't imagine, for example, RO getting lynched if everyone had been town, especially not that quickly.

This would've been a lot less grievous, I think, if both recruiters (or even just one) had survived, since a strong, streamlined faction would've been building up, but the first 2-3 days would still have been characterized by opportunism and 'every man for himself'.

A suggestion I'd make is to start with one big town faction and 3 recruiting factions, one player each. No mafia, cause I really don't think it fits here. Town knows that there's three recruiting faction and desperately tries to take them out, recruiters have to build up their power base graduallly. Multiple mason groups and power roles, players can only be recruited once, but if they get hit by a recruiter again, said recruiter learns their alignment.

You'd start similar to the vanilla mafia game, a lot of suspicion being thrown around, but players would have an interest in lynching the right player, since, if they miss, they'd be killing a townie. Then it'd probably evolve into a struggle for control between 2 factions, either town-cult or cult-cult with a small town remainder. Both would make for an interesting endgame. And as an additional bonus, it'd actually allow for a satisfying conclusion to the game! So the DM wouldn't get lynched again. : D

Mind you, that's just a suggestion.

You just THINK I do more harm to town.
Bitch say what?

That didn't really work out too well.
You can say that again. : D

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Well it did seem like a lot of people were playing chicken with the mafia, how long can we let them live before they start hurting us. Which is what makes sense when you are self-aligned but fucks things when everybody is self aligned.

[Geminex]

Mind you, from day 3 onwards, I was the only mafiate, so it was even more futile.

Out of curiosity, who actually thought/knew I was mafia?

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Well I thought you were CL. That's kind of like mafia.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Out of curiosity, who actually thought/knew I was mafia?

Yo.

[Sifright]

Mind you, from day 3 onwards, I was the only mafiate, so it was even more futile.

Out of curiosity, who actually thought/knew I was mafia?

I thought you were CL or scum but mostly CL

[BahamutFlare]

Not so much. Very slight ping when I was about to get hung. According to my style, I wouldn't really have considered it til the final few. Or until you admitted you were a child.

[Geminex]

Well I thought you were CL. That's kind of like mafia.
Stabbed you.

I thought you were CL or scum but mostly CL
Would've stabbed you if you weren't being pretty much the best distraction ever.

Yo.
Was gonna stab you.

Still, good sleuthin'. I was way too hesitant. Mind you, if I'd been more confident, I probably would have claimed town eventually and then I would've been fucked.

Not so much. Very slight ping when I was about to get hung. According to my style, I wouldn't really have considered it til the final few. Or until you admitted you were a child.
Heh. OUt of curiosity, what made you go for Hawk? Like, I get Fenris, but why Hawk?

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Was gonna stab you.


Lynched you.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Stabbed you.



I could have stabbed you but I didn't- I left you alive to stab more people!
What an ungrateful dick.

[Geminex]

Lynched you.
Pfft. You and 3 others. Cowards.

You would never have beaten me in a clean, manly bout of fisticuffs.

What an ungrateful dick.
I have a policy of stabbing the hand that doesn't chop me up. And the hand that does chop me up.

I just really like stabbing things.

Also, me and Hawk had a really nice "pinky and the brain" thing going. Cause I had a mortarboard, and he had a dunce cap. So the first thing we said every night was
"Gee, what do you want to do tonight, Brain?"
"The same thing we do every night, Pinky! Try to take over the town!"

That was kinda hilarious, till bahamut killed him.

[greed]

Mind you, from day 3 onwards, I was the only mafiate, so it was even more futile.

Out of curiosity, who actually thought/knew I was mafia?

Knew from night 2 obviously.

[Geminex]

Knew from night 2 obviously.
Would have stabbed you if I had known that there was still an investigator around okay I've gone on about this for long enough now.

[BahamutFlare]

I asked people that were inactive to start speaking. Hawk's reason to not talk D2 was because he felt like he did a bad job of talking D1. However, I thought Hawk to have pretty intelligent posts D1. He also tried to defend himself right away. It just didn't seem like he was truthful with his reasons and my guess was he was not contributing for a reason.

Fenris was similar. There were plenty of good arguments on D1. Him saying he had no leads to anyone and didn't have an opinion was just a lie. The only reason you have to lie in a game like this is if you have a power role (then you don't tell the WHOLE truth) or if you're mafia (then you don't want to tell the truth and say you're mafia or get your gang in trouble.) I took into consideration the degree of the lie and went for Fenris and Hawk.

[Sifright]

I asked people that were inactive to start speaking. Hawk's reason to not talk D2 was because he felt like he did a bad job of talking D1. However, I thought Hawk to have pretty intelligent posts D1. He also tried to defend himself right away. It just didn't seem like he was truthful with his reasons and my guess was he was not contributing for a reason.

Fenris was similar. There were plenty of good arguments on D1. Him saying he had no leads to anyone and didn't have an opinion was just a lie. The only reason you have to lie in a game like this is if you have a power role (then you don't tell the WHOLE truth) or if you're mafia (then you don't want to tell the truth and say you're mafia or get your gang in trouble.) I took into consideration the degree of the lie and went for Fenris and Hawk.

Yes and this is why I thought you were mafia, because you said fenris argument was good and rational the same reasoning you had for wanting to kill fenris is why I wanted to lynch you. That you call my reasoning terrible after killing me was hilarious.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

I asked people that were inactive to start speaking. Hawk's reason to not talk D2 was because he felt like he did a bad job of talking D1.

Huh? When did I not talk day 2? When did I say I felt I did a bad job of talking on day 1? I really don't understand you there dude.

[BahamutFlare]

Hmm, my bad then with Hawk. I meant D1. He was quiet D1. I mentioned inactivity, then he suddenly became the most talkative person. When I asked who all was inactive, I had a list of everyone I thought was inactive. Hawk was on it and then became most active. It was like correcting a mistake. He changed play styles too suddenly in my opinion. D2, he was really active. It was mostly a hunch I think. I could still be wrong? I'll take notes next game, so I can explain my thinking more clearly.

Also, about Fenris, shut up. I wanted to seem on their side. I made sure that every person I killed, I tried saying that they brought up good points. I didn't want a bodyguard to think they were in danger. Or mafia to think I had a reason for killing them. Sif, your suspicions were near spot on. Your reasons just lacked validity in my opinion. There was nothing hard to back them up. However, studying philosophy so long and science, I should realize that in this kind of game, nothing can be hard proven. Therefore, it was partially me being a newb, and partially me being a stubborn prick. :P I figured if anyone had the chance of making me be the next lynch target Sif could. (and rpg I guess)

Also, as of D3, personal real life things got me real shook up. I really just couldn't play after D3. So I don't remember some things. Sorry? As I said, notes for next game. Until then, I'll let you guys know I'm random as all heck, but I use absurd and backwards logic to figure things out. Complicated strategies, I can figure out. I can't really explain my thought processes.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

I made 9 posts day 1, 15 day 2. Granted a few were very low content, but I could just argue that there was nothing to really base suspicions on there, so fewer posts doesn't really make much sense to vote someone for. And I did miss the first 6 hours too.