Forgotten Realms Mafia!

[Nikose Tyris]

PLAYERS:

1: Siffy
2: Moogle0119
3: KareshWithAMoustache
4: Gregness
5: IHateMakingNames
6: Red Mage Black
7: BahamutFlare
8: Dracorion

GM:
Nikose Tyris

THIS GAME HAS BEGUN. DAY 1 BEGINS.

[Fenris]

Daykill: Nikose Tyris

[Nikose Tyris]

THE GM HAS DIED. CHAOS REIGNS THIS DAY.

Nah but seriously ladies.

[Ravashak]

Vote: BahamutFlare
He was too effective as vig last game, so he's bound to have been put on the other side now as punishment by the GM =)

[Kerensky287]

Vote: Fenris

Because I am jealous of his hair.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Cast Magic Missile: The Darkness

[BahamutFlare]

Vote: Fenris

Anyone with a day kill power to the GM is certainly the biggest threat ever. If anyone can think of a bigger power then that, please tell me. On that note:

Unvote: Fenris

Vote: Bard

For ninja'ing me with that joke.

[Bard The 5th LW]

How I suffer for my art

[Mr.Bookworm]

Vote: Gazebo

[IHateMakingNames]

16: Red Mage Black
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FoS: Red Mage Black

[Kerensky287]

Unvote: Fenris

Vote: Jeff Probst

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Vote: Aldurin

His name reminds me of Alduin the World Eater, the dragon Big Bad from Skyrim. Anyone with a name like that is clearly evil.

[Gregness]

Day 1...

Day 1 never changes.

FoS: All of you.

[Nikose Tyris]

For those of you who are bad at math,

11 to lynch.

[Kerensky287]

Vote: Jeff Probst
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[Gregness]

Vote: Jeff Probst
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Day 1...

Day 1 never changes.

FoS: All of you.

.

[Kerensky287]

Roleclaim: Mafia

Unvotex11: Jeff Probst

Vote: Kerensky287

[BahamutFlare]

Unvote: Bard

Vote: Kerensky

what just happened?

[Mr.Bookworm]

Ignore Kerensky and he'll go away.

If he's really bothering you whap him on the nose with a newspaper.

[Kerensky287]

No, see, if you work against your team then you get GMkilled, and if I was mafia then outing myself as mafia would be working against my team.

The fact that I'm still alive proves that I'm not mafia.

SO HA!

[Kerensky287]

Unvote: Kerensky287

[Dracorion]

So, I take it Day 1s are always like this?

Just to get it out of my system...

Check: Ceiling.

[Kerensky287]

For the record, since I voted against myself and didn't get GMkilled either, that means I'm not self-aligned or cult-aligned. The only faction my suicide would benefit is Town because that means one less person to have to account for.

Thank goodness for offline mode, though. Otherwise you'd see me sending PMs to my Mafia Don, Moogle.

[Dracorion]

Vote: Fenris

Because Kerensky is obviously trying to get us to look away from him. Also, he's never been nice to me. :(

[Kerensky287]

"He" meaning Fenris, or me?

Because I've always been nice to you. :C

The only person I haven't been nice to is Moogle, since I outed him as Mafia Don.

[Fenris]

Vote: Fenris

Because Kerensky is obviously trying to get us to look away from him. Also, he's never been nice to me. :(

because you are a tooooool

[Dracorion]

WHY DO YOU HATE ME WHEN I SHOW YOU NOTHING BUT LOVE?!

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Vote: Fenris

Because I am jealous of his hair.

Are we talking about his Avvies hair?

[Bard The 5th LW]

Im certain Fenny has wonderful hair in real life as well.

[Nikose Tyris]

Fenris has a disturbing bowlcut that he lets get shaggy and unkempt. He's a hot mess.

[Mr.Bookworm]

WHY DO YOU HATE ME WHEN I SHOW YOU NOTHING BUT LOVE?!

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa239/Slytherin17/Monty%20Python%20stuff/python.gif

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Fenris has a disturbing bowlcut that he lets get shaggy and unkempt. He's a hot mess.

I too have shaggy unkempt hair.
I am opposed to Fenris lynch.

[Nikose Tyris]

I too have shaggy unkempt hair.
I am opposed to Fenris lynch.

You are also british.

[/leavesgameandstopsinterfering]

[Bard The 5th LW]

I too have shaggy unkempt hair.
I am opposed to Fenris lynch.

The two of you are clearly in league.

Vote: Karesh

I once had shaggy hair but it was recently cut. Nevertheless.

FOS: Bard

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

The two of you are clearly in league.

Vote: Karesh

I once had shaggy hair but it was recently cut. Nevertheless.

FOS: Bard

Hey.
Fuck you.

[Aldurin]

I'm not tripping out on Tryptophan, right? These shenanigan posts are real, aren't they?

[Aldurin]

Vote: Obama
Wait, wrong voting thing.

Unvote: Obama

FoS: Everyone that isn't making me question my sanity.

[Red Mage Black]

Well shit, I don't know. Who am I suppose to vote for with all these shenanigans? So Nik doesn't bitch at me to vote:

Vote: Bard

FoS: Karesh

[Sifright]

eurgh, why does every game have to start just after I go to bed. Any way,
Vote:Third Party

Because fuck the pubs and dems.

[greed]

Vote: InbredChocobo

Cause I dislike the letter "I".

[Geminex]

Vote: InbredChocobo

Cause I dislike the letter "I".

Why aren't you voting for IHMN then, hmm? His name has a higher percentage of I's than any other player's!

Is it because you're both scum?
Is that it?

Vote: Greed

[Fenris]

Why aren't you voting for IHMN then, hmm? His name has a higher percentage of I's than any other player's!

Is it because you're both scum?
Is that it?

Vote: Greed

Can you verify that this vote is not, in fact, an attempt to monopolize the letter G?

Should we be concerned for Gregness, next?

[Ravashak]

but aren't you just trying to save your faction member greed now, Fenris?

FoS: Fenris

[Inbred Chocobo]

Occupy Forgotten Realms!

Vote: Bankers

[Kerensky287]

How long does Day 1 last, by the way?

Unvote: whoever

Vote: No to drugs

[Nikose Tyris]

Day 1 will last, effectively, until either 11 votes are forged against a person, or I decide I'm immensely bored and declare an endpoint.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

You expect to get a concensus out of us? On day 1? HA!

[Sifright]

Unvote:thirdparty

Vote:Kerensky

It's day one and every one is joking around but I dunno that just seems mega weird.

[IHateMakingNames]

Well now this is going to look bad since Sif just posted, but

Vote: Kerensky287

He tried to hard to get played off as silly or nonsensical, so later he can be suspicious and write it off as that.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Yeah Kerensky went surprisingly far with that one gag, but I don't think I'll be joining the bandwagon on him just yet.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

After spending an entire game desperately trying to curtail suspicions from a day one joke I'm a bit torn on the subject.

On the one hand me and Al were playing as if we were a semi mafia. Technically speaking, both of our jokes really were somehow tells that the town should have pursued.

On the other hand though, I still don't really understand the logic behind the pursuit we'd gotten on that. Moreso in Kerensky's case as there's such a strong bandwagon forming over essentially nothing.

Could either of you elaborate on whether there's anything else you're interested in, or is this just a case of having nothing better to do?

[Bard The 5th LW]

It can be pretty easy to get carried away in the joke atmosphere, hence why Im waiting for something a bit more solid.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Yeah voting for someone based on joke posts made in the joke posting period is pretty poor reasoning to start bandwagoning.

You should all feel bad about that.

[Geminex]

Gotta agree with Karesh, here. I mean, Sif's reasoning seems to be entirely without basis (as per usual, then, wakka wakka), and as for IHMN's vote... I dunno. I guess goofing off and trying to get ignored that way is a valid scum tactic, but given that it's day 1 and everyone's being pretty silly, I don't think a vote is justified yet.

[BahamutFlare]

After spending an entire game desperately trying to curtail suspicions from a day one joke I'm a bit torn on the subject.

On the one hand me and Al were playing as if we were a semi mafia. Technically speaking, both of our jokes really were somehow tells that the town should have pursued.

On the other hand though, I still don't really understand the logic behind the pursuit we'd gotten on that. Moreso in Kerensky's case as there's such a strong bandwagon forming over essentially nothing.

Could either of you elaborate on whether there's anything else you're interested in, or is this just a case of having nothing better to do?

When people did pursue it, you were like, "JOKE". Then I felt bad for making you angry and left you alone. A joke roleclaim to mafia and a mass string of joke votes...the first has got me more concerned. No sane townie would do this. However, Kerensky doesn't seem sane? Also, it's D1, logic isn't most applicable here is it?

[IHateMakingNames]

There isn't really bandwagon on Kerensky. Two people voted for him, and though you can't really know this, I had planned to vote for him before Sif had. Hardly a bandwagon.

I think Kerensky tried to hard with his jokes. I find scum are more likely to be the ones to joke the most on Day 1. I also now suspect everyone who is saying there is a bandwagon on Kerensky if he ever comes up as scum.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

When people did pursue it, you were like, "JOKE". Then I felt bad for making you angry and left you alone. A joke roleclaim to mafia and a mass string of joke votes...the first has got me more concerned. No sane townie would do this. However, Kerensky doesn't seem sane? Also, it's D1, logic isn't most applicable here is it?

A joke roleclaim to mafia

How are you still lying about what I said.
How.

HOW.
There's not even a reason to anymore!

[Dracorion]

I think he's talking about Kerensky's roleclaim to mafia.

Incidentally, FoS: IHMN.

I find his attempts to get someone lynched on day 1 highly suspect!

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Ah Day 1.

Everybody making joke posts? Check.

Somebody already being percieved as "suspicious" over essentially nothing? Check

People bandwagoning on that person? Check.

Others claiming that that bandwagon isn't a bandwagon? Check.

Sounds like an avarage Day 1 so far. All we need now is somebody to claim that the people who haven't posted yet are somehow suspicious, and somebody else claiming that anybody making posts too much is equally suspicious and we'll be on our way!

[Nikose Tyris]

GETTING BORED.

DEADLINE SATURDAY AT SOME POINT PROBABLY.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Our shenanigans are clearly not enough for grandmaster nikose. Lets step it up people!

[Dracorion]

You're quite right, Hawk.

In fact, the only behavior around that isn't normal for a Day 1 is... yours! You're being far too reasonable and crap. I'm onto you!

Unvote: Fenris.

Vote: hawk

[Aldurin]

Vote: Women's Rights
Vote: Net Neutrality
Vote: The Inactive Players
Vote: Legalization of Medical Marijuana
Vote: Banning of the "rolled a 1" automatic failure on skill checks.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Unvote; Aldurin

Vote Dracorion

For not capitalising the H. Fenris got a capital letter, why am I not good enough for one eh?!

Also for siding against reason and logic. Only a scummy scum would do that.

[Dracorion]

Says the guy who can't get his punctuation right. You're not going to turn this around on me, scummy scum scum!

[Sifright]

Vote: Women's Rights
Vote: Net Neutrality
Vote: The Inactive Players
Vote: Legalization of Medical Marijuana
Vote: Banning of the "rolled a 1" automatic failure on skill checks.

DM's that rule rolling a 1 on skill checks is auto fail are huge dicks. Skills aren't supposed to follow the same rules as attacks.

[Ravashak]

But with the knowledge we have now, the only ones that have information are scum and masons (which have a decent chance of being semi-scum, see last game). This means that at this point, reason and logic is the power of scum =)

FoS: Hawk

[Aldurin]

Wait! I know how to end this all in a clean and painless manner.

I am the Discontented Player, Player-Aligned.

Lynch Override: Nikose

And then everything was well forever.

[Bard The 5th LW]

But with the knowledge we have now, the only ones that have information are scum and masons (which have a decent chance of being semi-scum, see last game). This means that at this point, reason and logic is the power of scum =)

FoS: Hawk

Then clearly we must act off of stupidity, and the stupid thing to do would be to lynch the most stupid of us because the dumbest member of town wold be out greatest asset in this idiotic endeavor.

Who's the dumbest one here?

[BahamutFlare]

Ravashak's post made logical sense. However, if his post made logical sense, then he is either masoned or scum. Paradox! Why would he admit to being scum? *head explodes*

Also, I'd like to see a post 1 lynch override. Biggest middle finger to town ever.

Karesh: because <3

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Then clearly we must act off of stupidity, and the stupid thing to do would be to lynch the most stupid of us because the dumbest member of town wold be out greatest asset in this idiotic endeavor.

Who's the dumbest one here?

Nah, the stupidest thing to do if this is the case is to do nothing.

Vote: No lynch

[Kerensky287]

GETTING BORED.

DEADLINE SATURDAY AT SOME POINT PROBABLY.

Oh shit! Well, I was planning to stoke the flames a bit more and watch the chaos unfold, but we're apparently on a short time limit. So, this is how it's gonna work.

Roleclaim: Mafia Investigator, Turncoat.

See, on the one hand I'm mafia-aligned. On the other, if I'm involved in the lynching/nightkilling of the Mafia Don, I get swapped to Town-aligned Vigilante.

So I was serious in that roleclaim, and the only reason I didn't get GM killed for working against my team is that I technically only moved against Moogle0119, the Mafia Don, who I am certainly NOT aligned with.

Now, here's the thing. The mafia has the potential to belt out 3 nightkills per cycle. In theory, I could sit here and have an easy ride to the endgame because we've got a bodyguard, too. There are 5 mafia (including me), and some number of other-aligned killroles. This game will fly by and it will be bloody. If I can attract attention - which I can - then I could be a bullet magnet for SK and Vig while the others just mop you up.

But in this kind of theme, and with Nikose GMing, I feel that I'd prefer strength in numbers. If I defect, I can name the other mafiates for you. We could kill them in one cycle. That leaves us open to dealing with whatever ungodly-powerful self-aligned role(s) Nikose whipped up, without having to worry about mafia.

I'm willing to wait overnight for a PO to check Moogle, if a bodyguard agrees to protect me from my allies tonight. Don't bother trying to nightkill, he'll be protected. Ideally we could lynch him today, though, to deny the mafia that third kill.

Unvote: no to drugs

Vote: Moogle0119

Any questions?

[Bard The 5th LW]

Thats an... interesting claim to say the least. We could put moogle to the test, and if its right, then whoo you're right, but if its wrong then nooo your scum.

But seriously, pretty intense a claim to make D1. Why would you confess that itd make you the vig? Vig is like the #1target for the scum. Seriously, if your wrong you get lynched, if your right you get shot up by scum.

FOS: Kerensky times a million.

That claim seems like a diversionary tactic of some sort. Its kinda like he wants to die.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Not sure how the edit rules work here, so Ill double post. Kerensky is probably one of three things.

1. The Jester or some klnda self alligned who needs to die day 1 or night 1 or something like that.

2. A scumteam member using the jester defense earlier than he should. The jester defense helped Nikose drag his lifespan on than it shouldve in MLP.

3. Some other thing Im not familiar with

[IHateMakingNames]

Easier method of checking his claim.

Vote for Kerensky.

He either wants to be lynched because he has something anti-lynch, or has a power activated on lynch. Or he wants people to believe him. I rather just lynch him and see what happens. Or if this is another joke we just kill an idiot.

[Kerensky287]

3. Some other thing Im not familiar with

Honest?

[Bard The 5th LW]

Id say he wants to die in some capacity unless this is some sorta bluff.

[Kerensky287]

Fuck no I don't want to be lynched.

I want Moogle to get lynched.

If I wanted to be lynched, why would I have requested a bodyguard?

[Bard The 5th LW]

Lets put it this way.

If you're wrong, we lynch the fuck out of you.

If you're right, Scum nightkills the fuck out of you.

You say scum has three night kills. If they all target you then the bodyguard will do you absolutely no good.

[IHateMakingNames]

It's far more likely he wants to get lynched. But frankly I kind of want to see what happens.

[Ravashak]

As Bard said, that's an interesting claim, Kerensky. I'm actually tempted to try it out, if it works out, it's a nice improvement to town, if not, Kerensky's dead meat. Besides, Moogle hasn't posted yet, and while it's possible he hasn't had time to do so yet, for now, I'll humour Kerensky and:

Unvote: BahamutFlare
Vote: Moogle0119

If anyone has a better plan, though, let me know.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Not sure what to make of Kerenskys claim to be honest. I can see it being a jester move, because I can't see why anyone else would do something like that. I mean if he was technically part of the mafia until he decides to turncoat then why do it D1? Why not wait to see who starts winning as the game goes on before jumping ship?

He also claims mafia can make 3 kills, which is, like, what?? I don't even. That seems crazily overpowered. And if that was true, then it would mean mafia would be more likely to win, so why jump to the other team immediately? I mean unless he HAS to jump sides, but really, 3 kills for one faction? I highly doubt that.

So I'm thinking either jester, or a lyncher role, seeing as he wants to get rid of Moogle first. I'm actually think it's probably closer to a lyncher role really.

[Gregness]

Yeah, if his claim is true that means there's zero downside to him trying to turn? Seems suspect. Then again, I figured IHMN in the MLP mafia would have had some power to compensate for his posting restriction then too so maybe my notion that powers have drawbacks and vice versa is somewhat misguided in regards to mafia games.

I dunno man, I just hate D1 shenanigans.

[Dracorion]

Well, you see, if it comes down to lynching someone, I'd rather get the guy who's been actively fucking with us literally since we started.

But, if he is lying, then I don't see how his plan has any long-term viability. If we kill Moogle instead of Kerensky, and Moogs turns out to be a townie, we'll just get him in D2.

He could be sacrificing himself to draw the heat off of the other scum, but it seems absurd to pull that off this early.

But it's also unlikely that what he says is true. Out of Moogle and Kerensky, Kerensky's the one who's been the most suspicious, by far. Not to mention that he's being manipulative as fuck.

Goddammit I dunno.

Unvote: Hawk.

Vote: No lynch.

Damn you Kerensky! :argh:

[Sifright]

Yea I don't believe Kerensky, I think there are ulterior motives behind what he is doing but it's a ridiculously stupid plan for a mafiatte day 1. So I think we can absolve him on that fact I just don't know what he is playing towards. Lyncher role could be possible but I don't think it matters if thats his role because does it has little bearing on the rest of the game, so killing him off if he has that role doesn't help town.

Way I see we have a few ways to deal with this situation

A) we can test Kerensky by lynching Moogle
(Given the information Kerensky has given us our optimal plan would in theory be this if he telling the truth)

B) Po scans Moogle or Kerensky or Both, we deal with them the next couple of game days.
(Safest option for avoiding mislynch as PO can investigate one or both to confirm the story and when he has all the info he needs or wants he can dump it later on in the game Cons- PO could die, takes along time to fulfill and if mafia have three kills a night we lose alot of players. .)

C) We lynch Kerensky, If his alignment shows like he said we lynch Moogle afterwards.
(If Kerensky is telling the truth We lose a potential vig and semi-waste a lynch killing a townie although we do kill the don either in the night or the next day)

at the moment I'm leaning towards C because of the way Kerensky dealt with things earlier but i'm going to unvote in the mean time it's late in the evening and I want to try and think this through better before I agree to killing some one day one this does look to be the best lead i've ever seen for legitimately lynching a person day one though.

[Sifright]

Unvote:Kerensky

[Kerensky287]

You say scum has three night kills. If they all target you then the bodyguard will do you absolutely no good.

...I did not know that. I thought bodyguards just made you un-nightkillable.

Welp. I guess that means I'm kinda fucked regardless at this point. If you lynch me, I die. If you lynch Moogle, I die twice.

Kind of a depressing thought. Welllll... maybe there's someone with some bizarre power that could protect me from that? I dunno, it looks to me like this is obviously a power game. If anyone is genuinely for reals vanilla then feel free to pipe up but we've got 5 mafia members all of whom have powers.

Moogle: The Don
Me: Investigator
Another person: Choice of three powers, selected at the start of each day, current selection is vig
Another person: Mimic somebody else's power, has stated intention to mimc our vig
Another person: Bodyguard.

It's far more likely he wants to get lynched. But frankly I kind of want to see what happens.

...IHMN, I respect you. You DOMINATED that MLP game using only gifs to communicate. It was pretty damn impressive. So with that in mind, I'm sure you have some reason to genuinely think I want to be lynched. I'd love to hear your thought process on this.

But the way I see it, there are a couple of possibilities here, and you are going with by far the most dangerous one.

1) I'm a jester, as you suggest, and you lynch me. I win. End of story.

2) I'm a jester and you don't lynch me. I lose.

2) I'm being honest. You lynch me. You find out that I am, in fact, a Mafia Investigator, but three townies die, and even if you lynch Moogle the next day, you still have no idea who the other 3 mafiates are. I lose, so do you.

3) I'm being honest. You don't lynch me, but you don't lynch Moogle either. I'm still aligned to mafia, so I can't tell you who the others are without being GMkilled. I die overnight anyway, but the mafiates might waste a nightkill or two on me (more to be sure that I die in case of bodyguarding), so between 0-2 townies die. I lose, so do you, but less so this time.

4) I'm being honest. You lynch Moogle. You see he's the Mafia Don. I convert to Town Vig, but I die overnight anyway because the two remaining mafiates attack me. I lose, but nobody in town dies.

5) I'm being honest, you lynch moogle, and by some miracle I survive the night. 0-2 townies die, depending on the reason I survive, but I tell you the names of the three remaining mafiates, we lynch one, nightkill the other, and then have all our remaining resources to spend finding the self-aligned players.

Lynching Moogle is, far and above, the best option for town at this point. I'm dead either way, frankly.

Not sure what to make of Kerenskys claim to be honest. I can see it being a jester move, because I can't see why anyone else would do something like that. I mean if he was technically part of the mafia until he decides to turncoat then why do it D1? Why not wait to see who starts winning as the game goes on before jumping ship?

He also claims mafia can make 3 kills, which is, like, what?? I don't even. That seems crazily overpowered. And if that was true, then it would mean mafia would be more likely to win, so why jump to the other team immediately? I mean unless he HAS to jump sides, but really, 3 kills for one faction? I highly doubt that.

So I'm thinking either jester, or a lyncher role, seeing as he wants to get rid of Moogle first. I'm actually think it's probably closer to a lyncher role really.

Now that I'm not typing on a cell phone, I can explain my reasons more thoroughly.

-This is a Forgotten Realms game. There are some crazy overpowered characters in Forgotten Realms. I'm certain that somebody is Drizzt, we probably have an Elminster, we might have a Cadderly or an Entreri. Plus, Nikose is running this game; if you like, head back to the mafia game list and click Superhero Mafia. On one of the last pages, Nikose posts a full role list, and you can see the kind of bizarre shit he tends to come up with. That is what we're dealing with.

-There are 5 mafia players, including myself. We have a whopping 3 potential nightkills, assuming we're all alive, for the reasons I stated above. If Nikose tried even a little to balance Mafia with the others, then there's very likely some kind of unholy fucking horrorterror self-aligned player out there. If I stick with Mafia, I have to worry about both town lynches, town roles (which there are probably a TON of) and self-aligned bullshittery.

-If I defect on Day 1, we can kill off the Mafia by Night 2. Nikose said there would be no cult. All at once, we're down to just town + self-aligned players, and I'm sure town has at least one PO.

-My original thought process was that even if I can't force a Moogle vote, I can still get my story validated by having a Town PO scan Moogle on Night 1. If I get bodyguarded, I survive to Day 2, defect to town, and we go on to win the game handily.

-It's better to be honest from the outset than to start out lying. If I'm 100% honest 100% of the time, you have no reason to mistrust me... in an ideal world. At the very least, it makes me feel better about myself.

So that's about everything I can think of to say. If you have other theories, I'd love to hear them, either to shoot them down or just to know why the hell you think I want to be lynched. If you think I'm a jester, don't lynch me. If you believe me, don't lynch me. If you have any other reason why you think lynching is ACTUALLY a good idea, then tell me!

Also I don't know what a lyncher role is. Is it a role where you win by lynching someone? Because that seems kind of ungodly overpowered for a mafia member. If you lynch Moogle, I win, if you don't lynch Moogle, I win. Really, doing this sort of roleclaim would be the worst possible idea unless you're playing with toddlers.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

I'm in favour of lynching Kerensky. I don't believe a word he's said. 3 Kills for the mafia? C'mon, that's ridonculous for a start. Then there's simply the fact that he's planning on changing sides which doesn't make sense if mafia is as powerful as he says. Why would anyone want to change sides unless they knew they were going to lose?

It seems far more likely he's a lyncher to me at this point. He makes the claim right after Nik says the day will end early (ish), and points the finger at somebody who we have no reason to suspect other than "he's totally the mafia don guys, take my word for it. Also I'll become a town vigilante afterwards too!"

No, I'm sorry, but that is so much bullshit.

And in the unlikely event that he is telling the truth, then we'll know his role from lynching him (by his own admission he'll show up as a mafia turncoat) and then we can immediately go after Moogle the next day, or if we already have a vig, then he can hit Moogle the same night. That's 2 mafia for free straight off.

Worst case if he is telling the truth is we lose gaining a vig, but I don't think that'll happen anyway.

Unvote: Drac

Vote: Kerensky

[Kerensky287]

Oh, and for the record: I'm not an idiot. If I was a jester, I wouldn't roleclaim mafia unless, again, I was playing with toddlers. You guys are smart enough to realize what a mafia roleclaim probably means... I guess.... ow, my head. I just got turned in loops.

But I guess my point is, if you're playing jester, the way to win isn't to act like mafia. The way to win is to act like mafia who's acting like town. I know this, and thus, I would not roleclaim mafia as a jester. I would roleclaim vanilla townie, and then push against lynch bandwagons as hard as possible at random.

You guys have obviously noticed that my actions make no sense under most circumstances, but since this is Mafia, you're trained to disbelieve everybody - the truth is, what I'm doing ONLY makes sense if I'm being honest.

I'm pushing hard for a Moogle lynch. That means I get something out of lynching Moogle. And if I was a lyncher - if I'm right about what they do, that is - then I would have waited until much later in the game to make sure a lynch on Moogle would be successful. I would not have done it when I need 11 goddamn people to agree on a day 1 decision.

[IHateMakingNames]

Scummy Action 1: You made a claim that cannot be counter-claimed. Our only perceived way to believe you is to listen to what you say. What we can actually do is lynch you to verify.

Scummy Action 2: You are telling who the PO and the BG should target. This is probably a power heavy game, so we've probably got watcher and the like. You are setting up townie power roles to get fucked.

Scummy Action 3: Crazy plan and obscure power claim. With the game just started, you out yourself as scum and want everyone to follow what you say because you claim you'll turn to townie afterwords.

Dick Action 1: You are going against your alignment. It's Day 1 and you are already planning to kill the mafia as a mafia-aligned player. You say it's just against Moogle but it's damming the whole mafia.


It boils down to being a mafia plan, you're a jester, you're a lyncher, something crazy Nikose made up. What you are not is a vanilla townie or a pro-town power role. The first kills a mafia, the next two an unimportant townie, and the fourth we'll just ignore because it's not predictable. Either way killing you isn't bad for a Day 1 lynch.

[Gregness]

Okay, so if Kerensky IS a jester and he wins by getting lynched, does that mean town loses? or does that mean he just gets added to the winner list at the end? 'cause if the only thing at stake from lynching him is whether we have to let him into the winner's circle at the end I totally don't mind taking the only solid thing we've got so far.

FoS: Kerensky

[Kerensky287]

Scummy Action 1: You made a claim that cannot be counter-claimed. Our only perceived way to believe you is to listen to what you say. What we can actually do is lynch you to verify.

Scummy Action 2: You are telling who the PO and the BG should target. This is probably a power heavy game, so we've probably got watcher and the like. You are setting up townie power roles to get fucked.

Scummy Action 3: Crazy plan and obscure power claim. With the game just started, you out yourself as scum and want everyone to follow what you say because you claim you'll turn to townie afterwords.

Dick Action 1: You are going against your alignment. It's Day 1 and you are already planning to kill the mafia as a mafia-aligned player. You say it's just against Moogle but it's damming the whole mafia.


It boils down to being a mafia plan, you're a jester, you're a lyncher, something crazy Nikose made up. What you are not is a vanilla townie or a pro-town power role. The first kills a mafia, the next two an unimportant townie, and the fourth we'll just ignore because it's not predictable. Either way killing you isn't bad for a Day 1 lynch.

...Good points, actually. Yeah, I can see where you're coming from.

People keep forgetting that I may just be honest about this, but at this point I literally cannot give a damn. I've said my piece, and I stand by it. I've laid out the plan that would be optimal for me - that is, either the Day 1 Moogle lynch, or the Night 1 Moogle Investigate. I've laid out the reasons that this plan would also be perfect for you guys. I have a snowball's chance in hell of seeing Day 2. I have zero reason to lie anymore at this point, but whatever.

I mean, obviously if I'm lying about everything, then I don't have "zero reason to lie anymore", and I guess my mistake was not thinking that people might actually disbelieve me when I spilled everything from the get-go? Meh, inexperience. Though if I'm a jester, as you seem so intent on believing, I'm not sure why you're still voting for me.

Point is, I'm telling the truth. There's not much more for me to say other than what's already been said, and I have no way of proving my position without the PO investigation.

That said, I'm still gonna watch the game as it develops. I want to see what crazy voodoo gets pulled out of the depths of Forgotten Realms Villainry.

(Regarding the "dick move" point, I think that was probably how Nikose conceived of my role. I'm basically Starscream from Transformers. If I wanted to, I could have gone the opportunistic route, but instead I mentally aligned myself with town and went all-in. 'S up to you.)

[Kerensky287]

It just occurred to me that if I'm gonna get lynched anyway then there's no reason not to just out the rest of the mafia players (since a GMkill is no longer a serious threat) but I'll hold back on that to avoid ruining the game.

It'll be funny seeing the townies drop three-to-a-night, too.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Dick Action 1: You are going against your alignment. It's Day 1 and you are already planning to kill the mafia as a mafia-aligned player. You say it's just against Moogle but it's damming the whole mafia.


ARGH I wrote up an analysis of this point from the perspective of Nikose as a GM but it ate the whole thing.
I'll sum it up but i can't be assed to write the entire thing out again:

Nikose likes to cheat and subvert the rules, while he would probably install ways for players to do so within his own game I don't think this is in line with his usual methods or thought process.

The claims Kerensky makes would mean that the mafia is incredibly powerful, so much so that if they do not implode they will easily win this game without a single problem. But are almost assured to implode because Kerensky has been given a role that is too deliciously set up to betray them. This doesn't make sense. It's... sorta mean, really.
That's what I think it comes down to for me. Either way, this game wouldn't really be fair. On the one hand the entire mafia can be revealed and systematically destroyed. On the other the town will be wrecked.

[Gregness]

Vote: Kerensky287

Yeah, the more I think of it the more this whole situation doesn't add up.

"Look Guiez, I'm totally offering up the entire mafia on a plate, also I turn into a vig and start handing out free candy and rainbows."

I mean, if something sounds too good to be true, that's usually because it is.

[BahamutFlare]

So if you truly are going to be town vig, who are the other mafia members? You'd be killing them one a night anyway starting with the bodyguard. And being town, you'd be helping us out greatly.

If you're telling the truth and we vote you, we get rid of a mafia and lose 1 more town then before.

If we vote Moogle, then he may be some random innocent. We don't know for sure, but you did roleclaim mafia.

Therefore, the best course of action is IMO to keep my vote on Kerensky. If he is telling the truth, then we lynch moogle D2. should be an easy lynch. If we are lucky, some roleblocker could save a townie too during the night.

[Dracorion]

Vote: Kerensky.

Yeah, all the talk he's done really hasn't warmed me up to him. When he was listing all the possibilities, I noticed he failed to list the ones where he wasn't the jester and was still lying.

If he's scum, I don't think he's trying to convince us one way or another. I think he just wants us to tie ourselves up in knots and do nothing.

So, I choose to lynch the guy who claims to be both a turncoat and an honest guy.

[Nikose Tyris]

I believe it would be worthwhile to request a vote tally.

[Kerensky287]

So if you truly are going to be town vig, who are the other mafia members? You'd be killing them one a night anyway starting with the bodyguard. And being town, you'd be helping us out greatly.

If you're telling the truth and we vote you, we get rid of a mafia and lose 1 more town then before.

If we vote Moogle, then he may be some random innocent. We don't know for sure, but you did roleclaim mafia.

Therefore, the best course of action is IMO to keep my vote on Kerensky. If he is telling the truth, then we lynch moogle D2. should be an easy lynch. If we are lucky, some roleblocker could save a townie too during the night.

I can't namedrop the other mafiates. It would be against my alignment, and it would ruin the game. It looks like it's shaping up to be a FUN one (in the Dwarf Fortress sense), and I want to see how it all spirals out of control once the 3x nightkills start taking their toll.

I don't think it'd be too big of a hint to say that lynching inactives is a bad idea though. *wide wink*

It's actually kind of fun to list all the possibilities and their outcomes, so I think I'll do a bit more of that in another post. I wish people would do these crazy convoluted day 1 reveals more often.

[Fenris]

I believe it would be worthwhile to request a vote tally.

Jeff Probst: 11
Kerensky
Kerensky
Kerensky
Kerensky
Kerensky
Kerensky
Kerensky
Kerensky
Kerensky
Kerensky
Kerensky

I think I might have missed some posts, though.

[Nikose Tyris]

You sir

are a dick

[Kerensky287]

Vote: Kerensky.

Yeah, all the talk he's done really hasn't warmed me up to him. When he was listing all the possibilities, I noticed he failed to list the ones where he wasn't the jester and was still lying.

If he's scum, I don't think he's trying to convince us one way or another. I think he just wants us to tie ourselves up in knots and do nothing.

So, I choose to lynch the guy who claims to be both a turncoat and an honest guy.

For the record, I never claimed to be a turncoat. Nikose did, in his PM to me. I like to think of myself as more of a TF2-style spy. I think sapped enough sentries to alleviate the pain of getting critted by the enemy Engie's wrench.

Anyway, more possibilities, as requested:

1) I'm a mafiate, so is Moogle (don or otherwise). Not possible, because I'd have been GMkilled.

2) I'm a mafiate, Moogle isn't. He's just a random guy I picked from the list. This would be a bad idea on my part. Even assuming people listen to me on Day 1, I probably get nightkilled Night 1 by the vig (who now knows me to be mafia or self-aligned), and if not, then I have no way to defend myself from a Day 2 lynch. I've attracted too much attention to myself for this to be a Mafia plot, and my fellow mafiates are not being convincing enough townies for the plan to work if I was some kind of sacrificial lamb. *wider, knowing wink*

3) I'm self-aligned. Doesn't matter if I targetted Moogle with any intelligent thought or not (keeping in mind that he has not posted once this game!), the fact is that a self-aligned player cannot get that far by attracting attention to themselves. In my original plan I expected to get investigated Night 2 AT THE LATEST (as in, if they check moogle night 1, they're still gonna check me night 2) and if I had been lying about my role, that would have been the end.

4) I'm town from the start. Roleclaiming mafia is a stupid, stupid idea and I should proceed to my nearest hospital for an emergency vasectomy to avoid contaminating the gene pool further with my horrifically low intelligence.

5) One of the above, but I'm trying to use reverse psychology. I probably would have changed my story, come up with a backup plan, or tried to call out somebody else's posts (a specific person!) as suspicious by this point.

The truth is that since I'm mafia, I CANNOT make a move against any other mafiate - including mentioning names, FoSing, or anything else direct-targetish - without getting GMkilled.

Luckily, it's totally within my alignment to lie about mafia members, so I'm gonna reward a few particularly clever people with Not-Mafia guarantees. Unfortunately, as confirmed townies/self-aligned, that will make you a higher priority target for mafia nightkills, of which there are several... so sorry about that drawback. But hey, maybe that'll make you more likely to take a risk and kill off someone I've confirmed to have nightkill ability? Like, say, Moogle?

FoS: IHateMakingNames because those were very good points.
FoS: Karesh because I sympathize with the way the board ate your post. Also, you are 100% accurate that this is going to be a silly bloodbath.
FoS: BahamutFlare because you were so accurate as a Vig last game. Maybe if you have killpowers you'll do just as well here?

[Kerensky287]

FoS: Fenris
FoS: Jeff Probst

[Kerensky287]

Ooh, there's also the possibility that I'm wrong on several of my points. It would be totally in keeping with what I know of Nikose for him to tell me something about my role that is an utter lie.

Heh. Maybe Moogle and I are The Lovers again.

Wait.

Fuck. That's totally what it is, isn't it.

NIKOOOOOOOOOOOOSE

UnFoS: Nikose

because he is totally mafia-aligned and I don't want nikose to gmkill me

[IHateMakingNames]

I think you are also pushing to hard on the GM Kill aspect.

Mafia could simply tell Nikose not to GM Kill Kerensky because it's part of a plan.

My stance that this is all too much bullshit and it's easy to solve by lynching Kerensky remains.


Nikose, vote count?

[Nikose Tyris]

Man I never do vote counts myself. I hate doing those.

I'll do it now.


Edit: I think Kerensky's got like, 4 on him.

[Kerensky287]

Mafia could simply tell Nikose not to GM Kill Kerensky because it's part of a plan.

Wait, that would work?

NIKOSE IT'S ALL PART OF THE PLAN

GONNA POST THE OTHER MAFIATE NAMES NOW KTHX

[Kerensky287]

Also IHMN that kind of implicates you, doesn't it?

If my FoSs were reverse psychology, doesn't that make you mafia?

[Bard The 5th LW]

The truth is that since I'm mafia, I CANNOT make a move against any other mafiate - including mentioning names, FoSing, or anything else direct-targetish - without getting GMkilled.

But you've already told us the don! Even if he's an exception, you've also told us their roles! There's you, the investigator, 3 kills, and that apparently moogle is either bulletproof or another mafiate can protect him. You've told us a lot! I'd assume that you either are scum wotking against your team, or you are not scum and just making shit up. And since you haven't been GM killed, then your'e probably just lying!

Everything Kerensky's is doing just reeks of strangeness. I maintain that he's putting himself in a damning situation. Either his role is literally to die on D1 or kill Moogle on D1. I don't even know why he'd do this, D1 is a bit too early for Gambits, so hiz role probably requires him to pull off whatever he needs to do D1.

[Kerensky287]

Moogle is not bulletproof but considering the circumstances I'm 99% sure [bodyguard name] will protect him tonight.

Apparently telling people the roles is not the same as telling their names.

I am not on the same team as Moogle technically because of the loophole that I might kind of want to kill him. I'm pretty sure that, as a Starscream, I was supposed to be sitting around and just plotting against everybody in the world, but as I said, I think the self-aligned players are going to be a much bigger threat, and I'd rather face them with a united front. That's it.

[Dracorion]

Going by what you've said, you do realize that a better united front to face the self-aligned players with would be the mafia's 3 night kills, right?

[Kerensky287]

Not necessarily - we still have no idea what the distribution of Town powers is - and it would take longer to reach the point of Mafia dominance than it would to have Town vs Self-Aligned.

Also, I would be more useful in my optimal Day Two situation than as a mafia vig, because instead of having a shot-in-the-dark investigation each night, I'd have 3 guaranteed names and their order of importance right off the bat.

Finally, I just sort of love to see all the shit that gets disturbed by such a massive revelation. You cannot tell me, in all honesty, that you'd rather have the usual 3 days of joke votes followed by aimless bandwagonning.

[Dracorion]

Pointless bullshit drama over whether or not you're telling the truth?

I'd honestly rather have the bandwaggoning. Maybe I'm not jaded, though, this being my first game and all.

But you know, at three kills per night the mafia could win by Night 3, as long as they don't lose anyone and a townie gets lynched/vigkilled.

Hence why we kill you! If you're telling the truth, that means getting rid of you closes the win threshold for mafia.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Hmmm, I don't see Kerensky really telling the truth in this matter at all, seeeing how it has utterly doomed him. So yeah, he's either jester or lyncher. Its a wee bit of a gamble, but we may as well take the chance.

unvote: Karesh

Vote: Kerensky

[Kerensky287]

Hmmm, I don't see Kerensky really telling the truth in this matter at all, seeeing how it has utterly doomed him.

Wait, what?

"He said he was telling the truth, then he got in trouble, so it must not have been the truth."

Seriously, though, what?

(Also, I should mention that I was re-reading my PMs... remember the Mafia Vig? The person who can pick one of three powers per day, those powers being Vig, Bodyguard, or Un-nightkillable? He also has extra lives. Yeah. Not sure what to make of that.)

[Bard The 5th LW]

If you're telling the truth and are the Mafia tuncoat, then we lynch Moogle D2.

If you're lying then we don't lynch moogle D2.

If we lynch moogle and you're telling the truth then whoo.

If we lynch moogle and you're lying Ohhhh noooo.

Furthermore, if you're telling the truth, then Mafia is totally going to kill you tonight because you will become the vig. Really, even if you're telling the truth, you're a dead man. Furthermore, if you use the bodyguard and the scum uses 2 of their 3 kills, then we lose you and a bodyguard!

Lynching you is a way to verify your claims with minimal death.

[Kerensky287]

If you're telling the truth and are the Mafia tuncoat, then we lynch Moogle D2.

Or he dies Night 1. I suspect the town has multiple killroles, and [insert name here] can't block them all.

But yes, this is what will happen.

If you're lying then we don't lynch moogle D2.

If Moogle makes it to Night 2 then your entire team honestly deserves the loss you'll get.

If we lynch moogle and you're telling the truth then whoo.

Still gunning for this!! (Even though I'll probably die.)

If we lynch moogle and you're lying Ohhhh noooo.

I don't see why. If Moogle isn't a mafiate and I am, then it means you lynch a townie/self-aligned player, and then lose between 1 and 3 other townies depending on whether or not I'm being honest about the number of nightkills we have. But then I get killed overnight by a vig.

The end result is is that if you lynch moogle and I'm lying, you will be EXACTLY as well off as you would have been if I hadn't spoken up - better, in fact, because instead of a 1 in 4 chance of hitting mafia, you have a confirmed target to aim for.

Furthermore, if you're telling the truth, then Mafia is totally going to kill you tonight because you will become the vig. Really, even if you're telling the truth, you're a dead man. Furthermore, if you use the bodyguard and the scum uses 2 of their 3 kills, then we lose you and a bodyguard!

I'm well aware. I mentioned that I was probably going to die.

If I was less of an attention whore I'd probably have stopped posting by now but I kind of like that this entire game is currently centered around me.

Lynching you is a way to verify your claims with minimal death.

This is flat-out wrong.

-If I'm telling the truth in all respects: You lynch a potential vig, and then 3 townies overnight. That's four lost townsfolk.

-If I'm lying about being a turncoat, but honest about the nightkills: You lynch a mafiate, and then lose 3 townies overnight. That's three lost townsfolk.

-If I'm lying about being a turncoat and about the nightkills: You lynch a mafiate, and then lose 1 townie overnight. That's one lost townsfolk.

If you lynch Moogle instead, however...

-If I'm telling the truth in all respects: You lynch the Mafia Don and gain a vig. You lose me and one other townie overnight. That's one lost townsfolk, technically.

-If I'm lying about being a turncoat, but honest about the nightkills: You lynch a townie, then lose 3 townies overnight. That's four lost townsfolk.

-If I'm lying about being a turncoat and about the nightkills: You lynch a townie, then lose 1 townie overnight. That's two lost townsfolk.

While I know that this isn't how statistics work, adding up the potential kills from all possibilities gives you...

Lynch Me: 8 deaths.

Lynch Moogle: 7 deaths.

Plus, I'm not even the Mafia Vig. I don't have nightkills. Lynching me just takes away an investigation power, which the mafia frankly doesn't need. They've got enough firepower that they don't need to aim.

(Not that any of this is going to change your mind at all. When the lynch/nightkill role reveals verify my story though then at least I'll be able to point to this as evidence of my honesty...?)

[Red Mage Black]

Besides the whacky accusations back and forth and then in light of the evidence presented, I just have to say this: "Kerensky, on behalf of the last vestiges of your sanity and your wish to be killed on Day 1, I RMB, will help grant your wish."

Vote: Kerensky

Since this is obviously where it was headed in the first place.

[Dracorion]

Right, so I got to counting votes and here it is:

1: Siffy
2: Bookworm
3: Greed
4: Ravashak ----------> Moogle0119
5: Moogle0119
6: Hawk ----------> Kerensky287
7: Aldurin
8: Karesh
9: Ryanderman
10: Inbred Chocobo
11: Gregness ----------> Kerensky287
12: Fenris
13: Kerensky287 ----------> Moogle0119
14: IHateMakingNames ----------> Kerensky287
15: Geminex greed
16: Red Mage Black ----------> Kerensky287
17: BahamutFlare ----------> Kerensky287
18: TDK
19: Dracorion ----------> Kerensky287
20: Bard the 5th LW ----------> Kerensky287

That's seven against Kerensky, by the way.

[Kerensky287]

I love how this all sort of started because Bard thought I was a jester, and now you're planning to lynch me.

[Red Mage Black]

Well, when you roleclaim and make accusations against people who have yet to post... well... you kind of bring it upon yourself.

[Kerensky287]

Well, yes, if it was a ploy. I was kind of hoping that my story would strike the "That's crazy enough to be true" chord, as opposed to the "He's mafia so he's obviously dishonest" chord.

I mean, fucking seriously guys. Here are the reasons you'd roleclaim mafia, ever:

1) You're a jester and you're playing against people who aren't smart enough to realize why you're trying to get voted off. I wouldn't do this because this game is full of experienced players.

2) Someone has proven you mafia and you're trying to squeak away on a technicality or extend your lifespan for some reason. I didn't do this because it's Day Fucking One.

3) You have crucial information that could only be obtained by a Mafia member, and for some reason you want that information to become public. This is what happened here.

4) You're faking #3. Interestingly enough, this is what I expected the general populus to assume, and I was trying to pre-emptively tackle it by giving out literally every bit of information I had except the other mafiates' names. At this point, though, it looks like a couple of people are - paradoxically enough - accepting some parts of my story as fact while still dismissing me as a liar.

You've all stuck yourselves into the mindset that I HAVE to be lying, even though literally the ONLY option that makes ANY sense whatsoever is for me to be telling the truth.

Why would the mafia sacrifice one of their own to get a lynch train started on a townie? Why Moogle specifically? What possible plan could this EVER be a part of aside from what I'm telling you?

[Dracorion]

Final possibility: you're a dick.

Other final possibility: you're trouble and no one cares whether or not you're honest.

[Mr.Bookworm]

you're trouble and no one cares whether or not you're honest.

^

Unvote: Gazebo

Vote: Kerensky

[Nikose Tyris]

9 votes on Kerensky.

[Kerensky287]

Wait, what?

You missed that blatant, obvious, not-at-all-scummy ad-hominem attack?

Bookworm, explain how I'm trouble.

[Kerensky287]

Like, I honestly don't understand. Are people pissed at me because I'm disturbing shit? Or did I just make the mistake of letting my associates rip on me for long enough to change the general mood?

[BahamutFlare]

I've read the last 3 pages to really love Kerensky. And given the cases, I'm at a coin-flip right now.

OK. I'm going to think about the possibilities.

Unvote: Kerensky

It's 100% chance to take out a mafia. But the switching part seems fake. If you become town and survive until D2, you could then without breaking the rules tell everyone who is in the mafia and ensure a town victory. Which seems very, very unlikely to be put into the game. The switching part is what makes me suspicious.

If you can justify the pros and cons of switching from mafia to town stuff, I'd switch. I don't want to wake up to N1 at the moment anyway. Cuz switching seems overpowered for town. But if you're correct, mafia seems overpowered with 3 nightkills a night. If the guy who chooses 1/3 options had to choose different options each night, then the mafia would be kinda balanced.

Fair enough Kerensky?

[Kerensky287]

You know what? Whatever.

I have been trying very, very hard to hand the town the mafiates on a silver platter.

They aren't even fucking hiding it anymore. They want me gone because they know I'm right, but they can't give reasons to vote for me. Look for the players who DON'T HAVE ARGUMENTS. There are three of them. They have all posted at least once. Moogle is the fourth.

Vote me off, or vote Moogle off. I cannot possibly care less at this point. I've done all I could to help you guys. It's like trying to breed pandas at a motherfucking zoo. In the immortal words of George Carlin (I think)...

"Maybe the pandas want to go extinct!"

[Kerensky287]

BahamutFlare, thanks for at least considering it for a moment. I'm not going to try to sort out what makes this game balanced - as I've said in the past, I suspect that the Town and Self-Aligned players have some seriously big guns at their disposal to counteract the mafia's bullshit role combos. One of those big guns may, in fact, be the temptation for me to switch - I was supposed to slowly undermine the mafia until they were weak enough for me to defect safely. I just happen to prefer the idea of going town from the start.

Point in support for that, while my investigation targets were to be sent through Moogle, Nikose was going to send the results directly to me, presumably to report and/or reinterpret as I wished.

It's possible that Nikose just didn't think of all the possibilities. Not really sure.

The fact is that I'm NOT going to survive until day 2 - I'll probably be lynched by morning, and if I don't, the mafia has demonstrated itself to be pissed enough at me to start using personal attacks in a public setting - so my defection is sort of irrelevant. I guess the three kills a night thing was supposed to discourage me from defecting on day 1, since I couldn't count on that many bodyguards, and it's my fault for not knowing how that worked. So sue me.

[Nikose Tyris]

Votes on Kerensky: 8.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

The fact is that I'm NOT going to survive until day 2 - I'll probably be lynched by morning, and if I don't, the mafia has demonstrated itself to be pissed enough at me to start using personal attacks in a public setting - so my defection is sort of irrelevant. I guess the three kills a night thing was supposed to discourage me from defecting on day 1, since I couldn't count on that many bodyguards, and it's my fault for not knowing how that worked. So sue me.

I can kinda understand why they'd be pretty fuckin' pissed at you at this point.

[IHateMakingNames]

If you'd name every other mafia member I'd believe you.

Otherwise, I find it far more likely this is some mafia ruse. My guess is that Moogle is unnightkillable, or can't be killed specifically by the mafia, but he's a role the mafia needs killed and they were told this information. So Kerensky sacrifices himself to get Moogle killed, by being lycnhed day one as mafia then everyone believing him that Moogle is the don and him being vig'd/lynched.

[greed]

Vote: Kerensky

Until you name the other mafiates.

[Sifright]

I've gone over Kerenskys posts again, I note he mentions that Moogle being night killed would still make him the vig. This alleviates the concern I had over him having a lyncher role where he has to get moogle lynched. I truly don't believe A mafia player would gambit like this day 1 to get a single person lynched I can't conceive of a power role that would make the mafia players think a one to one trade off is worth it. Mafia members have limited numbers and 1 - 1 trades always end unfavourably I'm inclined to believe his claim.

How we go about using that information is another matter. Ideally if he is going to be killed by the mafia any way killing him now would be stupid lets force the mafia to waste a kill on him tonight.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

How does that make you think he's not a lyncher? Lynchers have a target they have to get lynched. His actions in pointing the finger at Moogle and trying to get people to lynch him is totally in character for a lyncher. By the time people lynch Moogle, Kerensky would have already achieved his goal and wouldn't have to fear any reprisal once we find out he's lieing.

The other possibility is he's a jester, who wants to make an outrageous claim D1 that he knows nobody would believe in order to get himself lynched. Both could fit here.

In the possibility that he is telling the truth, and we lynch him, he turns up as a turncoat mafia, and we can then go after Moogle, taking down 2/5 Mafiates straight away. Even with their supposed 3 kills per night then, we still have a good chance of taking down the rest before they have majority.

I'm also suspicious of the fact that he's not telling us who the rest of the mafia are. If he was planning on flipping and becoming a vig, then he would immediately start going after them anyway, which would result in a quick mafia loss. We'd also want to know, once he's vig, who it is he's going after, so we can target somebody else, so witholding the information is pointless anyway, because he would have to tell us if he flips vig anyway, and it would still amount to a quick mafia loss either way. He says it's fear of GM kill, but he's seemingly about to be lynched anyway now, can't survive all 3 night kills if the mafia go after him if he's not lynched and if he was really on the towns side he would tell us anyway. 1 Death for 4 mafia is a good trade off if you're supposed to be on the towns side.

But the entire claim breaks down anyway, on the basis that a) mafia apparantly has 3 kills a night, which would mean an easy victory for them, unless there's somethig massive the town has to counter it, and b) the entire mafia can be taken down based on 1 persons actions. That means the entire game is centred on 1 players decision on when to turn traitor, and is wildly unbalanced. Now, maybe the traitor is the balancing factor in the 3 kills per night ability, but that doesn't seem very fair to the rest of us. We might as well not play if it all comes down to when Kerensky decides to betray mafia.

Now, I know there's some precedence for Nik making bizzare roles, like in the Superhero mafia, but I can't imagine he'd do something this unbalanced. Or maybe the Superhero mafia was this ridic, I duno, can anyone tell me if it was?

I feel that the simplest answer to this is that Kerensky just has some sort of self aligned goal, whether lyncher or some bizzare thing Nik came up with or whatever, but either way, he's clearly up to something and it probably doesn't benefit us at all.


Wow, that turned out a lot longer than I initially intended.

[Nikose Tyris]

9 votes on Kerensky.


Deadline Noonish.

[Kerensky287]

If you'd name every other mafia member I'd believe you.

Otherwise, I find it far more likely this is some mafia ruse. My guess is that Moogle is unnightkillable, or can't be killed specifically by the mafia, but he's a role the mafia needs killed and they were told this information. So Kerensky sacrifices himself to get Moogle killed, by being lycnhed day one as mafia then everyone believing him that Moogle is the don and him being vig'd/lynched.

Vote: Kerensky

Until you name the other mafiates.

Sure, guys, I'll name the other mafiates. Just as soon as you start trying to intentionally get rid of your fellow townies.

Like, here's the thing that I've mentioned on several occasions already: if I name ANY of the other mafiates except for Moogle, I get GMkilled for cheating. And even then I've been pointing at them as hard as I can without using names or specific callouts.

I just don't understand this whacked-out idea where the only way you're willing to go without lynching me is if I get GMkilled.

Once again:

-I cannot publically say that any mafiates are ACTUALLY mafiates. That means that if I FoS somebody who is mafia, I get GMkilled. I have FoS'd MULTIPLE people regardless, and since I can't FoS Mafia.... welp!

-I hinted that it would be a bad idea to go after inactives, and then later explicitly said that every mafiate (other than Moogle) had posted. That's because when I gave the first hint, only 2 of 3 had posted. Between those two posts of mine, a mafiate made his first post of the thread.

-A page or two ago, someone made a personal attack. That is because they KNEW I was being honest (how could they know, pray tell???), could not disprove me, and simply tried to continue swinging personal opinion against me. I deliberately avoided responding in the hopes that someone would catch that and think that maybe, just maybe, there was something odd about this post.

I can kinda understand why they'd be pretty fuckin' pissed at you at this point.

Well, I never said it was unjustified. :P

Them using personal attacks is uncalled-for though.

"If you must hate, do not hate the player; hate the game."

-Gandhi

[Sifright]

Sure, guys, I'll name the other mafiates. Just as soon as you start trying to intentionally get rid of your fellow townies.

Like, here's the thing that I've mentioned on several occasions already: if I name ANY of the other mafiates except for Moogle, I get GMkilled for cheating. And even then I've been pointing at them as hard as I can without using names or specific callouts.

I just don't understand this whacked-out idea where the only way you're willing to go without lynching me is if I get GMkilled.

Once again:

-I cannot publically say that any mafiates are ACTUALLY mafiates. That means that if I FoS somebody who is mafia, I get GMkilled. I have FoS'd MULTIPLE people regardless, and since I can't FoS Mafia.... welp!

-I hinted that it would be a bad idea to go after inactives, and then later explicitly said that every mafiate (other than Moogle) had posted. That's because when I gave the first hint, only 2 of 3 had posted. Between those two posts of mine, a mafiate made his first post of the thread.

-A page or two ago, someone made a personal attack. That is because they KNEW I was being honest (how could they know, pray tell???), could not disprove me, and simply tried to continue swinging personal opinion against me. I deliberately avoided responding in the hopes that someone would catch that and think that maybe, just maybe, there was something odd about this post.



Well, I never said it was unjustified. :P

Them using personal attacks is uncalled-for though.

"If you must hate, do not hate the player; hate the game."

-Gandhi


Yea, I actually believe you less after that post.

Vote:Kerensky

[Kerensky287]

CAV0XrbEwNc

Unvote: Moogle

Vote: Kerensky

So I can stop checking the thread.

[Nikose Tyris]

10 Votes on Kerensky.

11 to Lynch.

Edit: Oh, fine then. Gimme a minute.

[Kerensky287]

I think I just ninja'd you actually.

[Nikose Tyris]

"NO, DON'T YOU SEE, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH YOU, ALL ALONG! I'VE JUST BEEN UNDERCOVER!" The madman ranted, as he was dragged to the gallows. A Cleric of Bane just shook his head, overseeing the entire process.

The Noose was fit snug around The Lunatic's head. "I SWEAR TO TORM I JUST WANTED TO HELP!" And the floor dropped out from under him.

"The only way to help a madman is to send him closer to gentle Ilmater to soothe his pains, and hope he escapes the grasp of Cyric." Moogle0119 sighed quietly. "At least now we can focus on finding the Red Wizards of Thay, and waste our time chasing fantasies.

Kerensky287, Adon, Fallen Cleric of Mystra, Lunatic has passed from this world.

NIGHT 1 BEGINS. No posting in thread. Send in your PMs, people!


Edit: Oh, right. Night will last roughly 24 hours. Send in your PM's before the end of Sunday.

[Kerensky287]

Lynch Override: Nikose

[Nikose Tyris]

Final call for night roles to come in. Deadline's 5 PM EST.

[Nikose Tyris]

Artemis Entreri moved in, knife drawn, and took a brutal stab into Qilue Veladorn's chest, severing the poor drow's life from his mortal coil. He gazed proudly upon his conquest, before realizing that this wasn't the drow he had intended to strike- But realized this far too late, as Manshoon himself moved forward and took the life force clean from Artemis' body. "Filthy Assassins," he muttered, as he stepped over TDK, Qilue Veladorn, Town Aligned, and Karesh, Artemis Entreri, Serial Killer, Self-Aligned.

Szass Tam, Lord of the Red Wizards, set his hateful gaze upon Ravashak, his intentions clear- Murder. Carefully aimed his vampiric touch and grasped at the life force flowing freely from him. He wondered momentarily why Lallara was waving her hands in futility, attempting to stop or distract him from his target, as he gripped Hawk, Nevron, Red wizard, Mafia Aligned, by the throat, and sucked his soul dry.

He then realized that Hawk was, by definition, NOT Ravashak, and became quite cross.

Several attempts were made on IHMN's life- but Storm Silverhand was stationed outside his door the entire night, chasing them away, one after another.

Alassra Silverhand, the Simbul herself, rushed forward at Moogle. "I will end your pathetic existence, Red Wizard!" She raised her hands in rage, before her face softened. "Oh, Whoops. You're not a Red Wizard at all, are you? My apologies, sir."

DAY 2 HAS BEGUN.

KARESH, ARTEMIS ENTRERI, SERIAL KILLER, IS DEAD.
TDK, QILUE VELADORN, SEVENTH SISTER, IS DEAD.
HAWK, NEVRON THE RED WIZARD, IS DEAD

[If I made ANY ERRORS I sincerely apologize, PM me and I'll fix them if possible. I'm so out of practice.]

[Ravashak]

Someone tried to kill me, I'm hurt!

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

WHELP.

[Ravashak]

Slightly more serious, it seems Kerensky was a lunatic after all, since it seems there were just 3 kills in total, SK (Artemis), vig (Manshoon) and mafia (self-destruction?) I guess, even if the flavor seems to indicate some redirection of kills, on both the SK and mafia's side.

IHMN had a bodyguard, and several attempts on his life, I'm not too much into Forgotten Realms, but is Storm Silverhand related to the Red Wizards in any way?

And I guess this also clears Moogle, Alassra's interaction sure seems PO-like.

Still, two successful misdirects in one night, feels too coincidental, someone's ability maybe?

[IHateMakingNames]

Fuck you guys.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Well, we've cleared the batch a bit at least. And it seems Moogle is town. I am not familiar with any of those names though, so I wouldn't exactly know what we or they have lost. Which roles would TDK or Hawk be likely to have?

[Nikose Tyris]

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com

[Sifright]

Ok, getting alignment and role info from night kills makes things a lot easier to piece together with that in mind two anti town players down so thats pretty damn awesome not sure of the significance of TDK's role power wise hopefully we didn't lose anything to important.

Also Moogle appears to be confirmed as town so we have the ability to start forming a stable voting block around him which will prove to be very useful. Going to go back over posts see if I can piece anything together action/strategy wise to see who could have thought going for those players would be a good idea.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Alright, read it briefly. Still not sure what role TDK might have had. I guess Hawk may have been a kill role? I dunno, most of what Nevron is seems to be "Hate monster of great power".

[IHateMakingNames]

Only one person killed who they actually wanted to kill. Not sure what caused all the misdirections.

There's at least five kills per night based on this night. One was misdirected, one hit Karesh successfully, and at least two people tried to kill me. However the 5th killer seems to only kill mafia, since Moogle lived. I'm guessing mafia has at least two killers.

Mafia wanted to kill Ravashak, so he isn't mafia. Moogle is not mafia based on the night text. This doesn't mean they are town, since they could both be self-aligned. I feel we have more than a usual amount of those. But they aren't mafia.

[Bard The 5th LW]

At the very least, there are a lot of kill roles and a lot of misdirection roles. Im going to say Nevron probably wasnt a kill role since there didnt seem to be anything about him trying to kill anyone, just him getting killed.

Moogle and Ravashak seem pretty trustworthy, and Ravashak may not be targetable at night? Not sure how Im supposed to read that text there.

[Ravashak]

According to the wikia Nikose linked, Artemis sees Drizzt as a nemesis, and Qilue's also a drow. So this might not actually be misdirected.

On the same note, Nevron and Szass Tam don't seem to be on good terms with each other either, though it's still strange that mafia'd kill themselves, so I'm guessing misdirect here.

[IHateMakingNames]

Day 1 was basically wasted because of Kerensky's role, but FoS: Geminex and FoS: Bard.

Two out of the four people who quickly called on the not-bandwagoning were scum. I think chances are good that at least one of the other two are as well. The idea is that by being that "good townie" and stopping a band wagon you are appearing less scummy.

Also FoS: Dracorion for continued joking at that point and Hawk interactions.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Only I did end up casting my vote for Keresnky when he started acting even crazier.

[BahamutFlare]

Ok well, hmm. Dracorior was annoying with jokes. They did seem to go on a bit too long.

FoS: Dracorior

Not sure about more people to suspect.

[BahamutFlare]

I meant Dracorion. Some reason thought R was the ending letter. We aren't allowed to edit? Or would this case be ok for future reference?

[Red Mage Black]

Wait, Dracorion made jokes? I don't remember seeing any and I've been reading this entire thread page for page. Maybe I'm missing something?

Also yeah, mafia threads have a special 'no edit', so people can't go back and change what they've said in case it might be incriminating or people might misread what they're saying. That's how I'd do it if I ran the game section.

Anyway, I'm not really familiar with FR lore, so I can only look through the wiki and since these are mainly characters from the novels, I can't tell who is who.

I can't think of a more clearly suspicious individual right now, so I guess I'll just continue watching.

[Fenris]

Also yeah, mafia threads have a special 'no edit', so people can't go back and change what they've said in case it might be incriminating or people might misread what they're saying. That's how I'd do it if I ran the game section.

It's not against the rules but it's scummy as hell, and stupid people will try to lynch you for it sometimes.

[Dracorion]

Oh, you guys. You're talking like Hawk's the only person I've joked around with.

FoS: Geminex. Because every interaction I've ever had with him outside of Mafia games, he always likes to talk a lot and pretend to be a manipulator. So it strikes me as suspicious that he's keeping a low profile now.

And we have this whole hateflirt thing going on between us.

Incidentally, IHMN, I was totally thinking about FoSing you for conveniently getting bodyguarded. It's unlikely that would've happened if you were just a townie. Except Storm Silverhand is one of the Seven Sisters and not affiliated with the Red Wizards, and the Sisters are probably like masons in this game, and you might be one of those. So... I'll get you next time, Gadget! :argh:

EDIT: I edit to add one word for clarification (from Mafia to Mafia games) and I didn't see Fenris' post above. Oh, the irony.

[Aldurin]

Vote: Dracorion

For editing vital information out of his post.

[Dracorion]

Yeah, I boned myself pretty bad.

[Nikose Tyris]

stupid people

/laughsatAldurincallinghimselfstupid

[Inbred Chocobo]

Ok, getting alignment and role info from night kills makes things a lot easier to piece together with that in mind two anti town players down so thats pretty damn awesome not sure of the significance of TDK's role power wise hopefully we didn't lose anything to important.

Also Moogle appears to be confirmed as town so we have the ability to start forming a stable voting block around him which will prove to be very useful. Going to go back over posts see if I can piece anything together action/strategy wise to see who could have thought going for those players would be a good idea.

I'm not 100% sold on that, as the attack shouted to only kill red wizards, yet we already see a load of self-alignment people. To be fair, with all the roles out there, there really isn't telling exactly what happened, so who knows.

Vote: Gregness

I'm not sure what strikes me odd here, but his posts all seem really short and really sweet, which feels like he is just popping in to say something, and then go on his way. Its like he has something to hide, so I'm going to see what happens.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I really hope this isn't some sorta self-aligned orgy like last game.

[Gregness]

It's not against the rules but it's scummy as hell, and stupid people will try to lynch you for it sometimes.

Vote: Dracorion

For editing vital information out of his post.

WHELP

FoS: Aldurin


I'm not 100% sold on that, as the attack shouted to only kill red wizards, yet we already see a load of self-alignment people. To be fair, with all the roles out there, there really isn't telling exactly what happened, so who knows.

Vote: Gregness

I'm not sure what strikes me odd here, but his posts all seem really short and really sweet, which feels like he is just popping in to say something, and then go on his way. Its like he has something to hide, so I'm going to see what happens.

I mean, yeah I guess? I didn't really think I was typing any different than usual, but I was at my Mom's house for Thanksgiving so I guess maybe I was keeping it a bit short since her computer isn't really that great and I had my nephew to play with.

Besides that, there wasn't really all that much to argue RE: Kerensky. His claim stunk because he was promising us basically the entire game and I called him out on that. As I said in my last post on that matter: If it seems too good to be true it probably is.

[Moogle0119]

Hey everyone, sorry for my inactivity since the game started. I've been working most of the weekend and didn't even know this game had started yet. I'll have something more useful to post once I get done catching up on the thread and see what's been going on; the first post needs to be updated though since I can't even tell from a cursory glance if we're even past D1 yet.

[Nikose Tyris]

People in for a surprise: Moogle0119.

[Nikose Tyris]

*finger count* Uh, 9 to lynch, I think.

[Sifright]

I've gone back over the day one posts paying attention to the kerfuffle with Kerensky, I'm not sure I completely agree with IHMN about his thoughts on those 'calling out' the 'bandwagon' I had reservations about lynching kerensky but at the same time I can see where IHMN is coming from as kerensky was our best lead at the time to lynch a mafiate. I do think Dracorion back and forth between himself and Hawk is a bit suspicious I'm not sure that is a huge amount to go on though.

Further thoughts to consider. We can be sure that both Moogle and Ravashak are at the very least not Mafia although they could be self aligned I don't think this game will be filled with self aligned like in Bookies game. So at the very least their voting habits will be much safer to follow. Not sure what to consider of the attempts on IHMN but we can be sure the person who protected him is not mafia so there is a reasonable chance IHMN isn't mafia either.

weak fos: dracorion

[IHateMakingNames]

You seem to have misunderstood.

Everything after Kerensky revealed his big plan is worthless. Not a single post from Day 1 after that should be looked at for information.

I'm talking about after you and I voted for Kerensky. Four people, Karesh, Hawk, Bard, and Geminex, suddenly decided it was a bandwagon and jumped in to save Kerensky. He was a self-aligned lunatic, so he had no allies. But Karesh and Hawk were both scum trying to look like good townies. I figure that means Bard and/or Geminex are also scum. Two votes is way to early for a band wagon, these people were simply looking for the first opportunity to not appear as scum.

[Moogle0119]

Regarding Day 1, wow.

While I know absolutely nothing about the FR setting (other than it's D&D and it's usually referred to as the high-powered setting (I preferred Eberron more myself)) it seems we have a night killer (Alassra Silverhand, possible Vig) who has a stipulation that she will only actually perform the night kill on any of the Red Wizards. We also seem to have some sort of re-directing role or mind control role that took over Szass Tam's night kill for the Red Wizards and turned it on his own team (how else do you explain him not realizing that Hawk was NOT Ravashak until after the kill? I'm not sure). There also appears to be someone named Manshoon (no real flavor text to determine the alignment, just that he hates assassins?) who took out the the SK. And finally we have at LEAST two different night kills (no flavor text for any of the killers) that targetted IHMN who survived due to Storm Silverhand's protection (most likely a BG). So yeah, with at least 5 night kills (or 6 if you include the now dead Karesh) and lots of powers all around, sure sounds like a FR game from everything I've heard.

[Ravashak]

I targetted Hawk with my night role, night 1, so that did put me close to him. Not quite sure how this caused Szass to target him instead of me, though.

[IHateMakingNames]

I targetted Hawk with my night role, night 1, so that did put me close to him. Not quite sure how this caused Szass to target him instead of me, though.
I suppose that statement should be significant, but at this point I assume every player has a power.

Though I don't believe you aren't sure why the misdirect happened. Unless Nikose didn't tell you about your own power.

[Moogle0119]

I'm going to have to side with IHMN on this one. If you state that you targetted Hawk with whatever night power you have, surely it must have done something? Either way though, you're definitely not part of the Red Wizards at least.

[Geminex]

Okay, what the hell has been going on.

Oh, wait, I know.

To respond to the various fingers being pointed at me: My defense of kerensky, at the time, was valid, I feel. I mean, there were two votes on him, neither of which seemed to have even a trace of legitimacy to me. I guess it would kinda have made sense for mafia to defend him as well? Since, as you say, they can earn brownie points for opposing a bandwagon they know is on the wrong target. But that really only works if they're sure he's gonna get lynched anyway, so, a) their defense gets validated and b) they don't waste a chance to get town to waste a lynch. Given that, however, the case for Kerensky was pretty damn shaky, I don't think that defending him, at that time, is much of a cause for suspicion.

I probably would have voted for him when he started telling tall tales. Unfortunately he got 11 votes before I managed that.

As for my absences, courtesy of the deutsche telekom, I still don't have internet at my place. I can participate on weekdays, cause I'm at uni, but on the weekend I have to check in at internet cafes. I did that on saturday and sunday, but it was still night then, sooooo.

And we have this whole hateflirt thing going on between us.
Didn't we break up? I coulda sworn we broke up.

Anyway.

That night was weird as fuck. We had, what. 1 SK kill, one mafia kill, one kill by manshoon (Looking him up, he's apparently pretty evil, so maybe another SK?) and at least 2 kills on IHMN.
So, at least 5 kills last night, minus 2 for the two dead players. Quite a bit of activity there.

The redirects are really confusing to me, as well as the fact that IHMN apparenly got targeted by multiple kills and a bodyguard. What the hell is up with that? I've reread the backlog a few times, and at no point did IHMN seem to step on any toes. Well, not thoroughly enough to warrant several kills on him, anyway. Christ.

I've got to catch my bus home now, I'll look through the thread again and write something up to post tomorrow morning.

[Inbred Chocobo]

I mean, yeah I guess? I didn't really think I was typing any different than usual, but I was at my Mom's house for Thanksgiving so I guess maybe I was keeping it a bit short since her computer isn't really that great and I had my nephew to play with.

Besides that, there wasn't really all that much to argue RE: Kerensky. His claim stunk because he was promising us basically the entire game and I called him out on that. As I said in my last post on that matter: If it seems too good to be true it probably is.

Eh good point. There just isn't a lot for me to go on in this thread. I mean there is IHMN's reasoning, and honestly since two different killing roles went after him I kinda lean him towards townie, so there might be something there, but I just don't have anything.

Unvote: Gregness

I feel like there is too much going on in this game to really sort out what to do, at least for me. I need to think on this more, so time for brooding.

[IHateMakingNames]

Geminex or Bard is definitely mafia. Leaning towards Geminex because he used way to many commas and qualifiers in that last post.

But again, 2 votes isn't a band wagon. A townie wouldn't bother defending against it until about 5 votes, since there isn't any actual issue with it at 2 votes. What did happen Bard said bandwagon then two scum immediately jumped in to help defend, and then Geminex.

[Dracorion]

Leaning towards Geminex because he used way to many commas and qualifiers in that last post.

Snerk.

[BahamutFlare]

Snerk.

It's the stuff like this is what makes me suspicious. In fact, it's almost like you have some inside info that you know whether or not IHMN is right or wrong and you're teasing him.

Also, if this is not the case, you certainly don't reveal any intentions or information yet. Except for maybe the idea that you won't reveal information which is a bad thing for town.

[Sifright]

Snerk.

Day 2 is really not the day to be pulling this kind of shit.

Vote: Dracorion

Voting because joke posts at this point in the game only serves to curtail discussion and hinder town, I think we have more than enough night kills to leave bard or gem to the night players to deal with.

[Dracorion]

Well, in this case my deception is twofold.

First, it's a shot at Geminex because I've called him out on his abuse of punctuation being the reason he's so suspicious whenever he does anything lots of times in the past. And he always says that's just how he normally talks.

Second, I was trolling everyone purposely. If I did know something, it'd be profoundly idiotic to post something like that and draw attention to myself for no good reason. In fact, you should probably lynch me right now just in case I am that stupid, and do everyone a favor.

Truthfully? I agree with IHMN that Gem is probably mafia. The problem isn't that he and Bard defended Kerensky, the problem is they did it at the same time as two other scum. Stopping a two-vote bandwagon probably wouldn't be a very smart way to appear as good townies, but they may have wanted Kerensky to stay alive so he could keep pointing fingers at people who weren't actually mafia.

And yeah, Sif, I guess I should probably stop joking around now.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Maybe 'bandwagon' wasn't the proper term for it, but it could have been the start of one. I justs didn't see a fully realized reason to vote for Kerensky at that moment. I said I wanted to wait for something more solid before pitching an actual vote, and I did.

[Red Mage Black]

Sifright bro, calm down a little, would you? Overreacting to a one word post, are you not? I realize this game is about finding the bad guys and getting rid of them, but people don't need to be so on edge about it. That's just what it is, a game, right? The fact that people like to jump to conclusions so soon is the reason why I like to hang back. Didn't you see where jumping at what Kerensky was saying lead us to? So calm down people, logic, observation and just plain dumb luck are part of the game.

Like Bard, I'm just sort of hanging back for now and making observations.

[Sifright]

Sifright bro, calm down a little, would you? Overreacting to a one word post, are you not?

I don't know why every one seems to think i'm like a frothing at the mouth rabid angry man, I mean I just use invectives to describe stuff it's not because i'm angry or anything just a force of habit.

[IHateMakingNames]

I've got a Mayor role. I've determined that I can win this game right here.

Everyone role claim. We'll go in order, top to bottom of the list of players. If you refuse, then refuse again, you're scum and I'm killing you.

Sifright you're first. (Edited in) You can wait a bit since you are first and if people really want to object and prove they are scum, go ahead and let them. (Edit 2) I don't even need roles. Just give me your character.

1: Siffy
2: Bookworm
3: Greed
4: Ravashak
5: Moogle0119
6: Hawk - Nevron, Dead
7: Aldurin
8: Karesh - Artemis Entreri, Dead
9: Ryanderman (Withdrawn)
10: Inbred Chocobo
11: Gregness
12: Fenris
13: Kerensky287 - Adon, dead
14: IHateMakingNames
15: Geminex
16: Red Mage Black
17: BahamutFlare
18: TDK - Qilue, dead
19: Dracorion
20: Bard the 5th LW

[Gregness]

This isn't exactly an objection, but since we got role names last night for the Vig and the bodyguard, doesn't this expose them?

[IHateMakingNames]

Yes, but if we know who is scum as well that doesn't matter. There's likely more than one bodyguard and vig anyway, based on the number of night kills.

[Red Mage Black]

IHMN, are you serious? So you're going to pull a role claim and try to expose everyone else? That doesn't make for a very productive or interesting game, dude. If everyone knew everyone else's roles, the game would be over by day 3. As far as I can tell, you're loopholing the 'can't reveal anyone's name/role' by making everyone do it themselves and doing it in a pretty heavy handed way. I can't see how this demand is reasonable at all and like Kerensky, it sounds like a pretty ridiculous claim.

[IHateMakingNames]

It's a strong arm tactic. There's clearly a lot of power roles, and I'm pretty sure the mafia is buff as hell in this game. However, I'm betting on them not having any day powers that can stop this. I figure the risk vs reward for this plan is heavily in favor of reward. Obviously it's not reasonable, because I'm bullying everyone to reveal. Unlike Kerensky, I'm not a lunatic.

I figure 24 hours per person is a reasonable amount of time to respond before Mayoring them.

Edit - But now I'll feel guilty if this is effective. Though it's still in effect.

Edit 2 - I mean, you could all convince Sifright to refuse to reveal and end my nefarious plot. But I'm pretty sure this is a winning strategy.

[Red Mage Black]

You're kind of flagging as crazy to me, but I'll hold those thoughts and play along. However, before I answer, I have a curiosity. What will prevent Sifright from giving you a fake name and setting your crosshairs elsewhere? This is just my opinion, but demanding names and roles does sound pretty ineffective.

[Gregness]

Simple: if it's just a flavor claim (that is, no roles are revealed except for those outed by the night post) then a townie has no reason at all to lie.

In addition, according to the wiki mass claiming is an effective breaking strategy for poorly made theme games. "In some themed games, the identities of the scum can become apparent either through analysis of the flavor (especially if the scum have no or weak safeclaims) or through a broken role combination." (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Mass_Roleclaim)

So, yeah, I guess we can see where this leads. Though it sort of depends on this being a poorly made game. If scum has a safe list, then what?

[IHateMakingNames]

Combination of counter-claims, suspicions, and what gets claimed. Plus we get it all out now, for later claims and night kill/lynch verification.

[Red Mage Black]

So, if I have this correct, your goal is not to find out whose role is actually whose, but find the most suspicious claims. This is the most earnest claim of a shot in the dark that I think I've ever seen. Bravo on that one, IHMN.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I've got a Mayor role. I've determined that I can win this game right here.

Everyone role claim. We'll go in order, top to bottom of the list of players. If you refuse, then refuse again, you're scum and I'm killing you.

Its easy enough to claim a role, someone's already done that. What character are you? Give me the name and then I'll check it and see about trusting your claim.

e: Like, a mass roleclaim helps Town target, sure, but it leaves a nice and jusicy list for scum as well.

[Nikose Tyris]

In his dark tower, Lauzoril laughed. "IHMN, I command you to use your powerful technique on Red Mage Black!" He cackled, hurling arcane ingredients onto his scrying pool.

Nothing happened, mind you. Storm Silverhand has potent protection magic at hand, and does not leave her chosen ward so easily.

[Tomorrow is Surgery Preperation for me, Wednesday actual Surgery, and I don't know when I'll be back in here- probably Thursday at earliest, to be frank.]

[Moogle0119]

Hmm.....IHMN so you were bluffing about having any ability during the day huh?

[IHateMakingNames]

Nikose, was that actually something?

And since I'm the guy with the lynching power I'm going to skip my claiming turn, or doing it right now. You can call the bluff if you want. If some one wants to take the mayor shot be my guest.

[Nikose Tyris]

That was an example of a wasted power.

KareshWithAMoustache is in, replacing Ryanderman, as Ryanderman requested.

KareshWithAMoustache is not Karesh and should not be mistaken with him.

[Nikose Tyris]

PS going to bed now. Will check in on the game at like 9 AM EST, so uh

Don't expect anything to happen if one of you busts out one of your stupid powers till then

[IHateMakingNames]

Damn, mafia did have a power to fuck me. But it failed. I slightly believe Ravashak about not knowing why he wasn't targeted.

So, still on Sifright to claim.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Since quite obviously the power used was a Mafia one (What with being in red and all), I think it's safe to say whomever did it doesn't want the Mayor sticking around much longer.
Our Bodyguard is a very powerful one to be sure. This was a best case scenario, confirming that mafia does in fact have multiple kill options, even during the day, without a loss.

[Dracorion]

I don't think the guy who misdirected Fenris' kill is the one who tried to control you. After all, if they're mafia, why redirect their boss' kill?

In any case, don't take this as an admission of scummyness, but I'd also like to point out, IHMN, that this is the stupidest goddamn thing.

I gotta ask, though, IHMN? Do you expect to get this done before Storm Silverhand gets dead? Or his/her bodyguard gets dead?

[IHateMakingNames]

I was under the impression this would get done on Day 2, or when ever some one refuses to role call. If there will be a Day deadline then we'll go as far as we can then start next day.

[BahamutFlare]

So I think Red Mage Black is town or self. This is interesting. And apparently mafia has a mind control thing. Hopefully it was one shot and is now wasted.

I'm up for seeing how all this turns out. I'd say IHMN is kinda confirmed as Town and therefore I believe him as mayor. Unless self-aligned would have a mayor, but that sounds really weird. so I'll stick with town.

[BahamutFlare]

I don't think the guy who misdirected Fenris' kill is the one who tried to control you. After all, if they're mafia, why redirect their boss' kill?

In any case, don't take this as an admission of scummyness, but I'd also like to point out, IHMN, that this is the stupidest goddamn thing.

I gotta ask, though, IHMN? Do you expect to get this done before Storm Silverhand gets dead? Or his/her bodyguard gets dead?

FENRIS HAD A KILL MISDIRECTED?

Was that a big whoops on your end or what? How the heck do you know that?

I think we found 2 mafia right now. Fenris and Dracorion.

[Gregness]

FENRIS HAD A KILL MISDIRECTED?

Was that a big whoops on your end or what? How the heck do you know that?

I think we found 2 mafia right now. Fenris and Dracorion.

I think he's talking about the part I'm bolding below.

*shortened to take up less space*

Szass Tam, Lord of the Red Wizards, set his hateful gaze upon Ravashak, his intentions clear- Murder. Carefully aimed his vampiric touch and grasped at the life force flowing freely from him. He wondered momentarily why Lallara was waving her hands in futility, attempting to stop or distract him from his target, as he gripped Hawk, Nevron, Red wizard, Mafia Aligned, by the throat, and sucked his soul dry.

He then realized that Hawk was, by definition, NOT Ravashak, and became quite cross.

*shortened to take up less space*

Sounds like misdirection to me. In fact, a couple people mentioned it offhand after that post.

[IHateMakingNames]

Gregness, you missed his big point.

Drac specifically said Fenris. The player. As the killer.

But let us let them get to their claiming time.

[Gregness]

Gregness, you missed his big point.

Drac specifically said Fenris. The player. As the killer.

But let us let them get to their claiming time.

Oh shit, yeah I missed that. That's pretty damning.

[IHateMakingNames]

I have changed my mind. Fuck systematic. That was just silly.

Drac, role claim.

Fenris, you go after him.

24 hours and then I just Mayor it up. But I don't think it will even come to that if people just vote.

[Dracorion]

Ah, balls.

Yeah, that kinda slipped out. But you know, IHMN, I would've roleclaimed now even if you hadn't told me to.

So, I guess nothing left to do but Roleclaim: Mirt the Moneylender, Harper, town-aligned, redirecting power.

I took a shot in the dark during N1. I figured Fenris had some kinda power for the low profile he was keeping, so I picked him and had him use his whatever on Hawk. So yes, Fenris is Szass Tam, Lord of the Red Wizards. It was lucky enough he turned out to have a kill power and that Hawk turned out to be mafia.

I laughed. So hard. You would not believe.

Oh, and Feeny? Neener neener.

[Fenris]

Ah, balls.

Yeah, that kinda slipped out. But you know, IHMN, I would've roleclaimed now even if you hadn't told me to.

So, I guess nothing left to do but Roleclaim: Mirt the Moneylender, Harper, town-aligned, redirecting power.

I took a shot in the dark during N1. I figured Fenris had some kinda power for the low profile he was keeping, so I picked him and had him use his whatever on Hawk. So yes, Fenris is Szass Tam, Lord of the Red Wizards. It was lucky enough he turned out to have a kill power and that Hawk turned out to be mafia.

I laughed. So hard. You would not believe.

Oh, and Feeny? Neener neener.
That's funny. I'm Jan Jansen, illusionist. I can switch myself with anybody each night, and I swapped with Ryanderman, now KareshWithAMoustache.

So, you were saying?

[Dracorion]

I call shenanigans.

Okay no seriously, you just made my day.

[Dracorion]

Like, no, really. If we're both telling the truth, that means I used a redirecting power on you, who used your swap power on Ryander. And in the same night, possibly unrelatedly, someone used some kinda redirecting power on Karesh to make him kill TDK.

This is just so deliciously messed up, it's great.

That being said, it's hard to say whose power has priority here. If mine had priority, I would've made you, Fenris, the one I targetted, use your power on Hawk. Which would've caused you to swap with Hawk.

But if yours has priority, then I would've used my powers on Ryander instead of you, and made Ryander target Hawk.

[IHateMakingNames]

All right. So let's start that claim list again.

From the bottom up now. So Bard, then Bahamut, then Red Mage.

1: Siffy
2: Bookworm
3: Greed
4: Ravashak
5: Moogle0119
6: Hawk - Nevron, Dead
7: Aldurin
8: Karesh - Artemis Entreri, Dead
9: Ryanderman
10: Inbred Chocobo
11: Gregness
12: Fenris: Jan Jansen, illusionist
13: Kerensky287 - Adon, dead
14: IHateMakingNames
15: Geminex
16: Red Mage Black
17: BahamutFlare
18: TDK - Qilue, dead
19: Dracorion: Mirt the Moneylender, Harper, town-aligned, redirecting power
20: Bard the 5th LW

[Dracorion]

Incidentally, at what point exactly do we stop believing coincidences?

Because me making Fenris target Hawk and having it turn out Fenris was the mafia boss with a night kill power and Hawk was a mafiate? Kind of a stretch.

And yet, someone using a redirecting power on Szass Tam and targetting him at Hawk is the bare minimum required events for that exchange could've happened. Perhaps with a vague redirecting power that isn't quite so freely targettable.

Me, targetting Fenris at Hawk, except Fenris swapped with Ryander who happened to be the mafia boss with a night kill power while Hawk was a mafiate? An even further stretch.

[Aldurin]

That's funny. I'm Jan Jansen, illusionist. I can switch myself with anybody each night, and I swapped with Ryanderman, now KareshWithAMoustache.

So, you were saying?

So you're accusing Karesh of being mafia? I'm just making sure since it's kinda unclear and indirect.

[BahamutFlare]

Elminster, Town-Aligned

I'm with Aldurin. I'm a bit confused by what you said Fenris. Is Moustache mafia then?

[Ravashak]

I'm just going to jump the line and claim. I'm Drizzt Do'urden, Town Aligned. At the start of the day I can choose one of several powers, on day 1 I took vigilante, and as I've said before, I targetted Hawk.

[Nikose Tyris]

Checking in on the game, like I said I would.

Everything seems to be in order here.

[IHateMakingNames]

Stop jumping the gun on claims. I didn't even want Ravashak to role claim (Or Moogle and Red Mage) since we basically know they aren't mafia.

Drac and Fenris are both mafia. Stop bothering with them.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

That's funny. I'm Jan Jansen, illusionist. I can switch myself with anybody each night, and I swapped with Ryanderman, now KareshWithAMoustache.

So, you were saying?

Oh Fenris, this is just plain delicious and you're going to find out why in the worst ways possible.
In my mind this 100% confirms you as mafia. I'm town in the first place, don't have a killing role to boot. So this is just plain impossible for so many reasons.
Vote: Fenris

[Fenris]

Stop jumping the gun on claims. I didn't even want Ravashak to role claim (Or Moogle and Red Mage) since we basically know they aren't mafia.

Drac and Fenris are both mafia. Stop bothering with them.

I disagree with this assessment.

Maybe he is, I dunno. Given the nature of all of the switching around that happened last night, I have no idea who is incriminated by anything. I wouldn't even go so far as to say Karesh is mafia because I don't know if I was switched with him or with Hawk.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Too many people have claimed that they have the ability to replicate any power. I seriously feel like one of you is lying, and it was obvious in the night post that the misdirect target was the head honcho of the mafia, so

Vote: Fenris

[Sifright]

I'm roleclaiming but just an FYI I think this is a terrible mistake, I fear there are quite a few self-aligned players and I also worry that other players have powers that last into the day as shown by the mafia hit on IHMN so revealing all the powers is a big mistake. Given the current situation and what has been revealed I think that this plan will hurt and damage town because of other players ability to use the info granted with this plan, that said I've no particular interest in being killed just because I think this plan is a mistake.

I am Surrolph Hlakken, Town Aligned. As a member of the Red Sashes I have two one shots powers, the first I have already used which was vig attack on Hawk, which is why I believe Ravashaks claim and lastly I have a single one shot use of PO.

[IHateMakingNames]

Guys, come on, Mayor. Making me feel all useless and full of hot air. Let's stick with making everyone claim (In order) to find out mafia people. Two claims just made Fenris really likely. Also Drac.

So Bard, end of the day today till I Mayor your ass.


Dammit. Stop going out of order. I don't even want powers unless it's proof of mafia. You're all getting confused because Drac and Fenris claimed powers because of a weird slip of the tongue.

And maybe I shouldn't have switched from top-to-bottom to bottom-to-top.

Edit - And Sifright is probably mafia. Use a one-shot vig kill on Night 1? And flavor text shows only mafia leader killing Hawk via misdirect. And I don't think three people targeted Hawk in one night. Ravashak gets away with it because he was still included in the flavor text (Though with forum name) and he was the target of the mafia so he's not mafia.

Edit - Sifright could be self-aligned as well.

[Sifright]

Edit - And Sifright is probably mafia. Use a one-shot vig kill on Night 1? And flavor text shows only mafia leader killing Hawk via misdirect. And I don't think three people targeted Hawk in one night. Ravashak gets away with it because he was still included in the flavor text (Though with forum name) and he was the target of the mafia so he's not mafia.

Edit - Sifright could be self-aligned as well.

Simple answer, I've survived through every game so far except homestuck, It's not great reasoning but I simply didn't believe I would survive through the first or second night. I guess I shouldn't have really thought that given every one seems to think i'm a shit player and likely to make mistakes though. Logically the optimal choice for me should have been to use PO power on a player I thought was giving no tells and then kill them the next day if they were scum as I said before I didn't think I would survive passed the first or second night. I obviously have no way to prove myself given your assertions with out a PO investigating me and proving me innocent or some one else giving proof invalidating your theory, considering my self and ravashak targeted Hawk and dracorion also states he targeted hawk via role redirect I know at least three people aimed at hawk I guess I have to hope some one else claims to have targeted him as well. I can't give more than that.

Vote:Fenris

Reason for voting I think Dracorion could be town or mafia but Fenris has to be mafia given that slip and the way it happened.

[Fenris]

Vote:Fenris

Reason for voting I think Dracorion could be town or mafia but Fenris has to be mafia given that slip and the way it happened.

Explain to me why I "have to be mafia". Saying that I "have to be mafia" doesn't make it so. Walk me through, step by step, your reasoning.

[Sifright]

Explain to me why I "have to be mafia". Saying that I "have to be mafia" doesn't make it so. Walk me through, step by step, your reasoning.

Firstly, Dracorion slipped and explicitly outed you as the one who killed hawk. This lead me to believe he was a potential mafiate, but that he could have been the one responsible for the redirect and slipped because he wasn't careful with his post. He then roleclaimed when he realized he slipped, I'm not fond of his specific flavor as mirt doesn't sound like the kind of person that would have a redirect role but the redirect fits perfectly with what we know to have happened during the night.

"I don't think the guy who misdirected Fenris' kill is the one who tried to control you. After all, if they're mafia, why redirect their boss' kill?"

quote above from dracorion that outed himself as either the redirector or mafia and i leaned towards redirector based on that. Also your roleclaim fenris just happens to have replaced yourself with some one else the reason I don't believe it is because you roleclaimed after him with an almost tailor made roleclaim to defend your self, it's not that the role isn't possible just that it's highly unlikely set of events to have taken place.

[Fenris]

This whole game is all about highly unlikely events happening.

It's what Nikose does.

[Sifright]

This whole game is all about highly unlikely events happening.

It's what Nikose does.

Also all of your posts are low content low activity, like every other time you have been mafia. I recommend every one to do a check for that go forum games thread list. Under the posts column click the post number listed for this thread and read the list of players and post numbers beside them, to see all of the posts a player has made concurrently click the number of posts beside them. Fenris has made nothing but low content posts and hasnt been very active.

[Nikose Tyris]

Because I did slip up and tell a couple people already, in an effort to be fair:

There were 4 people that selected Hawk as a power target the night he died.

[IHateMakingNames]

The fuck Hawk? Why does everyone hate you?

Also still Bard's turn to claim a character. Then Geminex (Cause we can skip Red Mage Black since he isn't mafia) then Gregness.

[Dracorion]

Sadly, IHMN, dead men tell no tales.

In my case, it's because even I thought Hawk was suspicious from the whole Kerensky thing.

Also, I guess I should've done this before. Vote: Fenris.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

The fuck Hawk? Why does everyone hate you?

I ask myself that every day:(

In the meantime, fuck you all!

[Dracorion]

Goddammit Hawk.

[BahamutFlare]

I'm waiting for the people to claim before I vote. However, I just am not believing Fenris.

Super FoS: Fenris

[Red Mage Black]

Wait, I thought a role claim was expected of me. Is it still expected? All I remember was your post from last night asking for Bard, Bahamut and I to claim and looking at the other posts, it looks like you changed your mind.

[IHateMakingNames]

I didn't think that through at the time. In hind sight, you really don't need to claim since mafia tried to make me mayor you. Unless your claim will give us some good information.

I'm pretty sure town has way more powers than scum at this point.

[Geminex]

Okay, fuck. It's 5 to 10 here in Germany. I'll try to take some time for this tomorrow. Today was just hectic as fuck.

1: I'd challenge Drac's roleclaim on principle, but, and I never thought I'd say this, for once, I don't think he's full of shit. It wouldn't make sense for scum to make that absurd a claim to implicate some random town member, unless they know something we don't. And I don't think that's the case, so I'm gonna assume drac is genuine. And I'm gonna assume Fen is lying, because a redirecter redirecting a redirect is just excessively convoluted.

So:
Vote: Fenris

2: I'm honestly not sure how beneficial the "Everyone claim" strategy is, but okay. IHMN seems to know what he's doing so... let's wait and see, I guess? I'll claim after bard.

3: This game is weird. I just wanted to have said that.

Good night everyone!

[Dracorion]

Towni probably has more powers than scum because I'm pretty sure everybody and their mothers has a power in this game.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Since it seems I have little choice on this, I may as well come out. I am Ophala Cheldarstorn, Town Aligned,. And since I am already outing myself, I am the Watcher.
I kinda wanted to wait until D3 before I came forward, but I may as well give my results from last night. I set my sights upon Aldurin that night, and I gathered that he used his night action to slay Karesh, our SK. That might seem good on its own, but the flavor says that Manshoon killed Karesh, and Manshoon is apparently evil aligned if I read that wiki right.
The Zhentarim are a mercenary company who, over their 200 years of existence, have experienced several leaps and bounds in terms of successes, but also several major defeats. They are a shadow of their former glory, but still an organization of great power and influence.
This, added to Manshoon being their lawful evil leader, I'm going to say that Aldurin is scum. My power didn't give me the alignment directly, but I'd say its a likely inference. Seeing as how he's the leader of a mercenary comapany, he might have some scum lackeys as well.

[IHateMakingNames]

Guys, I get it. Fenris is mafia. We can lynch him later. Let's get all these roles out. As Drac mentioned, town has more powers we just don't know it.

Geminex, role claim or get mayored.

Red Mage, I believe you are townie so unless you want to reveal your turn is skipped.

1: Siffy: Surrolph Hlakken, Town Aligned
2: Bookworm
3: Greed
4: Ravashak: Drizzt Do'urden, Town Aligned
5: Moogle0119
6: Hawk - Nevron, Dead
7: Aldurin
8: Karesh - Artemis Entreri, Dead
9: KareshWithAMustache
10: Inbred Chocobo
11: Gregness
12: Fenris: Jan Jansen, illusionist
13: Kerensky287 - Adon, dead
14: IHateMakingNames: The Mayor of Bullying
15: Geminex
16: Red Mage Black: Townie
17: BahamutFlare: Elminster, Town-Aligned
18: TDK - Qilue, dead
19: Dracorion: Mirt the Moneylender, Harper, town-aligned, redirecting power
20: Bard the 5th LW: Ophala Cheldarstorn, Town Aligned

[Dracorion]

I think you'll have to wait a while for Geminex. He probably won't be on again until, like, the timestamp of his last post, except tomorrow.

[IHateMakingNames]

Actually, nevermind, I have enough and I'm kind of tired of this plan.

Vote: Fenris
He's probably mafia and you are all already voting for him.

FoS: Bard He is Mafia, 100%. Lynch him tomorrow.

Night role people, preferably just use your PO powers instead of vig (Assuming you have both).

I feel like we can put this all together on Day 3.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I'd give an argument in my defense, but I don't think it really matters at this point. Even if I manage to stem off suspicion from any other townies, IHMN is just going to day lynch me. Feels kinda pointless to try.

All I can say is that when you are through lynching Fenris and me (barring me getting nightkilled) is that you lynch Aldurin. I legitimately believe that Aldurin is a target you should go after.