Mafia Time!

[Moogle0119]

Well this is a no brainer

Vote: Bookie

[Kerensky287]

Vote: Mr Bookworm

Any other roleclaims? I'm still kinda tempted just to nightkill Nikose on the off chance it's an elaborate dickhole ploy of his. But he probably knows that already.

[Revising Ocelot]

The day pretty much just started RPG.

Snail, 1 shot PO, Town

Investigated Mr. Bookworm as Fight King, Abductor. Wanted to see if Bookworm would implicate anyone before saying so, but that would probably explain his inactivity. And him posting once every day doesn't seem like it's gonna change.

Vote: Bookworm

Bahahaha. I was waiting for you to post.

I'm Jake the Dog, Town Roleblocker. Using my extra stretchy limbs, I can entangle up one person every night and stop them from performing any actions.

I was honestly hoping you'd claim to be Jake and a PO, but this works too.
How do I know you're bullshitting? Because I chose to roleblock you last night.

Vote: BahamutFlare

[BahamutFlare]

N0 I got to choose. I didn't send in a night action.

[BahamutFlare]

on N1 I didn't send a night action. to clarify.

[Revising Ocelot]

Investigating before you even form any suspicions with an one-shot power? Illogical.

Distinct lack of other Night 0 actions, like the last time I saw somebody who claimed to do a Night 0 action and was lying out of their back teeth? Yep.


Why do I get the feeling you're trying to save yourself by sacrificing Bookie? He could well be Scum as well.

[BahamutFlare]

Because I had to? When I was told you can investigate someone N0 and it was one-shot, I didn't think that meant, 'You could hold off if you want.'

[greed]

Yeah this makes more sense. If the mafia had two removal powers they would have used them last night with Kerensky and LN revealed as town powers.


Vote:BahamutFlare

Edit: Also one of my powers to grant is a one off investigation. Bahamut having one as well is VERY unlikely.

[Revising Ocelot]

I recommend that we lynch BahamutFlare today, and Kerensky should target Bookie tonight if Bookie doesn't come up with some indisputable defense. If I was lying and Bahamut was town, you wouldn't be losing a power role anyway.

[Kerensky287]

Unvote: Bookie

Vote: BahamutFlare

[Lawful Neutral]

Vote: BahamutFlare

[Nikose Tyris]

VOTE: BAHAMUTFLARE

BLATANT EDIT: wait shit already did that.

[Gregness]

Unvote: Mr. Bookworm

Vote: Bahamut Flare

Though, I should note that I don't think Jake as a roleblocker quite fits the flavor, but we'll see where this goes.

[Revising Ocelot]

Unvote: Mr. Bookworm

Vote: Bahamut Flare

Though, I should note that I don't think Jake as a roleblocker quite fits the flavor, but we'll see where this goes.

Yeah, when Kerensky was saying that Jake would fit a PO role, I was hoping someone would step out to be the PO and call themselves Jake, hence my earlier post. I was pretty sure that Kerensky was Town on Night1, and I agreed with his suspicions of BF so I chose to roleblock him. In fact, that's possibly why there wasn't a Mafia kill last night, regardless of any doctor intervention. I still think the real PO (assuming there's one) shouldn't out himself before tomorrow, but I was pretty much aiming for one to fakeclaim after Kerensky's comment. I was OK with outing myself today or tomorrow, as the Scum have higher priority targets than the roleblocker.

[BahamutFlare]

Aww I wanted to be culted before I died too.

[Kerensky287]

....Is that an admission of mafia alignment?

[BahamutFlare]

Kerensky, are you still unable to get a read on me the entire game? I'm guessing this is why the FoS rather than the voting for you bc of your excessive joking.

[Kerensky287]

Kerensky, are you still unable to get a read on me the entire game?

It was more that I wanted to see if you were outing yourself as mafia so that we could publically discuss our second target for the night before the lynch. If you kept up the ruse about being town, we would've had to take you out before we saw your alignment, and make our own decisions from there. Since you've so kindly revealed yourself, we can hold off on this and try to make the most of the remainder of Day 2.

I'm also new to mafia, and I haven't really gotten the hang of figuring out when someone is scummy or not; I've made it clear on multiple occasions that I suspected you, but I wasn't certain that the signs I was seeing were mafia tells or what.

I'm guessing this is why the FoS rather than the voting for you bc of your excessive joking.

I cannot for the life of me figure out what the fuck you're trying to say here.

[Nikose Tyris]

He's callin' you a jerk! YOU GONNA STAND FOR THAT, KERENSKY?!

[Nikose Tyris]

Also, 1 more to lynch BF.

[Gregness]

In that case:

Unvote: Bahamut Flare

Since we're gonna lynch him anyway, no sense in depriving ourselves of some discussion like Kerensky said.

[Kerensky287]

Anyway, now that that's dealt with, I recommend that we just leave Bahamut with his current votecount and let him die by majority vote. Until the day ends, I want to talk about our other suspects to make sure I'm as likely as possible to actually hit a mafiate overnight. We don't want Geminex to have died in vain!

Player list w/ roles claimed:

1. Ocelot, Jake the Roleblocking Dog <Confirmed by BahamutFlare
2. RPGdemon, 2/3man mason <confirmed by Aldurin and vice versa
3. Me, vig <confirmed by me
5. Bookworm, unknown but likely town-aligned <Confirmed by BahamutFlare's accusation
6. Moogle, might be town-aligned because of who voted for him but we have little evidence
8. Aldurin, 2/3man mason <confirmed by RPG and vice versa
9. Gregness, claimed town-aligned but unconfirmed
10. Greed, powergiver <confirmed by Lawful Neutral
12. Lawful, Princess Twovote <confirmed empirically
13. Nikose, Duke of Nutsack <confirmed by his lynch on Inbred
14. Ryanderman, silent

Which means our suspects are Moogle, Gregness and Ryanderman.

Moogle has been mostly inactive, but I feel positive about him because Inbred voted for him early on. I don't know if that's GREAT evidence, but I think we should shy away from him for now. If we have a PO, I'd like to see him investigated if he doesn't roleclaim something serious.

I'll be honest, I don't trust Gregness's roleclaim at all. He didn't say what his role did, which makes zero sense, and... I dunno, I just don't get a good feeling off his posts.

Ryanderman has been under a lot of suspicion already and has yet to really assert his position at all. Most of the fire on him seems to be coming from the fact that the change in player count puts him in a good spot to maaaybe be another mafiate, which I don't put a lot of stock into, but I do think he's more likely than Moogle to be scum.

So:

FoS: Gregness, whom I plan to take out overnight unless the situation changes, and
FoS: Ryanderman, whom I think we should lynch if Gregness' death doesn't end the game.

[Kerensky287]

Whoa ninja. Okay, the unlynch vote on Gregness actually takes a LOT of my mental heat off of him. It's in the mafia's best interests not to let us talk, and Gregness just took away BahamutFlare's ability to suicide.

It might have been a misstep on the mafia's part, but if so, I've totally fallen for it.

Tentative UnFoS: Gregness. He's worth investigating, though.

[Gregness]

Anyway, now that that's dealt with, I recommend that we just leave Bahamut with his current votecount and let him die by majority vote. Until the day ends, I want to talk about our other suspects to make sure I'm as likely as possible to actually hit a mafiate overnight. We don't want Geminex to have died in vain!

Player list w/ roles claimed:

1. Ocelot, Jake the Roleblocking Dog <Confirmed by BahamutFlare
2. RPGdemon, 2/3man mason <confirmed by Aldurin and vice versa
3. Me, vig <confirmed by me
5. Bookworm, unknown but likely town-aligned <Confirmed by BahamutFlare's accusation
6. Moogle, might be town-aligned because of who voted for him but we have little evidence
8. Aldurin, 2/3man mason <confirmed by RPG and vice versa
9. Gregness, claimed town-aligned but unconfirmed
10. Greed, powergiver <confirmed by Lawful Neutral
12. Lawful, Princess Twovote <confirmed empirically
13. Nikose, Duke of Nutsack <confirmed by his lynch on Inbred
14. Ryanderman, silent

Which means our suspects are Moogle, Gregness and Ryanderman.

Moogle has been mostly inactive, but I feel positive about him because Inbred voted for him early on. I don't know if that's GREAT evidence, but I think we should shy away from him for now. If we have a PO, I'd like to see him investigated if he doesn't roleclaim something serious.

I'll be honest, I don't trust Gregness's roleclaim at all. He didn't say what his role did, which makes zero sense, and... I dunno, I just don't get a good feeling off his posts.

Ryanderman has been under a lot of suspicion already and has yet to really assert his position at all. Most of the fire on him seems to be coming from the fact that the change in player count puts him in a good spot to maaaybe be another mafiate, which I don't put a lot of stock into, but I do think he's more likely than Moogle to be scum.

So:

FoS: Gregness, whom I plan to take out overnight unless the situation changes, and
FoS: Ryanderman, whom I think we should lynch if Gregness' death doesn't end the game.

A small note about your list there: Just because Book was accused by Bahamut doesn't necessarily make him town. If you'll remember last game, we in the Black Network threw you under the bus pretty quickly once we thought we could get away with it. The same goes for Nikose too, but to a lesser degree (I, for one, believe him but it's not logically foolproof).

As for my roleclaim the reason I didn't say what it did is because I figured it'd sound scummy if I explained it right then. As I said, I'm Tree Trunks. I'm a vanilla except that the first lynch attempt on me automatically fails. I feel fine saying that now, but I figured if I said "Oh by the way guys you can't lynch me lol" when I was under suspicion then that would look worse than holding off on it a bit.

With IC down, and Bahamut likely being another mafiate we'd have to be retarded to lose at this point I think. So, I guess you can shoot me tonight if you like, but you're just wasting a bullet.

[Revising Ocelot]

...is it just me or is this game hilariously skewed towards town?

Oh, and my money's on Bookie and/or Moogle being scum. If Ryander was scum, that'd mean Mafia would be 4 members as I doubt the game would have started with just 2 members. Although if there's no SK or anything... there could well be 4. Eh.

[Gregness]

I think this just needs to be a general lesson to mafia game organizers to create a list of characters that are safe for scum to claim. This makes two games in a row now where mass roleclaims broke the game almost in half. The only reason town didn't win Forgotten realms is that the roleclaims stopped before they got too far. If they'd gone through everyone the game would've gone much different I think.

[Moogle0119]

Unvote: Bookie

[Nikose Tyris]

there really is no good reason to trust me and to some extent we're dumb for doing it- It's a fucking brilliant strategy to murder a scummate immediately, and make yourself look good. I'm saying I'm town, -because I am town- but that I agree, y'all shouldn't trust my roleclaim.

also, Finger of fuckin' death at greg and book still, just because. :/ They're my most untrusted group. [also didn't ryanderman make #16 aka reasonable mafioso #4?]

[Nikose Tyris]

^also moogle what the shit.

[Nikose Tyris]

Got confused. nevermind.

[Kerensky287]

A small note about your list there: Just because Book was accused by Bahamut doesn't necessarily make him town. If you'll remember last game, we in the Black Network threw you under the bus pretty quickly once we thought we could get away with it.

That's a good point, but in the other game, you threw me under a bus because I was actively trying to get your don lynched. The mafia is so tiny in this game that it just doesn't make sense to reduce their own numbers just on the off chance that it'll throw off suspicion.

I agree however that Bookie is not cleared. I take back my yellow text on him.

The same goes for Nikose too, but to a lesser degree (I, for one, believe him but it's not logically foolproof).

I still suspect Nikose - that miller claim seemed too simple to me. He was incredibly helpful when it came to lynching Inbred, but... ehhh, I dunno. It just seems like that's exactly the kind of plan he'd come up with.

He's pretty low-threat right now though so I still want to deal with the higher priority targets.

As for my roleclaim the reason I didn't say what it did is because I figured it'd sound scummy if I explained it right then. As I said, I'm Tree Trunks. I'm a vanilla except that the first lynch attempt on me automatically fails. I feel fine saying that now, but I figured if I said "Oh by the way guys you can't lynch me lol" when I was under suspicion then that would look worse than holding off on it a bit.

Oh! That's easily testable.

Everybody vote Gregness, I'll kill BahamutFlare overnight.

Unless, of course, an incoming roleclaim makes someone else a strong mafia suspect. Two birds with one stone is better than just confirming one townie.

...Now that I think about it, though... a failed first lynch doesn't confirm him as town. Mafiates seem to have powers in this game too. He might just be hard-to-kill scum.

Eh. Whatever. Still waiting on Moogle, Bookie and Ryanderman's roleclaims.

[Gregness]

Well, if that's the plan you wanna go for then you may as well leave Bahamut for tomorrow's lynch and use your vig kill to stir up some more information tonight.

I mean, on the one hand lynching me is like 90% of a no-lynch but we're far enough ahead that I guess it doesn't matter too much.

Of course, there could be something ridiculous like a cult or a larger-than-we-thought mafia lurking around and we might not be nearly as well off as we think. However, we haven't seen any evidence of that so I think we're pretty safe in saying there's one, maybe two mafiates left.

[Bard The 5th LW]

BahamutFlare has five votes by my count, don't care enough right now to make an actual tally. Takes 7 to lynch. Day'll likely end Monday at 12:00 pm.

[Inbred Chocobo]

...is it just me or is this game hilariously skewed towards town?

This. Right here.

[Bard The 5th LW]

This. Right here.

This is prime use of a deathpost.

[Moogle0119]

I am The Cosmic Owl, Mysterious Watcher. We're not allowed to quote the PMs directly but insert some flavor text here about being a spiritual entity who follows people in their dreams. My powers are once every night I can choose to follow someone and see who they interacted with and nothing else. Unfortunately.....I chose Gem last night so I have absolutely no way to prove this claim (I was still unsure of Kerensky's claim at the time).

[Gregness]

This is prime use of a deathpost.

Except he's not dead.

[Moogle0119]

Edit: Before anyone starts crying yes I'm town aligned, sorry I forgot to put it in the above post.

[Kerensky287]

Except he's not dead.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/Kerensky287/reaction%20shots/day9-what_o_GIFSoupcom.gif

[Nikose Tyris]

Inbred is so dead.

[Kerensky287]

Inbred got lynched day 1. So unless you know something we don't...?

[Gregness]

Deeeerrrrp! I thought that was Bahamut for some reason. =8^(

[Moogle0119]

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/Kerensky287/reaction%20shots/day9-what_o_GIFSoupcom.gif

There should be a rule about using the same gif twice in one thread.

[Kerensky287]

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[Bard The 5th LW]

Daykill: Kerensky

[Nikose Tyris]

REDIRECT: NIKOSE

EDIT: [in response to the daykill. :P]

[Kerensky287]

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/Kerensky287/reaction%20shots/sephystrut.gif

[Moogle0119]

Now that's just plain rude, do you know how hard it is to post on this phone to begin with? Let alone when the screen is stretched now?

[Gregness]

When the hell did we go back to day 1?

[Nikose Tyris]

time travel fucks shit up again.

[Revising Ocelot]

DAWN OF THE FIRST DAY


-72 Hours Remaining-

[Kerensky287]

Reality itself has counterclaimed Moogle. He is, in fact, a mafia-aligned Time Traveller.

[Moogle0119]

Reality lies

[Kerensky287]

Vote: Reality

[Lawful Neutral]

FOS: Marty McFly

[Kerensky287]

okay but seriously guys we're on day 2 that's enough back to the zelda: derail of time

Bookworm, Gregness, Moogle, Ryanderman. Opinions?

[Moogle0119]

I already roleclaimed. Either talk about how truthful/suspect my claim is or ask others to roleclaim.

[BahamutFlare]

Unvote
Vote: BahamutFlare

[Moogle0119]

Nice try, there's still one needed to lynch according to Bard.

[Revising Ocelot]

Bookworm - Scum
Gregness - Town
Moogle - Shrug
Ryanderman - Shrug leaning towards Town

[Kerensky287]

Herrrrrrp. Sorry Moogle.

I believe him, for the record. I don't really know how we can test it, but whatever.

[Nikose Tyris]

*Flip*
the coin has chosen!

THE COIN DEMANDS BLOOD!

Vig, use your ultra-super-powers on Gregness tonight, UNLESS BF flips Town somehow. If he does, Get Bookworm.

[Nikose Tyris]

Also, we have found Finn [Kerensky] and Princess Bubblegum [LN].

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwdk6kurRM1ql1nb3.gif

[Revising Ocelot]

Vig, use your ultra-super-powers on Gregness tonight, UNLESS BF flips Town somehow. If he does, Get Bookworm.

...I thought we'd already established that Bahamut was trying to make himself look innocent by sacrificing Bookie. Meh.

He's not exactly protesting. Or saying anything, for that matter.

[Kerensky287]

I don't think he's around.

Also, ordering two townies to kiss is totally scummy guys, I think we should lynch Nikose.

[Nikose Tyris]

I don't think that was confirmed by anyone; it's entirely possible, but Bookworm right now should be white name; he may be mafia or town.

It's entirely possible that BF was trying to save his own hide, but we can't be sure just yet.

[Nikose Tyris]

Kerensky isn't secure in his sexuality.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Vote Count

BahamutFlare: 6
Mr. Bookworm: 1

Takes 7 to lynch. Pretty sure I got the count right but I may have missed one or counted one extra. It seems that there was a majority n BF for a moment there, but Gregness unvoted before I noticed so it will continue until I can catch you guys in the act.

[Kerensky287]

Kerensky isn't secure in his sexuality.

Untrue.

I'm just looking for an excuse to lynch you.

[Kerensky287]

And for the record, I don't even know Lawful's gender, SO THERE!

lawful are you an attractive female because if so

y-y'know

it's important to keep with the theme of the game

*blush blush blush*

[Moogle0119]

Awkward.

[Gregness]

*Flip*
the coin has chosen!

THE COIN DEMANDS BLOOD!

Vig, use your ultra-super-powers on Gregness tonight, UNLESS BF flips Town somehow. If he does, Get Bookworm.

Nik, is that a plan to test my claim or do you think I'm legitimately scummy? If it's the former then you should reread my power description because as far as I know my luck only works on lynches. So, if you want to test my claim you'd need to use a lynch. If you think I'm scummy I'd love to hear your argument for it. Especially in light of the fact that I (and moogle for that matter) am the reason that we're even having this discussion right now since I unvoted. If I were really scummy I'd have wanted the day to end.

[Nikose Tyris]

0 care factor about your roleclaim. Coin demands blood.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Okay, it actually seems we have a majority on Bahamut, so a lynch post may come soon. My computer is shitting on me though so it may take a while for to get a count. Regardless, if I find there is a majority, no amount of unvoting will change the majority and the lynch will occur.

[Lawful Neutral]

Unvote: Bahamut

Gonna take a step back for right now, see how things go.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Keep in mind LN, if I go back and find a majority then Ill still lynch him!

[Kerensky287]

VOTE: BAHAMUTFLARE

Vote:BahamutFlare

Vote: BahamutFlare

Vote: BahamutFlare

Unvote
Vote: BahamutFlare

Vote: BahamutFlare

Just six.

[Kerensky287]

Note that I'm not including Lawful's unvote, just for the purposes of Bard's majority-counting.

You probably counted Nikose twice; he voted for BahamutFlare, then forgot about it and voted again.

[BahamutFlare]

Bahahaha. I was waiting for you to post.

I'm Jake the Dog, Town Roleblocker. Using my extra stretchy limbs, I can entangle up one person every night and stop them from performing any actions.

I was honestly hoping you'd claim to be Jake and a PO, but this works too.
How do I know you're bullshitting? Because I chose to roleblock you last night.

Vote: BahamutFlare

7

[Kerensky287]

Oh. Derp.

Meh, we weren't getting anywhere anyway.

[Moogle0119]

Kerensky who're you going for tonight? I'll make sure to target someone else.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Well since it seems RO never unvoted then lynchpost is soon! At any rate, D2 is now over.

[Bard The 5th LW]

As the end of the day drew near, the votes were counted, and a majority was found.

As the suspect was called, he came forward willingly, almost as if he had given up in a state of hopelessness or depression. There was collective gasp as The Ice King, Don (mafia aligned), stood below the gallows. Princess Bubblegum herself seemed equally shocked at his willing compliance. "I'm sorry," he said, his head held low in guilt, albeit a somewhat juvenile sense of guilt rather than one with complete understanding.

There were no words as he was ushered to the rope, and he scarcely fought as it was tied to his neck.

"Oh, wait, I have one more thing-" it was too late. The deed done, the Townsfolk began to clear out. As he was being removed though, a startling fact became apparent, his Magical Crown was missing!

Day 2 has ended. Night 2 has now begun! It will last about 48 hours at most, but it will likely end sooner if all nightroles are submitted before that time.

[BahamutFlare]

I was just trying to be a Nice King. And give you all sandwiches. I just wanted a friend. :( You should all be ashamed.

[/deathpost]

[Nikose Tyris]

"No one dies tonight; so says the Phoenix!"

[Bard The 5th LW]

My comp sorta took a shit on my face and I had the night actions all stored on a document there. On my brother's now. Might take a while for me to remember what everyone did. If possible, can you send me an action again?

[Geminex]

Booo! (http://youtu.be/NpYEJx7PkWE?t=12s)

[Bard The 5th LW]

All was silent at the Nut Castle as the Duke decided to turn in for the night. It had been a turbulent last few days for him and he was content to go back to his chambers and lie with his wife as he drifted into slumber.

Then the door slammed open with a thud.

"Who is it that dare sack the Nut Castle!" he shouted in shock.

"You know who it is!" Finn screamed back at him, blade in hand, "and you know what you did!" He took a strong leap forward, blade in hand.

"Please tell my son I love him!" The Duke screamed before his life ended.

---

"Hmmm hmm hmm hmm hmm tyin' up folks all night~" Jake the dog sang to himself as he waltzed back home after a presumably productive night of action. The tree house was just in sight when -

"Gwack"

"Huh? What was that?" It seemed to come from the nearby. Jake slowly and purposefully sauntered towards the bushes when-

*ZAP*

That was the end of Jake the Dog, as he stood frozen in place just steps away from his own home, cut down in his prime.

---

In the morning, the people of the Candy Kingdom grieved the tragic losses of the Nikose Tyris, Duke of Nuts, Town Scapegoat, and Revolving Ocelot, Jake the Dog, Town Roleblocker. No other deaths were found though.

DAY 3 HAS BEGUN

(still though send me those actions)

[Lawful Neutral]

Well...
Fuck.

[Lawful Neutral]

Vote: Ryanderman

Seeing how I trust Nikose's judgement.

[Moogle0119]

I "watched" Bookie last night and I got the result that he didn't interact with anyone.

Vote: Ryanderman

[Lawful Neutral]

I think it's safe to assume the PO can step forward now.
Would you be so kind as to do so?

[Revising Ocelot]

In the morning, the people of the Candy Kingdom grieved the tragic losses... Revolving Ocelot, Jake the Dog, Town Roleblocker.

http://i.imgur.com/lqPvR.gif

[Nikose Tyris]

In the morning, the people of the Candy Kingdom grieved the tragic losses of the Nikose Tyris, Duke of Nuts, Town Scapegoat By Kerensky287

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/Kerensky287/reaction%20shots/day9-what_o_GIFSoupcom.gif

[Kerensky287]

I went on a hunch and attacked the most suspicious person remaining in the game.

To be fair, he was totally asking for it.

Also, Greed sent me his PO power overnight, and I can use it at any time. Any objections to me scanning Ryanderman immediately?

[Moogle0119]

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/Kerensky287/reaction%20shots/day9-what_o_GIFSoupcom.gif

http://i.tfster.com/cache/i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm193/krexuzeitor/implied-facepalm.jpg

[Aldurin]

Well dicks, let's get that claim list up again so we can figure out who we should have kerensky nightkill this time. I'll hold off my vote if we're down to four or five votes to lynch (we're already at 3).

[Aldurin]

Might as well scan Ryanderman, since he was a late arrival I don't think he'd be a bodyguard role or something like that.

[Moogle0119]

Kerensky if you can use PO powers now, definitely go ahead and scan someone so we can at least narrow down our list.

[Lawful Neutral]

So, who do you guys think owns the Ice King's crown?

[Kerensky287]

Baaaaaaaaaard I sent you a PM

please answer it

[Kerensky287]

Apparently the glasses say Ryanderman is town-aligned but they don't say a thing other than that.

GUYS I THINK THE GLASSES ARE LYING

But seriously I think we're out of leads.

[Moogle0119]

So our list is....

rpgdemon
Aldurin
Gregness
Greed

?

Edit: Unless I missed one of their roleclaims (besides Greg, some tree and town aligned).

[Kerensky287]

RPG and Aldurin claimed mason town, Greg claimed unlynchable, Greed claimed some power-granter and I can confirm that last one.

[Moogle0119]

Well I know Bookie didn't interact with anyone last night so that's why he's not on the list. If you can confirm Greed then that leaves us with RPG, Aldurin and Greg.

[Kerensky287]

I feel like going after Greg.

The reason is that while RPG and Aldurin may, in fact, have been making up the "masoned with Geminex" thing, that would mean that there were 4 mafiates from the start of the game, and no Town PO or Bodyguard.

[Lawful Neutral]

I also agree with going after Greg.

[Kerensky287]

Vote: Gregness

[Moogle0119]

Unvote: Ryanderman
Vote: Gregness

[Lawful Neutral]

Unvote: Ryanderman
Vote: Gregness

[Lawful Neutral]

A thought occurs to me.
What if Gregness is Mafia-aligned and unlynchable?

[Gregness]

So, just for the sake of argument here, when it turns out that the lynch doesn't work ('cause I've already told you guys about my power (if you can call it that)) I assume Kerensky will kill me over night. When that comes up to say that I'm town, what are you guys planning to do?

[rpgdemon]

If you'd like more confirmation of the masonery: I can post a screenshot of the board that we have to talk on.

[Lawful Neutral]

Unvote: Gregness

I'm beginning to suspect this game has a cult.

[Lawful Neutral]

...I think the general silence is a good sign that my theory of Bookworm, Kerensky, and Moogle being Cult is accurate.

[Lawful Neutral]

Seeing how their actions so far seem to suggest they're in cahoots.

[rpgdemon]

Actually, a cult does seem a very easy way of balancing this "OP" town that we have. And, whoever was calling for all the roles ought to be most suspect. Imagine, cult takes over the kill/power roles of the town first, uses them against Nikose, and then, "Look, here's who we have for sure as town! Don't bother lynching them!".

They cult the "confirmed" townies, no one suspects them, and then we lose to the cult.

Who was pushing for claims more than anyone else, and who are we calling confirmed to be clean? Since those people are suspicious to me.

[Lawful Neutral]

Kerensky and Moogle have made a show of pinning 4 people to be mafioso.
Hmmm...

[Lawful Neutral]

I'm willing to believe the people they're calling out are innocent.

[Aldurin]

Here's our current list. Marking confirmed town in yellow, unconfirmed town claims in green and marking Ryanderman in purple because he's not giving us much to work with.

2. RPGdemon, 2/3man mason <confirmed by Aldurin and vice versa
3. Kerensky, Vig
5. Bookworm, unkown
6. Moogle, claims town-aligned watcher
8. Aldurin, 2/3man mason <confirmed by RPG and vice versa
9. Gregness, claimed town-aligned but unconfirmed
10. Greed, powergiver <confirmed by Lawful Neutral and Kerensky
12. Lawful, Princess Twovote <confirmed empirically
14. Ryanderman, silent

Gregness, Moogle and Bookie are my main suspicions for right now. Ryanderman too, assuming that Ryanderman is scan-proof. Until we find a way to confirm the iffy claims, we have to be careful. It may be that Moogle and Bookie are scum and moogle is covering it up with the watcher claim, it may be that Gregness is claiming unlynchable so we keep him alive for longer. I currently believe that two of these four remaining suspicions are scum.

FoS: Ryanderman
FoS: Moogle
FoS: Bookie
FoS: Gregness

I think faction powers can't be watched, or if they are then Moogle is lying to cover up for Bookie. I say we lynch Bookie for now, then depending on the results we go after one of the other people.

Vote: Bookworm

[Aldurin]

Also, it's 5 to lynch, or four if Lawful is voting too.

[Moogle0119]

A thought occurs to me.
What if Gregness is Mafia-aligned and unlynchable?

That's probably the most ridiculous statement ever. I have more faith in Bard than to create a mafiate that can't be killed via lynch. Hell, if you're willing to suggest there's a mafiate that is unlynchable you should also look at your own role claim (townie with 2 votes) and see how much MORE likely it is that there could be a mafiate with two votes (I still don't believe either of these though). You're acting awfully suspicious within the past few hours.

FoS: LN

[Moogle0119]

Damn, I got ninja'd big time. Rather than edit, let me just say that all I'm saying is that according to my results, Bookie did not interact with anyone last night. I'm NOT saying he isn't scum though. He could be scum if there's 2 mafiates left and the OTHER mafiate was the one that performed the night kill.

So again, I'm not saying Bookie isn't scum, I'm just saying he wasn't the one who killed RO last night.

[Aldurin]

I'm willing to let LN pass on grounds of being derp during his first mafia game. I just hope Moogle's suscpicions aren't in attempt to knock out a doublevote (pretty threatening to mafia that are getting routed during the day) and are just being hard on some logic mistakes.

[Aldurin]

Well, in that case I think we should lynch bookie as he's our best lead right now. Then Kerensky can choose to either nightkill Ryanderman or Gregness. With any luck we'll be done by the end of the next day.

[Moogle0119]

Not really, I'd just like to make LN start making sense again. He seemed to go on a huge conspiracy rant there for a while and it just got worse and worse.

I get that I'm all the list for suspicious people, but you need to add yourself and rpg to the list too. If this game has 2 mafiates left it's VERY possible you both are just posing as "masons" and unfortunately there's no way to rule you two out completely (I think you both are the least suspicious though to be honest).

[Moogle0119]

Well, in that case I think we should lynch bookie as he's our best lead right now. Then Kerensky can choose to either nightkill Ryanderman or Gregness. With any luck we'll be done by the end of the next day.

I'd rather go and try to lynch someone else. I know for a fact (unless my power is unreliable, doubtful though) Bookie didn't perform a night kill last night, so if anything we should look at him once we kill another mafiate (assuming the game continues and there's one more mafiate left).

[Aldurin]

I'd rather go and try to lynch someone else. I know for a fact (unless my power is unreliable, doubtful though) Bookie didn't perform a night kill last night, so if anything we should look at him once we kill another mafiate (assuming the game continues and there's one more mafiate left).

Yes, but the problem is what if we don't nail other mafiates? We could easily get duped down to lower numbers and find out "oh, turns out he IS scum". I would prefer to go after our best lead, even if a conditionally accepted roleclaim says he didn't do anything.

[Moogle0119]

....and what if there's only 1 mafiate left though? That would basically rule out entirely that Bookie is a mafiate and in that case we should hit in other spots. I'm not trying to protect Bookie or anything but it DOES make sense that out of this list....

rpgdemon
Aldurin
Gregness
Moogle

....one of the above players performed a kill last night (note: this is also assuming Ryanderman is completely cleared too via the PO ability). And obviously I know I didn't perform a kill last night either. That's why I'm voting Greg.

[Lawful Neutral]

The Ryanderman thing may be unreliable, in the show the Glasses of Nerdicon were ultimately a bad thing. But they may have cleared his innocence.

I merely suggested there may be a cult, since most of the town appeared to have power roles. And the disappearance of the Crown of the Ice King means it's still out there. Jake the Dog was killed with ice, which is a power tied to the crown. It was either given to a mafioso, or it was passed on to a townie, and the crown corrupted them like it did to Simon Petrikov all those years ago.

Then again, this is all conjecture on my part.

[Lawful Neutral]

I am curious to know what Greed's third power is. Choose Goose has been seen with the Glasses and the Armor of Zelderon in-show, but beyond that, there aren't any artifacts tied to him, hmmm...

[Moogle0119]

....I have no idea about any of that stuff (pertaining to the show that is, Glasses of Nerdicon, Armor of Zelderon, etc...) but I'm fairly certain that the crown just got passed on to the next mafiate. At least that's usually how it works in mafiate games. Cult being in this game is a possibility, however I don't think it's very likely with it being a small game to begin with.

[Lawful Neutral]

Ah, well I wouldn't know if that would happen...
It is my first game and all.

[Moogle0119]

No worries. I'm still sticking with my vote on Greg though.

[Gregness]

The Ryanderman thing may be unreliable, in the show the Glasses of Nerdicon were ultimately a bad thing. But they may have cleared his innocence.

I merely suggested there may be a cult, since most of the town appeared to have power roles. And the disappearance of the Crown of the Ice King means it's still out there. Jake the Dog was killed with ice, which is a power tied to the crown. It was either given to a mafioso, or it was passed on to a townie, and the crown corrupted them like it did to Simon Petrikov all those years ago.

Then again, this is all conjecture on my part.

The crown thing is a null-tell I think. I'm pretty sure it just marks the mafia don and so it went to whoever is the new Don. In the show, the Ice King's crown is some sort of cursed item that corrupts those who're exposed to it.

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So, I would expect that when we find the last mafiate, we find the crown.

Anyway, can someone explain where this suspicion of me is coming from? I don't ming if you guys are calling me on something I've legitimately done, but as far as I know I've been firing town on all cylinders all game long. I was one of the first to buy into Kerensky's roleclaim AND proposed a method by which he would be 90% confirmed (i.e. wait to see if the real vig killed him). When yesterday stood to end in an early lynch, I was the FIRST person to unvote so that we could continue discussion (that the discussion soon turned to fartz and butz isn't the point). The only thing I was halfway suspicious on was the roleclaim, but as soon as there was a chance to explain that wouldn't be met with a kneejerk reaction I did.

Now, the current lynch train on me started with Kerensky ('cause he felt like it) but so far he's 0-2 this game as a vig so you guys can take his hunches as you see 'em.

As for Ryander, Kerensky himself said he thought the glasses were lying, and that actually could be the truth. A Godfather investigates as innocent despite being scum. (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Godfather) Now, that combined with Ryander's absence makes me still suspect him.

Vote: Ryanderman

FoS: Moogle0119
for pushing hard for my lynch despite the dearth of evidence. Honestly, this would go for Kerensky and LN too except that they're basically confirmed at this point whereas we've only got Moogle's word that he's a watcher.

FoS: Mr. Bookworm
For being extremely inactive.

[Moogle0119]

Anyway, can someone explain where this suspicion of me is coming from?

I've already stated why earlier. Someone killed RO last night and presumably it's whoever is in charge of the mafia's kills (unless you'd like to claim there's a SK in the game or some other night killer). We know Kerensky killed off Nikose, so the other death during the night has to be attributed to the mafia. That means someone else that is still alive performed that kill. Going off the player list...

rpgdemon
Kerensky287
Mr. Bookworm
Moogle0119
Aldurin
Gregness
Greed
Lawful Neutral
Ryanderman

We know it can't be Kerensky, since he's the vig and already performed a kill. We also know that LN is the Princess with 2 votes (whatever the name was). We can confirm his claim because he totally outed a mafiate who got caught lying earlier. Greed is also apparently cleared because of Kerensky and LN's claim. That leaves...

rpgdemon
Mr. Bookworm
Moogle0119
Aldurin
Gregness
Ryanderman

Now Ryanderman was also cleared by Kerensky (I took his second line to being sarcastic, but I won't speak for him on that). Assuming Kerensky's PO power was accurate that leaves a narrow list. I targetted Bookie last night because I thought Kerensky was going to target you (Greg) as per Nikose's post during D2

*Flip*
the coin has chosen!

THE COIN DEMANDS BLOOD!

Vig, use your ultra-super-powers on Gregness tonight, UNLESS BF flips Town somehow. If he does, Get Bookworm.
There would be no point in my watching you, if Kerensky was going to kill you off according to this plan. According to my results, I have no reason to believe Bookie performed the kill last night at all, so I'm removing him and myself from the above list (as well as Ryanderman, unless Kerensky says otherwise). That only leaves Greg, Aldurin, and rpgdemon. And assuming there's 1 mafiate left it has to be you Greg. Now if there's 2 mafiates left, then sure, Bookie might be a 2nd mafiate, but it doesn't take you off the suspicion list either and only adds the 2-man mason group back on slightly.

[Gregness]

Okay, naturally everyone takes themselves off the suspicion list, but we really only have your word on the fact that you're a watcher. And on that note, why would you watch Book, in the hopes you'd catch him doing something rather than watching Kerensky or RO who were claimed power roles and thus big targets in the hopes of catching someone killing them. One way you get some information that doesn't really tell you anything. The other gets you a definitive list of people of whom one must be mafia.

[Moogle0119]

My watcher role doesn't work like that. It states that I can choose someone and watch their actions. Ex: If I watched Nikose last night I would not see that Kerensky killed him (because Nikose did not send in a night action that had anything to do with Kerensky). But if I had chosen Kerensky to watch, then yes I would have seen that he did interact with Nikose.

And yes I am going to remove myself from the list obviously just as you fighting VERY hard to defend yourself from a lynch that supposedly will do nothing to you.

Edit: Re-read my last post to understand why I chose to watch Bookie.

[Gregness]

If that's the way your watcher role works then I'll concede the point, but it should be noted that that's not the way watcher roles typically work. (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Watcher)

[Kerensky287]

Unvote: Gregness

Yeah, sorry, I rationally know that you're town. You've gotta be. You've done next to no scummy actions all game (aside from what I misinterpreted to be a vanilla town claim), and you've been front-and-center in some of our anti-mafia discussions. I guess the scummy vibes I keep getting are just left over from Forgotten Realms Mafia where I saw you as the main threat to (what I thought was) a Day 1 victory...

I haven't seen the show, so can somebody please explain what the Glasses of Nerdicon did? Lawful said they turned out to be a bad thing in the end, but does that mean they were incorrect? Because all I learned about Ryanderman was that he was "TOWN-ALIGNED," which is very little information to work off of, and... well, to be frank, I BELIEVE everybody else. I want Ryanderman to be mafia because that's the easiest answer. But that doesn't make it true.

So here's what I propose.

OPTION 1: We lynch Bookworm. If Bookworm flips mafia, then that means Moogle is probably mafia too. I'll lynch him overnight if that's the case. If Bookworm flips town, we're back to square one.

OPTION 2: We lynch either RPGdemon or Aldurin. I still carry my early suspicion that "Marshmallow Boy #3" was less an indicator of a 3-man-mason, and more an indicator of irrelevancy, but considering that this has sort of been a power game, I'm not so sure about that. Still, it's an easy way for the two of them to explain their out-of-game communication - they'll have that if they're masons, and also if they're mafia.

OPTION 3: We lynch Moogle. The fact is, the only evidence we have that he's town is his word, and the fact that Inbred voted for him way back during Day 1. He claims to be The Watcher, which is difficult to safely test (I do have an idea which I'll detail below), and which honestly feels a little redundant in this game because there haven't been many actions to watch.

IF WE WANT TO TEST MOOGLE:
-If I remember correctly, Greed has 1 more night action to grant. We have Greed grant this action to someone, without telling anyone who, and we have Moogle watch Greed to see if he can correctly guess what action was taken. If he can't do this, he's lying about his role - lynch him the next day.
-HOWEVER, just because he's a watcher doesn't mean he's town-aligned. To be frank, watcher strikes me as more of a mafia role for this game - it's a powergame, and the mafia is heavily outnumbered. He could have been using it to try to identify the vigilante, the roleblocker, etc. So if we have a PO, or someone else who can grant that power again, I suggest using it on Moogle tonight.
-If all else fails, Watcher is somewhat of a useless role, so we can deal with losing Moogle.

I still sort of feel bad about my huge blatant backstab last game, so I feel like I owe Moogle something, but he's honestly looking like one of the biggest suspects to me right now.

And that doesn't say much because everyone looks really innocent.

[Gregness]

If that's the way your watcher role works then I'll concede the point, but it should be noted that that's not the way watcher roles typically work. (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Watcher)

By that I mean that everyone else should note that if we start runnnig out of leads again.

Also, you're right the lynch isn't going to do anything to me, but that makes it little better than a no-lynch which is basically the last thing we should want to do. The only reason I don't think it's exactly equivalent to a no-lynch is that hopefully that would finally be enough evidence for you guys to believe me. 'Course, if Kerensky then takes it upon himself to kill me during the night then A) confirming me as town is all for nothing and B) Kerensky will then be 0-3 for Vig kills.

[Moogle0119]

Well if you're unsure about the PO ability being accurate I would suggest we go for Ryanderman then. I still disagree that Bookie showing up as mafia would make me likely to be scum too (since I've insisted already that it just means there's 1 more mafiate and I've already stated who else is on the list). If you really have to I would say hold off on killing me until the next day when I have a chance to watch someone else and give more information to you. I only watched Bookie because I thought Kerensky was going to follow Nikose's plan, instead of.....killing him off. But somehow that makes me suspicious....

[Kerensky287]

Yeah, sorry about the loose-cannon lynch on Nikose.

I feel like I should have mentioned WHY I was suspicious of him - his method of flipping a coin to decide who to lynch is scummy as fuck, for example - but... eh. I didn't want to give him any warning, and it was sort of a spur-of-the-moment thing.

There's no indication whatsoever that the PO action is a mistell. That was my first instinct because if we assume Ryanderman is the only remaining mafiate, all the pieces fall into place. But the easiest, most simple solution is NOT always the correct one, so I feel we should treat him as town for now.

Someone just said POs tend to reveal mafia dons as town - is that typical? Because I've never seen that happen, and it doesn't make sense to me for that to happen. If that's usual for dons, then we COULD just assume that's what's happening and lynch Ryanderman, but I feel like we can scratch him off the list of suspects for now.

Basically, it boils down to RPGdemon, Aldurin, Moogle and Bookworm right now. If there's a cult, as Lawful suggested, then... fuck, we're back to square one. But if we're operating under the assumption that it's just mafia left, I say we go for either Moogle or Bookworm.

If there's a cult, of course, you have no reason to believe anything that I'm saying. They'd have gone for me night 1, kept me pushing to take down the mafia (leaving the cult with a monopoly on night-elimination actions), and it would have explained my weird gung-ho callouts and nightkills. I want to say that a confirmed miller would be great for cult (meaning I wouldn't have killed Nikose!) but I didn't really have a good reason for taking down Nikose anyway, other than a strong suspicion that he was just going really far to prove his innocence. So I fucked up there.

Of course if he had flipped Mafia then I would've gloated like crazy, but it was just a hunch and it cost me and the town a lot.


TL;DR: Vote for me if you think there's a cult. I'm the most likely night 1 target for them, and when I flip town, you'll see that all you have to fear is mafia and/or serial killer. Otherwise, vote for Moogle or Bookworm, our two most likely suspects at the moment.

[Moogle0119]

I don't believe there is a cult. If there's only one mediate left then you are making the wrong decision (again) by voting me or Bookie off.

In fact, worse case scenario (assuming there isn't a cult) is that there are 2 mafiates remaining and we should operate under that logic for now. If we target either Aldurin or rpg it will confirm the other either way. If you vote me you will see that I'm a watcher and that won't give you any real info about Bookie (other than he still didn't kill anyone on N2). Killing Bookie, Ryanderman, or Greg will still leave one of the other three (four if you include me) that could where the remaining magistrate are. I say we vote either Aldrin or rpg for today.

[Moogle0119]

Edit: magistrate = mafiates, I hate the autocorrect on my phone.

[Kerensky287]

Yeah, sorry dude, but there isn't a whole lot of reason to vote for anybody who ISN'T you right now.

Vote: Moogle

[Aldurin]

*sigh*

Hey rpg, should we just let them see our communications so that they know for sure that we are masoned with gem and thus town? Like just link to it?

And now that I think about it.

Unvote: Bookworm

Vote: Moogle

He pushing really hard for lynches, and his roleclaim is convenient in the way that it is extremely difficult to verify. And his recent arguments feel more antagonistic than helpful toward town.

[Moogle0119]

Gonna keep that record going Kerensky, really?

[Kerensky287]

You mean our record of lynching a mafiate per night?

Fuck yeah.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/Kerensky287/reaction%20shots/shantottolaughs012_o_GIFSoupcom.gif

[Moogle0119]

Kerensky you're seriously misguided this game. If this lynch goes through you should SERIOUSLY consider targeting Aldurin or rpgdemon tonight with one of your kills since you won't listen to logic anymore. Maybe you'll listen to me once I turn up town though? Or maybe not.

[Aldurin]

I agree with Kerensky.

[Lawful Neutral]

Unvote: Gregness
Vote: Moogle

Gonna have to go with the majority this time.

[Moogle0119]

Is everyone voting for me just because "hey, it's not me"? I just want everyone's reasons clarified before the lynch goes through.

[Mr.Bookworm]

Is everyone voting for me just because "hey, it's not me"? I just want everyone's reasons clarified before the lynch goes through.

I would say your role comes across as extremely suspicious, as it's very, very hard to verify. Going to hold off on voting for you right now, though.

I personally would guess that there is only one mafiate left. We had 12 people at the start of the game IIRC, and 1:4 is the usual Mafia:Town ratio.

There might be a cult (Lumpy Space Princess, probably), in which case they have a pretty severe advantage right now. I would step back and take a look at all of the "confirmed" roleclaims and see if we notice anything suspicious.

I'd say that if we kill another mafiate and the game is still going, we can be pretty assured that there is a cult.

[greed]

I am curious to know what Greed's third power is. Choose Goose has been seen with the Glasses and the Armor of Zelderon in-show, but beyond that, there aren't any artifacts tied to him, hmmm...

Sadly my third power is largely useless, it was the ability to let someone mason with Princess Bubblegum. However seeing as you were the first town role revealed it's effectiveness went down the drain. The artifact in question was the holopendant.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Votecount

Moogle: 3 (Kerensky, Aldurin, Lawful Neutral)
Gregness: 1 (Moogle)
Ryanderman: 1 (Gregness)

With 9 players left it takes 5 to lynch. Day will probably end thursday or so if a majority is not reached.

Mightve missed a vote, not sure.

[rpgdemon]

*sigh*

Hey rpg, should we just let them see our communications so that they know for sure that we are masoned with gem and thus town? Like just link to it?

And now that I think about it.

Unvote: Bookworm

Vote: Moogle

He pushing really hard for lynches, and his roleclaim is convenient in the way that it is extremely difficult to verify. And his recent arguments feel more antagonistic than helpful toward town.

I PMed Bard to see if it's kosher to do so, but I accidentally said Kerensky instead of Geminex, so then he addressed that in his PM back, and nothing about the legitimateness of the idea.

[Gregness]

First thing: Bard, you did miss a vote

*snip*
Vote: Ryanderman

FoS: Moogle0119
for pushing hard for my lynch despite the dearth of evidence. Honestly, this would go for Kerensky and LN too except that they're basically confirmed at this point whereas we've only got Moogle's word that he's a watcher.

FoS: Mr. Bookworm
For being extremely inactive.

Now, for content!

Yeah, sorry about the loose-cannon lynch on Nikose.

I feel like I should have mentioned WHY I was suspicious of him - his method of flipping a coin to decide who to lynch is scummy as fuck, for example - but... eh. I didn't want to give him any warning, and it was sort of a spur-of-the-moment thing.

*snip*

I actually completely agree with you that the coinflip thing was scummy as hell. Nikose had just built up enough town-cred with me day 1 that I just chalked it up to him being nutty and made a note to recheck it if something didn't add up later.

Moogle, I originally had suspicions of you, but they were less than my suspicions of Book and Ryander. That was before you spent the last few pages doing this:

Gonna keep that record going Kerensky, really?

Kerensky you're seriously misguided this game. If this lynch goes through you should SERIOUSLY consider targeting Aldurin or rpgdemon tonight with one of your kills since you won't listen to logic anymore. Maybe you'll listen to me once I turn up town though? Or maybe not.

This all seems very personal-attackey and raises my suspicions of you to the point where I'm not sure if it's you or Ryander.

I'm still keeping my vote on Ryanderman for now so we can keep discussing.

[Kerensky287]

Bard, don't you mean 4 for Moogle? Lawful has 2 votes.

[Moogle0119]

Those weren't personal attacks on Kerensky (at least not intended to be). I'm trying to steer town away from making a poor lynch decision. Nobody has yet bothered to voice why they suspect me other than "Suspicious role claim" or "Personal attacks". I only roleclaimed yesterday BECAUSE I was asked to and I have been nothing but honest about my choices so far and my findings. People have tried twisting my watching Bookie into me claiming his innocent, which I have denied from the start. Only that Bookie did not perform a kill at night. Then others still wanted to target him for a lynch originally and my question was why? Even if he was the 2nd mafiate, that still leaves another mafiate in the list we came up with originally either way.

Edit: Here. If I'm scum (which I'm not) then yes that would basically prove Bookie is scum as well. If I'm NOT scum, it does not prove Bookie is innocent at all and then you will have killed a town resource for gathering information. If we lynch Aldurin or rpgdemon and either of them turns up as scum, we can lynch the other. If either of them turns up as town then it entirely proves the other's innocence. Plus if I survive another night I am able to give town more information on whoever I end up watching. Lynching me instead does nothing (doesn't prove Aldurin, rpg, or Bookie are anything) since I will turn up town and you will just be down one minor town power that may or may not prove useful.

[Kerensky287]

You're actually completely wrong in your edit-paragraph, at least with regard to Bookie's innocence being related to your innocence.

If you're town, it proves that Bookie is also innocent because if you aren't town, Bookie will be the only mafiate left. If that was the case, you would have detected his nightkill.

If you're mafia, it doesn't mean Bookie is too, because you could have just been trying to fake innocence by using your power on someone that you KNEW would yield a null result.

You are the current best target for town. Assuming all powers work as we've been told by Bard, Ryanderman is town, and Bookie is either town or one of two mafiates left (ie NOT the sole remaining mafiate). That means that either you, Aldurin, or RPGdemon are mafia, and the latter two are saying they can prove their innocence with screenshots.

[Kerensky287]

Also, for the record, calling out my poor ratio of hits to misses is absolutely a personal attack, and pretending it isn't is completely silly.

[Moogle0119]

You're actually completely wrong in your edit-paragraph, at least with regard to Bookie's innocence being related to your innocence.

If you're town, it proves that Bookie is also innocent because if you aren't town, Bookie will be the only mafiate left. If that was the case, you would have detected his nightkill.

If you're mafia, it doesn't mean Bookie is too, because you could have just been trying to fake innocence by using your power on someone that you KNEW would yield a null result.

You are the current best target for town. Assuming all powers work as we've been told by Bard, Ryanderman is town, and Bookie is either town or one of two mafiates left (ie NOT the sole remaining mafiate). That means that either you, Aldurin, or RPGdemon are mafia, and the latter two are saying they can prove their innocence with screenshots.
Actually if I'm town it doesn't prove Bookie is innocent (if we assume there are 2 mafiates left). Ryanderman or Greg would be the the mafiate if we're assuming 1 mafiate remaining, but if there's 2 mafiates it could be a combination of Greg+Bookie, Ryanderman+Bookie, Greg+Ryanderman, or Aldurin+rpg. This is of course assuming the PO ability isn't accurate and we don't take Greg's roleclaim as absolute truth. You are right about me showing up as a mafiate though, it doesn't prove or disprove Bookie either way still (all the more reason lynching me is a bad idea, you gain nothing and lose a minor town power).

I'm also hesitant to believe any screenshots that Aldurin and rpg show, it's not exactly rocket science to doctor up a conversation and prove it as "evidence" so forgive me for being skeptical until I see the evidence itself. As for the calling out of poor ratio of hits to misses, it wasn't intended to be a personal attack at all, only to hopefully make you take a moment to re-evaluate your decisions but regardless I do apologize for the tone I took.

[Gregness]

Also, for the record, calling out my poor ratio of hits to misses is absolutely a personal attack, and pretending it isn't is completely silly.

Well, to be fair I kind of did the same thing a few pages back:

By that I mean that everyone else should note that if we start runnnig out of leads again.

Also, you're right the lynch isn't going to do anything to me, but that makes it little better than a no-lynch which is basically the last thing we should want to do. The only reason I don't think it's exactly equivalent to a no-lynch is that hopefully that would finally be enough evidence for you guys to believe me. 'Course, if Kerensky then takes it upon himself to kill me during the night then A) confirming me as town is all for nothing and B) Kerensky will then be 0-3 for Vig kills.

Still, I was making the comment in response to you going after me on a hunch so I think calling out the recent accuracy of your hunches was relevant. In addition my phrasing was much more tactful. I was sticking to the facts rather than a general 'oh you suck so much Kerensky' tone which was what Moogle used.

[Kerensky287]

We've established that Gregness is town. He's been vastly helpful to us for the entire game, and he's been so unscummy that it would take a serious logic jump to assume he's against us.

Our PO action confirmed Ryanderman as town-aligned and we have no strong reasons to believe it's false information.

And to be honest, if RPG and Aldurin are mafiates, why wouldn't they have claimed BahamutFlare as a fourth mason?

[Moogle0119]

And to be honest, if RPG and Aldurin are mafiates, why wouldn't they have claimed BahamutFlare as a fourth mason?

Not necessarily, because it said Marshmallow Boy #3, so only 3 (2 others besides Gem) is really necessary and there's less of a chance one of them will get lynched/vig'd at night and reveal the rest.

[Kerensky287]

...Can we just lynch him already holy fuck

[Moogle0119]

Kerensky I'm curious, what are your back-up plans when I turn up as town, because everything so far has hinged on you banking on me turning up as scum. If I'm not you'll have absolutely no leads other than looking at the list of remaining players and trying to decide which one is lying to you.

[Gregness]

Well, this is Mafia. Assuming that people are lying to you is just smart play. That said, I'm still very suspicious of Ryander, scan notwithstanding. I'm okay with lynching Moogle today, but I'll keep my vote on Ryander for now.

[Aldurin]

I'm also hesitant to believe any screenshots that Aldurin and rpg show, it's not exactly rocket science to doctor up a conversation and prove it as "evidence" so forgive me for being skeptical until I see the evidence itself.

I was thinking of linking directly to our place of communications, since there is a locked chat with timestamps going back to the beginning of the game between me, rpg and gem. That said, your constant push to try to kill off the masons is odd.

[Moogle0119]

It's not odd at all if you read my reasons why and the fact that you still haven't posted any evidence/proof/screenshots/links/etc. All we're going on currently is your word.

[Kerensky287]

Kerensky I'm curious, what are your back-up plans when I turn up as town, because everything so far has hinged on you banking on me turning up as scum. If I'm not you'll have absolutely no leads other than looking at the list of remaining players and trying to decide which one is lying to you.

List of suspects, most suspicious to least, in my opinion.
-Moogle
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-Bookie (Moogle said he performed no action; if Moogle is town, Bookie has no possible partners that make sense, so if he didn't make the nightkill, he's no mafia.)
-Ryanderman (glasses said he was town, but there are a few weak reasons to be suspicious)
-The masons
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-Everyone else

So if Moogle flips town, I'll go after Ryanderman, as he's the next most suspicious. If Moogle flips mafia and the game doesn't end, I'll go after Bookie.

[Moogle0119]

Sounds like a decent plan (minus the lynching me part). What sucks is that I wouldn't have bothered to investigate Bookie at all if I knew that you were going to NOT kill Greg and instead kill off Nikose (you made no mention that you weren't going to follow Nikose's plan despite the absolutely zero threat he posed). And now you're killing me off before I can gather more information. At least if I lived until D4, I could tell you who else I watched and give you more info. Hell, you can even dictate who I watch if you want. It's not like the game is threatening to be over even if there do happen to be 2 mafiates left.

Nobody else on the list can gain more evidence each day to prove their innocence like I can (minus dying of course). The only way you learn anything from killing me today is IF I turn up as scum (and I won't) and the game continues. Actually as you said earlier Kerensky, even if I did turn up as scum and the game didn't end, maybe I'm just setting up Bookie for a fall and the other mafiate is someone else. I'm still surprised you're willing to buy "the masons" claim at face value without any evidence presented, yet you're not willing to buy my claim at all.

[Kerensky287]

Nobody vote for anybody right now, I have a big post coming.

Unvote: Moogle (perhaps temporarily)

[Kerensky287]

I would say your role comes across as extremely suspicious, as it's very, very hard to verify. Going to hold off on voting for you right now, though.

I personally would guess that there is only one mafiate left. We had 12 people at the start of the game IIRC, and 1:4 is the usual Mafia:Town ratio.

There might be a cult (Lumpy Space Princess, probably), in which case they have a pretty severe advantage right now. I would step back and take a look at all of the "confirmed" roleclaims and see if we notice anything suspicious.

I'd say that if we kill another mafiate and the game is still going, we can be pretty assured that there is a cult.

At first I was going to point out that we're still waiting on Bookie's roleclaim, which would make this whole thing a lot easier, but then I noticed how incredibly scummy this post is.

"I agree that you are super-suspicious! But I will withhold my vote for no reason. Also, you should probably get all suspicious of each other, and maybe try to kill each other off."

aaaaaargh

just fuckin' roleclaim already

Sounds like a decent plan (minus the lynching me part). What sucks is that I wouldn't have bothered to investigate Bookie at all if I knew that you were going to NOT kill Greg and instead kill off Nikose (you made no mention that you weren't going to follow Nikose's plan despite the absolutely zero threat he posed). And now you're killing me off before I can gather more information. At least if I lived until D4, I could tell you who else I watched and give you more info. Hell, you can even dictate who I watch if you want. It's not like the game is threatening to be over even if there do happen to be 2 mafiates left.

Here's the thing: You're one of three people that we can't trust.

I'd like to mention, for the record, that I believe the masons for reasons aside from the possibility of presenting evidence (Please do so, btw, guys). If they're both mafia, then that means in our game of 13 initial players, we had 4 mafiates, all of whom had some variety of power, no multi-shot bodyguard, and no multi-shot PO. That's sort of ridiculous, and it means I'm willing to tentatively buy their roleclaim. BUT AGAIN, evidence. Give it. Please. You guys keep promising it and have yet to deliver.

So once we scratch off RPG and Aldurin, we're left with you (Moogle), Bookie, and Ryanderman.

Now, here's the thing.

I was doing most of my posting today at work, on my cell phone, so I couldn't do any long-term planning. All of my posts were basically predicated on the most recent responses, and Moogle has been really, REALLY scummy lately. That's why I was pushing so hard.

But another possibility occurs to me:

-Bookie and Ryanderman are mafiates.
-Upon BahamutFlare's death, one of the remaining mafiates became the Don. Apparently, the Don is traditionally investigation-immune, and sometimes nightkill-immune (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Godfather).
-Ryanderman was given the crown, which would explain why he investigated as Town, and it would explain why Bookie apparently performed no action last night (according to Moogle).
-This also explains why Bookie and Ryanderman have been completely silent for the past little while, and why they still haven't roleclaimed despite Bookie actually posting just a short while ago.

So really, it comes down to whether we trust Moogle, or we trust Bookie and Ryanderman.

We have a few ways we can go here.

1) We lynch Moogle based on his scummy posts and weird roleclaim. He's at 3 votes, he needs 2 more to go. If he flips town, I'll go for Bookie overnight, due to the possibility that Ryanderman is bulletproof. Ryanderman needs to be lynched the next day. If Moogle flips mafia and the game doesn't end, I'll go for Bookie anyway, because there's no reason for him to try to protect a townie.

2) We lynch Ryanderman based on his silence, lack of a roleclaim, and the general sketchyness that stems from his late entry. If he flips town, I'll go for Moogle overnight, risking the possibility that he'll be bulletproof, and if he survives then he needs to be lynched the next day. If Ryanderman flips mafia, I'll go for Bookie overnight.

I hate flip-flopping like this but I'm leaning toward option 2, simply because it isn't a "KILL EVERYBODY" option. If Ryanderman is the Don, Bookie's the other mafiate; case closed. If Ryanderman's innocent, Moogle's assertions make no logical sense, which means he's mafia, and Bookie might be too.

[Moogle0119]

I like plan 2 much better, but I'd rather you held off killing me until D4 (again, I may be able to find out something if you're willing to trust my roleclaim temporarily). I also agree that Aldurin and rpg have been so willing to say that they have evidence, please present SOMETHING at least. If it's valid then yeah I'd be willing to buy it depending on how much we can verify the dates and times as well as the conversation material rather than something you did yesterday in a separate chat room and photoshopped dates/times in (I'm just making up what the possible "evidence" is).

Anyway back to your 2nd option, how about lynch Ryanderman and if he does turn up town, go after Bookie while I watch......Greg? or one of the masons if they decide to not present evidence? Or hell, maybe even LN since he seems to no longer have 2 votes for whatever reason (unlikely though since he did call out another mafiate D1). At least you'll have some more information from me on D4 (whether or not it'll show anything is another matter). Even if I was scum, killing me N3 or D4 would make no difference anyway. Theoritically, I'd still perform a night kill at night and either you would vig me or I would die via lynch the next day).

Edit: Also going off the "if I'm scum theory" there's no way I could control a lynch tomorrow either. If I'm the only mafiate then it will be my vote vs. yours, Greg's, LN, Aldurin, and rpg. If I'm 1 of 2 remaining mafiates then according to your plan, either Ryanderman or Bookie must be scum so you would kill them off anyway. Even if THAT isn't the case I still can't control a lynch since it would be my vote + (Greg or LN) vs. yours, Aldurin, rpg, (Greg or LN again, depending on which one is scum buddies with me).

[Aldurin]

That . . . I like that. I'm game for the second option for now.

Unvote: Moogle

Vote: Ryanderman

FoS: Moogle
I'll deal with you later. Also, the sheer fact that no one has counterclaimed our mason roles should be enough to go with for now. We won't be putting up any hard evidence yet.

[Kerensky287]

I just find it weird that the mafia hasn't gone after me yet considering my day 1 roleclaim and our lack of any bodyguard. I'm pretty much acting under the assumption that I won't see the next ingame day. It's fair, too - after all, I've been the single most harmful person to town in the entire game so far. :/

Skimming the thread, it looks like the masons asked Bard for permission to post their group chat, but simply haven't gotten a response yet. I'm willing to wait a little bit longer because they're very low on my suspect list.

[Moogle0119]

Also, the sheer fact that no one has counterclaimed our mason roles should be enough to go with for now.
Funny. The same could be said of me and my roleclaim (nobody has countered it, and at least I'm a different character completely rather than piggybacking off of an already named character).

Edit: If you guys are just waiting on Bard's permission then cool no problem. Otherwise I don't see why you'd be hesitant to show proof that the two of you are town-aligned. I mean it's not like you two have night powers or anything so what is there to be afraid of showing?

[Kerensky287]

If they're using a groupchat type of thing, then letting other players see what they're doing could be considered chatting outside of mafia, which is against the rules for non-masons and could result in expulsion from the game. If I had the GM position then I'd allow this exception, but it's ultimately up to Bard, and I understand the masons' hesitation in this matter.

In the meantime:

Vote: Ryanderman

[Moogle0119]

Unvote: Gregness
Vote: Ryanderman

Also, Kerensky, if you'll let me at least live til the Day, tell me who you want me to watch.

[Lawful Neutral]

Unvote: Moogle
Vote: Ryanderman

Find it kind of weird that there would be a Miller role in a game with a role that can watch night actions.
Probably just being paranoid.

[Kerensky287]

Watch Aldurin or RPGdemon, I guess, Moogle. I'm not particularly suspicious about them, but it makes more sense than watching Bookie.

[rpgdemon]

Yeah, talking with Bard in PMs about what is and isn't allowed. We're not allowed to just dump the link to the board, so I'm asking about screenshots, or even just copy/pasting the entire conversation history into a big post, with timestamps "intact".

[Fenris]

Skimming the thread, it looks like the masons asked Bard for permission to post their group chat

If this is true then no, absolutely not.

Stop playing fast and loose with the "no talking to people outside of the game" rules. The Mason Chat is for Masons only, not for anybody else. Also, I don't care if it was the masons' idea, it's against the rules.

[Gregness]

Well, that's that then.

I didn't seriously question the presence of a masonry anyway since that would seem to balance the apparant lack of a PO.

[Kerensky287]

Don't know if Bard's reading this, but we have 5 votes on Ryanderman now.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Don't know if Bard's reading this, but we have 5 votes on Ryanderman now.

Appears so! Unless someone unvoted and I missed then D3 is over. Lynchpost coming soon (if I miscounted go ahead and correct me).

[greed]

Vote:Ryanderman

[Bard The 5th LW]

Despite reservations, the lynchee was forced to come forward. The people whispered betwixt eachother as the figure was ushered forward. Could this truly be the one?

"Gwack," the penguin spoke as he took the center stage. On his head, crown!

"The bird to the noose!" let loose a cry from the crowd. The anonymous voice broke the apprehension of the crowd, who put in their agreement to the decision. The flightless bird flapped about futilely as he was ripped from his position and taken to the gallows.

Ryanderman, Gunter the Penguin, Godfather (mafia aligned) is dead! Night 3 is now upon you!

[Bard The 5th LW]

Finn had a mission.There could only be one of therm left, and he knew that he'd be the one to take the scumbag down. He'd get revenge for his best friend or die trying.

Nothing but his blade in hand, he rushed headlong into the lone coliseum standing in the empty plain.

"Welcome warri-"

"FIGHT KING! TODAY YOU DIE!" Screamed the boy as he charged the skeleton sitting on his risen throne, a familiar crown adorning his head.

---

The battle was long and arduous. But as morning came and the Candy people examined the scene, they found it had no winner.

Mr. Bookworm, The Fight King, Abductor (mafia aligned) and Kerensky, Finn the Human, Vigilante (Town Aligned) were vanquished in the coliseum, having killed each other. It was probably an awesome fight. Shame we didn't see it.

"Well people, thats it then," Princess Bubblegum said with a melancholy sigh. " The Candy Kingdom is now ridden of its intruders," she didn't seem happy.

Town has won! But at what costs!?

Ill post roles and musings later, but have some now!

I feel like I fudged the balance in the transition from 20 to 13 (then 14) players. Town Roles were just too easily confirmed which drove scum into a corner pretty quickly. Furthermore, I didn't immediately provide scum a safe list, which drove the roleblocker into a bad roleclaim early on, which crippled them pretty badly! So yeag, sorry scum.

Id say that Scum was most crippled by the Town roleblocker. RO managed to prevent two kills straight, one of which was an abduction. N2, Bookie tried to kill Kerensky, and Kerensky was also capable of an investigation! It would have been a good kill to make.

More later! Feel free to converse.

[Nikose Tyris]

A -WATCHER- role, and a MILLER role at the same time? The fuck is the point of a watcher and a miller? And a one shot investigate ability, that only had a 6% chance of even targeting me?

By all means I would have pushed like a motherfucker for lynching Moogle the second he claimed that.

Because that shit's illogical, son.

[Moogle0119]

*Shrug*

Plus I don't think my picks on who I watched D1 & D2 helped my case out much either. Regardless, at least we did well in lynching mafiates each time and came away with a win.

P.S. You were still alive when I roleclaimed Nikose.

[Gregness]

Like I said earlier, I think the last few NPF mafia games have to be a lesson in why scum needs a safe list. This, the FR mafia and the MLP mafia to a lesser extent were all too easily broken by simply asking everyone to roleclaim. The mass roleclaims, in turn, drove scum into hiding which made them easy pickings even if they'd been able to come up with credible roleclaims. This didn't happen in MLP due in large part to the wild swings in luck the first few days. In the FR mafia, IHMN showed the true danger to scum of a skilled mayor demanding roles. As soon as IHMN started demanding claims, the Red Wizards mostly clammed up and so it wasn't too hard to figure out who was who. The only reason the Black Network did as well as we did is that no one knew to look for us at first. Here, again, as soon as we started calling for roleclaims, all the mafia clammed up which made it relatively simple to get a successful lynch every day.

[Moogle0119]

Oh don't worry, the last mafia game I ran I made a similar mistake. I've already accounted for that in my upcoming game and I will say that it will backfire in a very bad way if people think they're going to mass roleclaim, although you're still more than welcome to try it.

[rpgdemon]

Also, if anyone's wondering, here's the link we weren't allowed to give.

http://piratepad.net/1bO75QsvHo

Bard even said we couldn't screenshot it, or copy/paste it.

[Mr.Bookworm]

Bard gave us a safelist, actually. I refrained from claiming yesterday because I was kind of hoping that nobody would notice, because the alternative was claiming something that couldn't be confirmed.

But, yeah, the balance was whack.

[BahamutFlare]

Bard gave us a safelist, actually. I refrained from claiming yesterday because I was kind of hoping that nobody would notice, because the alternative was claiming something that couldn't be confirmed.

But, yeah, the balance was whack.

When did we get a safelist?

I'm never role-claiming again unless given the circumstances.

Also, town acted so scummy but alas they were confirmed. I felt like little deduction was used. Town had over half confirmed D2. Lynching unknowns for the rest of the game would've led to a victory for town. Town also had way too much power. Next mafia game, can we actually give reasons for lynching someone. Kerensky was super suspicious for joking way too much early game. It makes the game go off track which is what scum wants more than anything. He was helping scum in a way. So therefore I voted for him. Wasn't knee jerk. It had a reason. Nikose flipping a coin and giving no reason. Scummy. Aldurin saying marshmellow whatchamacallit instead of man which is easier. scummy. I guess being confirmed meant you could act as scummy as you wanted and brute force anything. Moogle had no information on anything and was almost lynched because he was not confirmed and if he was telling the truth, it wasn't a big power role anyway. Scummy. RPG was super aggressive towards greed without a real reason. Scummy. To town, being unconfirmed was scummy and that's what broke the game.

[Nikose Tyris]

Oh, no. Flipping a coin and acting generally scummy is part of my MO. That way you can never tell when I am scum, and when I'm just being silly.

[IHateMakingNames]

Nikose wasn't mafia?

That feigned ignorance Miller roleclaim screamed all sorts of bullshit.

I would have made you all lynch him immediately.

[Nikose Tyris]

"Made you all lynch him immediately"

"Shit that goes pretty much against the spirit of the game"

[IHateMakingNames]

Well, more correctly, I would have yelled at you all till you lynched him or me for constantly pressuring a lynch on Nikose. Which is the exact spirit of the game.

[Fenris]

Well, more correctly, I would have yelled at you all till you lynched him or me for constantly pressuring a lynch on Nikose. Which is the exact spirit of the game.

I thought the spirit of the game was mass roleclaims?

[Bard The 5th LW]

A -WATCHER- role, and a MILLER role at the same time? The fuck is the point of a watcher and a miller? And a one shot investigate ability, that only had a 6% chance of even targeting me?

The miller ruse was a distaction.

[Kerensky287]

Honestly, the miller thing was a big part of the reason I nightkilled Nikose. He was a scummy miller in a game with no PO.

Also? GRUDGE MATCH.

(Cripes I'm bad at this game.)

[Gregness]

Nah, just bad at being a Vig. =8^)

[Bard The 5th LW]

Anyways, have the roles and what was done with them!

Lawful Neutral was Princess Bubblegum, The Mayor. He had two votes as a sort of nerfed version of the mayor. If I had the fll set of players, then it would have been a lynch.

RPGdemon, Aldurin, and Geminex were the Marshmallow Boys, a three man mason group. No powers. In retrospect, I should have changed the playerset and had a 2 player mason group.

Kerensky was Finn, the Vig, as we all know. He died in a first and final stroke of success.

RO was Jake, the roleblocker. First night he hit BahamutFlare and saved Gregness. Second night he hit Bookie and saved Kerensky, but Ryanderman killed him.

Gregness was Tree Trunks and had a single get out of a lynch free card.

Nikose was the Duke of Nuts and could protect a single player from a lynch with his own life! He was also the miller as a means of misdirection. Kerensky didn't believe him! He was prepared to use his power to protect LN on D1 but nothing came of it. Originally he was going to be Cinnamon Bun, who was vanilla, but I decided to make him the Duke on a whim.

Moogle was the Cosmic Owl. the Watcher. If I could go back, Id probably beef up his power more to watch who interacted with the player as well. He watched Gem N1 and Gem died and we all saw that, and he watched Bookie N2 but RO blocked him that night. I accidentally sent him the original version of the role at first, and that version of the role was Self Aligned with a condition. He would have chosen a player to "Guide" and be assigned to their faction, but I didnt feel like that fit with the shortened game so I went back and told him he was just Town.

Greed was Choose Goose, the merchant. N1 he gave LN the armor of Zeldaron which granted a single night of protection. Surprisingly, LN was not targeted! N2 he gave the Glasses of Nerdicon to Kerensky which scanned Ryanderman. It showed him as innocent but you guys unraveled the secret. His third item was the holopendant, which masoned a player with Princess Bubblegum. It was more of a placeholder. Furthermore, he could have masoned a mafiate with it on accident, although that is unlikely wit the lopsided roleclaims. Too much masoning this game!

BahamutFlare was the Ice King, Mafia don. He had authority over the kill. Got lynched!

Ryanderman was Godfather, protected him from investigation. Of all people, he got investigated but was ultimately lynched anyways. He had the crown after BF, but Bookie had to submit his kill for him in his absence.

IC was The Earl of Lemongrab, and he could lock a player in the dungeon overnight to prevent them from taking an action. Got lynched when he made a bad roleclaim! This is why I regret not giving them the safelist from the start!

Bookie was the Fight King, and he could submit a single abduction alongside the kill. When a player is abducted, only scum would know what their role was. He targeted Kerensky N2, but got roleblocked. Took Kerensky down with him on the last night.

On the whole, I was hoping for more players! Roleclaims were too easy and I made some mistakes and bluh. Hopefully future games can learn from the mistakes made here!

[Gregness]

See, town wasn't even particularly strong in this setup since there was no cop and no doctor, and especially with a four-man mafia for 14 total players this really shoulda been closer than it was.

Though, I suppose a lot of that credit has to go to Revolving Ocelot being a total boss with the roleblocks. I certainly didn't have that much luck roleblocking in the MLP game.

[Bard The 5th LW]

The problem wasnt so mych the powers as it was the rather easy confirmability of some of them.

[Kerensky287]

MVP: Ocelot.

LVP: Me. Woohoo!

[Gregness]

Though, I'm curious mafia: Why target me N1 when you had Kerensky already claimed as a vig and LN as the mayor?

[Moogle0119]

My guess would be because they thought you were the game's BG even though there was none.

[Revising Ocelot]

Wait, people are accusing me of being the MVP?

Ugh damnit, that's scuppered my performance for the next three Mafia games now. Karmic balance and all that.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Well, more correctly, I would have yelled at you all till you lynched him or me for constantly pressuring a lynch on Nikose. Which is the exact spirit of the game.

Yeah I did that, and I got lynched. Seriously, the way Nikose claimed that was just, ugh.

[Geminex]

I've been discussing this with bard, a bit, and what he said above was basically the conclusion we came to. In terms of pure power, scum probably even had a bit of an advantage, given the lack of doctor and PO. What gave town an edge was the ease with which townies could be confirmed, via roleclaims and mason activity. Though I suppose the lack of a PO mitigated that somewhat.

Ultimately, I don't think the game was horribly imbalanced. Town had a good chance of winning, but they had to play things right.

Really, town got pretty lucky, in the end. There was quite a bit of bad reasoning that hit the right people, scum made a few bad claims. And RO is apparently a total boss when you give him a power role, cause if I remember correctly, he sealed scum's fate in MLP mafia as well.

Anyway, good game!